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General => General => Topic started by: ghostbiker on 15 November 2011, 05:45:23 pm
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Well my AVG S4 stealth has finaly started to leak and just getting a bit tatty. had it 4 years now and have got on well with it. been wellfitting and no real issues with it realy.
I also have a spare Caberg flip that i hardly use. its to loud and gets a lot of buffeting for some reason.
I like the idea of Flip's but are they all loud and unaerodymanic?
I also like the idea of Bluetooth built in, but that dose seem to limit the choices on helms.
As im at the NEC on the 27th im gunna take a look around to get an idea on fit and comfort, but what do you guys think about helms? I have a MAX of £250 but would prefer £150
gota look ok and be fairly quiet. blue tooth would be a bonus.
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sorry never realy put a limit on my lid last one £310 shoei xr1000 and the next will be a £380 shoei multitec save money elsewhere and buy the best lid you can aford if you budget it £250 and they are comfy for you go for a shoie Qwest £270 may be cheaper at the NEC or the x-lite X-602 (http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/helme/x-lite-x-602-start-n-com-3-schwarz.html)
but please dont skimp on a lid
Sorry lecture over[/font][/size]
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I have a Duchinni D619 BT, it is loud but I think flip's tend to be loud as a general rule.
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sorry never realy put a limit on my lid last one £310 shoei xr1000 and the next will be a £380 shoei multitec save money elsewhere and buy the best lid you can aford if you budget it £250 and they are comfy for you go for a shoie Qwest £270 may be cheaper at the NEC or the x-lite X-602 ([url]http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/helme/x-lite-x-602-start-n-com-3-schwarz.html[/url])
but please dont skimp on a lid
Sorry lecture over
Sadly as i have been out of work for 5 years and on Disability belive me when i say I am spending the max possable on a lid lol. actualy probably to the point that i will buy a lid then not be able to afford to fill the bike with fuel to use the lid :P
I think offten bargins can be had by getting a model of lid thats a year or even 2 years old. lots of ppl only want the latest designs where as im happy for a older design so you can get a good quality lid for less.
Glad you mentioned the Duchinni Karlo as thats one i was gunna research. noise is something thats hard to find out about unless someone like you mentions it.
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another stealth? or the s4, same thing without the thing stuck to the top :)
Should be cheap as an older model too
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my coments were not a dig about being tight please belive me but as i use to work in the motorcycle clothing sector and was a helmet specialist with shoei, aria and shark trained where a lot of people would buy a £10,000 bike and a £700 gimp suit and then a £50 lid..... but i digress
£150 caberge justisimo or the probiker KX4
but as was also said if AGV fit then stick with them Hein gericke have some good prices at the moment
http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/helme.html?brand=405 (http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/helme.html?brand=405)
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sorry ghostbiker i have a question.
I have an AGV S4 trendy, don't know if they are the same helmet, blue with white viper stripes.
Bought it because it was ment to be good and quiet. NOT, really loud with wind noise compared to my old £30 hand me down Takachi.
Sent back to the importer under warrenty but still no better, put it down to a combination of the helmet and the fairing on my 02 bike.
Is yours noisy thats my question? has anyone else had this experiance with this helmet?
Nick
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Well i dont find the AGV "overly" loud. i meen compaired to the Caberg its bloody silent lol
but yeah i do find the AGV a little loud but not to bad. (you just know this is gunna set off the whole ear plug thing dont ya :P )
The AGV s4 is pretty cheap, can easy get one for around £90 and its 5* etc. (why i brought it in the first place)
so it is high on the list.
i do like the Shoei Qwest but i think i will be pushing it to get one at under £250
its on the "wish" list even though it dosent look that nice. will deff try one on at the show.
The Caberg Trip got 5* and is half the price of the justisimo. there great for a 2nd helm but im not sure i can live with one full time.
the others i will look up later as not heard of those much
but thx for the thoughts
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Ok thats great just wanted a second opinion that wasn't a dealer.
Sorry for setting off the ear plug debate, to stop it yes i do use them.
Nick
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I have an AGV S4 trendy, I love it as it's the quietest helmet I've ever owned, plus light and comfy.
I agree with ghostbiker, a quality helmet doesn't have to break the bank. Mid-price helmets often have better SHARP ratings than pricey ones, and if you go for an older design £150 is more than enough to protect your noggin.
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When I last needed a new lid I went to 3 shops to try on ones from all the available options and the only one that fitted properly and I felt comfortable with was a Shoei XR1000. What was weird was until that point Shoeis had never fitted me but the makes that used to (Arai & Shark) no longer did, the guy in the shop told me that manufacturers will often change the shape of the shells which will then change the head shapes that fit them properly so you can't gurantee that one manufacturers offerings will always fit you, so when buying a new lid you do need to try them all again to find the best fit. I honestly had no choice as nothing else came close to fitting me like the Shoei so from my experience you're better off seeing what actually fits properly and if you have a choice you can narrow it down then.
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the sharp test is a bit misleading as a fiberglass nitro lid will stand up to the sharp test than a top shoei and the points of impact they use in the test is where most of the damage actualy happens not where the main impact in a crash would be be they test the sides where as the impact is normaly from the forehear across the crown and down the back
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what has supprised me is a fair few £50 helms actualy have a 5* sharp rate
also the cheaper Caberg flip has a 5* and the more expensive one has 4*
but even the 5* flip only had the front flip stay in place in 80% of the crash tests....... 80%??? so you have a 1 in 5 chance of the front comming undone in a crash yet it gets 5* lol
the sharp rate dose seem to concentrait on just a few very small areas of impact and dont seem to give much of a overall rate to a helm thats for sure.
you do seem to pay for quality, but dont seem to have to pay much to get safety.
without testing the fit yet it seems to be down to the
the qwest or back to the S4 the reviews and stats on the qwest do look damn good and if it fits well i can see the bike will be parked up for a month or 2 so i can afford it lol.
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i own a AGV s4sv lid had it about 4 months or so ..absolute piece of shit..its being replaced with a new one at the bike show .
ive had 3 visors for it..you know ..the scratch proof visors ..the ones that scratch when you wipe them ... shit.
wind noise ..akin to having no lid on at all.
pull the visor down and the barsteward steams up so you have to open it up slightly .. IF you can get to put your visor down ...when its raining it lets water gets in from the top...useless.
ive used it with the sun visor down and clear visor down when its been raining ..i also wear glasses wich end up wet ...figure that one out.
Ive got to admit though i think it looks a great lid ...also very comfy ..shame its near useless. :rolleyes
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odd that 2 ppl have said how bad the S4 is both saying wind noise a swell.
Mine realy isnt that bad at all.
it dose now leak from the top of the visor and steams up but didnt for a good couple years.
im on 3rd visor but one i replaced just because i wanted a tint. might have helped the replacements were not OE AGV ones, i dont remember how fast i needed to change the OE one.
i wonder if there is diffs between the S4 types that make the diff in noise and leaks etc.
i keep looking at the Bluetooth helms like the Duchini's i like the idea but most reviews from actual bikers say you cant hear jack affter 50-60mph at best. kinda pointless then realy
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I have a schubert C2 - these are the quietest flips by miles - but you have to have a thick neck they weigh a bit. Mine was £250 so on your limit but the replacements C3s have been out ages and cost £450 :eek . You will have to search for a while to get that price and the sizes left
XXL £199 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SCHUBERTH-SCHUBERT-C2-FLIP-UP-HELMET-MOTO-BLACK-SIZ-XXL-/360243843077?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Helmets&hash=item53e034d005 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SCHUBERTH-SCHUBERT-C2-FLIP-UP-HELMET-MOTO-BLACK-SIZ-XXL-/360243843077?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Helmets&hash=item53e034d005)
There is a C3 at £309 if you need a medium http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Schuberth-C3-silver-metallic-best-price-/170726717208?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Helmets&hash=item27c01af718 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Schuberth-C3-silver-metallic-best-price-/170726717208?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Helmets&hash=item27c01af718) which is a great price.
You should try to try one on to make sure you are happy with the weight
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I have a Nitro Patriot which is quiet but was tight for a medium (Shark S500air fitted perfectly) but after a few rides it has padded down nicely and is quite quiet but it leaks down behind the visor when it rains which is a real pain and the visor steams up so I ride at 30 on first click- maybe that nis when the rain comes in :'(
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Well poped down to H G today on a ride out. poped in and tried a few helms on, glad i did to as it seems my head has shrunk rather a lot..... 2 sizes in fact lol :eek
Tried on a K4 agv and wasnt to impressed with the fit, odd as i have allways fitted AGV's well
tried a couple of other makes but most either didnt feel right or were way to cheap or way to expensive
one of the HJC's was a good fit and felt nice but in the end i went with the Shoie Qwest, Much lighter than my old AGV S4 and a pretty good fit. it was odd though the Large felt just a fraction to lose, was good back to front but was a tiny bit lose on the sides.
the Medium was much tighter all round with no movement anywhere but actualy for such a tight fit felt good.
So i went with the medium even though it was a fraction tight i the hope it would lossen rather than the larg getting smaller :P
Got a good deal to, £270 seems the norm for these i got it for £235 with a spare Pinlock insert and a spare visor and a cleaning kit :)
didnt have my size in stock in the right colour though so i have to wait till wed's to pick it up :(
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got my new lid today shoei multitec in white with a second smoked visor pinlock and the whisper strip ticket £385 paid £347 so not too bad
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I've had a Shoei XR1000 for nearly 3 years and it's just as comfortable and waterproof as the day I got it. Can wear for hours and hours without discomfort. Would definitely recommend as now you can get them for your budget new as replaced by the XR1100. Hoping to get a XR1100 at the NEC show next Saturday :)
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Arai saltire here
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Arai condor and caberg justissimo also a suomy screaming eagle design,but ive now had it resprayed with my own special design...ill see if I can dig out sum pics
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When I last needed a new lid I went to 3 shops to try on ones from all the available options and the only one that fitted properly and I felt comfortable with was a Shoei XR1000. What was weird was until that point Shoeis had never fitted me but the makes that used to (Arai & Shark) no longer did, the guy in the shop told me that manufacturers will often change the shape of the shells which will then change the head shapes that fit them properly so you can't gurantee that one manufacturers offerings will always fit you, so when buying a new lid you do need to try them all again to find the best fit. I honestly had no choice as nothing else came close to fitting me like the Shoei so from my experience you're better off seeing what actually fits properly and if you have a choice you can narrow it down then.
arrr now that explains it!! I had a Arai Quantam e that I thought fit me perfectly but knew it was old & needed replacing, so tried on loads of lids and found that the Shoei fitted perfectly! bought the X Spirit 2.
couldn't believe the difference in weight! shoei so light ok bit noiseyer than old lid but that wearing plugs does the trick!!
got armed forces discount that knocked 10% off the price but then had a custom paint job put on it for £150!!! l
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Been through a few lids, and found that I need two. One for commuting and routine riding, and one for when I'm moving on. At the mo, I've a caberg and rsv for routine comfort and an old (well, i'ts done about 1000 miles) arai rx7 which is perfect at over 120. I bought it because I was sick of lids trying to lift off over my face, or pushing my then glasses back onto my face. All depends on the size of your nut and what you want the helmet for. Compromises again I suppose. I haven't tried any new ones in the last three years, but the key thing, although only if you've patience, is to keep the thing on in the shop for as long as you can stand looking like a fool, to see if it starts to put pressure on you anywhere on the bonce after 15 mins.
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This is making interesting reading, I've only ever bought one helmet, it's a Lazer Fiber D1. I bought it when I got my first bike, sales guy recommended it because it's composite. They stuck a pin lock on for me which I love and while I think it's loud, it's never leaked, seems to be quite good from a mist point of view (saying that I don't know what good and bad is) but I know that as long as I am moving over 30mph it clears a treat. Seems noisy, but I don't know what a quiet lid is, but I do wear earplugs because my ears used to ring after my 17 mile commute on 60/70 mph roads. Cost me about £140 just over 2 years ago.
Nice to hear that some of the makes/models I would look at for my next lid are far from perfect.
The problem with buying a lid is it can cost a fortune but there is no way of seeing how it performs before buying.
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Nice to hear that some of the makes/models I would look at for my next lid are far from perfect.
The problem with buying a lid is it can cost a fortune but there is no way of seeing how it performs before buying.
totally agree,I had only had 2 lids previously, a Nolan when I was 17 & an Arai when I was 30, therefore I spoke to quite a few mates with bikes that had different lids for their opinion and in the end settled for the best fit (Shoei) but because a) I wanted to have it custom painted & b) I'd had a small windfall, probably bought a lid that is way above what I need.
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The problem with buying a lid is it can cost a fortune but there is no way of seeing how it performs before buying.
http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/ (http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/)
gives you a safety rate but is limited
other than that its google/search engine of choice and read reviews and forums like this :P
everything i have read on the qwest seems to point to it being a good all round helm
but i think its going to cost a fair chunk by the time i added on the extras that i want. but at least i can add them over time.
I find a good hlem will last me about 4 years before i feel i need to replace it (unless droped/crashed)
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Picked up my new Shoie Qwest today and first impressions are focing good.
Its quieter than the AGV S4 but not what i would call Quiet. but very good all the same.
Comfort is very very good. the inner is soft but firm and grips well. nice and light as well, its prob only a few grams lighter than the agv but feels a lot more.
it has a wind guard for the chin area that helps and its the warmest helm i have owned for the neck/chin area.
may need to lose it in the summer though lol.
The pinloc is very good, its my first pinloc and i will use them again if they last well. even at traffic lights i could keep the visor closed and not mist up. and thats with all the helm vents closed. fantastic.
seems to have less buffeting than the AGV S4 as well but its hard to tell untill i ride in diff wind conditions.
the 1 thing i did find a little worse than the AGV was rain clearing from the visor.
in light rain it just didnt clear, in heavyer rain it was fine. its something i will have to keep an eye on.
i poped to a local race track and tested it up to 140 with no feeling like it was trying to lift off or pull and press anywhere.
overall i will say 9/10 on quality but a little pricey for me (most i have ever spent on a helm even though i know its not a "Expensive" helm as such.
But i can see the diff in quality and finish compaired to the likes of the AGV S4 and the caberg
a good purchase that im happy with so far.
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the sharp test is a bit misleading as a fiberglass nitro lid will stand up to the sharp test than a top shoei and the points of impact they use in the test is where most of the damage actualy happens not where the main impact in a crash would be be they test the sides where as the impact is normaly from the forehear across the crown and down the back
The SHARP test is misleading to say the least! It's nothing more than a government quango and has no real relevance on lid safety. The accident stats it's all based on are at best incomplete and inaccurate and at worst pure speculation.
A £50 POS plastic lid may get five stars right after it's rolled off the production line, but after a year of sitting on a dealer's shelves it may only score two, and after a few months of being outside in the sun, rain and pollution it wouldn't even reach bottom marks.
At the other end of the scale, you won't get a vastly superior lid by paying £500 for an Arai or shoei race-rep, as at least half of that money goes to pay for their gargantuan advertising costs rather than on the lid's development.
Fit is a major thing to bear in mind, you'll get far more protection from a well fitting £200 lid than you will from a badly fitting £400 lid.
Personally, for the money, I don't think you will find a better value lid than Reevu's MSX1 at the moment. £259 delivered (for the plain colours), same carbon/kevlar shell construction as the top of the range Jap lids, very comfy, very very quiet (quietest I've used in fact). Plus you get a working rear view mirror built into it (even if you never use this, it's still the best value lid on the market today).
If you want a flip-front, they will be launching one in the spring, so you won't have long to wait.
http://www.shinybikesyndrome.co.uk/cms/index.php/our-products/reevu-helmets (http://www.shinybikesyndrome.co.uk/cms/index.php/our-products/reevu-helmets)
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The problem with buying a lid is it can cost a fortune but there is no way of seeing how it performs before buying.
[url]http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/[/url] ([url]http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/[/url])
gives you a safety rate but is limited
other than that its google/search engine of choice and read reviews and forums like this :P
Or, have a few crashes.
I've had 4 crashes that have impact damaged my helmet, all on the track and all whilst wearing Arais and I wouldn't wear any other brand, mainly because it wouldn't make sense to change in my case, because they work for me and also because that company knows what they are doing and more pros wear them by choice than anything else.
If I had a personal reccomendation I would advise against a heavier than average helmet, remember the job of a lid is to disperse energy and a heavier helmet has by nature more kinetic energy to dissipate, which is bad. Helmets have traditionally got lighter and it's partly for this reason, heavy lids are a backward step.
One crash I had in my youth (whilst wearing an AGV KR replica with a cheap lexan visor) was a facial impact with the tarmac and that hurt a lot cos the visor caved in and gave me a bloody nose and lots of bruising. So I would also caution against buying a lid with a cheapo looking visor.
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I wear a Shoei xr1000 as well. Best bit, apart from its lght weight, is the fact that they have different sizes of chhek pad. I was in between small and medium though the head fit was good. They swapped the cheek pads for some larger ones and sorted it. Had it a couple of years now and it's still waterproof and I love the pinlock anti mist, especially as I wear specs. Visor removal is a piece of cake as well.
Taksi
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Well my AVG S4 stealth has finaly started to leak and just getting a bit tatty. had it 4 years now and have got on well with it. been wellfitting and no real issues with it realy.
I also have a spare Caberg flip that i hardly use. its to loud and gets a lot of buffeting for some reason.
I like the idea of Flip's but are they all loud and unaerodymanic?
I also like the idea of Bluetooth built in, but that dose seem to limit the choices on helms.
As im at the NEC on the 27th im gunna take a look around to get an idea on fit and comfort, but what do you guys think about helms? I have a MAX of £250 but would prefer £150
gota look ok and be fairly quiet. blue tooth would be a bonus.
Dangerous thinking there Ghosty. Your lid should be the one piece of kit you spend a lot on. Only get one head.
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I like caberg flips, My favourite is an old J1+ not as steeply a curved visor as my later trip,so i find the the veiw more natural. My partner has and I sometimes use a J1S! These are all good value helmets and fit us well , noise is a very subjective experience but with earplugs not an issue certainly not worth spending huge lumps of dosh. you pays yer money etc
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Dangerous thinking there Ghosty. Your lid should be the one piece of kit you spend a lot on. Only get one head.
Yes, buy the best lid you can afford, but do like I did when I saved myself £75 by buying a Shoei XR-1000 with a plain silver finish instead of a fancy paint job (which may look cool, but won't do anything to protect you!)
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those xr 1000 are excellent lids. i'd like a rutter copy. i suppose the other way to get a decent lid at a decent price is to get the previous years colors. i saw some awesome lids at the george white centre in slough (think it's closed now), going very cheaply indeed a couple of years ago.
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Fit is a major thing to bear in mind.....................
.................................... £259 delivered
Its a bit of an old thread to reply to but was linked in a recent thread, but how do you find out if a helmet fits if you buy it on the internet? You could go down your local shop, try them all on, then buy from an internet shop cheaper, but I'd feel a **** doing that. If you buy stuff regularly from your local shop they are more likely to give you a bit of discount, and you usually get a better service.
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Has anyone got experience of the newer helments with the drop down sun visors built in? I've seen some Shark ones on their website. Seems a good idea as you dont have to stop to change visors over when the sun goes in/comes out.
The pinlock system & quick change system like on my Shoei XR1000 is top notch, a sun visor system could be an equally good feature.
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For me the only way to buy a helmet (like shoes/boots) is to go into the shop and try them on for fit & comfort. Some things in life I wont scrimp on like protective rider gear and tyres & brakes.
My Shoei multitec is 4 years old & has always been comfortable-for wind noise I use earplugs. & the Pinlock visor is fantastic-no misting problems. Think I paid £285 (discounted) @ J&S.
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Phil, try a Nolan n85 flip down sun visor and pinlock as standard £199 from HG
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I guess/hope by the time I need a new helmet they will all have a model with a flip down sun visor. I was wondering if they actually worked ok, although I cant think why they shouldn't.
One plus for Shoei, a friend has one and at Brands BSB the pinlock fittings had loosened and it fogged up on the way in. She blagged her way into the inner paddock where the Shoei service van was and they dried the helmet out, cleaned and adjusted everything free of charge.
James Hillier had to wait his turn :lol
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I was wondering if they actually worked ok, although I cant think why they shouldn't.
I've heard that the external type have a bad habit of coming off if it gets too windy.
Personally I just stick a couple of strips of electrical tape across the top of the visor which doesn't obscure the view, but means that you can just tip your head down a bit to cut out the sun, and then, if needed, wear sunglasses inside to deal with the any glare etc.