Bikers fighting back

[YamFazFan]

So what's your solution to the hardened career criminals to whom it's a way of life and where nothing works to stop the offending?.

"Ladies and Gentlemen. In my pocket I have a sealed envelope with 'Predictable Questions' written on it..."

Restorative Justice is, of course, not suitable for all cases. However for RJ to work in the first place, cases have to be passed over to it and there has to be sufficient funding for it to operate.

"Ladies and Gentlemen. In my pocket I have a sealed envelope with 'Predictable Answers' (or rather the lack of) written on it...."

[Grahamm]

"Ladies and Gentlemen. In my pocket I have a sealed envelope with 'Predictable Answers' (or rather the lack of) written on it...."

ITYM "Answers that address the topic instead of the straw man argument I tried to use..."

[YamFazFan]

"Ladies and Gentlemen. In my pocket I have a sealed envelope with 'Predictable Answers' (or rather the lack of) written on it...."

ITYM "Answers that address the topic instead of the straw man argument I tried to use..."

Yep a politician would be proud of that one Grahamm

[F4celess]

I had written a rant on this subject, however it's pointless sucking eggs.

People DON'T change! There's good reason behind the term "repeat offender". It's in their makeup, their brain is wired that (wrong) way... none of which can be changed! Given an opportunity where they believe they wont get caught... they'd go do it again. All vices the same, burglars, sex offenders, murderers, etc...

Plus the only reason they say they are stopping IS because they got caught... have been exposed... publicly branded.
Once the dust settles they go back to their "old habits" however try to cover their tracks even better, the next time round!...

Ironic, we are on a motorcycle forum discussing our pride and joy with a motorbike thief!... infact it gets better, he'd happily remove the contents of your house at the same time!   Great! ...sorry if I also caused offence to any sex offenders reading this too! 

[darrsi]

I had written a rant on this subject, however it's pointless sucking eggs.

People DON'T change! There's good reason behind the term "repeat offender". It's in their makeup, their brain is wired that (wrong) way... none of which can be changed! Given an opportunity where they believe they wont get caught... they'd go do it again. All vices the same, burglars, sex offenders, murderers, etc...

Plus the only reason they say they are stopping IS because they got caught... have been exposed... publicly branded.
Once the dust settles they go back to their "old habits" however try to cover their tracks even better, the next time round!...

Ironic, we are on a motorcycle forum discussing our pride and joy with a motorbike thief!... infact it gets better, he'd happily remove the contents of your house at the same time!   Great! ...sorry if I also caused offence to any sex offenders reading this too! 

Don’t hold back F4celess, just say what you mean fella.

[F4celess]

Don’t hold back F4celess, just say what you mean fella.

OK - will sum it up... People don't change. Better?

[steve 10562cc]

Beg to differ F4celess I changed after riding Suzukis for best part odd 30 years to Yamahas  for the last 16 years. One day I may totally loose the plot and buy a Harley

[Grahamm]

OK - will sum it up... People don't change. Better?

Fine, so let's just lock them up for life... no, wait, that's too expensive, let's just hang them insted.

Oh, just a moment, that was tried with the Bloody Code (see my link above) and that didn't work...

[darrsi]

Don’t hold back F4celess, just say what you mean fella.

OK - will sum it up... People don't change. Better?

 

[darrsi]

OK - will sum it up... People don't change. Better?

Fine, so let's just lock them up for life... no, wait, that's too expensive, let's just hang them insted.

Oh, just a moment, that was tried with the Bloody Code (see my link above) and that didn't work...

Obviously being hypothetical, how can hanging not work, name me one person who was hanged who committed a crime again? 

[Dudeofrude]

OK - will sum it up... People don't change. Better?

Fine, so let's just lock them up for life... no, wait, that's too expensive, let's just hang them insted.

Oh, just a moment, that was tried with the Bloody Code (see my link above) and that didn't work...

Obviously being hypothetical, how can hanging not work, name me one person who was hanged who committed a crime again? 

Cant argue with that Darrsi haha

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Ah well, was briefly an interesting discussion, but hey ho, here come the usual trolls and wind up merchants.

[darrsi]

Ah well, was briefly an interesting discussion, but hey ho, here come the usual trolls and wind up merchants.

You seriously have the audacity to accuse others of being wind up merchants??? 

[coffee]

I had written a rant on this subject, however it's pointless sucking eggs.

People DON'T change! There's good reason behind the term "repeat offender". It's in their makeup, their brain is wired that (wrong) way... none of which can be changed! Given an opportunity where they believe they wont get caught... they'd go do it again. All vices the same, burglars, sex offenders, murderers, etc...

Plus the only reason they say they are stopping IS because they got caught... have been exposed... publicly branded.
Once the dust settles they go back to their "old habits" however try to cover their tracks even better, the next time round!...

Ironic, we are on a motorcycle forum discussing our pride and joy with a motorbike thief!... infact it gets better, he'd happily remove the contents of your house at the same time!   Great! ...sorry if I also caused offence to any sex offenders reading this too! 

Everyones entitled to their own opinion,all I can say is I changed, if not stealing from people and causing their lives a misery is changing,are you sure youre as "clean"as youre making out ? or maybe a bit hypocritical ? sorry,Ive got to dash,I just noticed a bloke has left his car open,easy pickings!

[Dynspud]

Just goes to show you can't judge everyone by the same criteria.
I agree that some, if not most, bad-uns will never change now matter how many chances they get and do need locking away

But, like I said previously, we all make mistakes, even the best of us, whether driven by circumstance, environment, upbringing, peer pressure, or similar and should be entitled to a second chance.
Good on you Coffee.

[Grahamm]

Obviously being hypothetical, how can hanging not work, name me one person who was hanged who committed a crime again? 

Yawn. Is that the most intelligent comment you can come up with?

Ever read Judge Dredd in 2000AD? In that series, they created a parallel Earth with a character called Judge Death who reasoned that, since all crime was committed by living people, if they killed everyone, there would be no more crime...

[steve 10562cc]

If someone is convicted of being a serial killer or convicted of more than 1 murder then capital punishment would be a right and just sentence. The chances of wrongful conviction are now unlikely due to modern DNA methods, as I know from experience it is more likely that further charges of murder will be brought against convicted murders with the use of DNA  methods Again try using the freedom of information act to find out how many of those convicted of murder reoffend on release 2 how much it costs per week to keep serial killers and those convicted of more than 1 murder in prison you will be horrified. If you still think it's a wrong sentence then I sincerely hope it's not one of your family or friends that becomes there next victim maybe then you would look at it differently. 

[Dynspud]

I am all for a mandatory DNA database where a sample of everyone's DNA is on file.
A good deterrent for a lot of first time criminals I would imagine if your chances of getting caught are much higher.
Also help rule out innocent people too.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

I am all for a mandatory DNA database where a sample of everyone's DNA is on file.

Ooooo a despots dream.

[YamFazFan]

Ooooo a despots dream.

Isn't it just. That was my first thought.

[coffee]

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sorry about this,my laptop had a button come off and I was trying to fix it while on a post

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Isn't it just. That was my first thought.

That's weird - something we agree on

[darrsi]

Obviously being hypothetical, how can hanging not work, name me one person who was hanged who committed a crime again? 

Yawn. Is that the most intelligent comment you can come up with?

Ever read Judge Dredd in 2000AD? In that series, they created a parallel Earth with a character called Judge Death who reasoned that, since all crime was committed by living people, if they killed everyone, there would be no more crime...

You're quoting from a comic? 

[Grahamm]

You're quoting from a comic? 

Nice deflection.

I suggest you look up the word "satire".

Meanwhile, I see the discussion is taking a hard-right turn, so enjoy yourselves planning on turning the country into a fascist state...

[darrsi]

You're quoting from a comic? 

Nice deflection.

I suggest you look up the word "satire".

Meanwhile, I see the discussion is taking a hard-right turn, so enjoy yourselves planning on turning the country into a fascist state...

For the record i have no political connections with any party whatsoever, i can't stand any of them.