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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 06 April 2015, 01:38:41 pm »
main one i would think is warping....also with my head, i know the cams and other things are all ok, the head was essentially fine, until i touched the studs...  :rolleyes


But lets see what other things people suggest - there will be other reasons i suspect...

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 06 April 2015, 01:11:42 pm »
So, here we are.....left stud seems ok in terms of location....right one i drilled out - no idea why its so "off".....unless its normal, as i cannot see the remains of the old stud as if i had missed lots of it....strange...it might be normal....but i think as well its widened to the right hand side due to the position i had the drill in.....



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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 06 April 2015, 12:34:40 pm »
good point! All this pondering and i would forget something simple like that


cheers

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 06 April 2015, 11:50:40 am »
OK so i have contacted a local engineering firm and am awaiting a reply - will post some pictures of the current state the 2 snapped studs are in a little later....and hopefully at some point not too far off....the resolution! :lol

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 06 April 2015, 11:42:53 am »
Thanks Jules-C - that sounds like potentially the next best step - like you say new head could bring new issues...

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 06 April 2015, 09:15:12 am »
I am going to take the head to an engineers shop local to me - ideas are...


1. Get the holes drilled and tapped with a larger diameter if there is enough tolerance to line up with the exhaust clamps, depends on if i made too much of an error....


2. Rotate the clamps 90 degrees and drill 2 new holes for studs i.e. studs move left at the top and right at the bottom, i have seen some posts on the old site where someone did this and it seemed to work fine


3. buy a new head.....depending on the costs of the above, but i know mine has only done 18,000 miles so would like to save it....if possible....


would it be a good idea to do the timing chain whilst i have the head off?



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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 05 April 2015, 07:03:07 pm »
Enjoy the nice weather Beeblebrox2nd....i wish i could have gone out today! :)




Anyway.....at least the head is off and i can now easily either repair the snapped studs, else buy a new head, which is what im tending to think might be best,  i am sure i drilled one off center due to me trying the initial steps while the bike was in the frame and access was less than optimal...




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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 05 April 2015, 11:39:02 am »
Update, so i had the cylinder head of last night, was not that difficult, just needed some methodical steps...i.e. follow the service manual.....


Biggest thing was the prep, which took me all day - but worth it, had to tap the head with a rubber mallet a few times, was concerned i would not have clearance, but had no issues


I plan to put together a full description of what i have done and update the FIRST post at some point, but for  now i need to asses what to do with the head and if i can save these exhaust studs, i had 2 to remove, one i did a good job with, the second as you will see when i post i drilled off center....so might just need to get a new head, OR i have seen someone rotate the clamp and drill into the opposite parts of the head...


one thing is for sure, putting it back together will be fun - have to make sure i get nothing wrong, do not fancy having to deal with broken valves/pistons....sure i shall have some more threads relating to any issues i encounter, or should i keep it all in here?



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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 04 April 2015, 06:01:00 pm »
thanks....  :)


will not pretend to know what re-grinding the valves means - but before i re-assemble i shall make sure i have read up on what needs to be considered


i was thinking that if i am just going to put it back together i should not need to do too much else, aside from checking clearances and timing etc...




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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 04 April 2015, 05:47:56 pm »

OK so - ignoring advice, the reason i wanted to try and get the studs out was that i intend to order a new set of down pipes, and did not fancy having to drill their clamps out - in hind sight it might have been easier.....but its always 20/20


regards getting the extension bar - good idea, but i already have the head off now....and its a lot easier with it on a bench then lying on the floor in a cramped space


 i have much less experience than most on here, only had the bike about 3 months.....had no idea how an engine really worked until i started learning a few months back, so for me i am pleased i have taken it off and am making progress  :)














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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 04 April 2015, 03:57:30 pm »
Thanks


Have done some practice drills and taps on a block i had, went well....so no concerns there, got a kit from screw fix, not the best in the world but good enough and has M6x1.0 and M6x0.75 tap drill bits




http://www.screwfix.com/p/carbon-steel-tap-die-set-51-piece-set/11449


Have almost done getting the head off and out the bike, no way i could get my tapping tools in the space i had, might be possible for some but i decided against it..no matter what i did i could not get access with the tap bit and handles...


I have the week off work, and i knew the carbs potentially had blocked pilot jets so i figure i may as well just go for broke


Just undoing the cam shaft covers....only the one thing i am not sure of is do i need to disconnect ALL the cables in the cable box and move them so i have room, but i suspect once i have the head cover off and cams out i will be ok


Anutz

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 09:38:29 pm »
thanks Paulfzs...


So its going ok, i have worked up to 5m diameter and 10mm depth...


I have stopped as i need to know


1. How deep do i go, i have no orignal studs to compare to
2. What diameter do i drill to, so i can then tap


I know the tap pitch i use depends on the rods i have, they are M6 from Screwfix but i need to measure the pitch etc


Thanks for your help ( all...)





 :)

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 08:42:07 pm »
i shall get may hands on a tap set, and will set to work drilling and tapping at some point next week....


already have some M6 Stalin less Steel rod and Nuts




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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 05:21:57 pm »
OK so managed to wangle my way in with without the wheel having to come off, no luck with the stud extractor


SO im stuck now - either i mess around drilling it out and then tap it ( i have never done that, and have no kit i.w. tap and die )


Or i take the head off and take it to a shop to get sorted ( never taken the head off either but i can see disconnecting things might be easier than working on the bike as it is - on its center stand


Any other ideas or advice




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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 04:36:31 pm »
i wish i had listened to you Fazersharp...but i thought "i will be gentle...it will be ok....." it was not...i was not being rough with it, they just are so brittle!


Trying with a stud extractor kit now and then will give up and see about drilling it out completely.....


Paulfzs - its the 2nd cylinder so to the left of middle when sat on the bike.....just not enough room for my drill as wheel etc in the way


Can't stop laughing!


 :rollin






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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 03:43:59 pm »
yep i thought of that once i posted - so thats my next job :)....what a nightmare!

967
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 02:33:26 pm »
well, i tried to remove it and its sheared off flush with the head...


I don't think i can get to it to drill it properly....


What about taking the head off the engine......

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 10:34:08 am »
What about using these, similar items mentioned earlier in the thread...


http://www.screwfix.com/p/joint-connector-nuts-m6-x-17mm-pack-of-50/83521


Still need to drill the clamps...


In your pictures, you seem to have a screw on stud extender....is that what they are called?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 09:32:29 am »
Regardless of what i do - is this likely to be an MOT issue - assuming i either get them out and replaced or use some magic nuts, if its clamped properly etc...

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 09:06:09 am »
OK found them.....sleeve nuts.....


They look ok, do you need to drill the clamp holes?

YES


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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 09:01:23 am »
i think thats whats happened, i have just the "Nut" that snapped off in the socket - and its flush with the clamp - so fair bit left.....


Might take a look at these nuts before i try remove anything - and the rivet nuts seem a good idea


Have you got ebay links, i cannot seem to find those items?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....Snapped things....
« on: 03 April 2015, 08:03:41 am »
thanks all for the input - going to try the locked nuts method first, shall update soon...

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....
« on: 02 April 2015, 06:55:35 pm »
this may be a stupid idea, but here we go...


I have no welding kit...yet...


can i just screw 2 nuts on to the remaining thread and then use the inside one with my wrench to "unscrew" it, a little bit like how there is a lock nut and adjusting nut on the rear wheel axle....or is this a crap idea?






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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....
« on: 02 April 2015, 05:18:22 pm »

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Downpipe removal....
« on: 02 April 2015, 05:12:22 pm »
So i am getting some pics now, there is probably 1.5cm of stud have left....so hoping i can unscrew it?


The order a new one on ebay


So much for the nice weather!

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