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Title: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 13 July 2015, 08:30:31 PM
A little help please, I have just mot'd my 2001 gen 1 Fazer 1000. the guy said there is a problem with my headlights. I have mot'd it twice before with ne problem, nothing has changed, so I am confused.


the guy said only 1 light should be on, when on dipped beam. He also said the lights were dipping to wrong side.


anyone help with what should be happening on dip?


many thanks
harrness
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: slappy on 13 July 2015, 08:32:47 PM
Both lights should be on when on dipped beam.
If it is dipping to the wrong side is it an import?
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 13 July 2015, 08:34:59 PM
Both lights should be on when on dipped beam.
If it is dipping to the wrong side is it an import?


cheers for the quick response. no its not an import and has passed mot, without issues for years, is there a way to identify if the headlights are correct?
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: slappy on 13 July 2015, 08:39:15 PM
Both lights should be on when on dipped beam.
If it is dipping to the wrong side is it an import?


cheers for the quick response. no its not an import and has passed mot, without issues for years, is there a way to identify if the headlights are correct?

Don't  personally know how to tell if the lights are correct but hopefully someone else on here will
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: tomlinscote on 13 July 2015, 08:53:41 PM
Had my 2004 gen 1 from new and both lamps are on when on dipped beam. No problem so far with MOTs but next one is in august! I have always thought my beam just goes up and down rather than up and right ( and therefore down and left ) but maybe my eyesight is crap or I am always too close to the wall I am using? Never really use full beam on the road as not out much at proper night time on unlit roads.
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 13 July 2015, 09:12:44 PM
Had my 2004 gen 1 from new and both lamps are on when on dipped beam. No problem so far with MOTs but next one is in august! I have always thought my beam just goes up and down rather than up and right ( and therefore down and left ) but maybe my eyesight is crap or I am always too close to the wall I am using? Never really use full beam on the road as not out much at proper night time on unlit roads.
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could you have a look at the marking on your headlights please?  i would like to check if mine are correct.


i dont understand how my bike has passed previous mot's
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: sadlonelygit on 13 July 2015, 09:15:25 PM
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/homeorwork1/2012-10-16211924.jpg)

you can adjust the throw of the light however, but it's definately both dipped.............funny because last year she failed as only 1 was working!
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: characticus on 13 July 2015, 09:19:44 PM
2004 model both on. I've just checked the wiring diagram for 2001-2003 & the one for 2003 onwards. Bulbs are wired in parallel with no possibility to switch one off by itself. US model is the same too.
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: esetest on 13 July 2015, 09:35:22 PM
I have a 2002 Foxeye , both  lights are on when dipped and obviously brighter on high beam , did you use the same garage for previous MOT , perhaps try another garage .
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 13 July 2015, 09:36:16 PM
([url]http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/homeorwork1/2012-10-16211924.jpg[/url])

you can adjust the throw of the light however, but it's definately both dipped.............funny because last year she failed as only 1 was working!
is it easy to adjust the pattern?
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 13 July 2015, 09:37:41 PM
I have a 2002 Foxeye , both  lights are on when dipped and obviously brighter on high beam , did you use the same garage for previous MOT , perhaps try another garage .
i am in belfast, we have to use DVA centres, bloody jobs worth for some of them
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 13 July 2015, 09:40:59 PM
There is an E13 marked on both lights, some people on the web say this is on their uk bikes
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: tomlinscote on 13 July 2015, 09:56:30 PM
Will have a look at the lights tomorrow, Harness.

As to the MOT question, I used to have a 205 GTi with a big bore exhaust, passed its MOTs at the same place for three years then one year failed due to excess noise, I told the new guy it had passed before he said nothing but opened his MOT manual to a page which simply said "in the opinion of the examiner...." so we don't really have much chance do we!!
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: PieEater on 14 July 2015, 09:54:12 AM
As others have said both lights operate on dipped beam on this and many bikes so the tester doesn't know what they are talking about. I would ask to speak with their supervisor and explain that there has never been an issue previously with the throw of the lights and explain that whilst you are happy to adjust the beams you want to make sure that the tester is not mistaken about this as well, so you don't end up having to adjust them back again for next years test.

If you end up having to adjust them, both lights are adjusted independently so you need to be sure which one needs adjusting (if not both). There are 2 adjusters, top inner corner for horizontal adjustment and bottom outer corner for vertical adjustment. For the left hand beam, turning the top inner adjuster anti-clockwise moves the beam to the right and clockwise moves it to the left. For the right hand beam turning the top inner adjuster clockwise moves the beam to the right and anti-clockwise to the left.

Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: tomlinscote on 14 July 2015, 10:56:15 AM
Here are, as promised, the markings on the headlights....

02HC/RPL
02A  E13 (in a circle) 125
9914
STANLEY P1772

Each light has an arrow pointing left or right but the writing seems to be the same on each, I may have confused some of the letters etc as left my glasses at work!!

I agree with pieeater you can ask for a second opinion, it depends on how well you get on with the test centre as they can all say it was in the opinion of the tester as a catch all excuse.

Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: PieEater on 14 July 2015, 11:28:39 AM
Following from Tomlinscote I found this article that explains the markings - http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/codes/codes.html (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/codes/codes.html)

Between the first 2 lines of text on the lens you should have an arrow marking that indicates the throw of the lights. In front of the bike, looking at the markings the arrow should be pointing to the right, when you're sat on the bike the arrow (and beam throw) will be pointing to the left. If the arrow is pointing to the left as you look at it and the right when you're sat on the bike then you have lights designed for right hand road use. I don't think you can adjust right hand use lights for left hand use so if you do have these you'll need to replace them.

If you have the correct lights then the tester is an idiot and you really should ask to speak with his supervisor so they can make sure he is properly educated and doesn't continue to needlessly fail other bikes.
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: PaulSmith on 14 July 2015, 03:12:10 PM

MOT manuals are published online here: https://www.gov.uk/topic/mot/manuals (https://www.gov.uk/topic/mot/manuals)

Motorbikes are here:
MOT inspection manual for class 1 and 2 vehicles: http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m1i00000001.htm (http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m1i00000001.htm)


Lighting section: http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m1s01000201.htm (http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m1s01000201.htm)

Subsection text:
Quote
Twin headlamp systems:On twin headlamp systems only one or both headlamps may need to be illuminated for either dipped or main beam. Each headlamp that can be illuminated on dipped beam must meet the requirement for dipped beam headlamps. Twin headlamps must be mounted either one above the other or symmetrically without regard to any sidecar and not more than 200mm apart measured from the edge of the reflecting surface. The tester should advise if both headlights should illuminate for eitherfunction and only one does so.


So very clearly, two headlight setup are legal and normal. 
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: PaulSmith on 14 July 2015, 03:16:29 PM
Follow up:

From the same manual:
Reasons for rejection, 2.a) "does not have at least one headlamp which illuminates when selected on: (i)dipped beam"

Notice that it says "at least one" not "only one"!
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 14 July 2015, 03:41:20 PM
Thanks guys


the markings on mine are


02HC/RPL


02A E13 in circle 125


9913


Stanley
P1606


the arrow on the left light (standing in front of bike) points left (into oncoming traffic)


the arrow on the right points to the right (kerb side).


looks like mine is wrong, dont understand, I checked frame number with Yamaha UK, they say its a UK bike..


thinks its time for a beer or 2



Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: PieEater on 14 July 2015, 07:18:02 PM
First cross eyed Fazer I've heard of, the one on the left must have been replaced at some point with an incorrect part.
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: tomlinscote on 14 July 2015, 08:29:35 PM
Have a closer look at the lights, I just did on mine and the left hand light (clutch side) has two arrows one above the E13 marking and one to the side of it both pointing to the left But the right hand (throttle side) has the two arrows pointing in different directions one to the left and one to the right. I used a decent torch to see the markings.

As the shape of the lights is different I don't see that one of arrows tells the fitter which way to install them so why have two arrows in opposing directions????
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: PieEater on 14 July 2015, 09:56:32 PM
Have a closer look at the lights, I just did on mine and the left hand light (clutch side) has two arrows one above the E13 marking and one to the side of it both pointing to the left But the right hand (throttle side) has the two arrows pointing in different directions one to the left and one to the right.

Just double checked mine and I have exactly the same. I can only think that the top arrows refer to the dipped beam both pointing to the kerb and the bottom arrows refer to the main/high beam with the left pointing left and the right pointing right for maximum spread.
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: unfazed on 14 July 2015, 10:08:36 PM
What is the under seat code?
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 14 July 2015, 11:27:11 PM
What is the under seat code?
will check in morning
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 15 July 2015, 01:34:19 PM
code under seat is 5LV1 100
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: unfazed on 15 July 2015, 09:39:03 PM
code under seat is 5LV1 100

You have a Dutch import, (100 = Netherlands) which means the guy was correct in that the light most likely dip the wrong way, but incorrect in that all 2001 to 2005 FZS1000 models had 2 high beams and 2 dipped beams.

The cheapest way to fix it, is to find a broken headlight with the reflectors intact and swap them with yours. Not a big job just awkward.
The 600 foxeye headlights ones are exactly the same ( same part number), look for the headlights from either the FZS600 2002-2003 foxeye or 2001 to 2005  FZS1000 ones

Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: PaulSmith on 16 July 2015, 10:21:38 AM
If your tester was already provably wrong about the number of headlights you should have, and you have MOT certs for your bike from the past, you might be able to just bully him into passing you again. It would save you the cost and hassle of a whole new headlight assembly for what is no longer a young bike.
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 16 July 2015, 10:39:01 AM
If your tester was already provably wrong about the number of headlights you should have, and you have MOT certs for your bike from the past, you might be able to just bully him into passing you again. It would save you the cost and hassle of a whole new headlight assembly for what is no longer a young bike.
many thanks Paul, I will give it a go
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 16 July 2015, 10:40:25 AM
code under seat is 5LV1 100

You have a Dutch import, (100 = Netherlands) which means the guy was correct in that the light most likely dip the wrong way, but incorrect in that all 2001 to 2005 FZS1000 models had 2 high beams and 2 dipped beams.

The cheapest way to fix it, is to find a broken headlight with the reflectors intact and swap them with yours. Not a big job just awkward.
The 600 foxeye headlights ones are exactly the same ( same part number), look for the headlights from either the FZS600 2002-2003 foxeye or 2001 to 2005  FZS1000 ones
Many thanks
what would be the code for UK?
 
I will try what you suggest
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: unfazed on 16 July 2015, 11:08:06 AM
code under seat is 5LV1 100

You have a Dutch import, (100 = Netherlands) which means the guy was correct in that the light most likely dip the wrong way, but incorrect in that all 2001 to 2005 FZS1000 models had 2 high beams and 2 dipped beams.

The cheapest way to fix it, is to find a broken headlight with the reflectors intact and swap them with yours. Not a big job just awkward.
The 600 foxeye headlights ones are exactly the same ( same part number), look for the headlights from either the FZS600 2002-2003 foxeye or 2001 to 2005  FZS1000 ones
Many thanks
what would be the code for UK?
 
I will try what you suggest

080 is the UK code for the FZS1000
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 16 July 2015, 04:00:05 PM
code under seat is 5LV1 100


You have a Dutch import, (100 = Netherlands) which means the guy was correct in that the light most likely dip the wrong way, but incorrect in that all 2001 to 2005 FZS1000 models had 2 high beams and 2 dipped beams.

The cheapest way to fix it, is to find a broken headlight with the reflectors intact and swap them with yours. Not a big job just awkward.
The 600 foxeye headlights ones are exactly the same ( same part number), look for the headlights from either the FZS600 2002-2003 foxeye or 2001 to 2005  FZS1000 ones

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261965063146?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261965063146?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
would this be the correct model?
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: unfazed on 16 July 2015, 04:56:55 PM
No, that is fuel injected, it is the earlier carburettor model
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 18 July 2015, 09:46:39 AM
code under seat is 5LV1 100

You have a Dutch import, (100 = Netherlands) which means the guy was correct in that the light most likely dip the wrong way, but incorrect in that all 2001 to 2005 FZS1000 models had 2 high beams and 2 dipped beams.

The cheapest way to fix it, is to find a broken headlight with the reflectors intact and swap them with yours. Not a big job just awkward.
The 600 foxeye headlights ones are exactly the same ( same part number), look for the headlights from either the FZS600 2002-2003 foxeye or 2001 to 2005  FZS1000 ones


I bought a 600 foxeye set, how did you get the unit apart. there is a strong rubberised glue between the parts


help please.
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: unfazed on 18 July 2015, 10:01:05 AM
Is is a damaged unit you got? If it is intact you can just swap them
If it is you will need a heat gun to soften the glue. It should be hot enough for you to just about be able to hold. The two glass front are separate parts, do one at the time.

Some put in the oven to heat it but the heat gun is just as good.
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 18 July 2015, 11:52:12 AM
Is is a damaged unit you got? If it is intact you can just swap them
If it is you will need a heat gun to soften the glue. It should be hot enough for you to just about be able to hold. The two glass front are separate parts, do one at the time.

Some put in the oven to heat it but the heat gun is just as good.


great advice, heat gun did the trick, fantastic.


yes the one i got was damaged.


i have noticed 2 different bulbs in them, not sure if there is such a thing or different makers.


one is phillips h4 E1 in circle 2c3


the othere says Japan h4 E4 in circle 2bl


both are 12v 60/55w
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: unfazed on 18 July 2015, 01:23:25 PM
Just different makers, Japanese one is probably OEM and the Phillips was a replacement.

Setting the beams will be some fun.  :eek

Were you charged much for the headlight? Either way it is a cheaper fix than a new headlight, especially when you can do the job yourself and have a damaged one to practice on :)

Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: harrness on 18 July 2015, 02:15:21 PM
Just different makers, Japanese one is probably OEM and the Phillips was a replacement.

Setting the beams will be some fun.  :eek

Were you charged much for the headlight? Either way it is a cheaper fix than a new headlight, especially when you can do the job yourself and have a damaged one to practice on :)


£60 and it was local, think that was fair price.


i take it the setting is a pain, is there a best method?
Title: Re: Gen 1 Headlights, how many on dip?
Post by: unfazed on 18 July 2015, 03:22:13 PM
Measure the depts of both reflectors on your originals before removing them and then put in the new ones as close as you can to that.

I forgot to do that the first time I swapped reflectors, :rolleyes it just took a bit longer to get it right afterwards

Park on level ground on the centre stand facing a flat surface adjust the dipped beam to try and get the point of the angle up directly in front of each beam. Ensure both flat parts of the beam are the same height.
Put the bike behind a car, not and SUV, sit on it, the flat part of the beam should be just below the wing mirrors. If not adjust until it is and then take it for a spin to check if you think it is wrong redo it again or go back to your local MOT station and get them to do the final setting.