Speed limit dual carriageway question?

[Bluecray]

I was on the A10 to cambridge, and there's quite a few T junctions on this road with speed cameras near the junctions.

We all know that dual carriageways with a barrier in the middle, speed limit is 70mph.

Going through the junctions I slowed to 60mph, but I am sure I didn't see any speed limit signs that or I missed them.

Question - what is the speed limit on a dual carriageway where theres T junctions????

Thanks.

[mcyoungy]

70, surely.

[mcyoungy]

Why did you slow to 60?

[Grahamm]

Question - what is the speed limit on a dual carriageway where theres T junctions????

Unless there's a sign showing a different limit it is, as you say, 70mph.

Of course that doesn't necessarily mean it's *safe* to do 70 there, what you need to ask yourself is "if someone came out of that junction could I stop in time?"

If the answer is "no" then by all means slow down until you're sure the junction is clear, then accelerate back to the limit.

[Bluecray]

Thanks, just felt 70mph flying past a T junction was unsafe, and wondered if there was a automatic speed limit at that point with a T junction. What i mean by that is for example where's theres street lighting then you know its 30mph.

[mickm6cmg]

Thanks, just felt 70mph flying past a T junction was unsafe, and wondered if there was a automatic speed limit at that point with a T junction. What i mean by that is for example where's theres street lighting then you know its 30mph.

Do you?There's 40's 50's 60's and 70's under street lights.Not forgetting 20's.

[GrahamB]

I was nicked for doing 68 on a dual carriageway 3 years ago. I was in my Vivaro van. No one told me I was only supposed to be doing 60. 

[mickm6cmg]

I was nicked for doing 68 on a dual carriageway 3 years ago. I was in my Vivaro van. No one told me I was only supposed to be doing 60. 

They must've turned the street lights on,that immediately made you 38mph over the limit.

[Grahamm]

I was in my Vivaro van. No one told me I was only supposed to be doing 60. 

Erm, Paragraph 123 of the Highway Code tells you...

[Grahamm]

Correction, that should be paragraph 124.

I'd edit my post, but we're still not allowed an edit button in here...

[pitternator]

Its  a quite little known vehicle speed limitation...especially as most of such vans can easily cruise at 80 or more. Also most car drivers think we are being assholes doing 50 in a 60 for no apparent reason.
However its something speed cameras cannot discern, so its only likely to be an issue if its a copper with a hand held gun,or a manned camera van.TBH in all my van driving history ( 42 yrs), I have never been stopped for doing over 50 in a 60...

[Captain Haddock]

One of the guys I work with got caught out in the company van, I think it's because it has a bulkhead fitted it makes it a different catagory and drops the limit by 10mph on 70's & 60's, our previous van was very similar but no such limitation.

[pitternator]

its the van type not the bulkhead me old fish....check out the vehicle categories on the link. Transits are classed as goods vehicles under 7.5 tons.Its daft I know, but its the law.
small vans like astra vans/ little peugeots etc are classed as car derived vans , so get the full speed limits.

[cable tie]

I got done in a van last year and it was a expensive learning curve after many years driving vans i was blind too about this however I had to sell the van merc vito sport because it was a pain in the ar5e driving at 50 single carriageways and 60 on dual carriageways, motorway speed stays the same 70, I was on the A64 near York 9:30am sat morn when they did me, some forces police it and some don't so really depends where you are I was going to contest it as the officer that stopped me did not no a great deal when I asked Q all he did was preach the highway code and show me the vosa sheet.

So this is what I learnt:
If your vehicle panel van has a Leiden weight shown in the v5 more than 2000kg than your restricted.

If the vehicle you have is a van with side window and bench seat factory fit ie vw transporter kombi than its not restricted unless the laiden weight is over 3500kg

Also vosa informed me if the vehicle is based on a car derived van stated in the v5 and/or the laiden as shown in the v5 is less than 2000 kg than its not limited so what I did is buy myself a Astra sportive van laiden weight is 1990 kg and states in the v5 car derived can.

Google it thousands get done by this law there's a web site devoted to it !!

[GrahamB]

I think the law was probably a fair one back in the days when vans were vans & cars were cars but these days??? My Vivaro is better than a lot of the cars I have owned in the engine & braking department so I found it a bit hard to swallow when I was done. Of course having attended a speed awareness course I am WELL AWARE of this law now but thanks for the link Grahamm.
 Funny how turning up to a speed awareness course on a Fireblade means you were obviously done for speeding on a bike. 

[Major Rant]

just felt 70mph flying past a T junction was unsafe,

Don't worry about it ... Its just a sign that you're old enough for your insurance premium to go down.
 
 

[pitternator]

dave
I do need my tranny as I have loads of tools/ mixers etc to carry all th etime , plus often carry blocks/sand etc.I usually only drive in 50 limits or lower...but do have to watch when I do go on motorway. My sat nav has clocked the trannie at 92 mph ! ( private road of course)...and 80 really dont feel that fast  either.So its easily capable of big speed without trying.
I have often thought of getting a smaller second cartype  van, but its hard to justify the extra insurance/ tax and servicing costs.

[Farjo]

You own your own private motorway

[james43]

I could be well off the mark as its more years than I care to remember since i had to pick up the Highway Code.


But I always thought a dual carriageway was 70 so long as it had a Barrier central reservation.


If not its a 60.


Thoughts.. am I right or just senile or could be a little from each column I guess.....

[mickm6cmg]

I could be well off the mark as its more years than I care to remember since i had to pick up the Highway Code.


But I always thought a dual carriageway was 70 so long as it had a Barrier central reservation.


If not its a 60.


Thoughts.. am I right or just senile or could be a little from each column I guess.....
It's NSL unless otherwise indicated by speed signs.

[badger]

could be well off the mark as its more years than I care to remember since i had to pick up the Highway Code.[/size]But I always thought a dual carriageway was 70 so long as it had a Barrier central reservation.If not its a 60.


If the  dual carriageway is sign posted with national speed limit signs then it is 70mph whether there is a barrier or not. [if you are in / on your car / bike. if you are towing in a minibus, van , lorry etc then it is 60mph.
Confusing if you have several different modes of transport !!!!!

[rustyrider]

It doesn't need to have a barrier, as long as it has a central reservation, it's 70 unless the signs say otherwise.  Same with 30 limits, if it has street lights and no signs to say otherwise, it's a 30mph zone.

As for the idea of lower limits by T junctions, that applies in some countries.  In Poland the speed limit on a single carriageway is 90kph except for 200m either side of a T junction or pedestrian crossing where it drops to 60kph.  So when you are clocked doing 99kph as you enter the 200m to a T junction zone, it costs you 100 Zloty (which at nearly 4 Zloty to the pound, I thought was quite a bargain, no points either!).

[Bluecray]

So I can fly past a T junction on a dual carriageway at 70mph, and not get flashed?????

[mcyoungy]

Yes, of course.