Riding distraction !!

[noggythenog]

 




Ha ha Mick that is ace 

[midden]

That so annoys me when other bikes in heavy traffic come past me really close and without any warning.   When I come up to another bike (even scooters) I tend to stay behind and if I get fed up and decide to pass I'll attempt to come into their mirror view for a minute or so then take the wide route passed them, even if it delays me a little.

[dazza]

 

[Grahamm]

I saw this written the other day that the Police say " when overtaking,don't use indicators or do lifesaver "  as these cause loss of concentration on the manouvre,you should already know what is behind you and are aware of others!!

I don't know who wrote that or where they got the idea from, but it's bullshit and dangerous bullshit at that.

The first phase of the IPSGA system is *INFORMATION*, not only taking it (ie checking mirrors and blindspots for vehicles which may have come up behind you) but also *giving* it, ie making sure that the vehicle in front and any others around you are aware that you are planning on overtaking.

If putting on an indicator or doing a lifesaver is going to cause you to lose concentration, you should reconsider whether you should be on a bike in the first place!

(Oh and Police Roadcraft says nothing of the sort anyway!)

[midden]

I saw this written the other day that the Police say " when overtaking,don't use indicators or do lifesaver "  as these cause loss of concentration on the manouvre,you should already know what is behind you and are aware of others!!

I don't know who wrote that or where they got the idea from, but it's bullshit and dangerous bullshit at that.

The first phase of the IPSGA system is *INFORMATION*, not only taking it (ie checking mirrors and blindspots for vehicles which may have come up behind you) but also *giving* it, ie making sure that the vehicle in front and any others around you are aware that you are planning on overtaking.

If putting on an indicator or doing a lifesaver is going to cause you to lose concentration, you should reconsider whether you should be on a bike in the first place!

(Oh and Police Roadcraft says nothing of the sort anyway!)

http://www.solent-advanced-motorcyclists.co.uk/riding-tips-mainmenu-46/98-less-is-more-.html

[Grahamm]

Found this which is possibly written by same copper.
http://www.solent-advanced-motorcyclists.co.uk/riding-tips-mainmenu-46/98-less-is-more-.html

Ok, that's weird, I thought I'd read through everything on our site, but I don't recall seeing that document before!!

I see what he's suggesting, but saying "You should look upon the need for a lifesaver or look-behind as a failure" (even though he does clarify what he means subsequently) is a bit iffy as it could be read as "don't do lifesavers".

I'd also point out that that article was probably written before 2002 because it says "Hence the DSA introducing a hazard perception test as part of the theory test in the near future" and that was introduced in 2002.

Yes, excessive Lifesavers are frowned upon now (when I did my Direct Access I was taught that when pulling away from eg traffic lights, you should do a Lifesaver to both sides because that dated from when bikes didn't have mirrors!) but there are times when a quick glance into the blindspot has saved me from a nasty coming together with a vehicle which has managed to get there without being observed.

[Simon.Pieman]

I saw this written the other day that the Police say " when overtaking,don't use indicators or do lifesaver "  as these cause loss of concentration on the manouvre,you should already know what is behind you and are aware of e]

I don't knowIwho wrote that or where they got the idea from, but it's bullshit and dangerous bullshit at that.

The first phase of the IPSGA system is *INFORMATION*, not only taking it (ie checking mirrors and blindspots for vehicles which may have come up behind you) but also *giving* it, ie making sure that the vehicle in front and any others around you are aware that you are planning on overtaking.

Just how on earth can you be sure that the vehicle in front is aware you are planning on overtaking? Surely you should ride as if the vehicles around you haven't seen you at all, let alone obligingly aware of what you intend to do next!
I don't know who IPSGA is, but it sounds like a bullshit system to me.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

It all depends on the situation.
There is no need for a 'lifesaver' every time you make a move.
But say joining a dual carriageway or motorway I just about always take a quick look across and behind me.
So no not big on the 'lifesaver' thing, never have been, waste of time if you already, 100% sure, know what's behind you.
Also when you are doing a lifesaver, you ain't looking where you are going, so keep em to a minimum.

[Grahamm]

The first phase of the IPSGA system is *INFORMATION*, not only taking it (ie checking mirrors and blindspots for vehicles which may have come up behind you) but also *giving* it, ie making sure that the vehicle in front and any others around you are aware that you are planning on overtaking.

Just how on earth can you be sure that the vehicle in front is aware you are planning on overtaking?

You can't, of course, be 100% sure, but there are ways you can *try* to make them aware by giving them information, such as headlamp flashes or a quick toot on the horn etc and you can look to see if they're checking their mirrors or moving over to help you pass.

Surely you should ride as if the vehicles around you haven't seen you at all, let alone obligingly aware of what you intend to do next!

You should take the actions and behaviour of other road users into account when you're making your Riding Plan (ie deciding what you're going to do next) or, indeed, whether what you're going to do next is safe. That's Information again.

I don't know who IPSGA is, but it sounds like a bullshit system to me.

IPSGA stands for Information, Position, Speed, Gear, Acceleration.

If you'd ever read Police Motorcycle Roadcraft or done any advanced training you'd have heard of it...