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Title: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 16 September 2013, 11:05:44 pm

After giving me FCE a week or so to get the feel of it, Had a great evening in the garage on me fz1 tonight....picked up a pc3 the other week for £132 on eBay. Tonight I modded me airbox, disconnected me O2 sensor and removed the secondary butterflies(heard some right horror stories about getting the screws out but a decent right sized driver and plenty of concentrated heat of me leister gun and it was a piece of piss) then fitted the pc3. Yesterday on the bay again I got a carbon bos slip on for £102, ( still want a yoshi but money is tight) hopefully it will be here tomorrow, just gotta de cat the manifold and de cable the exhaust valve before I fit it. Pc3 came of a bike with similar spec so it should be ok, but I'll get brew at BSD to do a custom map, hopefully it will be knocking on the door of 145-150 brake. Couldn't help but try it tonight with just the induction mods and power commander...lovely snarl under the tank and it finally is starting to feel like the flat barred r1 I wanted when I bought it...

I take back what I said about gen 2s being pricy to tune, it's a helluva bike.

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: Falcon 269 on 17 September 2013, 06:13:59 am

Nice one, mate.  :)

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: slimwilly on 17 September 2013, 06:30:52 am

Good going, are you leaving the secondries out? i just trimmed mine, also the O2 censor ,i just unplugged as suggested and left the cable off, seems to work a treat.


I did the same as you with the second hand pc3, it came with a custom map ,same bike, and i just left it in,,it seems bloody marvelous, i might get to trying other maps one day,,but there seems no need.


Good flying

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 17 September 2013, 08:13:49 am

Cheers guys. Yeah thought about trimming them but brew ( BSD engineering) said whip em out completely, and the bloke I bought the pc3 off had removed his completely too. Doesn't Bog or anything else adverse so seems ok. The induction roar alone was worthnit lol. Itching to take it out but gonna wait for the can. It's a lovely bike to work on innit? Put together like a Swiss watch. I do love yamahas build quality, and the fz1s minimalist approach. Whilst the gen 1 is easily the better all rounder, the fz1 has a purity of purpose and design I'm really coming to love.

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: stevierst on 17 September 2013, 09:03:04 am

I did the same with mine, but trimmed the flies to keep a bit more bottom end torque. The bike is an animal with the right map!
You don't have to go and get a custom map, you can simply download the map pack zip file from the fz1oa site. I've had some good fun playing with the maps, and got about 7 on my juicebox pro that all have slightly different characteristics.

It'll certainly save you a few hundred £, and you can say "i did that" ! Just watch your licence after you've done it :))

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: stevierst on 17 September 2013, 09:32:45 am

I've found a link to getting the map pack if anyone is interested.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/f61307ab86fh8qy/FZ_1_Map_Pack.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/download/f61307ab86fh8qy/FZ_1_Map_Pack.zip)
 
There's loads of maps on here for all different levels of tune and riding style. I've used about 6 or 7 of these maps, and they all work well, depends on your mods!

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 17 September 2013, 09:35:48 am

does trimming and re installing the flies make a noticable difference mate? it seems ok low down, but i'll put them back in if it gives it even more grunt.

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: stevierst on 17 September 2013, 09:46:48 am

Quote from: ogri48 on 17 September 2013, 09:35:48 am

does trimming and re installing the flies make a noticable difference mate? it seems ok low down, but i'll put them back in if it gives it even more grunt.

I did a lot of research for the flies before I made the decision to make some smaller ones or bin them completely. The Americans are the leaders in tuning these bikes, and I looked on both the USA Fazer sites asking the same question. There were quite a few guys who removed the flies, but found out that some of the bikes bog down slightly (probably a poor map). These guys replaced the flies with trimmed ones saying the bike had more usable bottom end, but slightly less top end.
 
I suppose it depends on your riding style, and what you want from the bike. I prefer to have a bit more bottom end for UK roads, as it's rare I go to the redline. (who the hell does???) If your a track hacker, then bin the flies and get an aggressive map.
 
If you've a bit of engineering skill, it's an absolute doddle to make your own smaller flies. 2mm aluminium plate, tin snips, a file, and a drill is all you need.

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 17 September 2013, 09:58:15 am

cheers mate. making them is not a problem, and im no track day hero, so bottom end always wins out over top for me. i guess i'll just make some and give em a try, its all good fun in the garage innit? :)  it deffo doesnt bog, im guessing as the map is already compensating, but it could once the exhaust mods are done and the gas is flowing that much quicker i suppose. gotta take the tank off again to wire in some heated grips and me exo2 heated vest controller anyhoo(yeah, not summat you need to worry about i know mike... ;) ), so i'll try it then. thanks for the heads up bud

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: stevierst on 17 September 2013, 10:09:58 am

No probs. It's always good fun to have a play with your bike and get it to improve. Try a few of the maps from the zip pack and see what works for you.
 
I downloaded about 7 maps onto mine, then just went out and tried them. Recorded my findings, and settled with the "whittlebeast smoothed and averaged map stage 3". It's smoother than freshly shaved ladybits and powerful from 3k to the bloodline. (also returns 40ish mpg even ridden quickly)
 
Enjoy your playing bud!

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: stevierst on 17 September 2013, 10:14:34 am

Quote from: stevierst on 17 September 2013, 09:32:45 am

FZ1 Pc3/5, two brothers juice box maps
[url]http://www.mediafire.com/download/f61307ab86fh8qy/FZ_1_Map_Pack.zip[/url] ([url]http://www.mediafire.com/download/f61307ab86fh8qy/FZ_1_Map_Pack.zip[/url])
 

*ADMIN* can we put this link on the FZ1 tuning page as a sticky or something so it's easily accessible please?

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 17 September 2013, 01:37:56 pm

Well, the cats dead, I'm much more of a dog person...

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 17 September 2013, 01:43:50 pm

Interestingly, the last photo shows why I gotta tune on the cheap. Them sportsmaxes are the originals, meaning although they have shitloads of tread after just 2k miles, they are totally useless being four years old, it's like they are Teflon coated, I cannot get anywhere near the edge on em and have spent the last few weeks since I got it sliding around norwich like bloody torville and dean...a new set of pirellis is pretty much crucial and well overdue. :eek

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: Bracechenko on 17 September 2013, 01:59:23 pm

I have those same mods but with a Mivv Ghibli can (baffle still on), K&N and custom map built. Mine puts out 138hp at the wheel and the torque and power curves are as smooth as you'd ever want - the bike is a dream to ride, so smooooooooth but an animal after 7,000rpm  :D

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 17 September 2013, 04:15:06 pm

Yup I'd be happy with that mate.  :)

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: Fazer TIM on 17 September 2013, 05:11:17 pm

GOOD JOB so far mate ive read up on the no flies/smaller flies and lots say it bogs, I have got ivans smaller ones ready to install when I do the airbox mod. Im running a dynojet map in mine atm only mods are pcv and yosh end can. 141.8 rwhp

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 18 September 2013, 05:44:32 pm

Cheers tim. Mine doesn't bog or fluff but if there's more low/ mid to be had at the sacrifice of top end i never use its gotta be worth a punt, picked up some sheet today gonna make and fit some smaller ones tonight, try em tomorrow. Bos end can turned up, mint condition and looks pukka with the stealth bracket instead of a strap. Absolute Bargain for a carbon slip on..£102, bid on loads of more modern looking angular ones but they keep making stupid money, guess not many people want the old school ovals so much now.Fitted it and anything over tickover bike just fucks off like the millennium falcon now... :)

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: Fazer TIM on 18 September 2013, 10:50:50 pm

looks good mate  :lol :lol

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 18 September 2013, 11:18:59 pm

Cheers dude. You gotta get your airbox mod done tim, it's worth it for the induction snarl alone:-) made me smaller secondaries tonight...stock ones were dull and frankly rough as a badgers arse, obviously any part of the motah with air flowing over or through it wants to be smooth so once I'd drilled and cut em I wet and dried em working through 240/400/600/1000/1500 finishing on 2000 so there niiiice and smooth like. Be interesting to see if I can feel a difference tomorrow. No idea if I've took too much off/ left too much on but it worked okay with full ones/none at all so i reckon it's gotta be cushty  :)

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: Fazer TIM on 18 September 2013, 11:30:43 pm

they look pretty good size wise . im gonna do mine as soon as I can get time  :)
 

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: chaparral02 on 19 September 2013, 01:05:54 am

I fitted ivan flies & BMC airfilter in mine a few years ago

But it far from modding on the cheap for me  :'(

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d9/chaparral02/My%20FZ1%20mods/DSC00352.jpg~original) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/chaparral02/media/My%20FZ1%20mods/DSC00352.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: slimwilly on 19 September 2013, 05:40:41 pm

Blocked your ais ?

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 19 September 2013, 11:08:36 pm

No mate.its not backfiring on the over run, and even if it did I quite like that. My old zrx 1200 used to do, sounded like a proper bike ;)

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 21 September 2013, 04:12:47 pm

Well, I did two days with the smaller flies in, under all conditions, and even took my missus out on a fast blast for a second opinion. It was nowhere near as good as with the flies out. No idea why, but there was a drastic fall off in power with them in, without it's an animal. I know my pc3 came from a bike that had them removed with a full system, so I'm thinking the pc3 could obviously be remapped and it would be sorted, but i really prefer the raw  power delivery without them in, it feels quite sanitized and characterless with them back in. Map seems perfect for the bike as is, but I can't be worrying it might be running lean or summat soBikes booked in for a custom map at BSD on 4th October, guess that will be the final proof of the pudding

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: Fazer TIM on 21 September 2013, 05:20:23 pm

if your pc3 is mapped for no flies and you got smaller ones in then that's gonna be why the performance has dipped I recon mate

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: stevierst on 21 September 2013, 06:37:55 pm

Quote from: Fazer TIM on 21 September 2013, 05:20:23 pm

if your pc3 is mapped for no flies and you got smaller ones in then that's gonna be why the performance has dipped I reckon mate

yeah, possibly. I've played with quite a few maps on this bike, and got some odd results.  Mine is running mivv can, trimmed flies, Lars airbox, BMC filter.
The map is supposed to be for a bike with removed flies, and decat too. This map is the best its ever run, even better than in standard tune! You'll have to play with some of the maps from the zipfile I put up here before. Gotta be better than spending a small fortune on r/r tuning and custom mapping.

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: ogri48 on 21 September 2013, 09:51:44 pm

Deffo. Weirdly, it's so much better on fuel tuned than it was stock. Shows how restricted they are to comply with all the euro emissions crap

Title: Re: Tuning on the cheap..
Post by: stevierst on 21 September 2013, 11:36:59 pm

Yep, I found that too. I got 48mpg out of it tuned up once. About 40-42mpg average quick riding. It dipped below 40 without tuning.