Ignition stuck on.. (flat battery)

[FuZzBoM]

All, here is an odd one for you.. I went out for a ride yesterday and when I got home put the bike in the garage as usual. Turned engine off and went in the house. This morning I go into the garage and see the green neutral light on??!! First make sure I hadn't left the keys in it by mistake... No Keys in sight. I think well maybe I had not fully turned off when key was taken out. go and get keys. Turn on, still light, turn off still light. move round to lock the bars and still light on!!
whilst in the steering is locked I press starter and I get a lumpy starter motor noise (no surprise as battery flat)
The only way I could get the light to go out was disconnect battery. stuck it on charge and did what I needed to do in the garage.
Anyway getting back to the bike I then put the leads back on and no neutral light.. put keys in on position and on ok. now keys in off position and now off. (also bike starts ok and stops ok on the key)

A little confused and tbh a little worried about leaving the bike anywhere if it does it again.
My thinking is that I MUST have turned off or the engine would have probably kept running when taking the keys out?!

51 plate thou by he way.

thanks,
Fuz

[red98]

now that is strange....a stab in the dark.....iginition switch....but i dont know why 

[FuZzBoM]

Thanks red, I thought the same thing to begin with. But then I thought why would disconnecting and reconnecting the battery rectify it? Does anyone know if the starter relay turning on in some way would cause such an issue? My thinking for this is that nothing else was working in this state. No lights, clocks, brake lights, Horn etc. Only thing that did work was a starter switch and the kill switch.
But for an extra I have just been out for a ride, had a few burgers at a mates bbq and then rode home. No hiccups and behaving as it should.
For now will keep an eye on it but if anyone has any suggestions feel free to let me know.

[red98]

mmmmm...that is strange,might be worth checking all the earths + connectors etc....if the burgers helped parhaps you just need to change your diet 

[robby boy]

Don't think it is the relay (it does not put light on, only puts power to starter when switch is pressed) could be something adrift it the switch and causing 2 contacts to touch thus putting light on.

[FuZzBoM]

Ok fair enough but I still do not see how disconnecting and reconnecting the battery would fix a dodgy switch.
Also the CDI unit was warm so must have been on for a while

[ghostbiker]

I hate electric stuff but I would be looking at my earth's
Or maybe a fried spider crawling in the ignition :P j/k

[FuZzBoM]

seems to be behaving itself today. I will check it out though. so far my investigation has been tapping/knocking things to see if I can recreate the problem so far no joy. will get the tan off and check connectors etc.

Out of interest, mine has always done something I think is a little odd.. With engine running if I turn the lights on all the lights on the clocks briefly come on and it then settles back to normal. It also does the same if I flick to high beam or hit the pass button. Anyone elses do that? mine always has but thought its a tad odd..

[Hedgetrimmer]

I'm another one who hates electrics. If it were me I'd look at earth connections as already suggested, pull all connectors and get the contact cleaner in there. Sometimes just breaking then reseating connectors will get rid of such problems on it's own, but might as well clean em up while you're there. Electrical problems can be weird...(used to work avionics on Puma helicopters - bad earths were a common cause of all kinds of weird and not-so-wonderful behaviour. Pulling and reseating black boxes also seemed to fix more faults than I care to remember).

[AdieR]

Without a wiring diagram, my thought is ignition switch or ignition cut-off relay, or a connector - water ingress is my thought (earth problems generally have different symptoms, but I wouldn't yet rule them out).

[The Male Whale]

Good dose of brake cleaner down the ignition barrel (put a rag under) will clean out the crap in there which has made it stick. And I mean a good dose.....


By crap I mean WD40 and such like..... NOT a good thing for locks


Once clean then lube it with some lock oil (it does exist) or failing that some light 3 in 1 type stuff.


Make sure you open the lock protector plate for both operations.


Also, pull the connectors under the left hand front fairing infill panel and clean then with contact cleaner and re-seat.


Normal service will be resumed.


Whale

[FuZzBoM]

Water ingress - I would be very surprised as it is garaged every night and last time it was washed was about 3 weeks ago. Been used many times since then as well.

I honestly do not think it is the ignition switch, when I had this issue nothing else was working. no headlights, brake lights or horn etc. only thing that did work was the starter button with he neutral light on.

I will give the connectors under the fairing a good seeing to though. cheers.

[FuZzBoM]

Right, taken off fairing inserts and cleaned every connector I can see with contact cleaner. I then did everything under the seat and then onto the connectors under side covers.
So far the fault has not come back. however I still get something I deem as a fault but no one has said if it is or not.. To help explain I took a video.


When ignition is turned on oil, temp etc lights all come on and then go off. ok I think I can understand that as a sort of self test when you turn the key. BUT I get the same thing when I put the lights on dipped beam and then onto main beam!? Not only this but it also turns all the LCD screens off for a second or 2 while it does this.
I am thinking a faulty earth if this is not normal operation. if not I will be having the clocks out tomorrow to investigate.

thanks,

[Falcon 269]

Take a look at this:

http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/eskortsbatteryvoltagefix.shtml

You might be suffering a voltage drop to the instrument cluster which spikes when you turn on the headlights.  Consider running a separate power supply to the instruments to overcome this issue.

[PaulSmith]

...
By crap I mean WD40 and such like..... NOT a good thing for locks
...that some light 3 in 1 type stuff.

What is it that makes WD40 crap and 3in1 better as far as locks are concerned? (Not arguing, just curious as I would have always that they were interchangable.)

[FuZzBoM]

WD40 also acts as a degreaser and I assume the lubricating effect will be short lived?
I often use WD40 to clean things or loosen stuck nuts/bolts etc.

[FuZzBoM]

Take a look at this:

http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/eskortsbatteryvoltagefix.shtml

You might be suffering a voltage drop to the instrument cluster which spikes when you turn on the headlights.  Consider running a separate power supply to the instruments to overcome this issue.

Hi Falcon, I already have a 30A relay on my bike switching power to the satnav feed. Do you think it would be ok to run power from this instead of wiring a 2nd relay to deal with this? (yes I know 30A is overkill for a satnav but i wanted to future proof myself if I added anything else)