silly season,its started

[noggythenog]

Streetbudgie you misinterpret what i write.


I was trying to get the point across that bikers deserve treatment as much as everyone else, my use of spongers as an example was supposed to highlight this ie general wasters, smoking,drinking,taking drugs,never excercising & never ever working or paying in.


I wasnt trying to say that bikers deserve treatment more.but generally speaking i believe they are deserving.like as in generally speaking anyone who drives a suzuki wagon-r car has generally got to be treated with caution on the roads tegardless of whether michael schumacher has one.


What is really sad is that you feel the need to personally insult someone who youve never met, crossing the thin line between debate/argument & being insulting & because of that youve gone down in my estimation, not that i would expect you to care & to be fair why should you.


Most of my family still do or have worked in the emergency services or HM forces so i know fine well about the tragedy involved without you telling me about it.


I disagree with people not fitting or taking out the batterys on their smoke detectors, it's dangerous.but im not about to call them a dickhead as that probably wont help whatsoever.

[Streetbudgie]

So if you have family who work in emergency services why do you think it is ok to ride in a t shirt and shorts and not consider the consequences? Surely they have told you what happens?

You may say you are aware of the risks but perhaps your family can tell you about the other consequences, crying kids, distraught spouses, the lack of beds in hospitals, the list is endless.

I haven't crossed any line, choose to ride without proper protection and you are a selfish idiot.

I disagree with disabled smoke alarms, if I had my way they would be compulsory but that's not what this argument is about, it's about riding without the proper gear.

Don't be frightened to have an opinion and express it, I'm not.

[Chillum]

If you are going to start in on restricting services to people who deliberately put themselves in harms way - well, just about every sport out there can result in injuries at some point or other.

It's just not a realistic point of view.

[ponkster]

Thanks to  all that's good that we are entitled to choose to be an idiot and wear or not protective clothing - rather than be dictated to by medical professionals who 'know better' .


Mr Budgie - life is dangerous and I guess you're going to pop a valve one day if idiots doing stupid things presses your buttons - I too have scraped up my share of dead bikers in my life time to know that people are responsible for their own decisions - right or wrong!


stupid peoples bad decisions keep most emergency services in work - hospitals would be very empty places if they only treated conditions that the patient had no involvement in!

[Raymy]

And here was me thinking an englishmans home is his castle.

Stomp stomp stomp, get that alarm fitted or yer going to jail.

I had a screed written out but fuck it.

Budgie, you clearly want to rule with the old iron fist and that's your perogative. But as you state "if it keeps one person out of a&e then it should be compulsory" or words to that effect.

So going by that logic where you highlight someones idiocy in an earlier post where they suggest helmets for car drivers.

If it saves one life then it should be compulsory?
For instance, my brother died in a crash some years back, in what was supposedly a relatively safe vehicle. He landed on his roof. The nurse in the morgue said the killer blow was a strip of metal striking his temple.
A helmet may have saved his life. Thats a lost life that shattered my family for some years and still does. But a helmet could have saved all that grief and loss. Not looking for sympathy or 'owt just illustrating a point.
If its good for one then it has to be good for all and it should be law, no? Going by the logic.


Yes, nobody disagrees with the sensibility of wearing the gear and we all know we should. We also know we should test our alarms and eat the right food and smoke only fresh air and drink only water but how far are we taking it?
They are all selfish and at times mindless omissions but how far do we go?
Instead of discussing you are only seem to be engaging in bigotry and don't care about what anyone else wants because you've seen first hand the damage.
Me too. Personally,  away from bikes. Brother is career fire, I'm in fire enforcement (so lets talk smoke alarms and the requirments and social objectives attached if you like) ponkster up there is career fire also. We all know nurses (phwooars!!!!!)
We're adults, don't protect us. We take the risks and we contribute and we are involved.  No biker deserves the treatment more than a sick child, but we don't get the sympathy either. Nor should we. Bikes are dangerous in the wrong hands, and often even in the right hands.  And those hands will always be vulnerable.

Calling other people idiots is pretty shoddy to be fair,  and only because they differ in opinion or want to push your buttons.

Turns out it was another screed. Well there ye go.

Deep breaths Budgie. Deep breaths

[ponkster]

Well said -




















now I'm off to go train surfing in my flip flops

[jon]

How many whiplash victims would be prevented by compulsory neck braces in cars? How many broken bones would be prevented by compulsory harnesses when using stairs or ladders? How about compulsory heatproof mitts when boiling a kettle or compulsory steeltoecaps when gardening? Where do you draw the line in this stupid nanny state? All of these safety items are freely available so why not put on a 5 point race harness, fireproof suit, helmet and neck brace everytime you get in your car then , eh?

Fuck it, im off to walk under a ladder then run with scissors in my hand.

[Streetbudgie]

Thanks to  all that's good that we are entitled to choose to be an idiot and wear or not protective clothing - rather than be dictated to by medical professionals who 'know better' .


Mr Budgie - life is dangerous and I guess you're going to pop a valve one day if idiots doing stupid things presses your buttons - I too have scraped up my share of dead bikers in my life time to know that people are responsible for their own decisions - right or wrong!


stupid peoples bad decisions keep most emergency services in work - hospitals would be very empty places if they only treated conditions that the patient had no involvement in!

So the Emergency Services should all be grateful to idiots out there who ignore common sense and readily available safety equipment in the name of 'freedom of choice'

Ridiculous.

In case anyone thinks I'm a Medical Professional - I'm not, I am however a biker with common sense.

[Razgruff]

How many times how I typed this on here over the years 

I like riding lidless sometimes, totally different ride to when I dressed up like a super hero feeling invincible.

Helmets only stop penetrative injuries, they don't stop your brain flying around inside your skull becoming something similar to what you would get if you dropped a bowl of jelly on the floor.

As the famous quote by a A&E doctor goes about bikers in full leathers

"I like bikers, at least all the bits arrive in the same bag"

It's what's inside your helmet that with keep you alive, not what's wrapped your head and body

[Streetbudgie]

As ever the extreme examples have to come out - lets all wear helmets in cars, no dangerous sports et al.

This is about using your common sense to avoid serious injury and the consequences, not about freedom of choice to risk injury playing sport etc,

COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!

[Raymy]

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[Raymy]

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If it keeps one biker out of A&E then yes, protective clothing must be compulsory, it's subsidized anyway.
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If it keeps one driver out of the mortuary then yes, helmets must be made compulsory, its subsidised anyway.

Going by the logic.

You talk about extreme?
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[noggythenog]

As ever the extreme examples have to come out - lets all wear helmets in cars, no dangerous sports et al.

This is about using your common sense to avoid serious injury and the consequences, not about freedom of choice to risk injury playing sport etc,

COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!

I did use common sense, i assessed the risk at that time & off i went, it was uber early am bank holiday with nobody about,ive been in more danger on my mountain bike,i rode real slow, was probably about a 3 minute drive, i seen 3 cars during the trip & they were passing the garage as i was filling up.


Like i said i wont be doing it again, it was like trying a cigarette just to see what it was like & i hated it. But i did make a judgement.

[dBfazer600]

Common Sense in that case dictates that we do not get on bikes as it is inherently dangerous and is more so by the fact that most cagers are blind to their surroundings.
 
You have a right and choice to voice your point of view but under your own argument we should all be dictated to like the Chines
 
Daz

[Streetbudgie]

Helmets in cars are an extreme, yes,

Protective clothing on bikes is common sense.

I reserve the right to identify those that do not wear protective clothing when it is so readily and cheaply available as idiots.

[Raymy]

It appears that you reserved the right to call it to other posters as well.

Well done

[Raymy]

And by the way, its about 70 quid for decent protective trousers. That ain't cheap

[Razgruff]

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-balance-of-risk/

how many guys won't be hitting trees and hedges trying to get there knees down on corners,
 if they were wearing shorts 

[ponkster]

" Truth is Subjectivity."

[Ian-man]

Well budgie, you are entitled to your opinion and that's fine. But other people are entitled to a different opinion and that doesn't make them idiots or selfish.
I am sure there are plenty people that work in the NHS that see terrible things that still smoke, drink and eat too much.

Only a person who has never been fat or smoked can be so condescending to people who struggle with these issues. I don't know of any fat people who don't wish to be thin.

Everyone at some point makes decisions in life that can have bad consequences. I am sure at some point in your life this will happen to you. Hopefully you won't get told your a selfish twonk that doesn't deserve attention when you do.

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[JoeRock]

And by the way, its about 70 quid for decent protective trousers. That ain't cheap

Minimum! But that said, personally I value the skin on my body at a fair bit more than £70!

[Raymy]

If you got it go for it. I paid that for my textile ones second hand. It still aint cheap.

[Streetbudgie]

Well budgie, you are entitled to your opinion and that's fine. But other people are entitled to a different opinion and that doesn't make them idiots or selfish.
I am sure there are plenty people that work in the NHS that see terrible things that still smoke, drink and eat too much.

Only a person who has never been fat or smoked can be so condescending to people who struggle with these issues. I don't know of any fat people who don't wish to be thin.

Everyone at some point makes decisions in life that can have bad consequences. I am sure at some point in your life this will happen to you. Hopefully you won't get told your a selfish twonk that doesn't deserve attention when you do.

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First of all show me exactly where I have said anyone does not deserve treatment - because I haven't, Read through the fucking thread before throwing comments out.

Second of all it's one thing to call people idiots for ignoring common sense but wishing bad stuff on people fro expressing an opinion is just sick.

[Streetbudgie]

If you got it go for it. I paid that for my textile ones second hand. It still aint cheap.

How much would you pay for a pair of Levis?

Hein Gericke start CE approved textile trousers at £59 I reckon the skin on my legs is worth all of that and more.

[Raymy]

I'd pay 20 quid for levi like I would any other denims. Except those that have the proper kevlar stuff but they still ain't cheap. Is 70 quid something to be sniffed at nowadays?
It appears I might still be stuck in 1995 where 70 notes was actually considered a lot of money.