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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: N A Chess on 30 July 2013, 05:01:45 pm
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The reason?? I get battered to f@ck by the wind - and that, along with the resultant noise comparable to sticking my head out of a car window at 100mph means I get no pleasure from motorway riding and try to avoid if I can.
It seems that the laws of physics and mathematics has resulted in my 6'3" frame and double bubble screen creating a perfect collision area of wind blast direct to me at face level. :'( [size=78%] [/size]
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[/size]If I lean forward, it eases slightly, but I cannot ride like that permanently.[size=78%]
I'd welcome the views and advice of similarly tall riders who have a set-up that is more comfortable than mine. I currently have a powerbronze double-bubble.
Many thanks. Ride safe.
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Im 5'10 and have the standard screen on mine and have exactly the same problem.
I find it boring, loud and uncofortable on motorways. Luckily most of my journeys are in town so its not that bad.
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Hiya fella,
Same height as you and to be honest suffer the same with my boxeye. I fitted a double bubble thinking it would improve matters and it made feck all difference.....may have made it slightly worse to be honest. Solution in my mind is to fit a touring screen but don't know anyone who has one fitted to ask. It worked on my other bikes so should do the same on the Fazer.
My main commuter is a Tiger and is more comfy. The only way I can reduce the chest buffeting on the Fazer (i ride at 90mph on the motorway) is to tuck in a bit to the tank.
Not much help I know but you're not alone. I've got my eye on this which is taller [size=78%]http://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/Yamaha_FZS600S_Fazer_1998-2001_MRA_Motorcycle_Touring_Screens.html (http://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/Yamaha_FZS600S_Fazer_1998-2001_MRA_Motorcycle_Touring_Screens.html)[/size]
Best of luck [size=78%][/size]
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Wear earplugs and keep it at 70. If that is still too annoying for you then find an a road alternative :)
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Yup ear plugs a must for motorway, reduce fatigue and protect from hearing damage
The mra vario screens do look good, milk try myself when can afford
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Yup go with ear plugs and maybe a standard screen.
I'm 6'2 and don't have much of an issue, just try to avoid them as they are boring anyway. :lol
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I'm 6'1" and had the same problem to begin with. Guess I've just gotten used to, cos it just doesn't bother me anymore. :lol I'm just more bored with driving on a straight motorway, so I stick to small roads anyway.
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I spend an hour on the M1 every day and wouldn't dream of doing it without earplugs.
I'm 5'11" and if I'm riding at 80 (which I usually am) then it helps a lot to crouch down behind the screen. I've just got a standard screen.
But earplugs do make a huge difference to your perception of the wind. If it's quiet then you don't notice the buffeting nearly so much
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I used to do 30k/year on my old boxeye, 75% m/ways. I had an unknown d/b screen and I'm 6'1". I found it bearable at 70-80, but over that speed you just get fatigued very quick because of the wind blast.
Find a set of effective earplugs, and use them EVERY trip! And don't forget to relax, very important!!
enjoy. :D
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I'm 6'1 and commute 50 miles along the M6 every day so can sympathise.
Firstly, I can't recommend a good set of earplugs enough, and apparently helmet choice makes a big difference though I have no experience of that, having only ever owned one.
As for the buffeting, I only find it a problem if going over 90 or being too close to the car in front.
The turbulence from a car, van or lorry has a much greater effect on me than higher speeds, does anyone else find this?
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I think I've just got used to it. Had a 650 Bandit for a while and it was a bugger for the wind but eventually got used to that but the engine and fairing on the foxeye is better.
A good lid (Shoei XR1000) and ear plugs make a massive difference
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I feel your pain, I'm trekking over the M62 twice a week now and the old head's suffering a bit. I'm stuck behind a Puig DB screen and frankly I don't think it's doing anything for me. Tempting by the MRA X-creen add on thing but would like to try a bog standard screen just to see if the DB is making any difference.
Cheers,
Rob
a mere 6' and a bit :lol
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The reason?? I get battered to f@ck by the wind - and that, along with the resultant noise comparable to sticking my head out of a car window at 100mph means I get no pleasure from motorway riding and try to avoid if I can.
It seems that the laws of physics and mathematics has resulted in my 6'3" frame and double bubble screen creating a perfect collision area of wind blast direct to me at face level. :'( [size=78%] [/size]
If I lean forward, it eases slightly, but I cannot ride like that permanently.[size=78%]
I'd welcome the views and advice of similarly tall riders who have a set-up that is more comfortable than mine. I currently have a powerbronze double-bubble.
Many thanks. Ride safe.
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The problem is that the air that the screen is displacing has to flow somewhere, at 6'3" you're going to need a pretty tall screen to try & deflect it over your head, so you would probably be better off going in the other direction & opting for a smaller screen in order to take it on your chest as that would be less of a discomfort than your present set up.[/size]
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I'm 6'1 and commute 50 miles along the M6 every day so can sympathise.
Firstly, I can't recommend a good set of earplugs enough, and apparently helmet choice makes a big difference though I have no experience of that, having only ever owned one.
As for the buffeting, I only find it a problem if going over 90 or being too close to the car in front.
The turbulence from a car, van or lorry has a much greater effect on me than higher speeds, does anyone else find this?
Yep, forgot about a good helmet making all the difference, and Transit vans! They create the most hideous turbulence. Get away from the buggers. Keep a bigger distance than usual from the car/van infront, or get past them >:D
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Thanks for all your responses. Glad it's not just me........but you all have my sympathy.
Definitely going for the earplugs option and will try original screen again.
Agreed re overtaking large lorries. The turbulence can be pretty unnerving when combined with an already windy day/heavy rain etc.
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5 foot 8 same thing,
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Definitely you want to be riding in earplugs at all times. Tinnitus is a real hazard to bikers with all the wind noise you get subjected to - even in a decent lid.
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I'm 6ft and run the standard screen on my FZ6 - I find it ok up to 70mph, beyond that it gets irritating, at 90 it's intolerable (I seldom use earplugs).
That said, I did quickly learn to pipe the pace down a bit for that reason which saved me 3 points / £60 from a hidden scamera on the A1.
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Thought I would chip in,
I am 6ft to be honest I don't have a problem with it but I only ride a short motorway distance. One thing I will say is its nowhere near as bad as naked fazer!
Get yourself a decent helmet. Shucberth (dunno how to spell it) are the quietest helmets on the market. You can get a touring screen, givi or mra with the wind deflector on the top. Failing that tuck down behind the fairing like a sportsbike. If that don't work then I am affraid you might need to buy a car!! The joys of motorcycling!
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To be honest the Fazer isn't that amazing at motorway riding, the fairing (particularly on the boxeye I found) is quite small, so you don't really get a lot of protection! Best I've ever had was on my old ZX9R, had a lovely big fairing and that combined with a double bubble screen meant that cruising at about 120/130 was extremely easy, too easy for my liking! I'll definitely be having another one some day though - was possibly the most practical and day-long usable sports bike I've ever, or known anyone else to have owned!
If you want real fairing protection, probably best to buy a properly faired bike?
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Or not ride at 130mph! Unless you want to loose your licence!
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Or not ride at 130mph! Unless you want to loose your licence!
I didn't mean that he should, I was more trying to show just how big a difference a fairing could make!
Still, the M11/A14 late at night is one particular road that's rather useful for getting quickly from the midlands to London!
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I just move back on the seat and tuck down. If you're uncomfortable tucking down you could carry a bag with you and lean on the bag.
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Earplugs help me relax a great deal when on the motorways, makes the background noise more of a quiet hum
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I also have a set of speakers in my helmet for when I'm cruising on the motorway, that helps you chill out a bit, and you have to keep the speed down slightly so you can hear it. Useful on longer journeys.:D
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I rode over the M62 last night in crappy weather and it seems the ride quality is very dependent on wind direction. I was motoring along pretty well heading East, once I turned on to the M1 and headed North-ish I was getting a proper battering, got on to the A64 East bound and things settled down again.
To be honest last nights ride was less about worrying about wind batter and more about why hasn't anyone invented wipers for helmets yet? I use Nikwax visor proof but its ability to shift water decreases quite rapidly, so at the beginning of a ride a light misting will slide off easily when you turn your head, 2 hours later you've got to wait for a serious build up of liquid before it'll shift off, and you're buggered if you give in and wipe your visor as that just stops it working at all then. There's got to be a better solution!
Cheers,
Rob
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There's got to be a better solution!
Yep, Mr. Sheen. Been using it for about 10 years. The Silicone in it beads the water off instantly, its cheap and makes your helmet smell nice ???
Some here swear by the v wipe, I'm gonna find one of them and give it a go.
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There's got to be a better solution!
Yep, Mr. Sheen. Been using it for about 10 years. The Silicone in it beads the water off instantly, its cheap and makes your helmet smell nice ???
Some here swear by the v wipe, I'm gonna find one of them and give it a go.
I've got a V-wipe somewhere but my current gloves (Held) have a built in blade on the left index finger, I'll give Mr Sheen a try.
Cheers,
Rob
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Tall screen + Good visor (e.g. Shoei, NOT Arai) + a little Mr Sheen/Pledge + the correct angle = water droplets being blasted off your visor instantly and a quiet ride.
Almost impossible. Used to happen when I had a Shoei lid, DB screen and a lowered seat that came with the bike, shame I had to change it for a slightly higher, slightly less pile-inducing one. Now have an Arai which rain just loves to stick to so need gloves with wipers.
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I am 5"8 and had a standard screen and got a double bubble one went out for a run with normal and quickly put on the bubble for a test ----- no difference. The only way to get out of the wind is to lay on the tank which makes you look stupid. Some combo of screen and your height can just change constant wind to a bufeting turbulance which is worse. I never used to wear earplugs till a few years ago and have to say I never go anywhere without them now as they make you riding far more relaxed without the stress of wind noise. As for wind blast alter your stance dig in hold on and grow your neck muscles
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Tall screen + Good visor (e.g. Shoei, NOT Arai) + a little Mr Sheen/Pledge + the correct angle = water droplets being blasted off your visor instantly and a quiet ride.
Almost impossible. Used to happen when I had a Shoei lid, DB screen and a lowered seat that came with the bike, shame I had to change it for a slightly higher, slightly less pile-inducing one. Now have an Arai which rain just loves to stick to so need gloves with wipers.
Only just seen this comment, i'm glad you mentioned the difference between Shoei visors compared to Arai as i thought it was just me being unlucky.
My previous lid was a Shoei and water would just fall off with a tilt of the head, but i've had about 4 Arai visors now and they simply do not repel water at all.
I've tried every potion going and nothing has made things any better whatsoever, and without my Vee Wipe i would be almost riding blind, as if someone has sprayed Mr Sheen on the visor but not wiped it off.
I love the crash helmet but the visors really let them down in bad weather.
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I find it hard to beleive that a rider would go onto a motorway without earplugs. :eek
A tank bag is good , then you can lie on it and get behind the screen.
My Shoei is very very noisey,, if i lift my shoulders and move my head back then it all goes quiet,,its the wind coming over the shoulders i guess, or the wind in the bottom of the helmet
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Shoei do a "curtain" as a separate accessory for the bottom of their helmets to help seal the wind out. Don't know if there's one for all models tho.
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Shoei do a "curtain" as a separate accessory for the bottom of their helmets to help seal the wind out. Don't know if there's one for all models tho.
There's always these things, i've not tried it personally as i don't ride motorways regularly.
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=200821716710 (http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=200821716710)
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I'd be amazed if that made any noticeable difference. Anybody tried one?
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Those skirt things wont work as the noise is not under there, it is around your head. Im gonna give slimwillys idea a go (lift my shoulders and move my head back) --- see if I can do it without falling off
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The most common cause of a noisy helmet is poor fit, although I accept that this is not always the case. The more and larger vents etc you have on the outside of the helmet, the more likely they are to generate noise. Altering the positional relationship between helmet and air flow, either by changing the airflow (screen shape/size) or changing your riding position by one method or another, will obviously have a major effect. Even if your helmet is a good fit, sometimes changing to a different helmet (but still a good fit of course) can make all the difference. It's just a combination of factors that each of us has to strive to get right, and what works for one person won't necessarily work for all.
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I've got a Shoei XR1000 and sometimes I have to look at the rev counter when I'm on the motorway to make sure I'm not revving the nuts off it in a low gear, it's that quiet.
Caught myself a couple of times riding down the A2 in 4th,,,
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Just had a little experiment, took my DB screen off and had a 20 mile blat around the lanes reaching inappropriate speeds where appropriate!
Has to be said it was noticeably better regarding wind noise and head bobble was less evident, although obviously my chest was getting more of a hit. The usual wind roar (with ear plugs rammed in) was replaced by a whoosh/whistle. My helmet is cack though (don't buy a Nolan N90 flip!!) so will be replaced at some stage with another piece of pure guess work which will hopefully be better ;)
Just grabbed a standard screen off fleabay so hopefully my motorway slogs will improve in the near future.
Cheers,
Rob
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Just grabbed a standard screen off fleabay so hopefully my motorway slogs will improve in the near future.
(from my post above) I am 5"8 and had a standard screen and got a double bubble one went out for a run with normal and quickly put on the bubble for a test ----- no difference.
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I was riding on the motorway a while back and the noise did my head on so much I decided to get off and risk being late. On the return journey I had my waterproofs on and when I took them off mid journey I noticed the wind noise come back. Turns out the collar on my jacket was stopping the wind rushing around the bottom of my helmet which was causing the worst of the noise.
Others have cited different reasons so I think it's horses for courses here mate, try different ear plugs, have a play around with your positioning, helmet angle and vents. You could try rolling up a neck tube so it fills the gap under your helmet.
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Had same problem at first riding up m3 everyday ( so fucking boring) wind drove me mad , im 6 2" and have a standard screen .
Found after a while you do get used to it and some tunes on a low helps to relax and def keep away from vans / trucks as this just makes the noise worse.
Missed out on a second hand MRA touring screen on Ebay the other day , not sure if it will cure the wind, but do like the option and look to be honest.
Having a sore back and arse is worse for me on long distance , need a cushion me thinks :b [size=78%] [/size]
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earplugs are the way to go. I get mine from Lucy Dell Ear plugs online. they do a selection pack for a tenner so you can work out which ones are best before you buy in bulk.
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I've just done the best part of 1000 miles in 2 days on the motorway - very very exhausting, and will not be doing again.
Tank bag was handy as it allowed my chest to rest on it hiding most of me behind the screen. It also helped my bum as I found it much more comfortable lent forward and low (like a foetal position) than sitting up straight like a GS rider. I did have ear plugs, but I always forget to put them in. I get on the motorway and remember, tell myself I need fuel soon anyway, so will survive until next services. Get to services, fill up, have a drink, get on the road...... damn, ear plugs! Rinse and repeat until I get to destination. When i do actually remember to put them in, they help a great deal.
I was finding 100 mile sittings on the Fazer were my limit, any more than that I needed a break for 10 minutes. Would love a comfier seat or seat addon, but my normal commute is 3 miles so don't want to spend a fortune on something I only need once in a blue moon.
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Have you tried something like this;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTORBIKE-COMFORT-SEAT-PAD-NOT-GEL-TRIED-AND-TESTED-WORLD-WIDE/350856799661?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=022&category=35566&cmd=ViewItem (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTORBIKE-COMFORT-SEAT-PAD-NOT-GEL-TRIED-AND-TESTED-WORLD-WIDE/350856799661?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=022&category=35566&cmd=ViewItem)
I've heard good things but haven't tried it myself. Its relatively cheap, especially compared to a new seat, so might be worth a shot
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I have not long passed my test and was petrified when i took my bike on the M6. I have clocked probably 400,000+ miles on the motorways in various cars but the sensation on 2 wheels is intense!
I take all the points on ear plugs and i'll try and adjust my body position next time i'm on. I'm a 6ft 4 17st lump!
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Have you tried something like this;
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTORBIKE-COMFORT-SEAT-PAD-NOT-GEL-TRIED-AND-TESTED-WORLD-WIDE/350856799661?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=022&category=35566&cmd=ViewItem[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTORBIKE-COMFORT-SEAT-PAD-NOT-GEL-TRIED-AND-TESTED-WORLD-WIDE/350856799661?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=022&category=35566&cmd=ViewItem[/url])
I've heard good things but haven't tried it myself. Its relatively cheap, especially compared to a new seat, so might be worth a shot
I've got one but only use it for long distances, yes it helps with comfort, feels funny the first time you use it plus it raises the seat height a good inch or so which when you put your foot down in town and forget it can give you a little moment!
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I'm a 6ft 4 17st lump
Wont that break the fazer !!
I am looking into the mold your own earplugs (pro guard) can anyone offer any kind of reviews for them, the blurb says 24db -- dosent seem enough, what are peoples experiance. I have stupid narrow cannels and not good for wax so dont want stuff rammed in me ear ole
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Bah, the Fazer carried my fat 20st ass around for a while :P
Glad to be down to 14st 10lb but my aim is around the 12st mark - Fazers are remarkably versatile with weight load
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Bah, the Fazer carried my fat 20st ass around for a while :P
Glad to be down to 14st 10lb but my aim is around the 12st mark - Fazers are remarkably versatile with weight load
Amen to that! It's pulling a trailer and all my crap - AND my fat arse too! :lol :lol
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Have you tried something like this;
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTORBIKE-COMFORT-SEAT-PAD-NOT-GEL-TRIED-AND-TESTED-WORLD-WIDE/350856799661?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=022&category=35566&cmd=ViewItem[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTORBIKE-COMFORT-SEAT-PAD-NOT-GEL-TRIED-AND-TESTED-WORLD-WIDE/350856799661?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=022&category=35566&cmd=ViewItem[/url])
I've heard good things but haven't tried it myself. Its relatively cheap, especially compared to a new seat, so might be worth a shot
Hey thats my trick. :thumbdown Thief. :lol
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I am looking into the mold your own earplugs (pro guard) can anyone offer any kind of reviews for them, the blurb says 24db -- dosent seem enough, what are peoples experiance. I have stupid narrow cannels and not good for wax so dont want stuff rammed in me ear ole
I tried the mold your own ones, they still need to get down the ear canal but even then I didn't find them that effective possibly because the ear is squished in to a different shape when in the helmet so the plug doesn't fit snugly. I find the bog standard Howard Leight Laser-lite do a better job. Have you tried their max-lite (I think, they're all green) ones as they're supposed to fit smaller lug holes?
I keep meaning to experiment with some foam in the helmet to get a better seal around my ears and neck, I'm sure that would help a lot.
Cheers,
Rob
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So those seats work then? (Actual experiences would be good)
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I'm a 6ft 4 17st lump
Wont that break the fazer !!
HA!!! So far it has survived unscathed! I'm big boned i tell ya :D
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What about one of these? :)
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What about one of these? :)
I love Goldwings! :D
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So those seats work then? (Actual experiences would be good)
As in the above link, then yes.
I have one and use it on longer rides. Increases bum to peg height by an inch, which helps the knees.
And the bum gets more of a softer formed seat, which if it gets uncomfortable you just wiggle and it moves around and reshapes.
I used to be uncomfortable after an hour or so, now i can last over 2 hours.
Gets a bit of used too, it grips the seat but is a bit slidey with textiles on.
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I'm a 6ft 4 17st lump
Wont that break the fazer !!
I am looking into the mold your own earplugs (pro guard) can anyone offer any kind of reviews for them, the blurb says 24db -- dosent seem enough, what are peoples experiance. I have stupid narrow cannels and not good for wax so dont want stuff rammed in me ear ole
I use these to make my own custom fitting in-ear headphones
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MYO-mould-your-own-Proguard-custom-ear-plugs-Red-better-than-Radians-DIY-/230758511073?pt=UK_BOI_ProtectiveGear_RL&hash=item35ba4771e1 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MYO-mould-your-own-Proguard-custom-ear-plugs-Red-better-than-Radians-DIY-/230758511073?pt=UK_BOI_ProtectiveGear_RL&hash=item35ba4771e1)
There's cheaper ones on eBay and I've found them to be rubbish not setting properly!
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I'm a 6ft 4 17st lump
Wont that break the fazer !!
I am looking into the mold your own earplugs (pro guard) can anyone offer any kind of reviews for them, the blurb says 24db -- dosent seem enough, what are peoples experiance. I have stupid narrow cannels and not good for wax so dont want stuff rammed in me ear ole
I use these to make my own custom fitting in-ear headphones
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MYO-mould-your-own-Proguard-custom-ear-plugs-Red-better-than-Radians-DIY-/230758511073?pt=UK_BOI_ProtectiveGear_RL&hash=item35ba4771e1[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MYO-mould-your-own-Proguard-custom-ear-plugs-Red-better-than-Radians-DIY-/230758511073?pt=UK_BOI_ProtectiveGear_RL&hash=item35ba4771e1[/url])
There's cheaper ones on eBay and I've found them to be rubbish not setting properly!
Yep that is the exact one I am looking into trying but robbus has put me off a bit with this I didn't find them that effective possibly because the ear is squished in to a different shape when in the helmet so the plug doesn't fit snugly
I am also looking into the docs proplugs
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I`m 5ft 4 and don`t wear ear plugs and have no problems He He :rollin still avoid motorways though, they are boring
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dont get a double bubble, you wont see over it :eek
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Obviously everybody has a different preference for earplugs but these are the best ones I've found
Howard Leight Max , 20 pairs for £2.50 from Amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0026IR2SM/ref=pe_385721_37986871_TE_item (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0026IR2SM/ref=pe_385721_37986871_TE_item)
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ive just bought a textile jacket normaly ride in a leather jacket, when i go above 90 the buffertings
allot worse with the textile jacket, infact theres hardly any with me leather on but with the textile buffertings
allmost unbearable,
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Just had a little experiment, took my DB screen off and had a 20 mile blat around the lanes reaching inappropriate speeds where appropriate!
Has to be said it was noticeably better regarding wind noise and head bobble was less evident, although obviously my chest was getting more of a hit. The usual wind roar (with ear plugs rammed in) was replaced by a whoosh/whistle. My helmet is cack though (don't buy a Nolan N90 flip!!) so will be replaced at some stage with another piece of pure guess work which will hopefully be better ;)
Just grabbed a standard screen off fleabay so hopefully my motorway slogs will improve in the near future.
Just to follow up on this, had my first M/Way ride with the standard screen this morning, cold, very windy conditions. The screen was fecking awful!! Could barely get over 70 without being in genuine pain, so coupled with heavy traffic, riding through cloud over the top of the 62 and being blown all over the shop I really have to say I didn't enjoy the experience today. Oh well back to the DB and the dawning of the idea that the Fazer just isn't cut out for M/Ways :(
Cheers,
Rob
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Just had a little experiment, took my DB screen off and had a 20 mile blat around the lanes reaching inappropriate speeds where appropriate!
Has to be said it was noticeably better regarding wind noise and head bobble was less evident, although obviously my chest was getting more of a hit. The usual wind roar (with ear plugs rammed in) was replaced by a whoosh/whistle. My helmet is cack though (don't buy a Nolan N90 flip!!) so will be replaced at some stage with another piece of pure guess work which will hopefully be better ;)
Just grabbed a standard screen off fleabay so hopefully my motorway slogs will improve in the near future.
Just to follow up on this, had my first M/Way ride with the standard screen this morning, cold, very windy conditions. The screen was fecking awful!! Could barely get over 70 without being in genuine pain, so coupled with heavy traffic, riding through cloud over the top of the 62 and being blown all over the shop I really have to say I didn't enjoy the experience today. Oh well back to the DB and the dawning of the idea that the Fazer just isn't cut out for M/Ways :(
Cheers,
Rob
It is and it isn't, the riding position isn't ideal as it leaves you to get battered by the wind but you can always hide behind the screen and the engine/gearbox allows you to get out of trouble easily. If I was going to do a lot of miles on a motorway commute I'd save the Fazer for weekends and look into getting a touring style bike specifically for work.
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You can not get out of the wind without putting your chin on the tank.
I say man -up brace yourself-- agress your body forward and push through it and grow your neck musels
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It also reassures me that I'm going pretty quickly!! :eek
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Well I had a try last night on a murky M62, didn't go full chin down as that's too uncomfortable with a heavy backpack on. I got in to a position that I must have looked like "straining on the toilet". No major difference in noise but was getting less buffeting and the bike picked up a bit of speed so must be more aerodynamic, however with the higher bars (rather than low clip ons) and fairly forward foot pegs it wasn't a position I could keep in for lengthy periods.
Cheers,
Rob