the clarkson debate

[Hedgetrimmer]

How come there wasn't an outcry when he was going on about bikers near his home, he said " nothing a length of wire streched across the road won't solve" or was I the only person watching that program?

We know where you live Clarkson 

Chipping Norton - anyone want his address?     

[pitternator]

Nigger is just a colloquial of negro...is that racist ??..is Caucasian racist too..? Black is a color not a racist remark. Its all bullshit .People have been calling each other names for ever ...sticks and stones etc...

What is" racism" anyway ??....in the UK today too many people winge on about it when tbh theres more foreigners here than indigenous brits and most are doing quite well from it. Hardly downtrodden slaves....... We should be more concerned with starving poor people in the Uk than an off screen utterance from a burk like JC...

[Deefer666]

I thought that the word Nigger came from the dark skinned natives of the Niger delta, Hence the country Nigeria. So surely its a term used to describe a people from a certain area?

[richfzs]

In a similar vein, "stan" means "place of the". Afghanistan is where the Afghans come from, etc etc.

When I was a kid, we used to use the paki shop to get our sweets. We weren't being racist - we were possibly ignorant, for those good shopkeepers may well have been from India, but we meant no malice whatsoever. And surely that's where racism should be defined, when something is meant in a derogatory way?

Clarkson is, as others have said, a buffoon, there's much more important things to worry about!

[Fazafou]

I thought that the word Nigger came from the dark skinned natives of the Niger delta, Hence the country Nigeria. So surely its a term used to describe a people from a certain area?

The term was used as a derogatory name that whites called the black slaves, and its this link that is the controversial bit.

[Millietant]

I met Clarkson at the Nuburgring when he did the S Type Jaguar piece and if I remember correctly, in a quiet moment away from the camera's and talking to a group of us who were there on bikes, he's a bit of a closet biker himself - I think he even owned up to having a RD250 when he was young.


Like someone else said, his TV persona is an act. In real life and away from the camera's, he seems like an ordinary bloke - in fact, when we standing alone, by the Jag, smoking, between some filming, he seemed as lonely and out of place as any normal person might be in the same situation and he seemed genuinely glad when we spoke to him.


We also got to do some messing with them when they were out in the public sessions, which was fun (but man, was he slow in that car).


Back on the PC/racism topic, some of our closest friends are of Indian descent, and I have aMalaysian brother in law, Honduran and Chinese sisters in law, a very close group Mexican friends and one of my oldest friends is from Ghana. Yet, when we're together we always have jokes about ethnicity, every way and it's all done and taken in the fun manner in which is was meant - friendly and with no intent to "abuse".


In my, not so humble, opinion, racism CANNOT be identified by the words a person uses - only by the manner and intent in which they are used - and RACISM works both ways. When was the last time we heard of a White English person suffering from racial abuse, or suffering a "racist" (or hate-crime) attack ?


The PC community need to get real and let everyone get on with their lives.

[darrsi]

It's just the media being total wankers as usual.
One of the few British icons we have left and they're trying to bring him down just to make a profit.
Remember, that video was never meant for public release, so whoever the arsehole is that leaked it should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Whatever next, are they gonna persecute people for thinking things as well?

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Firstly I'm really not that interested.
What I do find more interesting are some of the comments in this thread.

I'll start with darrsi;

It's just the media being total wankers as usual.

Clarkson loves the media, he plays to them.

One of the few British icons we have left and they're trying to bring him down just to make a profit.

God help us if people consider Clarkson an icon, he's an embarrassment, as for profit - see above.

Now to the head post,

i was aware of her involvement with the paedophile exchange

I am not aware of Harriet Harman having any involvement in what I think you mean to be Paedophile Information Exchange  (PIE).  I do not think that is correct.

or their attempt to make photos of children legal

PIE would not have to make any such attempt.  There is nothing illegal about images of children.

racism i can live with, paedophilia is in 'bullet to the head' territory as far as i'm concerned.

Neither paedophilia or racism should be tolerated.

Pitternator,

Nigger is just a colloquial of negro...is that racist ??

Yes it is a racist term.  It is a 'white man's' term for a person of African descent, it is a word strongly associated, historically, with discrimination, slavery, torture right through to mass murder and genocide.

People have been calling each other names for ever ...sticks and stones etc...

Yes people have been manipulating language for thousands of years.  If you can control language, and you can use language to demonise others, then you can 'legitimately' descriminate right through to eliminating an entire section or race from society.  Do not underestimate the power of language. 

[bigralphie]

Bit like us
We can called each other Foccers but if someone else called you that while out shopping you would be offended 

[ogri48]

Clarkson is entertaining, as are his oppos, May and the hamster. The new series is too contrived, which is a shame, but it's still good telly. As entertainment goes, him and his antics are what you expect to get. If you don't like him, vote with your feet( or the telly remote at least), if you do, enjoy it for what it is, old school banter. The day will come when there will be none of that  left, until then I'll take it for the harmless entertainment that it us.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

If you don't like him, vote with your feet

Indeed I do.  It's pretty dumb, dull, stupid TV.  It's sad it's so popular.

[ogri48]

Ah well hey. I guess there's still a few pretty dumb, dull stupid people like me about. We can't all be clever, interesting and intelligent. How's that working out for you?

[rustyrider]

Nigger is just a colloquial of negro...is that racist ??

Yes it is a racist term.  It is a 'white man's' term for a person of African descent, it is a word strongly associated, historically, with discrimination, slavery, torture right through to mass murder and genocide.

Bollocks.  If that was the case it wouldn't be commonplace for people of African origin to refer to each of by the term.  It is only considered racist by the white pc brigade and not by those that it is supposed to be insulting to.  Neither of the two black guys I work with (one is Afro-Caribbean, the other from Ghana) consider it to be derogatory and will use it to describe each other.  But heaven help me if anyone overheard me use it.....

[VNA - BMW Wank]

I am Nobody's Nigger - Dean Atta,

DEAN ATTA - I AM NOBODY'S NIGGER

[noggythenog]

So Jeremy said something non pc in front of his team...his colleagues.....& then gets grassed up to the media.....so what happened to reporting him up the chain or having a word with him about it?.....no!...straight to the papers.....something smells fishy.




If we go on a rideout with an action cam & do illegal riding then we should accept that the footage may get us in trouble......but you wouldn't expect another foccer to give that footage to the police without some kind of argument or disagreement first.




So how are these shows orchestrated......do they just say right you may & hammond....make some shit up......or is it all rehearsed & planned?......either way the production company or the director or whoever should be taking a portion of the blame for this......when a ship sinks who usually takes responsibility...the captain.....even if the actions of the one of the crew were really at fault.

[midden]

I thought that the word Nigger came from the dark skinned natives of the Niger delta, Hence the country Nigeria. So surely its a term used to describe a people from a certain area?

I was told that too and thus makes it more in some ways offensive to non Nigerians. A bit like calling an Indian a Paki....

[lew600fazer]

I thought that the word Nigger came from the dark skinned natives of the Niger delta, Hence the country Nigeria. So surely its a term used to describe a people from a certain area?

I was told that too and thus makes it more in some ways offensive to non Nigerians. A bit like calling an Indian a Paki....

Or a Canadian a Yank

[Rikki]

Some people seem to exercise their God-given right (can I say that without offending atheists?) to take offence at anything and everything a little too easily.

Anyway, here's Chris Rock's views on the issue:

Chris Rock - When Can White People Say Niggah?

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Here's some typical historical uses of the word nigger;



Naggers:  Acting in a lazy and irresponsible manner.
 Niggerlipping: wetting the end of a cigarette while smoking it.
 Niggerlover:  Derogatory term aimed at Whites lacking in the necessary loathing of    Blacks.
 Nigger luck: Exceptionally, but undeserved good luck.
 Nigger-flicker:   A small knife or razor with one side heavily taped to preserve the user's fingers.
 Nigger heaven: Designated places, usually the balcony, where Blacks were forced to sit, for example, in an integrated movie theater or church.
 Nigger knocker: Axe handle or weapon made from an axe handle.
 Nigger rich: Deeply in debt but flamboyant.
 Nigger shooter: A slingshot.
 Nigger steak: A slice of liver or a cheap piece of meat.
 Nigger stick: Police officer's baton.
 Nigger tip: Leaving a small tip or no tip in a restaurant.
 Nigger in the woodpile: A concealed motive or unknown factor affecting a situation in an adverse way.
 Nigger work: Demeaning, menial tasks. 

Also when bringing up (white) children it was important that they understood that niggers were inferior and not desirable,

Ten Little Niggers;



Ten Little Nigger Boys went out to dine;
 One choked his little self, and then there were nine.
 Nine Little Nigger Boys sat up very late; one overslept, and then there were eight. Eight Little Nigger Boys traveling in Devon; one said he'd stay there, and then there were seven.
 Seven Little Nigger Boys chopping up sticks; one chopped himself in halves, and then there were six.
 Six Little Nigger Boys playing with a hive; a Bumblebee stung one, and then there were five.
 Five Little Nigger Boys going in for Law; one got in Chancery, and then there were four.
 Four Little Nigger Boys going out to Sea; A Red Herring swallowed one, and then there were three.
 Three Little Nigger Boys walking in the Zoo; the big Bear hugged one, and then there were two;
 Two Little Nigger Boys sitting in the Sun; one got frizzled up, and then there was one.
 One Little Nigger Boy living all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.


So, if you are white, or anything but black, unless it's Christmas Eve, between 04.30 - 4.49 .........  well best not to.

[lew600fazer]

Here's some typical historical uses of the word nigger;



Naggers:  Acting in a lazy and irresponsible manner.
 Niggerlipping: wetting the end of a cigarette while smoking it.
 Niggerlover:  Derogatory term aimed at Whites lacking in the necessary loathing of    Blacks.
 Nigger luck: Exceptionally, but undeserved good luck.
 Nigger-flicker:   A small knife or razor with one side heavily taped to preserve the user's fingers.
 Nigger heaven: Designated places, usually the balcony, where Blacks were forced to sit, for example, in an integrated movie theater or church.
 Nigger knocker: Axe handle or weapon made from an axe handle.
 Nigger rich: Deeply in debt but flamboyant.
 Nigger shooter: A slingshot.
 Nigger steak: A slice of liver or a cheap piece of meat.
 Nigger stick: Police officer's baton.
 Nigger tip: Leaving a small tip or no tip in a restaurant.
 Nigger in the woodpile: A concealed motive or unknown factor affecting a situation in an adverse way.
 Nigger work: Demeaning, menial tasks. 

Also when bringing up (white) children it was important that they understood that niggers were inferior and not desirable,

Ten Little Niggers;



Ten Little Nigger Boys went out to dine;
 One choked his little self, and then there were nine.
 Nine Little Nigger Boys sat up very late; one overslept, and then there were eight. Eight Little Nigger Boys traveling in Devon; one said he'd stay there, and then there were seven.
 Seven Little Nigger Boys chopping up sticks; one chopped himself in halves, and then there were six.
 Six Little Nigger Boys playing with a hive; a Bumblebee stung one, and then there were five.
 Five Little Nigger Boys going in for Law; one got in Chancery, and then there were four.
 Four Little Nigger Boys going out to Sea; A Red Herring swallowed one, and then there were three.
 Three Little Nigger Boys walking in the Zoo; the big Bear hugged one, and then there were two;
 Two Little Nigger Boys sitting in the Sun; one got frizzled up, and then there was one.
 One Little Nigger Boy living all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.


So, if you are white, or anything but black, unless it's Christmas Eve, between 04.30 - 4.49 .........  well best not to.

Sorry but think it is time you were invited to leave the forum, think you just went beyond the pail.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

I assume you are being sarcastic lew600fazer.

Anyway back to Clarkson.  I've seen the clip and don't really quite know what to make of it.  It's as if he is trying to be funny by trying not to say the n word, and sensibly he decides it doesn't work.

Whilst Clarkson is a bit of a moron, he's far from stupid, and no I don't think he's a racist.  Clarkson however does ken exactly why that word is off limits and hence his groveling apology for, umm, not having actually said it, or sounding as if he muttered it or whatever.

So no, I don't see a problem and have no idea why there is a big fuss.

[mtread]

'Video mysteriously leaked' ! Hmmm
It's another Set Up by the Clarkson notoriety/publicity department, and we're all falling for it.

[ChristoT]

So a balding fart has quoted a nursery rhyme in a clip that was never broadcast (until it was leaked). Why exactly do we give a shit?

[ogri48]

lol. im more concerned about the dosh from my bastid licence fee thats been wasted on some of the stuff from the last series (the supermarket sweep springs to mind)
 

[DekF]

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Sorry but think it is time you were invited to leave the forum, think you just went beyond the pail.
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It's pale not pail. Do you realise the irony in that statement.