Post by: adeejaysdelight on 18 July 2013, 11:46:31 pm
Next year I am looking to grow my garage again and add something more focused like a GSX-R750, Triumph Daytona 675 or Fireblade 900RR. I have been looking online to get an idea of prices and noticed that ALL of the ones for sale have 25mm+ chicken strips on both sides. Have a look yourself. I know that maybe that IS why they are for sale, but surly there must be some capable riders moving on to pastures new?
So, I guess my question is, what is the point in having a bike like that if you are incapable of using it? And, what about you guys and girls, do you/can you utilise everything your bike has to offer? I know I can not (yet), as I have that 5mm I spoke of before.
Post by: wezdavo on 18 July 2013, 11:53:53 pm
Right-o, to start off, I'm no GP Hero, or even a wannabe. In the last 4 years of constant riding, I have managed to reduce my chicken strips to about 5mm'sh, with slightly more lean to the right than the left.
Next year I am looking to grow my garage again and add something more focused like a GSX-R750, Triumph Daytona 675 or Fireblade 900RR. I have been looking online to get an idea of prices and noticed that ALL of the ones for sale have 25mm+ chicken strips on both sides. Have a look yourself. I know that maybe that IS why they are for sale, but surly there must be some capable riders moving on to pastures new?
So, I guess my question is, what is the point in having a bike like that if you are incapable of using it? And, what about you guys and girls, do you/can you utilise everything your bike has to offer? I know I can not (yet), as I have that 5mm I spoke of before.
Im on about the same dam 5mm too, with pilot road 2's!!
I am abit sceptical as to weather I dare lean any further! Im putting it down to tyre shape :rolleyes
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 18 July 2013, 11:59:25 pm
(God, my posts are all long-winded tonight - must be the codeine...)
Post by: dBfazer600 on 19 July 2013, 12:07:47 am
Daz
Post by: Doddsie on 19 July 2013, 12:21:12 am
Lapping the TT circuit at 170+mph you might be pushing things to the limit, but how many of us ever really come anywhere close to it in reality??
Im not saying there arnt people out there that dont ride hard, but for everyone that does, there are another 50 wannabes!!
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 19 July 2013, 12:51:11 am
Speaking of average speed, I use an app called runtastic. I measured one of my routes on a day out jolly, riding "enthusiastically" and still it read 50mph average over 156 miles. OK, traffic lights, traffic, roundabouts and junctions are in there too, but still. I don't think we should, or can, be comparing ourselves with the TT though ;) . On coming traffic and all that.
Post by: Doddsie on 19 July 2013, 01:00:25 am
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 19 July 2013, 01:02:30 am
Post by: slimwilly on 19 July 2013, 08:28:35 am
Now on my Fz1s , the confident riding position, dry hot roads and guess what? , yes on the right the chicken strips have gone, last Sundays Wales roads saw them off, plus some good leading from a good rider.
on the left i have only a fraction, like 2mm,
Now this is just how good and easy these bikes are to ride,, plus i never ever put my knee out, i just lean it and when in a confident part of the corner give it the gas!!!!!
These bikes are awesome, a dream to ride, so,easy.
Relax and enjoy :D
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 19 July 2013, 08:58:22 am
Post by: simonm on 19 July 2013, 09:25:02 am
lol, The point in having that sort of bike for a lot of people is cos they can talk the talk. look around any bike meet at the number of people who turn up with untouched knee sliders and then stand there spouting off about how they have changed the front mudguard for a carbon one to save weight etc. Really gets my goat when some twat in the pub starts the old `I dont like Dunlop, they dont handle good enough` routine. Let Guy Martin have a go on your bike and see if its the tires or the rider that are no good.Definitely agreed. I think it's a personality thing. In I.T. I can normally smell a bull@$&&&er a mile off.
Lapping the TT circuit at 170+mph you might be pushing things to the limit, but how many of us ever really come anywhere close to it in reality??
Im not saying there arnt people out there that dont ride hard, but for everyone that does, there are another 50 wannabes!!
Post by: simonm on 19 July 2013, 09:27:13 am
The other thing about that mate of mine was, he never boasted about how good he was. Everyone else would be talking the talk, and he'd just be quiet. Then he'd go out and trounce everyone again. If I'd had that skill, I would have scraped every penny to go racing, but as far as I'm aware, he never did. Made it look easy too.Often the quiet ones are the guys that think and apply themselves (not all the time tho). I just gab and gab and grasp the fundamentals and don't apply them whilst getting myself in trouble :lol
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 19 July 2013, 09:33:09 am
Post by: simonm on 19 July 2013, 09:44:44 am
Imo a natural will study their performance and learn even if it's just something they toss around in their head during idle periods.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 19 July 2013, 09:49:49 am
Post by: stevierst on 19 July 2013, 09:51:52 am
Now I'm another 'none GP hero', I just enjoy the ride. I use s/t tyres on the fz1, and maxxis Supermax on the little fazer. The chicken trips have gone on both bikes, and I scraped my fz1 pegs for the first time last week. It has taken me years to get that far over, and to trust in myself, and the machine. I'm pretty sire there's plenty more lean in it yet though.
I'd love to see a pro jump on my bike and ride it to the limit >:D
Post by: mickvp on 19 July 2013, 10:01:38 am
Mines are huge though, so I'm not slagging anyone. I must have about 1" of chicken strip either side of my Tyre :o ill get there one day I'm sure..no rush and all that, main thing is to enjoy it I say :)
Post by: simonm on 19 July 2013, 10:18:15 am
Post by: seangee on 19 July 2013, 10:20:31 am
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 19 July 2013, 10:25:04 am
Post by: jason1 on 19 July 2013, 11:01:25 am
Talent became apparent to me few years back when i was on a nice long twisty road with large roundabouts along route . When i was seriously blown away by a guy who rode like a demon and especially round corners and knee down on roundabouts . The surprise to this is , the guy only has one arm , missing his right arm . Bike obviously modified to his needs , but fuck this guy could ride. Sleek fast and pure talent . Tried my best to keep up and follow his lines , but no chance . Just sat back and watched in ore , as be buggered of in the distance .
Enjoy ya chicken strips and enjoy
Post by: JoeRock on 19 July 2013, 11:15:59 am
On some bikes though it can be extremely difficult to eradicate the strips on the front, I know on older 16" wheel fireblades you could have literally no strips on the back, and still a good 1/2 inch on the front! Drove my mate mad :lol
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 19 July 2013, 12:06:50 pm
When I think about it, of all my mates who ride (or used to) I am second to slowest. And I'm ok with that. Even if I were the slowest. As long as I am getting better, that's all I care about. My original point was, what is the point in having a focused sports bike with 100 and odd bhp, top suspension and brakes and not using it? Why not but a comfy bike, save some money and relax. Is it just about showing off? I tend not to visit these Sunday biker hang outs as the "leather clad bullsh***ers" just annoy me. I was more impressed by a guy riding his KTM 990 through the snow on the motorway at 5am last winter.
stevierst (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=1085) - as you wish... 2013 Valentino Rossi test the Bridgestone Battlax T30 & Yamaha FZ1 promotional video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXze7JcILY4#ws)
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 19 July 2013, 12:11:50 pm
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 19 July 2013, 12:16:27 pm
Post by: stevierst on 19 July 2013, 12:53:06 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 19 July 2013, 12:56:41 pm
Sorry, think I stole that reply from someone else...
It's actually YELLOW but he went so fast it got white hot :D
Post by: ghostbiker on 19 July 2013, 02:36:20 pm
Lent just as far and had small slides on both.
Also riding style makes a big diff. I have no strips on the gen 1 fazer but have friends that leave me standing on twisties on similar bikes yet have small strips.
Way to many various things to get hung up on it.
Post by: MEM62 on 19 July 2013, 03:52:27 pm
Post by: stevierst on 19 July 2013, 04:05:14 pm
Guys, is there really kudos in the amount of unused tread at the edge of your tyre? It bothers me not a jot.Its not really kudos as such. Its a good measure for yourself in how you feel your doing in the corners. The way your rubber wears tells you a lot about how you ride.
Its just the bullshitters that go on about knee down corners and peg scraping when they've clearly got huge chicken strips. Every tyre tells a story!
Post by: Fazerider on 19 July 2013, 06:34:47 pm
Centre of gravity is another factor. Because the tyre has significant width, the further you lean over the further away from the centreline the contact patch is (obviously), but the effective lean angle is the line through the C of G to the contact patch... so the lower the centre of gravity the lower the cornering G force is for a given angle of lean as measured on the tyre. So lightweight riders will actually be leaning the bike over slightly further to corner at the same speed as a heavy rider.
Hopefully this crude drawing (exaggerated for clarity) may explain it better.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/7m5kxrc2r/chicken_strips.jpg)
Of course, hanging off (or moving their body the wrong way as I witness quite often) will have a larger effect.
I just took a stroll round the bikes parked at work and of the twenty proper bikes (I ignored the learners and scooters) one had no chicken strips, one had none on the right yet a whole inch of unused rubber on the left (presumably a roundabout specialist) and the other 18 had strips of an inch or more on both sides.
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 19 July 2013, 06:39:22 pm
Yeah he had matching one piece leathers fitted with nice big knee sliders.
Poor sod was parking up at work one morning - just so happened the works bus was pulling in at the same time - he was was just turning the bike round (probably hit full lock) and flopped over. What was worse is I am told he got stuck under the bike, a couple of the folks getting off the bus helped him out.
Now we've all had these embarrassing moments, which is what I told him when I bumped into him later in the day, but then I couldn't help but add - at least you finally got your knee doon!
Post by: stevierst on 19 July 2013, 07:18:06 pm
Post by: Bornagain again on 19 July 2013, 07:21:02 pm
The other point to think about is chicken strips show the limit of your footprint so theres still a way to go before you go off the edge.
But still strips are the mark of your riding, get the sandpaper out LOL.
Post by: Chillum on 19 July 2013, 08:51:04 pm
Turns out he was an ex-racer who had crashed badly (which explained why he had a standup computer setup - he literally couldn't sit down). Anyhoo, when I went and looked I had about 5mm of unused bits on the side of my tires so it finally twigged.
Next thing I know I'm booking a session at snetterton, getting the exhaust and the side of my boot down. After that there was just these little rubber balls on the edge of the tyres and a foc off big grin on my face.
The fazer6 couldn't hack it on the straights with the other bikes, but I was going round the outside of them on the bends, that bike handles so sweetly for a street bike and the brakes really inspire confidence. 80mph round the bomb hole, hard on the brakes and through the chicane, only to have all the thou's blast past me and the R6's and GSXr6 and 750's would get past me up to the next bend, then I'd be round the outside of them and out of the corner before they were.
I know we were told it wasn't a race, but man there were some red faced 600 sports bike riders that day. Weird thing was, when I was fully leant over and had my head about 6 inches from the chain and rear tyre of the bike I was passing it felt like I was at perfect peace. Every little detail was clear and it seemed everything was moving in slow motion - fantastic feeling. Would love to have been a racer I think, but my parents were so set against bikes I didn't end up getting one until I was 30.
Post by: Fazerider on 19 July 2013, 08:55:01 pm
I bet the winter nights fly by in fazerriders house : :) :)) :)) :))
Dammit! You mean geekiness is still uncool?
I play number-plate scrabble and do mental arithmetic on odometer numbers to pass the time on boring motorway commutes too. :lol
Post by: stevierst on 20 July 2013, 12:36:26 am
Dammit! You mean geekiness is still uncool?:D:D:D:D:)):)):)):)):D:D:D:D
I play number-plate scrabble and do mental arithmetic on odometer numbers to pass the time on boring motorway commutes too. :lol
Post by: locksmith on 20 July 2013, 09:30:03 am
Enjoy your ride and get home safe and sound, that's all that matters.
Post by: Punkstig on 20 July 2013, 09:43:25 am
Post by: Derpdiherp on 20 July 2013, 10:29:47 pm
Post by: midden on 05 September 2013, 12:17:15 pm
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 05 September 2013, 12:29:54 pm
Patience. Its taken me nearly 2 years with the Fazer to get here, and I know some of the guys are way beyond my ability with the same bike.
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 05 September 2013, 12:33:10 pm
Post by: Loz on 05 September 2013, 02:08:45 pm
I am a granny and ride like one :b .....but i have a lot of fun :lol
Post by: midden on 05 September 2013, 02:32:03 pm
Post by: fireblake on 05 September 2013, 02:34:39 pm
I ride to my capabilities not the bikes, much as i would love to be a 46 rider, i accept it aint never gonna happen, hence mt Chicken strips are measured in inches not mm :o
I am a granny and ride like one :b .....but i have a lot of fun :lol
Hey Loz, don't knock yourself, you're out there riding. Do it at your own pace and just enjoy. Who gives a toss how big your strips are. Doing Miles will increase your confidence the world of goodand gradually you'll increase the angle of dangle.
Always wanted to say that?
Mickeyboy
Post by: noggythenog on 05 September 2013, 03:11:18 pm
if we were all hardcore then none of us would stop for bacon butties at the cafs as we'd all be feeding through straws on the move whilst scraping our bonce off the road.
of course it's natural to look at our own tyres & be a bit proud that we got over a bit further than last time but i dont think it's fun to take the piss out of other folk about it, well unless it's genuinely joking or someone's making a point of how great they are but instead of arguing with those types at cafs it's best to keep quiet then thrash them on the road. :b
Post by: midden on 05 September 2013, 03:19:35 pm
Post by: Chris on 05 September 2013, 03:21:44 pm
Chris
Post by: fazersharp on 05 September 2013, 03:42:17 pm
I dont get how some sports bike riders are hanging off the side round a roundabout to get their knee down yet the bike is almost still upright
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 05 September 2013, 04:00:32 pm
Post by: fireblake on 05 September 2013, 04:08:11 pm
The op started about getting rid of his strips on the fazer. And he is down to 5mm I would say that is as far as it will on on these bike befor the exhaust is grounding out along with foot rests.
I dont get how some sports bike riders are hanging off the side round a roundabout to get their knee down yet the bike is almost still upright
Having 4 foot long legs must help. As mine are 2 foot long, this has been my excuse.
Mickey the vertically challenged divot
Post by: noggythenog on 05 September 2013, 04:32:13 pm
& of course theres the magazines & marketing which used to be superbike biased & now they are on the adventure bike mission which many are buying into, no different when most people arent adventuring on them but that's still their choice.
& adee what makes you want a bigger 750, if like you say you havent reached the limits of the 600 yet?, is it just because you fancy something a bit different or a change from what you know or whatever, if so then you may have already answered your question regarding why other bikers have big bikes.
Post by: JZS 600 on 05 September 2013, 05:41:54 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 05 September 2013, 06:00:21 pm
Night, I don't are what people spend their hard earned on. People buy stars for goodness sakes. And as for the affordability thing, I could go buy a Panigale or HP4 right now if I wanted to. My point was, why? Unless you can use it, what's the point? I have passed countless 1000cc sportsrers that look tense and uncomfortable on their bike. When they could learn more and save some scratch on a more useable machine. You see where im coming from here?
Right then, can I have a KTM 1190 Adventure, a Ducati Hypermotard, an MV Brutale and.....
No, no, it's ok, I'll pay my own running costs, very kind of you to offer!
You can borrow them once in a while too, of course :)
Post by: Slaninar on 05 September 2013, 06:07:52 pm
From English riders I met I've heard that UK pavement is a lot grippier (or, better: that Serbian pavement is too slippery, but tyres last twice as long on it) though. Maybe that can allow for greater speed, while still being safe, able to stop in time.
Post by: dazza on 05 September 2013, 06:40:40 pm
Post by: Slaninar on 05 September 2013, 06:48:52 pm
Hmmmm....May start riding on the pavement then.
Pavement as road surface, asphalt - that is what I meant.
Post by: Chillum on 05 September 2013, 08:28:34 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 05 September 2013, 08:33:35 pm
Just an observation.
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 05 September 2013, 08:33:51 pm
Well i think when people buy a bike, it's not just a bike but a dream they are buying also.If a guy has always dreamed since he was a teenager about having a Fireblade then he'll eventually have one whether he can ride it well or not.& once that itch has been scratched & he realises the reality isnt as good as the dream, he sells it on..& you get a nice bike that hasnt been ridden much.maybe that is why you see so many for sale with chicken strips.
& of course theres the magazines & marketing which used to be superbike biased & now they are on the adventure bike mission which many are buying into, no different when most people arent adventuring on them but that's still their choice.
& adee what makes you want a bigger 750, if like you say you havent reached the limits of the 600 yet?, is it just because you fancy something a bit different or a change from what you know or whatever, if so then you may have already answered your question regarding why other bikers have big bikes.
I am not planning to change my bike, I am growing my garage and adding a third bike. I fancy a sports bike again because the handling, performance & riding position is more focused for aggressive riding. So, when I'm in the mood, I can go out and rip the nuts off a bike designed for that job, rather than my poor wee Fazer bouncing off the limiter in 4th :rolleyes . I have decided that post 600 will suit my needs best. My first bike after passing my test was a CBR600 and it was too revvy for my liking. The GSXR 750 or Triumph 675 have some mid range too. That is why I am going for a bigger engine. The thou is FAR to much for me right now. Had a day out on an R1, a shot on a Gixxer and an Blade. Scary, for me anyway. Maybe in 10 years ;) . Does that answer our question?
Post by: bigsteve on 05 September 2013, 09:27:20 pm
If you have 90 mins spare try watching this
Twist of the Wrist 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjH-F7vosB0#)
It a bit cheesey but the science seems good
Its helped me understand a bit more
Post by: Dead Eye on 05 September 2013, 10:26:02 pm
I've watched it at least twice to my recollection and will probably watch it again to pick up something I've forgotten
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 05 September 2013, 10:53:47 pm
Post by: lew600fazer on 05 September 2013, 11:31:37 pm
Lew. :eek
Post by: coupcoup on 06 September 2013, 12:01:08 am
I reckon the 600 will always be more than enough bike for me to handle.
Post by: Grahamm on 06 September 2013, 12:08:41 am
Not being funny here but what is a chicken strip
It's the unworn bit of the tyre (because it's not been in contact with the road), the more you lean the bike over, the narrower the unworn section.
Post by: fazersharp on 06 September 2013, 12:10:24 am
Not being funny here but what is a chicken strip,Thats easy they are like goujons but thinner
Post by: midden on 06 September 2013, 12:52:01 am
Hmmmm....May start riding on the pavement then.
Why not, there're enough fekkin cyclists doing so, at speed too and they get away with it :/
Post by: Slaninar on 06 September 2013, 07:18:42 am
Hmmmm....May start riding on the pavement then.
Why not, there're enough fekkin cyclists doing so, at speed too and they get away with it :/
If you knew you'd find yourself,
doing the same thing too!
Judas Priest - Breaking The Law (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU#)
:)
Post by: simonm on 06 September 2013, 08:12:26 am
Not being funny here but what is a chicken strip, is that the wee bits of rubber spikes that stick out near the edge of the tyre. Or is it the part of the tyre near the edge that has not come into contact with the road?? If so I am not as chicken as I thought.The Shiny part on the edge of the tyre which is not on the side wall.
Lew. :eek
Mine are an inch all around apart from the rear right hand side which is about 7mm. I'm more confident turning right than left. Dunno why.
Post by: lew600fazer on 06 September 2013, 08:46:48 am
Just curious here are you right handed or left handed, I am right handed but prefer left hand bends.Not being funny here but what is a chicken strip, is that the wee bits of rubber spikes that stick out near the edge of the tyre. Or is it the part of the tyre near the edge that has not come into contact with the road?? If so I am not as chicken as I thought.The Shiny part on the edge of the tyre which is not on the side wall.
Lew. :eek
Mine are an inch all around apart from the rear right hand side which is about 7mm. I'm more confident turning right than left. Dunno why.
I also find this though on the continent , as you drive on the wrong side of the road from us Brits, going up hill on mountain roads I prefer left hand hairpin bends than right yet going down hill it is the other way around. I am used to ridding out here now so it is not a new thing for me.
Lew
Post by: simonm on 06 September 2013, 11:34:03 am
I generally try and keep a lot of space all around me and don't like being crowded. If I do get crowded I just slow down till they overtake or get bored.
So yes, huge chicken strips all around for me. Ask me again when I've been riding 6 Years rather than 6 months.
Post by: tkwish on 06 September 2013, 12:03:39 pm
Post by: lew600fazer on 06 September 2013, 01:11:39 pm
If your going into a hairpin bend at a speed and angle as to remove your chicken strips then surely your going to fast as you can't possible see what is around that corner and be in a position to stop if you need to do if you haven't got strips on normal Road use surely this indicates a Dangerous riderNot all hairpin bends are blind corners as a matter of fact were I am most are open view.
Post by: tkwish on 06 September 2013, 01:29:41 pm
Post by: Slaninar on 06 September 2013, 01:31:34 pm
Not all hairpin bends are blind corners as a matter of fact were I am most are open view.
Exactly. Unfortunately, where I live, most are. Only on motorway exits can you see far enough.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 06 September 2013, 05:33:59 pm
Valid points?
Post by: Oldgit on 06 September 2013, 06:10:53 pm
johns new machine 029 |
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 06 September 2013, 06:22:13 pm
wonder if I will have chicken strips on my baby.
Very small bike, very small tyres - pigeon strips?
Post by: JZS 600 on 06 September 2013, 07:38:44 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 06 September 2013, 07:54:21 pm
Camber means you're already effectively on the side of the tyre before you even lean on a right hander, whereas on a left hander, the bike is effectively more upright for the same radius of bend. As per the old banked tracks and Daytona etc, centrifugal forces drive you into the surface as you corner on a left hander.
Of course, I have to be a bit different :rolleyes . Because of a reconstructed shoulder and having less extension in my left elbow, I tend already to be seated slightly to the left, simply because of less reach available with my left arm to the bars. This actually helps me with left handers, as my weight distribution is already favourable for them. Makes right handers a bit more work for me tho'.
Post by: Punkstig on 06 September 2013, 11:10:01 pm
I tend to lean the bike further over on the left but I'm comfortable with both directions!
Post by: dazza on 07 September 2013, 02:31:14 am
Post by: Dead Eye on 07 September 2013, 08:57:50 am
I think I prefer left hand bends - the reason is that, in the UK at least, there isn't any oncoming traffic at the apex :P
Post by: red98 on 07 September 2013, 09:02:13 am
Post by: Grahamm on 07 September 2013, 10:40:15 am
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 07 September 2013, 10:53:59 am
I used to treat my local piece of twisty road like it was my own personal race track, and each time I rode it, I'd try to do it not only smoother, but faster. Well it certainly got so I could go faster along this one stretch of road than just about anybody else. But I paid the price and took it too far, and I'm lucky to be here now. I'm still paying the price of that over-exuberance.
I'm also being a little hypocritical here, as I seem to be headed that way again, but since that crash, I do seem to have a psychological check mechanism which doesn't allow me to go quite full steam ahead. I hope it stays that way.
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 07 September 2013, 01:45:45 pm
If your going into a hairpin bend at a speed and angle as to remove your chicken strips then surely your going to fast as you can't possible see what is around that corner and be in a position to stop if you need to do if you haven't got strips on normal Road use surely this indicates a Dangerous rider
As with anything, some people are more capable than others. If you are going into a blind bend you should be going at a speed that you KNOW that you can stop in the distance you can see. If you are not abiding by that simple rule then you get what you get (maybe a tractor, broken down can, cow on the road...). However, if you can see, or it is a sweeping bend, why not take it at a speed you feel comfortable? Maybe my speed for that bend is 50 and your's 60 and John McGuinness 130!!! Its not about jumping out of your comfort zone, but exploring the capabilities of yourself and your bike. I have seen the hero blobs on the same bike as me ground right down, so I know that the bike can do much more than me. But I do lots of country road riding and and finding out just what my bike (and myself) is capable of. One of mates is a riding instructor and he say "practice, practice, practice". So don't expect that if you HAVE to lean really hard to get out of a situation and never done it before, to do it well. The guy who has done it 693 times has a much better chance of escape.
Also, I lean farther to the right than left. I have had 2 low sides. One my own fault, the other was diesel from a bus. Both times I went down to my left. Confidence knocked and it is taking me a long time to get it back on that side. :( . I know it will come though.
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 September 2013, 02:37:51 pm
Pegs down? Only done that a couple of times since I got the K-Tech shock a few years back. Given up trying to scrape em on my favourite bends.
Practise, practise, practise - maybe. But if it an't working, you don't feel confident and you keep pushing, well you might come off.
All I can think of, is that's it's down to steering. That means knowing how steer the bike, and it does take a wee bit of input to get the thou over, especially at speed. Oh and slow in fast out helps. You want some power on when banked over me thinks.
I'm better going right than left, I think it's just cos you have a better view going right and a feeling you have more road to play with.
And yup, try not to go faster than what you can see.
Post by: rayburn600 on 07 September 2013, 03:51:56 pm
For me its the extras one gets on a bigger bike. Like better brakes, suspension etc.
Not necessary to use all its got all the time every time.
Chicken strips....I always keep a few mil of them, just in case I need them at some stage. Good to know in difficult situations.
You could also ask the same question to a Jag owner.
Normally they are over 65 ex banker and never had the thing over 70mph. LOL :lol
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 07 September 2013, 04:27:57 pm
All I can think of, is that's it's down to steering. That means knowing how steer the bike, and it does take a wee bit of input to get the thou over, especially at speed. Oh and slow in fast out helps. You want some power on when banked over me thinks.
Yes, learning to use more counter steering than just that which comes subconsciously is very useful. It's actually not difficult to learn, because it makes things feel more secure.
I used to be able to power steer (slide rear end) on my old slab-side GSXR750 on certain bends too, but then started thinking about what-ifs and gave it up - not the most sensible thing to be doing on the road, and I wouldn't really have the confidence to try it now anyway.
I also agree that whilst in any given corner, you want a bit of throttle, however little, rather than be off throttle. I apply this to driving a cage too. It helps with grip and keeping control of things.
Post by: wickedmonkey on 24 October 2013, 08:39:45 am
If you have 90 mins spare try watching this
Twist of the Wrist 2 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjH-F7vosB0#[/url])
It a bit cheesey but the science seems good
Its helped me understand a bit more
Thanks for this. Watched it last night and found it very enjoyable and informative. In fact, I've just ordered it for a friend of mine. Watching it gave me more confidence is my bike and my own abilities. I just need to relax and do what my instructor always told me to do!
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 24 October 2013, 03:11:14 pm