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Title: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 23 August 2013, 10:02:52 pm
Ok had a search and cannot find anything on here but im in the market for some new summer gloves- no need for any waterproof. I have been looking into  Dainese full-metal gloves, alpinestars gp, and Knox handroid. Just been googling and stuff so far and I know my final decision will come from a real life fit test for each candidate. My hands are slim with long (ish ) fingers but not small hands. Any help and advice would be appreciated especially any crash tests.Willing to spend £150-£250[/font] Cheers all
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 23 August 2013, 10:29:19 pm
I reckon that budget will buy most any gloves you fancy! In summer, I like short cuff gloves, but you have to check how they are around the ends of your jacket sleeves. All the armour on the knuckles is very nice and protective, but remember in most spills you'll automatically put your hands out, palm outwards to break a fall, so palm protection is perhaps more important. Be careful of gloves with a lot of mesh in them, as this often tears at the edges, just through wear and tear and never mind coming off! It's difficult to find gloves that will give you perfect finger length in every digit, but be especially careful that the fingers you use to operate switch gear are a good fit and won't fold over when you try to use them. Bear in mind that leather gloves will stretch a bit, but don't go too tight to start with, they only have so much give.
 Dainese and Alpinestars are both top makes, expensive, nice styling and good quality on the whole. I have said before that I like Spada if your budget were tighter, got some Ixon winter gloves which I'm not sure about yet, I think the linings might pull out too easily, despite being careful to pinch the ends off my fingers bit by bit. In winter you want a small air gap at the finger tips, if you're jammed right into the ends the cold will come through more easily.
Of course, trying them on is the only real way of knowing if they're right for you, as you said.
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: slimwilly on 23 August 2013, 10:34:45 pm
I went to discount seller, store on the outskirts of Birmingham, they had rack fulls of all makes,,and winter gloves,oddly enough..
i went through all makes , prices,,settled on a £50 pair summer gloves, with knuckle protectors and other bits, after our Italy trip they have settled in fine.
Oddly i had to have xxxl , now i thought i had small hands and a big dick :eek
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: paul1606 on 23 August 2013, 10:59:00 pm
I invested in new gloves earlier this year 2 pairs ,found it better to go to a motorcycle accessory place j&s etc and try a few pair on (you know when youve got the right pair  ;) ) Ended up with belstaff vented for the summer really comfy soft leather & good protection & Spada enforcer gloves for the winter (warm , dry when pissing down & up to now havent turned the lining inside out when pulling my hand out)
you say your hands are slim with long fingers,try Frank Thomas i found these to be a slim fit (no good for me though bit too tight)
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 23 August 2013, 11:03:13 pm
Spada Enforcer, yes, those were the winter gloves I praised elsewhere on the forum, just couldn't remember the name. Very warm, and like you say, easy to pull on and off. Some people found them to be a bit on the thick side, but I got on fine with them. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 23 August 2013, 11:23:15 pm
Thank you all so far for your help.
Keep it comming - I am listening
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: dBfazer600 on 23 August 2013, 11:51:30 pm
I tend to go for a size larger for my summer gloves compared to winter ones as I find my hands swell as the day goes on in the heat. So I would go and try them on later in the day when the heat is high and you have been riding a few hours.

Daz
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: mickvp on 24 August 2013, 12:52:10 am
I've got some rst trachtech gloves, which are "OK" (not a great fit with my jacket though which lets them down a bit), your budget is miles above this though.

I have had my hand in a Knox hAndroid though, and those feel great, if I had the money i would buy those muself. As said eaflier, at your price point you have just about everything to choose from! So you can afford to be picky.
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 24 August 2013, 12:31:45 pm
Dont get me wrong I would rather pay  the £150 than the £250 I keep looking at the alpinestars gp pro against the daineese full metal and can not see i get £100 more protection, the handroid ones look a bit clumbersome and all that stuff on them in my mind is just adding bits to stab me with in an off. Although I have a good budget I dont just want to pay the extra for a name if I can get the same protection from somthing else
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Frosties on 24 August 2013, 12:32:15 pm
Quote from: nick crisp on 23 August 2013, 11:03:13 pm
Spada Enforcer, yes, those were the winter gloves I praised elsewhere on the forum, just couldn't remember the name. Very warm, and like you say, easy to pull on and off. Some people found them to be a bit on the thick side, but I got on fine with them. Highly recommended.


+1 for the Spada Enforcer. Used every day last winter (50 mile each way commute on m/way & london) barring 2 snow days. Stayed warm, dry, insides stayed put and have a handy visor wipe. Pretty good feel for a winter glove.


For £60 odd quid I doubt you'll find better. Use the Spada Predator for summer/autumn and add a cotton pair of lining gloves if the temp drops a bit. In between wet gloves are Halvarsson Newman's. I'm happy with my set. You can buy all 3 sets for about £170.
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 24 August 2013, 12:49:21 pm
I think I used to have spada about 15 years ago but most likley £10.99 jobies. I will look into the spadas
Just a remind I am looking for full on summer gloves that will never see rain
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 24 August 2013, 12:54:00 pm
Quote from: fazersharp on 24 August 2013, 12:49:21 pm
I think I used to have spada about 15 years ago but most likley £10.99 jobies. I will look into the spadas
Just a remind I am looking for full on summer gloves that will never see rain

And I hope we get plenty more nice weather for you to use them in, but remember, autumn is fast approaching!  :\
Yeah, with A*, Dainese you're largely paying for the name, you don't need to spend that much for good protection.
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 24 August 2013, 01:05:21 pm
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"Yeah, with A*, Dainese you're largely paying for the name, you don't need to spend that much for good protection."
That is what is niggling me and I know it to be true, Perhaps I should of said I do have some winter gloves, actualy triumph branded. and my summer gloves are hein gerrik race that I have had for about 4 years and cost £39.99, there is nothing wrong with them, I just feel I could buy more protection, say I had an off and the gloves split open, I could never say that "well at least I bought the best I could (there was) I would always be thinking that maybe if only i spent a little more.
I do not comute, and i only ride for fun and when the wether is dry. 
 
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 24 August 2013, 01:14:46 pm
It's like buying anything - don't go for the cheapest, unheard of brands and check that the stitching etc looks well done. Good palm protection as I said; a single extra layer of thin leather is often not enough, many use Kevlar pads in the palms. But unfortunately you never know if you've got a duff pair from any manufacturer until put to the test, by which time of course, it's too late. I've never heard of the hard plastic protection on the knuckles etc causing injury, but who knows? And if it does, would it have been worse without it?  :\ :\ :\ :\ !
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 24 August 2013, 01:17:18 pm
Its those bars along the fingers (handroid)that just look like an extra hazard to me- are they sposed to stop your fingers bending backwards
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: noggythenog on 24 August 2013, 01:22:03 pm
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Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: noggythenog on 24 August 2013, 01:24:39 pm
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Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 24 August 2013, 01:30:26 pm
I think it's unlikely they'd prove to be a problem. You just can't plan for every contingency, safety clothing is designed to reduce injuries, or severity of injuries, in the unfortunate event, but you can never of course ensure that you'll escape completely unscathed every time. A lot of designers probably don't even ride bikes (I know this from where I work!) so sometimes their ideas aren't that well thought out - this is why the brands that the well known faces of m/cycle sport use do so well, they don't tend to use anything superfluous, just what they know to work.
Looks like Noggy's worked as advertised! Strap that finger up an' get on the bike, you big girl's blouse!  :lol
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Frosties on 24 August 2013, 01:30:41 pm
Link to my summer gloves below. Had them for 3 yrs and can't fault them. Good protection and feel. Personnaly I go for gloves with a wrist AND cuff fastener.


http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/spada-predator-gloves/1711 (http://www.infinitymotorcycles.com/product/spada-predator-gloves/1711)
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: noggythenog on 24 August 2013, 01:31:25 pm
These above £50 Richa gloves took a 40mph test on Tuesday, the knuckles took a scrape but i dont have any pain from that part, did the trick.Just.
The little finger split at the seam.
 
The palms as you can see opened up but i cant see that the place where they split was where i touched the ground, it looks like the large padded area of the palm took the impact and the stretching then forced apart the stitching on the thin bit - Actually looking at it again thats balls as it clearly scuffed on the thin bit of the palm.
all at 40'ish mph :eek
so ill be looking for uber palm protection on my next set.
 
 
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 24 August 2013, 01:47:46 pm
Thank you for your crash test Nog, that is very good info --- could you do another one for me in alpinestars gp pro please-- and a bit faster
Cant see the palms tho in your pic
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: mickvp on 24 August 2013, 01:53:39 pm
Quote from: noggythenog on 24 August 2013, 01:31:25 pm
These above £50 Richa gloves took a 40mph test on Tuesday, the knuckles took a scrape but i dont have any pain from that part, did the trick.Just.
The little finger split at the seam.
 
The palms as you can see opened up but i cant see that the place where they split was where i touched the ground, it looks like the large padded area of the palm took the impact and the stretching then forced apart the stitching on the thin bit.
all at 40'ish mph :eek
so ill be looking for uber palm protection on my next set.

thats why knox handroids are good, they have "sliders" on the palms to help stop with that  automatic reaction of sticking your hands down in an off (at least thats what the blurb says) - I just like the fact that they were designedby guys who ride bikes and not some designer sat at a computer trying to think what will bring good protection. shame I cant afford them (but they are well within the OP's criteria at ~£140-150 :lol
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 24 August 2013, 01:58:41 pm
I have seen a review although from the mk 1 handroid version where the cobra dial got pushed through the glove and into the riders fore arm and another one where one of the finger bars snaped and sliced into the finger.
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: dazza on 24 August 2013, 02:07:51 pm
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Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 24 August 2013, 02:22:54 pm
I kike em !!
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Phil on 24 August 2013, 10:14:36 pm
The August edition of Ride magazine had a test on summer gloves. They did abrasion and impact testing which its difficult to do yourself in the shop without them getting a little miffed. Their comfort/ease of use/can you pull them off results are all personel results as peoples hand size/shape varies so much.
I bought Bering Gant RX19 which scored top marks for abrasion and impact but poorly elsewhere in their test. Their tester could pull them off when done up. I find them very comfortable, no issues with internal seems being uncomfortable like they had or being able to pull them off. They have vents on the top of the first 2 fingers which lets air gush in when I straighten my fingers.

The following gloves scored 5/5 for abrasion & impact testing:

Arc-on Competizione £140 www.arc-on.co.uk (http://www.arc-on.co.uk)
Held Titan £230   www.held.de (http://www.held.de)
Held RS1000 £165
Ixon RS Moto £90 www.ixon.com (http://www.ixon.com)
Ixon RS ProHP £160
Racer High racer £150  www.tranam.co.uk (http://www.tranam.co.uk)
Bering Gant RX19 £110 www.bering.fr (http://www.bering.fr)

These had slightly lesser scores for abrasion & impact testing 
Alpinestars GP Pro £150 4 & 5
Knox Handroid £160 5 & 4
Weise WDG Daytone £70 4 & 5
Weise Vortex WVG £90 4 & 5
Rev-it Jerez £200 4 & 5

Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: noggythenog on 24 August 2013, 10:29:24 pm
Nice on phil,


Handy little guide there.


Im gonna take at look at the £70 quid ones now.


Cheers
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: noggythenog on 25 August 2013, 11:58:45 pm
Ive got a bit of a question about winter gloves.ive only ever had summer gloves.


Do winter gloves tend to offer a bit more abrasion resistance???




I liked my summer gloves & i don't really ride in the crap winter weather but there was still some nice weather in october that proved too cold for the gloves,especially with the air vents.


But if theres a warmer glove out there that also offers better protection than a summer glove then i dont care if i get sweaty hands in the summer.


Any ideas?
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 26 August 2013, 08:49:24 am
I dont think that winter gloves as a whole have better protection at all, as do they not spend all their time adding insulation and there dosent seem that there is any room left for protection. My winter gloves (pic) I liked as they look like they offer some protection and I would say that they give an extra  1/2 hour before I start to feel the cold. They are thicker and I do not like riding in them and long for the wether to wear my summers again
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Tmation on 26 August 2013, 02:58:39 pm
If you have that amount to spend, get some made to measure. You could get venting, armour cuff type to suit. Loads of firms make them, google is your friend.
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: noggythenog on 26 August 2013, 08:39:05 pm
Well i just got a set of brand new Furygan Jet Evo summer gloves for 30 quid delivered via ebay, at least theyll go with my furygan leathers which have proved very tough so far. :)
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: fazersharp on 26 August 2013, 11:32:30 pm
Now I have been doing a lot of reading up and reading reviews I think I will be finding somwhere to try on the Alpinestars gp pro -1st choice and the handroid.
Phil - thank you for the ride results, i am now trying to find the full ride review of all the gloves, I wonder it the gp pros were the new 2013 version.
On reading up on gloves I can now see how rubbish mine are, if you look at my pic and see the black palm double layer leather over the white, with yellow triangle sticthing----- WRONG it is not a double layer as it is designed to make you think, the white ends and then the black starts - it is only 1 layer W.T.F . So what else is going to be crap on these gloves, ive been risking my hands in these
 
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Frosties on 27 August 2013, 11:18:35 am
Quote from: noggythenog on 26 August 2013, 08:39:05 pm
Well i just got a set of brand new Furygan Jet Evo summer gloves for 30 quid delivered via ebay, at least theyll go with my furygan leathers which have proved very tough so far. :)


Monsieur, can I recommend these for your attire - quite fetching I think  :lol


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Just tryin to help fella  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: noggythenog on 27 August 2013, 11:25:11 am
 :rollin


Already got them for wearing under my onesy!!!! :b
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves---- NOW sorted
Post by: fazersharp on 29 August 2013, 10:26:55 pm
Thank you all for your help. I have gone for the GP pros 2013 model. I went to MCA Leicester and they were great I tried on the med then the Large about 10 times - sat on my bike with them everything and convinced myself that I should go for the tighter M so they can bed in. And I think it was astep too far my palms are not big but my fingers are long and were stuffed to the ends, my thumb got pins and needles, the armour in the pinky dug in to my knuckles and the wrist strap was more on the bottom of the hand rather than around the wrist. The issue was that the large felt perfect from the start but everything I read said get a tighter fit and they will stretch. The good news is that I got them exchanged at MCA and cannot thank them enough, I now have the large and they fit perfect, still need bedding in here and there. I'm thinking that yes leather will stretch but only if it is being stretched by hands too big for them. I did not quite know how I would get on with the last 2 fingers being stitched together but I 100% do not notice it as they are separated by 1/2 inch of leather and just upto the knuckle. I never thought about it before but I actually only use 1 finger to brake, all four are on the leaver but im only using the middle one most of the time unless I really need extra and then the others join in. 
Title: Re: Help me choose new gloves
Post by: Grahamm on 30 August 2013, 10:58:37 am
Quote from: fazersharp on 29 August 2013, 10:26:55 pm
convinced myself that I should go for the tighter M so they can bed in. And I think it was astep too far my palms are not big but my fingers are long and were stuffed to the ends, my thumb got pins and needles, the armour in the pinky dug in to my knuckles and the wrist strap was more on the bottom of the hand rather than around the wrist. The issue was that the large felt perfect from the start but everything I read said get a tighter fit and they will stretch.

It sounds like you made the right choice to switch to the Large size. Yes, leather will stretch, but only by a limited amount. If the gloves aren't at least reasonably comfortable without stretching, they're probably too tight.

Provided the large gloves aren't baggy when they're on, they should be fine.