Author Topic: Side stand switch does nothing (Read 5303 times)

unfazed · « **Reply #25 on:** 13 June 2019, 08:17:27 pm »

Which ones were joined together?
Were the red/black and a black together as a pair of wires, if so it sounds like it had a meta alarm fitted and this pair of wire went to the Alarm active LED
The Black on the Side stand switch goes to a permanent earth and the light blue yellow goes to the Clutch switch and the ignition switch. when you turn on the ignition this earth is extended to the Ignitor.Check if one of the wires in you connector has an earth when the ignition is switch on and goes off when the ignition is switched off.
Set you meter to check for DC volts. Connect the red lead of the meter to the Battery positive, and check each wire in turn, when you get an earth you will get 12 volts. This is a permanent earth and mark it as so.
With the meter red lead still connected to the battery ,Turn the ignition one. Check the rest of the wire for and earth, when you find one hold it one and turn off the ignition switch if the meter goes to zero you have found the side stand extended earth.

Steve3351 · « **Reply #26 on:** 13 June 2019, 09:32:29 pm »

Thanks UNFAZED....but i don't think any of the wires were joined together...they were all blank..ie. went nowhere.
I will try the procedure u suggest all the same......

and report back

unfazed · « **Reply #27 on:** 13 June 2019, 10:33:45 pm »

Most likely when the alarm was being removed they connected the wire that normally goes to the side stand earth to a permanent earth to get it to run.
There must be two sets of two wires connected further in to the loom as you do not have all the wires for the alarm exposed.

Steve3351 · « **Reply #28 on:** 13 June 2019, 11:08:32 pm »

I will dig a bit further into the loom...but in which direction....?

unfazed · « **Reply #29 on:** 14 June 2019, 12:07:49 am »

Follow the wires you have exposed at present

Steve3351 · « **Reply #30 on:** 14 June 2019, 12:18:40 pm »

OK when i dig i find a red/black and a black one not connected to loom...so discard.
Am left with six wires.....five blanked off and one connected into loom....
checked for live and earth and here's the result....make any sense...?

Steve3351 · « **Reply #31 on:** 14 June 2019, 01:17:38 pm »

PS...Previous pic with sidestand down...this one with sidestand up... $:\$

unfazed · « **Reply #32 on:** 14 June 2019, 03:55:46 pm »

I'm presuming L is live (12v) and E is earth???

Steve3351 · « **Reply #33 on:** 14 June 2019, 04:06:42 pm »

Yes....and it looks like it makes no difference if sidestand is up or down.....?

unfazed · « **Reply #34 on:** 14 June 2019, 04:42:54 pm »

I presume the blue plug under the side cover was connected

The black wires with the yellow marks are the standard loom wires.
On the black plug socket in you pics there is a an NR number on the wire what is the number and are there any other NR numbers on the wires or a colour band?

Steve3351 · « **Reply #35 on:** 14 June 2019, 05:15:46 pm »

Yes the blue connector is plugged in...the black connector is actually a 15a fuse...one of the wires going to it is marked 6NR...the other wire didn't go anywhere so i cut it out. All the black wires have similar yellow bands but no numbers or other markings...

Steve3351 · « **Reply #36 on:** 14 June 2019, 05:37:20 pm »

So i check to see if i have continuity between the black side of the sidestand (blue) connector and any of the black wire i have exposed...and indeed i do...on Nos. 5 & 6....confusing....???

unfazed · « **Reply #37 on:** 14 June 2019, 06:02:52 pm »

Quote from: Steve3351 on 14 June 2019, 05:15:46 pm

Yes the blue connector is plugged in...the black connector is actually a 15a fuse...one of the wires going to it is marked 6NR...the other wire didn't go anywhere so i cut it out. All the black wires have similar yellow bands but no numbers or other markings...

That wire on a meta alarm is never connected on the Fazer as it is for Magneto ignition type bikes, which the Fazer most definitely is not.

Quote from: Steve3351 on 14 June 2019, 05:37:20 pm

So i check to see if i have continuity between the black side of the sidestand (blue) connector and any of the black wire i have exposed...and indeed i do...on Nos. 5 & 6....confusing....???

That would be correct as the black wire in the side stand blue connector goes directly to a permanent earth in the loom
You will need to delve further into the loom to find the extra connections

Steve3351 · « **Reply #38 on:** 14 June 2019, 06:43:00 pm »

HHHhhmmmm.....
I cut back a bit more into the loom but I don't see any connections...I'm now into the original loom so I assume that it's all as originally made up.
Where i got the six black loose wire the loom had obviously been opened...my 1 - 5 black wires just come out and are cut off, the sixth is a spur from a wire running to the back of the bike...I'm rightly confused now...

unfazed · « **Reply #39 on:** 14 June 2019, 07:57:53 pm »

Can you put up a picture of the wire spur?

Steve3351 · « **Reply #40 on:** 14 June 2019, 08:32:27 pm »

U can see it on previous pic...6 wires.jpg....

unfazed · « **Reply #41 on:** 14 June 2019, 08:35:40 pm »

~~Check the wire for earth or 12v, ignition on and off. Then do the same turning the indicators on and off.~~Just checked you pic and that is the permanent earth.

Steve3351 · « **Reply #42 on:** 14 June 2019, 08:53:30 pm »

Yes...any suggestions as to how to proceed...or have u had enuf ...???!!!!

His Dudeness · « **Reply #43 on:** 14 June 2019, 09:28:57 pm »

unfazed · « **Reply #44 on:** 14 June 2019, 10:31:35 pm »

Quote from: His Dudeness on 14 June 2019, 09:28:57 pm

At the risk of confusing him more can I throw my tuppence worth in? I think this is right but tell me if I’m wrong. There should be 9 black wires but he only needs to identify four of them to make the bike run? He needs the ground from the side stand, and that joins back to the Ignitor. And he needs the ground when the starter switch is pressed, and that joins to the cut-off relay. That’s all he needs.
With a continuity test. If he turns the ignition ON, he puts one probe of his meter in the side stand Blue/Yellow, then touches the other probe off each loose black wire. When the meter beeps turn the ignition off, if the beeping stops when the ignition is off that loose black wire is the switched ground from the side stand. If the beeping continues it’s the permanent ground so repeat the test until you find the black wire where the beeping stops when you turn the ignition off.

That side stand ground connects to a black wire in the 8 pin connector going to the Ignitor, so if he takes the 8 pin connector out of the Ignitor, touches a test probe to the pin with the black wire, touches the other test probe to the loose black wires, when the meter beeps that’s the wire going to the Ignitor. He should join the two loose black wires that he just identified together (side stand ground and black going to Ignitor).

The other two wires that he needs to join together are the ground from the starter switch and a black wire going to the cut-off relay. If he connects a probe to the blue/white wire coming from the starter switch and connects the other probe to the loose black wires one loose black wire should beep. That’s the switched ground from the starter switch.

Next connect a test probe to the black wire at the cut –off relay and the other probe to the loose black wires, one of them should beep. Join the two loose black wires that you identified together. (Ground from the starter switch and the black wire going to the cut-off relay)

That should be all he needs to join. The rest don't effect the bike starting or running. (I think )
I was looking at the wiring diagram in that manual http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=4

Yes and no, You are correct in saying only 4 wires are used by the alarm imobiliser section. however we only need to find two wires, since starter operates there is no need to worry about it which rules out 2 of the 4..
The pair of wires we need are the the pair connected for the Ignitor earth.
Unfortunately the Ignitor has 2 earths one permanent and one via the side stand.
The issue really is that the wire from the sidestand switch goes through the Ignition switch and from there back to the Ignitor as a black wire. (via the loop plug which in this case has been removed)
This make is more difficult if someone is not to familiar with using a meter as they risk the possibility of damaging the ignitor.
Hence the reason for asking to check for the earths with a voltmeter.The other problem is the earth wires and the Yamaha loom alarm wires are the same colour. Black with a yellowish dot at intervals

unfazed · « **Reply #45 on:** 14 June 2019, 10:39:34 pm »

Quote from: Steve3351 on 14 June 2019, 08:53:30 pm

Yes...any suggestions as to how to proceed...or have u had enuf ...???!!!!

Your spare time and necessity to use the bike is what is important because we can if you are willing dismantle the loom further as you need to check if there are any further signs of the loom being interfered with from under the seat to under the left Side panel below the large starter cut out relay box.

Steve3351 · « **Reply #46 on:** 14 June 2019, 10:47:31 pm »

Hi DUDE...thanks for yer imput...as u see UNFAZED has been attempting to talk me through the process of tracking down this sidestand switch issue....I'm going to have another look at it tomoro...if UNFAZED will be kind enuf to give me instructions.....I'm happy enuf about using the multimeter....thanks to u both for the help

Steve3351 · « **Reply #47 on:** 14 June 2019, 10:51:17 pm »

missed the last message....there is no sign of any further interference with the wiring in the loom behind the blue connector, all looks tightly taped up as original...will post a pic tomoro...thanks again

darrsi · « **Reply #48 on:** 15 June 2019, 07:21:44 am »

Looks so much easier on tv when they're trying to disconnect a bomb

Steve3351 · « **Reply #49 on:** 15 June 2019, 12:35:10 pm »

Hi UNFAZED,,, DUDE thanks for yer time and input....this is getting too complicated...the bike is running and ive never had the sidestand switch working...
I do see some suspicious black wire going to what I assume is the cut off relay,,, i will post a pic later when i have a chance to see where that wire comes from....!!!