The pathetic mods and attitudes at TV Licence Resistence Forum

[Fazerider]

Ah well, that didn't take long. Banned already.

in less than 5 hours?? what for?? lol

Admitting I own a TV, watching broadcast material, paying for a TV licence, not attaching the word scum every time I mentioned BBC and explaining that TV detector vans are real. Pretty inflammatory stuff... the only reason I lasted so long was "Sao Paulo", the site's top mod who wants no dissenting views on the site, was away for a while.
He blocked my IP address and threatened to contact my ISP... not sure what he'd complain about to them though, I was very polite. Now I'm at work I'd hoped to retrieve the bits of the thread I'd not saved at the time, but he's deleted all of it.

[Robbie8666]

lol!!
 
mate of mine just put on Facebook that after 11 years living on her own without a TV licence she just got done & fined £390
in her words not bad for 11 years!!
thats just under £36 per year for watching TV!!
 
not that i am advocating that in any way!! lol
(i might have that word wrong but think you undersatnd what i meant!)

[Fazer87]

 A license is a certificate of granted permission, not a verification of competancy to do something.

Very true *cough* bmw drivers! *cough*

[BennyBoy]

BMW Drivers and anyone who owns a taxi :P

[monkeyb0b]

Wow the folks on that site appear to be a level headed bunch of people ...


Also I thought you had to have a license to stream tv over the internet, whether it be live or on-demand? been a while since I read up about it

[Fazerider]

... I thought you had to have a license to stream tv over the internet, whether it be live or on-demand? been a while since I read up about it

Surprisingly that's not the case. So long as you don't watch (or record) programmes from any broadcaster as they are transmitted, then you don't need a TV licence.
So you can watch recorded material on-line, even BBC output on iPlayer. But now iPlayer also carries live broadcast material... for which you do, in theory, need a licence. The BBC will eventually need to find a way of fixing that loophole, maybe by linking a TV licence number to an IP address, as more and more people move to watching TV over their broadband connection.

[Phil TK]

The BBC will eventually need to find a way of fixing that loophole, maybe by linking a TV licence number to an IP address, as more and more people move to watching TV over their broadband connection.

Yes I would think so. I know some people don't like paying the license fee but one thing everyone in broadcasting would agree on is that adverts and programme sponsorship is a far from ideal way of funding programmes in this country. Neither is a license fee of course, but it is the lesser of two evils -for the time being at least.
 I for one despise advertising and rarely watch programmes interrupted by commercials, they are obtrusive and makes me wonder who owns the TV sitting in my living room, me or the advertisers?
And I notice that Utube is being ruined by damn adverts thesedays -far too many.

[locksmith]

Flipping the coin a moment.
I'm a fully paid up TV licence holder and fully expect the authorities should be hounding those who are avoiding paying.

You've got to admit that genuine non TV owners must be a minute percentage of the householders who claim they haven't got a TV!

A few years ago I had a TV delivered to my business address to take home. I did get a few letters from the TVL peeps but eventually they accepted it.

[Streetbudgie]

@ Locksmith - that's exactly the kind of crap we put with from the BBC/Capita but you wouldn't accept it from anyone else would you?
 
Do the various Water Authorities contact you to demand to know why you haven't got a fishing licence and threaten you with court action if you don't buy one - No and you would tell them to sling their hook (yes deliberate!) if they did.
 
Also you do not need a TV licence to own a TV set, you only need one of the TV is set up to receive live broadcasts, nothing else, iPlayer does not require one nor does any form of internet broadcaster.

[locksmith]

Not a good comparative example but they are not going to take me to court for simply not buying a fishing licence. If I was caught fishing without one then fair do's.

If you want to split hairs then I think you do need a licence for iplayer if watching live TV.

[Streetbudgie]

Does iPlayer play live TV? I thought the point of it was 'Catch Up TV' played at a later date than the original broadcast which BBC and Capita have admitted, lies outside of the TV licence remit.
 
I think your comparison still shows the mis-eductaion and brain washing that TVL produce, as you say, get caught fishing without a licence and you get fined, fair enough, but TVL don't do that, they pursue the innocent constantly with a barrage of ever more threatening letters, doorstep calls and demands to be given access to private property and homes as they 'need to check whether you need a licence or not' - even when you contact them and advise you do not need a licence.
 
What right has TVL to demand you contact them to tell them you do not need their product?
 
I do not have to tell the Police I don't need a gun licence or the DoT I don't need a hire & reward licence anymore than I don't have to tell Tampax I don't need to buy their tampons.
 
Clearly they think we are all liars and criminals and expect to be given access to all private property without question. This smacks of their belief that they are are all powerful and untouchable which is a very clear indication of the kind of attitude and arrogance the BBC has displayed towards it's most recent 'ring of paedophiles' scandal.
 
I would never let these bullying cheats near my home as there is a very well documented legal case where TVL were proved to have fabricated evidence that the legally licence free person was watching TV, this went to court, was proved beyond all doubt that the evidence was fabricated (basically a photoshopped image of the TV) and TVL lost and had to pay all court costs and amages to their victim.
 
Yet this did not call into question their practices or operation methods which remain as illegal and bullying as ever.
 
It is all about educating people with the facts regarding TV licencing not the lies that TVL spout.  I have even been told by a TVL salesman (they are not inspectors) that you must a TV Licence if you own a TV - absolute bollox, I could own 100 TV sets and if none of them are connected to a system to receive live broadcasts then I will never need a licence.

[locksmith]

I would never let these bullying cheats near my home as there is a very well
documented legal case where TVL were proved to have fabricated evidence that the
legally licence free person was watching TV, this went to court, was proved
beyond all doubt that the evidence was fabricated (basically a photoshopped
image of the TV) and TVL lost and had to pay all court costs and amages to their
victim.

If this is so then that is an outrage pure and simple.
 
I understand your point about the constant harassment.
 
But how else can they enforce it?  If you simply told them you had no TV's connected to an aerial in your household and they said OK we won't bother you again we'd all be doing it!
 
Yes iplayer has a watch live button. The first time you click on it a box pops up reminding you you need a license to watch it.