Jihad John gone

[pilninggas]

Whats needed is for all the peaceful muslims to rise up, kick the hate preachers out of the mosques and schools and say enough is enough, strangely they never do that, makes you wonder why.
The security services know who a lot of these people are already but their hands are tied because of so called human rights laws and the  do gooders who think it is acceptable to kill totally innocent people.

Bri has a point....skin colour or religion doesn't seem to have helped in Iraq or Syria....although allot is said about Shiite and sunni....seems to be the excuse behind allot of it.

I actually don't believe the rubbish that the majority of muslims and other minority groups involved are so against the evils...did they do a poll of every single person including thousands of illegals??... did they ask them......do you a love the uk...b hate the uk....or c....say you love the uk but secretly are plotting against it..........it's a completely made up statistic.as you say...what the foc are they doing about it...nothing.....they passively condone it by allowing it to continue amongst their ranks......they preach it behind closed doors to their families...the women don't get any say whatsoever so that's a big chunk of their populations opinions or views completely void before you even get to the blokes...kind of like the rest of us who moan about politicians all day long and then go and elect them....we have become a spineless population led by baffoons and we continue to sleepwalk straight into disaster.

+100%

[lew600fazer]

You state we should have freedom of speech then contradict yourself saying that every one should dress in western clothing
Would you walk into a predominantly black area and call everybody nigger?

No I would not walk into a predominantly black area and call everybody a nigger, but I defend my right to do so. But there in lies a problem perhaps we would create more understanding if there were no such things as predominantly Black , White or any other ethnic melting pot. In places like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc there is no such thing as free speech or even freedom of dress code. The west is far to tolerant but I think the goal posts may just have been moved last night.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

No I would not walk into a predominantly black area and call everybody a nigger, but I defend my right to do so.

 

Nice one Lew.

Aye there was poor DC standing in front of No.10 with his chest puffed oot - 'We've got Jihadi John' and I'm gonna milk this for all it is politically worth.  But then.......

Yes what has just happened in France is an absolute outrage.  It is absolutely disgusting.

luckily for us we have a smaller area to cover, the English channel and better intelligence

Yes being a small island has it's advantages.  It also reduces the chances of any of the small arms that we are happy to sell to pretty much anybody around the world slipping back onto our shores. 

But better intelligence?  I ain't so sure about that.  And certainly the French had the good sense to have nothing to do with the 2003 invasion of Iraq - why because they knew, indeed they were absolutely certain that our 'intelligence' was bull shit.  In fact most of the people in our intelligence services, at least the people that count, knew our intelligence was bull shit.

stand by everyone...not an if but when.......and it doesn't matter what you have or haven't done......if you aren't Islamic then you are a target....simple as that.

Absolutely, it's gonna happen again, and again.  And they don't give a shit who you are, not even being Islamic will save you.

But meanwhile,

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Total so far - 224,000

Recent events;

Recent Events Friday 13 November: 51 killed.  Baghdad: 32 by suicide bomber, IEDs and gunfire; 2 bodies.
 Sinjar: 10 executed.
 Baaj: 4 executed.
 Yusufiya: 2 by IED.
 Hibhib: 1 lawyer by gunfire.
 
 
 Thursday 12 November: 13 killed  Baghdad: 7 by IEDs, gunfire.
 Tuz Khurmato: 5 in clashes.
 Tuz: 1 doctor by gunfire.
 
 Wednesday 11 November: 109 killed  Mosul: 7 family members in coalition air strike; 60 executed.
 Baghdad: 7 by IEDs, gunfire; 1 body.
 Tal Afar: 7 in coalition air strikes; 1 executed.
 Hawija: 15 in Iraqi army air strikes.
 Albu Fahad: 5 family members in booby-trapped house.
 Shirqat: 1 by gunfire; 1 executed.
 Tarmiya: 2 by IED.
 Basra: 2 by gunfire.
 
 Tuesday 10 November: 19 killed  Baghdad: 16 by IEDs, gunfire; 1 body.
 Alexandria: 1 body.
 Al-Salam: 1 by IED.
 
 Monday 9 November: 25 killed.  Baghdad: 7 by IEDs; 1 body.
 Qayyarah: 11 by coalition air strikes.
 Mosul: 3 executed.
 Tarmiya: 2 by IED.
 Hibhib: 1 by IED.
 
 Sunday 8 November: 27 killed  Baghdad: 15 by IEDs, gunfire; 3 bodies.
 Mosul: 3 executed for theft.
 Hamam al-Alil: 3 doctors executed.
 Yusufiya: 1 by IED.
 Latifiya: 1 by gunfire.
 Wajihiya: 1 body.
 
 Saturday 7 November: 23 killed.  Baghdad: 8 by IEDs; 6 bodies.
 Tarmiya: 3 policemen by suicide bomber.
 Kara Tepe: 3 by IEDs.
 Mahmudiya: 2 by AED.
 Kirkuk: 1 body.

Just saying.

[pilninggas]

No I would not walk into a predominantly black area and call everybody a nigger, but I defend my right to do so.

 

Nice one Lew.

Aye there was poor DC standing in front of No.10 with his chest puffed oot - 'We've got Jihadi John' and I'm gonna milk this for all it is politically worth.  But then.......

Yes what has just happened in France is an absolute outrage.  It is absolutely disgusting.

luckily for us we have a smaller area to cover, the English channel and better intelligence

Yes being a small island has it's advantages.  It also reduces the chances of any of the small arms that we are happy to sell to pretty much anybody around the world slipping back onto our shores. 

But better intelligence?  I ain't so sure about that.  And certainly the French had the good sense to have nothing to do with the 2003 invasion of Iraq - why because they knew, indeed they were absolutely certain that our 'intelligence' was bull shit.  In fact most of the people in our intelligence services, at least the people that count, knew our intelligence was bull shit.

stand by everyone...not an if but when.......and it doesn't matter what you have or haven't done......if you aren't Islamic then you are a target....simple as that.

Absolutely, it's gonna happen again, and again.  And they don't give a shit who you are, not even being Islamic will save you.

But meanwhile,

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Total so far - 224,000

Recent events;

Recent Events Friday 13 November: 51 killed.  Baghdad: 32 by suicide bomber, IEDs and gunfire; 2 bodies.
 Sinjar: 10 executed.
 Baaj: 4 executed.
 Yusufiya: 2 by IED.
 Hibhib: 1 lawyer by gunfire.
 
 
 Thursday 12 November: 13 killed  Baghdad: 7 by IEDs, gunfire.
 Tuz Khurmato: 5 in clashes.
 Tuz: 1 doctor by gunfire.
 
 Wednesday 11 November: 109 killed  Mosul: 7 family members in coalition air strike; 60 executed.
 Baghdad: 7 by IEDs, gunfire; 1 body.
 Tal Afar: 7 in coalition air strikes; 1 executed.
 Hawija: 15 in Iraqi army air strikes.
 Albu Fahad: 5 family members in booby-trapped house.
 Shirqat: 1 by gunfire; 1 executed.
 Tarmiya: 2 by IED.
 Basra: 2 by gunfire.
 
 Tuesday 10 November: 19 killed  Baghdad: 16 by IEDs, gunfire; 1 body.
 Alexandria: 1 body.
 Al-Salam: 1 by IED.
 
 Monday 9 November: 25 killed.  Baghdad: 7 by IEDs; 1 body.
 Qayyarah: 11 by coalition air strikes.
 Mosul: 3 executed.
 Tarmiya: 2 by IED.
 Hibhib: 1 by IED.
 
 Sunday 8 November: 27 killed  Baghdad: 15 by IEDs, gunfire; 3 bodies.
 Mosul: 3 executed for theft.
 Hamam al-Alil: 3 doctors executed.
 Yusufiya: 1 by IED.
 Latifiya: 1 by gunfire.
 Wajihiya: 1 body.
 
 Saturday 7 November: 23 killed.  Baghdad: 8 by IEDs; 6 bodies.
 Tarmiya: 3 policemen by suicide bomber.
 Kara Tepe: 3 by IEDs.
 Mahmudiya: 2 by AED.
 Kirkuk: 1 body.

Just saying.

At no time was anyone with a shred of common sense convinced about the Iraq invasion - when experts like Hans Blick were saying no WMD, still Blair kept saying 45 minutes to attack us (actually Cyprus) - I never bought the lie, not once. I will never, ever for the life of me understand how Labour maintained a majority at the 2005 GE after what that lying scumbag did to the Iraqis and our troops. And Chilcott will only be establishment revisionism with Blair and cronies getting their tentacles into it.

[noggythenog]

Iraq is currently pretty fucked up as highlighted by your stats there vna...not a nice place to be......especially for the pussies supposed to be defending it who appear to just run away...i hope those kurds are better appreciated after it all for being the only ones to bother.....the others, .they live there & even they cant be bothered defending the shithole...clearly religion isnt providing them with a pair of balls whereby most of our combat infantry with barely a religious bone between them would ive no doubt put in a good effort if faced with such an invasion force...


But anyway maybe thats not fair as like you say we wrongly invaded iraq in the first place which i dont disagree with but it wasnt based on our intelligence sources being crap...you can lead the horse to water n all that...there was obviously a will at the time to manipulate information for desired outcome at the time.....i still stand by our intelligence services being supreme and i firmly believe that they have already thwarted multiple attacks in the UK whereby france seems less capable to do so.


Im pro millitary.......just as well those weapons we sell werent slipping back over here coz id be up for owning some of that serious hardware & eating into my bike fund to defend myself against these arseholes........ok the usa dont exactly have a good record at the moment with firearms but ive always thought there would need to be a god for anyone daft enough to invade them.....hillbillies, pensioners & general hoo yas everywhere & armed to the teeth & all backed up with a much looser but no less empowering sense of crazy godliness.....thats before they even encounter the millitary......at least they stand up for themselves.....and so where are the jihadis going.....europe...land of the gimps...easy pickings.


I dont pretend that our fine countrys interests abroad are innocent.......i understand we have "interests"....maybe we torture a few here and there........bit it pales into insignificance when you have a group routinely chopping off heads and raping children...thats a different realm altogether........and 1 less murdering rapist in this world can only be a good thing.

[fazersharp]

Noggy for PM --- no president of the world (I don't jest )

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Iraq is currently pretty fucked up as highlighted by your stats there vna...not a nice place to be.

Indeed, and it's 'our' mess.
As is Afghanistan, and Libya, not to mention Syria. 

On top of that our friends in the M.E. are the very people who created, nurtured, promoted and funded the Wahhabism movement around the globe. 

Further, Iran proved, some years ago, to many in the M.E that if you wish to be free of western tyranny then religious fanaticism is one way to go - it worked.  And do please note that, Iran, part of Bush's axis of evil, as far as I can remember has invaded no other country and shows no signs of wishing to do so.

The Turkish attitude/issue towards the Kurds is a major issue, and one reason why IS can possibly access Europe fairly easily.

Of course the Kurds know they are being used by the west.   But what choice have they got, but I rather doubt they see us as friends.   The Peshmerga are reasonably competent at times, but the real hard core fighters are within the KPP, unfortunately the UK and USA have listed them as a terrorist organisation. 

i still stand by our intelligence services being supreme

Full of extremely intelligent people dishing out incredibly dumb advice. 

Our foreign policy over the last few decades - well you'd have to try hard to come up with anything dumber - or more murderous.

And what foccing use anyway is an 'intelligence' service that is prepared to allow lunatic politicians to tell them what to put in their reports!  Doh.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

just as well those weapons we sell werent slipping back over here coz..........

DC has made it clear that economic considerations come before human rights.

That basically means selling arms to whoever wants em. 

[taylor]

they should have had him done up the wrong un, then tortured the fucking tosser, SCUM.

[lew600fazer]

Not defending Blair here but has to be said up to the 11th hour he tried to persuade Bush not to go into Iraq. Bush told him fuck you we will do it without you. I do not know what hold the USA has over the UK but we ended up going in. Wrongly in my opinion by the way.

[nickodemon]

This issue has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with race, religion or culture. Religion divides people and was created to make people behave and have a god who made them behave in a civilised manner, but now all religions hate each other, which has caused trouble all over the world. I may sound extreme, but i don't believe in religion as it was made to control the masses.

[slappy]

Totally agree, and when religion doesn' t do the job then in step the politicians.

[bri h]

I'm sure politicians and the ruling classes have used religion as tool to bend people to their will since the beginning of time. IS however have gone beyond this in the same way the nazis did.They have changed islam into an excuse to murder rape and destroy. The whole world regardless of religion or nationality need to unite and remove them from the face of the earth. Is on the other hand carry out these atrocities to get a rection that they can use to show the west are the bad guys. Having served in the Navy I'm against the use of extreme violence but in this case they should be treated like the cancer they are and removed.

[bri h]

Of course I should point out that dropping bombs on innocent people only helps the arms dealers.

[joebloggs]

I wish the press etc would stop using the term Islamic fundamentalist, terrorist etc all this does is enforce peoples oppinion's that all Muslims are bad people, sure they are culturally different, but is this really an issue.

A couple of years ago I went to Diwali in Leicester, my friends at work though I was mad to even consider going, although it was they who missed out. My girlfriend and I were treat like gods, people giving us treats and drinks or suggesting what to buy. We were almost carried by an excited crowd to the park where there were dancers, music and an amazing fireworks display, fantastic night out and at no time did we feel unwanted or uncomfortable.

[fazersharp]

I wish the press etc would stop using the term Islamic fundamentalist, terrorist etc all this does is enforce peoples oppinion's that all Muslims are bad people, sure they are culturally different, but is this really an issue.

A couple of years ago I went to Diwali in Leicester, my friends at work though I was mad to even consider going, although it was they who missed out. My girlfriend and I were treat like gods, people giving us treats and drinks or suggesting what to buy. We were almost carried by an excited crowd to the park where there were dancers, music and an amazing fireworks display, fantastic night out and at no time did we feel unwanted or uncomfortable.

Diwali is a HINDU FESTIVAL 

[joebloggs]

I wish the press etc would stop using the term Islamic fundamentalist, terrorist etc all this does is enforce peoples oppinion's that all Muslims are bad people, sure they are culturally different, but is this really an issue.

A couple of years ago I went to Diwali in Leicester, my friends at work though I was mad to even consider going, although it was they who missed out. My girlfriend and I were treat like gods, people giving us treats and drinks or suggesting what to buy. We were almost carried by an excited crowd to the park where there were dancers, music and an amazing fireworks display, fantastic night out and at no time did we feel unwanted or uncomfortable.

I know it's the Hindu festival of light, was just saying its time people embraced the cultural difference's instead of picking fault


Diwali is a HINDU FESTIVAL 

[Frosties]

I wish the press etc would stop using the term Islamic fundamentalist, terrorist etc all this does is enforce peoples oppinion's that all Muslims are bad people, sure they are culturally different, but is this really an issue.

A couple of years ago I went to Diwali in Leicester, my friends at work though I was mad to even consider going, although it was they who missed out. My girlfriend and I were treat like gods, people giving us treats and drinks or suggesting what to buy. We were almost carried by an excited crowd to the park where there were dancers, music and an amazing fireworks display, fantastic night out and at no time did we feel unwanted or uncomfortable.

I know it's the Hindu festival of light, was just saying its time people embraced the cultural difference's instead of picking fault


Diwali is a HINDU FESTIVAL 

Apart from Ramadam cos I'd feckin waste away.


 And a +1 for Noggy at No.10 

[Hedgetrimmer]

was just saying its time people embraced the cultural difference's instead of picking fault

Why? The more I see of "multiculturalism", the less I like it. Why should you be able to tell me to embrace it?

[slappy]

Ok then if we are to embrace multiculturism then when will all the muslims over here do so?
Take a trip through Bradford and see how much it is embraced there is some areas, some parts are now no go areas for a non muslim.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 That kinda reminds me of a revealing wee moment at work some years ago.

Back then I read The Glasgow Herald.  I turned the page and here was this picture of a Scottish Pakistani family standing in front of their highland house in full highland dress along with an article.  I have to say the picture brought a smile to my face - it looked somewhat unusual to say the least.

Anyway the story was of a Scottish Asian family who had lived in a highland village for a couple of generations or so.  At one village event - a wedding or something - one villager got talking to another.  The Asian villager confessed that he didn't always feel 100% comfortable at such events.  On enquiring why, the gentleman explained that well, they, the white Scottish villagers had their highland dress and traditions etc and all, and that though they were (the Asian family) always made to feel welcome at such events, it's just at times they felt a tiny wee bit like outsiders.  The other man was taken aback, and the conversation spread, and over a few days spread round the village.

The long and short of it was, that with the help and support of all in the village, our Scottish Asian family commissioned and registered their own family tartan, and hence the half page photo in my paper.

I held the paper up in the mess room at work "Check this out lads".  I was stunned by the response;

Fucking Pakkis!  Who the fuck do they think they are?  Send the fuckers back home etc etc.  A whole barrage of abuse.  Pure hatred. 

Ok then if we are to embrace multiculturism then when will all the muslims over here do so?

Integration works two ways.  You can only integrate if you are accepted.  So the answer to your question is racism slappy.

Whats needed is for all the peaceful muslims to rise up, kick the hate preachers out of the mosques and schools and say enough is enough, strangely they never do that, makes you wonder why.

And what is it that IS want?  They want us to turn on our Muslim brothers and sisters, they want us all, just like you, to blame the wider Muslim community for the actions of IS.  This is just the kind of racist crap that IS want to stir up.
 
 

[bri h]

The problem with blaming racism is there doesn't seem to be any Hindus or Sikhs blowing themselves up on busses.I saw an Imam on tv years ago after 9 11 saying not all Muslims were terrorists but all terrorists were Muslim.  Sad as it is he has a point.

[bri h]

The paradox is that IS feed of remarks like the one I just made and make it far more xenophobic than it is. The fact is the vast majority of us are intelligent enough not to be radicalised but as I've said before the caliphate they are trying to create is evil and has no place on this planet .

[Hedgetrimmer]

Integration works two ways.  You can only integrate if you are accepted.  So the answer to your question is racism slappy.

So, tell me how Scottish independence, and the kind of nationalistic talk that you and others seeking it spout, helps integration?


VNA, you "political animals" are all the same. You'll argue that black is white (if you'll excuse the pun), whether you believe in it or not. And then you'll spend ages trying to persuade yourselves you DO believe in it.


Just because one doesn't want what our politicians are peddling as multiculturalism, doesn't mean one is racist. What is multiculturalism anyway? Just because we allow the people of other countries to come and live in Britain, doesn't make it an integrated society. And it's not just muslims who build their own communities and keep themselves apart from the rest. I want Britain to have it's own strong culture, developed through thousands of years of history. I would like to see anyone that comes here and lives and works here accept that, along with it's rules and law. I don't want to see enclaves, such as have been mentioned, where I or anyone else can't go because we're not accepted by the alien culture that has taken root there. I don't want to see immigrants getting preferential treatment over people whose families originated here in the UK.


It's one thing to go on holiday abroad and sample another culture, or go to an Indian restaurant or whatever. And I've no problems with others coming here to do the same. But if they come to LIVE here, they should obey our laws, not introduce their own that clash with that; they should make their best effort to learn our language, as I'm sure you would do should you choose to live in another country.


And who decided that we should turn this country into a multicultural hodgepodge? I don't remember being asked to vote on it. Well, now perhaps we are beginning to pay the price for another poorly thought out idea, built on the back of liberal 'let's all be fwends together' hogwash, where we daren't speak our minds for fear of being called RACIST!!  , or some other pc knee-jerk reaction.


No, I'm no BNP supporter - I don't agree with their inflammatory talk. I don't want to see us completely cut ourselves off from Europe or the rest of the world, but this is Britain - I would like to see it stay that way.


And do you know what I really hate? Is the way these same liberal-thinking twats try to tell me I have to take the guilt of things our country has done in the past on my shoulders. Utter bollocks. Did I build the British Empire? Did I tell Blair to take us into war against Saddam Hussein? What could I have done about it? For fuck's sake, stop trying to surround yourself in cotton wool. This world will never be perfect while there are humans in it. Learn to deal with it, because you can't ever change human nature, and you're in for a world of disappointment if you think you can.


Aaaaand another thing! ISIS aren't the ones making us in the UK turn on one another. Our own politicians and pc brigade are managing that quite well without some mediaeval, barbaric towel-heads in Iraq and Syria to help us along. IS are just the latest tiresome war-makers in a long line (and yes, I agree that western policy in the Middle East is included in that line) throughout history that will continue while there are people on this planet. Seriously mate, you really think you'll ever get rid of war and conflict? Cloud cuckoo land.


Now, what the foc am I doing in a political thread?! *exits stage left*


Oh yeah....

[VNA - BMW Wank]

The problem with blaming racism is there doesn't seem to be any Hindus or Sikhs blowing themselves up on busses.I saw an Imam on tv years ago after 9 11 saying not all Muslims were terrorists but all terrorists were Muslim.  Sad as it is he has a point.

Are you trying to be funny?