BT023 Vs PR3

[Tmation]

What does it matter what peoples opinions are now you have bought them 


BT30 is the latest sport touring and are supposed to be excellent, they even have Valentino in the advert  .


I have just put some Dunlop Roadsmart 2's on my Gen 1 and very happy so far (my Roadsmart 1's lasted nearly 7000 miles for rear)

[Hedgetrimmer]

The PR2 has been the best I've fitted on the Thou.  Nearly 7000 miles out of a pair and consistent grip/steering right to the end. 

Maybe not the ultimate in wet weather grip (if you believe the marketing hype about the latest generation of tyres) but available cheaper now.

Funny, I find PR2s great in the wet, barely have to change the way I ride. I think some of this good tyre thing is psychological - if you believe in the tyres you're on, you'll get on with them better. Same thing works for riding in general. If you're confident in your abilities, you'll be able to go faster/corner harder etc.

[Looney tune]

What does it matter what peoples opinions are now you have bought them   



Not a helluva lot, but this post was started last September and there are loads of new members on here since then who may have more to add to the pot for members in the future, or anyone else looking in for that matter 

BT30 is the latest sport touring and are supposed to be excellent, they even have Valentino in the advert  .


Shit, Ive not seen the advert yet. I love him so much I can't shite 

[PaulSmith]

I fitted T30s on Saterday and I had completly forgotten I had new tyres on within a couple of miles. Ok, it was ideal conditions, fresh rubber on warm roads and taking it (quite) handy as my missus was on the back, but I have never got used to new tyres that fast before.

[tomlinscote]

Jusr replaced my pilot road 1's with the 3's and am impressed so far, I'm no corner demon but have got nearer the edge with these than on any previous tyre. Tip in is more pronounced than the 1's but they were a little square so it could just be new tyre-itis but not gone out in the wet yet so only dry impressions so far.
 
Tomo

[sadlonelygit]

pirelli angels £160
good enough to go to Rome and back, and get the knee down after that.
imo most of the modern ST tyres are far better than any of us as riders for road use.
heard a few horror stories re:pr3's chunking up the rears

[stevierst]

My bro-in-law had a set of angel st's on his tuned up mille. He rides like a demon, and is hardly off the throttle, hence why the rear lasted him only 2k
Damn good tyres. I'm on a contimotion rear on the fz1, and I can  edge them out with loadsa grip! Modern st tyres are great, why would you buy full on sport rubber? :-\

[esetest]

 I upgraded from bt021 to bt023 st version , the improvement is amazing  , never tried the pr3 so couldn't compare , but would definitely    recommend the bto23 .

[bigfootpete]

Just ask at your tyre shop what the most popular tyre is - they'll tell you its the Pr3's - for good reason.
Bridgestones always have a problem with squaring off, you don't get that so much with the Michelins.

[AyJay]

BT023s really do change the feel of the bike as they wear and square off. The steering feels very slow and measured when they're new, 2000 miles in they feel neutral then the last 2000 you really have to hold the inside bar to prevent the bike flopping into the slow corners. Personally, I don't mind this because I can really chuck it on it's side when they're worn.


Still think they edge out the alternatives I've tried and they are very predictable in the wet. Which is pretty much the last 14 months of UK riding, if memory serves. Actually, I know for that for a fact. From April 21st last year, there were 96 days of rain in next hundred. I know because I'd just bought a new bike. Growl.


Isn't it bliss at the moment? I swear I've slowed down this week because it's been so nice. It's like being tickled by angels feeling the warm wind rushing through my air vents.

[pitternator]

have been running PR3 on my GS 1200 now since february, am on second rear in 5k miles( changed for the  june austria tour, so not fully worn out), front still about half worn after 5k..Basically all I can tell you is its the best wet weather tyre I have ever known since passing me test in 1976, period. On the GS I can corner hard in full confidance almost as fast as in the dry.An unbelievable tyre in poor conditions. Way way better even than the 023 which I do rate highly.In the dry its not as impressive as the 023 which have a very soft side  tread, but still enuff to scrape sidestand and pegs, which is all you can ask really.
Will be fitting them to fazer in due course , but am running some z6s to use them up( not as grippy as 023 but passable), still have a part worn set of 023 to use up then too...so its probably next year for that now.
But now all tyre sseem to have moved on yet again, so we is talking about " old" tyres ! 

[JZS 600]

T 30's getting a good write up in MCN

[stevierst]

I'm looking at T30's next. They look really good so far, promise of big mileage, and big grip!

[Grandma]

My bro-in-law had a set of angel st's on his tuned up mille. He rides like a demon, and is hardly off the throttle, hence why the rear lasted him only 2k
Damn good tyres. I'm on a contimotion rear on the fz1, and I can  edge them out with loadsa grip! Modern st tyres are great, why would you buy full on sport rubber? :-\

Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
[/size][/color]Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's [/font]

[JoeRock]

Had both on a couple bikes now - I prefer the dry grip on the 23s as with the PR3s if you're getting on a bit with a powerful bike you can feel the tyre flexing slightly - apparently its due to the water slits. That said, the PR3s are amazing in the wet, to the point where back on my Ninja 9 with Nissin 6 pots I had a few unintentional stoppies in the pouring rain. I also prefer the slightly more pointed shape of the Pilots, helps them tip into corners a bit quicker and feel a bit more stable.

The two I'll be going for next I think though will be the Pirelli Angel and the new dunlop road ones, can't remember the name but had them recommended to me by a few mates now as a ST tyre you can genuinely do track days on

[PaulSmith]

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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's

Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.

[JZS 600]

I've got a T30 on the front, total control!

[fireblake]

021's were truly dreadful. The pair I had wore very badly,  the front was diabolical.  023's are sublime.  I had a fantastic ride into work at 5 this morning in the peeing rain with no dramas. 

[stevierst]

+1 on the 021, hence why they superceded it quickly! Had a pair on my R1, and the front let go a few times
Got a set on my thundercat I bought yesterday, can't wait to get rid of them. I'll have a set of maxxis diamonds on it next, a very underrated tyre!

[sadlonelygit]

Angel st update
now done 6k (which for me is unheard of).
Still got 2.5mm on the rear and i can only get it to spin up if i provoke it above 7k rpm.
Front is at 3mm but has worn badly at part lean angles so feels horrible tipping in.
I know what tyres i'll be using on my track day!

[Grandma]

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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's

Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.

Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!

[AyJay]

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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's

Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.

Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!

Manufacturers don't stock pile tyres for years. They go hard and that would be a legal death warrant if anyone crashed on them.


Did you see the article in Bike a few months back about Avon. They said that even old models of tyres are updated with new compounds and technology over their lifetime, so even if BT021s are still being sold, chances are they are different and better than the ones we remember from 6-7 years ago.


I hope so. As everyone has said, they were not very good at all….

[PaulSmith]

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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's

Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.

Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!

Manufacturers don't stock pile tyres for years. They go hard and that would be a legal death warrant if anyone crashed on them.


Did you see the article in Bike a few months back about Avon. They said that even old models of tyres are updated with new compounds and technology over their lifetime, so even if BT021s are still being sold, chances are they are different and better than the ones we remember from 6-7 years ago.


I hope so. As everyone has said, they were not very good at all….

I think someone may have been mistaken. I don't doubt that the F8 came with BT 020, but that is the generic name for all Bridgestone Sport Touring tyres before the T30, and that might have been what the people you asked were answering.  Bridgestone stopped making BT021's before the F8 was invented, so Yamaha could not have bought any from them. Yes of course Avon, Bridgestone and the rest improve their products through out their life, but not after they stop making them.

[Grandma]

A friend has just bought a 750 VFR with new 021's on them & he has found the same without any prompting from  me as  I was interested to see what he thought as he is very experienced & he can't wait to change them only done 1500 miles

[JZS 600]

I'm about to get a T30 for the back and just bought a VFR 1200 with Dunlops on.


I'll probably be changing to T30's on the viffer as the Dunlop on the back is near shagged at 2900 mls