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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: Camshaft on 14 July 2013, 08:58:56 am
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The manual for this bike says 21 litres of fuel plus 4 for the reserve.[/size]My last bike was a suzy GS500E and the petcock had a reserve position.In the Gen 1 Thou is the something like this to switch over to reserve if you have run out of fuel?Fortunately when running out of fuel I had enough momentum to roll up to a guy shovelling dirt and woodchips into his ute and he offered me a ride to get some gas. We took turns on the shovel naturally.I have been very low before and put in 20 litres but where is that 4 I keep asking myself. By the way when I do refuel I stop the nozzle when the level hits the bottom of the tank inlet pipe.
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The tanks holds 21 litres of which 4 are the reserve, there is no valve to turn so really the tank holds 21 litres period. I think the reserve idea is when the fuel gauge light comes on. To be honest I have never had to pput in more than 17 litres but then I don't want to run out cos theres large gaps between fuel stops out here!!
Tommo
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There is no "reserve".
The fuel warning light comes on and you have around 20/30 miles to refill.
If you have not got a working light the you can blame the bike if you have then.....
The tank will hold at least 22.1 litres even when still running. I got that in mine when running on the light for 35 miles.
The pump cuts out to stop fuel overflowing - to fully fill the tank, pull the end of the pump out of the body of the tank and then dribble the last 2 litres in to brim the tank via the space in the tank neck. Yamaha say not to fill that high but I always did.
Whale
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Excellent guys. Now it makes sense.
I thought that 4 litres was hiding in a magical space in some part of the bike. That space was the void in my head!!!!
On a side note...........
Got to love the 8 to 10.5K power range in these bikes. I absolutely smoked a 675 speed triple the other day.
Older tech grunt Vs new age tech.
There is no replacement for displacement :lol :lol :lol :lol
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There is no replacement for displacement
Brilliant words mate
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If you ride like a granny when the fuel light comes on you can easily get 60+ miles
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Got to love the 8 to 10.5K power range in these bikes. I absolutely smoked a 675 speed triple the other day.
Older tech grunt Vs new age tech.
There is no replacement for displacement :lol :lol :lol :lol
May be so, but it is a lot more fun and satisfying smoking one on the 600 Fazer especially when he has all the knee down antics. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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The tank will hold at least 22.1 litres even when still running. I got that in mine when running on the light for 35 miles.
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Next time you try putting that much fuel in, have a look at the puddle on the ground under your right foot. There is an overflow pipe in the tank, and it is there for a reason.
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I 've managed to get 22.5 L in mine and guess what..... No puddles and haven't been arrested by the fuel police yet but, would really like one of your bollockings too. :D
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I 've managed to get 22.5 L in mine and guess what..... No puddles and haven't been arrested by the fuel police yet but, would really like one of your bollockings too. :D
22.5L in a 21L tank, you wont get a bollocking from me son! On the contrary, all I can do is bestow some of the awesome respect that you so clearly deserve for being such a hard ass that the laws of physics snivel and shy away when you approach. Would you mind sharing the name of the garage where you acheived this stunning feat of hard-ass-ness so that us mere mortals will know to avoid it for fear insulting your honour and dignity by inadvertantly attempting to repeat your heroic feat.
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:lol Hmm, never really looked at it like that but thank you for the deserved recognition. :thumbup
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Ah, but when Yamaha say it's a 21-litre tank, are they leaving a bit of leeway because you're not supposed to fill it right to the brim? Plus, I don't know how they make the tanks, but would every single one be exactly the same capacity?
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Think they use the same technique as glass blowing. So, if someone's got really big lungs, you're gonna get a really big tank. Now that's got me wondering, paulsmith, have you been using all that hot air to blow some oversized tanks. ?
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I think Yamaha are slightly more likely to use metal press forming then glassblowing techniques, but that said, a lot of teams at the TT races, after they got their bikes through scrutiny, would use an airgun to 'pop' the tank, expanding it by an extra litre. Maybe a previous owner of your bike as done the same? Do your knee recesses bulge excessivly? Does your tank fit very badly?
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I think Yamaha are slightly more likely to use metal press forming then glassblowing techniques, but that said, a lot of teams at the TT races, after they got their bikes through scrutiny, would use an airgun to 'pop' the tank, expanding it by an extra litre. Maybe a previous owner of your bike as done the same? Do your knee recesses bulge excessivly? Does your tank fit very badly?
What a load of bollocks! :eek
You have two people that have never even spoke to each other confirming they put over 22 L in their tank without overflow. Why do you continue to believe that Yamaha print the truth?
If you would care to press your theory I have a FZS1000 in the shop now and will gladly run it low and fill it in front of your very eyes. It will take at least 22 L and not a drop will be spilled - the loser pays for the juice.
With a pedantic streak like this, I reckon you must be related to my missus!
By the way, the 100 mph Yamaha put on the speedo ain't really 100 mph either... :lol
And I don't recall seeing any Fazers doing the TT either. :rollin
Whale
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Actually, on that you are wrong,,,
Where's that picture of the FZS 600 doing the TT now!
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(http://media.moterus.es/photos/1153492/MurphyatGovernors_thumb_l.jpg)
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Oh yes! and excellent fuel economy to boot!
(http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2144.0;attach=1123;image)
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The original "do it all" bike!
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Oh yes! and excellent fuel economy to boot!
Yeah, and no refueling stop necessary for the 4 laps :lol
Just to end all the silly talk about tank size. :rolleyes
Yamaha give the tank capacity up to the bottom of the filler neck (No 1 in the attached picture). Yamaha do not recommend filling above the filler neck as they say it is there to allow for expansion, but if you do it will take anothe 1 to 2 litres depending on the model.
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What a load of bollocks! :eek
You have two people that have never even spoke to each other confirming they put over 22 L in their tank without overflow. Why do you continue to believe that Yamaha print the truth?
If you would care to press your theory I have a FZS1000 in the shop now and will gladly run it low and fill it in front of your very eyes. It will take at least 22 L and not a drop will be spilled - the loser pays for the juice.
With a pedantic streak like this, I reckon you must be related to my missus!
By the way, the 100 mph Yamaha put on the speedo ain't really 100 mph either... :lol
And I don't recall seeing any Fazers doing the TT either. :rollin
Whale
Ha! My dad can beat up your dad, and he can get 25L into a 21 litre tank.
Seriously though, the original theme of this thread was some one overfilling at the pump, and then someone else claiming they could get even more in. Because of the filler neck design, it is possible to put a little bit more in, but when you do, it comes out the overflow.
If you are unlucky enough to use a garage that overcharges for its petrol by using short measures, then unless you know how much you should be able to hold, they can get away with it for years. If you have the ability to drain and refill a tank with measured amounts. Why don't you do it and share the results.
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What a load of bollocks! :eek
You have two people that have never even spoke to each other confirming they put over 22 L in their tank without overflow. Why do you continue to believe that Yamaha print the truth?
If you would care to press your theory I have a FZS1000 in the shop now and will gladly run it low and fill it in front of your very eyes. It will take at least 22 L and not a drop will be spilled - the loser pays for the juice.
With a pedantic streak like this, I reckon you must be related to my missus!
By the way, the 100 mph Yamaha put on the speedo ain't really 100 mph either... :lol
And I don't recall seeing any Fazers doing the TT either. :rollin
Whale
Ha! My dad can beat up your dad, and he can get 25L into a 21 litre tank.
Seriously though, the original theme of this thread was some one overfilling at the pump, and then someone else claiming they could get even more in. Because of the filler neck design, it is possible to put a little bit more in, but when you do, it comes out the overflow.
If you are unlucky enough to use a garage that overcharges for its petrol by using short measures, then unless you know how much you should be able to hold, they can get away with it for years. If you have the ability to drain and refill a tank with measured amounts. Why don't you do it and share the results.
Well not really, as they're relatively regularly checked by an independant service, and the fines for underselling petrol are huge.
Just as an arguing point I did do this with my ZX9R when i drained the tank of dodgy petrol, claimed capacity was 19L, and I got just over 20.5 in without a drop coming out of the overflow pipe.
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Usually fill mine to well up the neck, on side stand tho. Who's gonna try filling that far on centre stand, then leave the bike in hot sunshine? :lol
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Usually fill mine to well up the neck, on side stand tho. Who's gonna try filling that far on centre stand, then leave the bike in hot sunshine? :lol
It takes all sorts :eek
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Ha! My dad can beat up your dad, and he can get 25L into a 21 litre tank.
Seriously though, the original theme of this thread was some one overfilling at the pump, and then someone else claiming they could get even more in. Because of the filler neck design, it is possible to put a little bit more in, but when you do, it comes out the overflow.
If you are unlucky enough to use a garage that overcharges for its petrol by using short measures, then unless you know how much you should be able to hold, they can get away with it for years. If you have the ability to drain and refill a tank with measured amounts. Why don't you do it and share the results.
Well at least you are consistent - more bollocks! :lol
The original post was about someone running out of fuel and not about overfilling which only became a point after you introduced it. Try to stay with us here eh? :rolleyes
Secondly, you CAN fill the tank to the brim without a drop spilling down the overflow so that statement is also bollocks.
Someone else answered your third bollocks statement about short measures - trading standards measure them regularly
As for measuring the tank, there is no point as the answer will be "more than 21 litres" which was what I said originally and you then tried to make out was a fool for saying say so. I think you will find that a grasp of the facts is always advantageous when attempting to ridicule someone else's point of view. To do otherwise simply makes you look ill informed and rude.
As for filling up the tank and leaving in the sun (not your bollocks this time....), most people I know ride their bike away from the filling station after buying fuel - a couple of miles leaves an air gap as fuel is used.
I must say that you have impressive repertoire - there seems to be an endless stream of things you know fuck all about but are equipped to debate about at length.
The nights must just fly by in your house.... :z
Some advice to consider - when finding oneself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.
I should know better than to argue with an idiot, they always bring me down to their level and then beat me with experience.
I give up - the world is flat after all.
Whale
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Usually fill mine to well up the neck, on side stand tho. Who's gonna try filling that far on centre stand, then leave the bike in hot sunshine? :lol
As for filling up the tank and leaving in the sun (not your bollocks this time....), most people I know ride their bike away from the filling station after buying fuel - a couple of miles leaves an air gap as fuel is used.
Whale
Erm, I said leave the bike in hot sunshine after filling up. And it was merely in jest :) The whole damn argument is pointless anyway :rolleyes
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indeed, a completely pointless debate ...! :lol
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The wars go on :eek
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The tank will hold at least 22.1 litres even when still running. I got that in mine when running on the light for 35 miles.
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Next time you try putting that much fuel in, have a look at the puddle on the ground under your right foot. There is an overflow pipe in the tank, and it is there for a reason.
Your original bollocks, and my original response to it. You brought up tank capacity, with a nice big bold statement of fact. Of course it must be right because you have said it is. No mention of the possibility of overflowing or shortchanging, and not even much help to the original poster, but none the less, The Whale hath spoken!
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Next time you try putting that much fuel in, have a look at the puddle on the ground under your right foot. There is an overflow pipe in the tank, and it is there for a reason.
Your original bollocks, and my original response to it. You brought up tank capacity, with a nice big bold statement of fact. Of course it must be right because you have said it is. No mention of the possibility of overflowing or shortchanging, and not even much help to the original poster, but none the less, The Whale hath spoken!
You seem to have reached rock bottom and are continuing to dig.
My nice statement of fact was based on my personal experience and not what "I read in a book". There was no spillage and there was no short measure.
You still seem to doubt that fact and are therefore inferring, again, that I am a liar. I do not take kindly to that from someone I don't know.
After many years on this forum where I have learned a lot more from listening to advice based on others experiences than from any reading of books, I think you, sadly, are missing the point of these forum - they are to listen and exchange opinions based on what others have learned through hard earned experience.
I rarely express an opinion unless I am pretty sure what I am saying is a fact and, therefore, relevant to those that may want to expand their knowledge. Where I have been wrong, and there have been times, I have listened to the points made carefully and changed my opinion - this is called "learning" from others who know more.
Anyway, I refuse to enter a battle of wits with an unarmed man so will make this my last post on the subject.
To those who state that this is a pointless argument then I agree - the issue is clearly made BUT I ask you to consider YOUR responses if ridiculed publicly for daring to print a fact.
Paul, if you would care to pm me with your address and contact number, I will gladly pop along and we can debate the issue of inferring I am a liar in person - You may rest assured that I am more than keen to put you straight on what is acceptable to put in print on a public forum when you repeat it to my face.
Whale
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Foccing hell, it's only a litre or 2 of petrol FFS! :lol
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First thought - time to stop the arguing before it gets out of hand.
Second thought - carry on, it's a hoot!
Third thought - if carrying on, at least keep it funny/civil.
Fourth thought (and now I need a rest!) - quite right JZS, all over a litre or two of petrol!
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I am sorry you think I suggested you are a liar, that was never my intention. Nothing I have seen you say or imply has ever shown any deliberate attempt at dishonesty.
That you are an idiot, there is no doubt, but no, you are not a liar.
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Oooh what a load of hot air. To the OP - when the little orange light in your clocks starts glowing fill up at the next opportunity. If you believe the next opportunity is more than 35 miles away ride slowly and gently.
Personally I have never got more than 40 miles after the light - but then again I haven't tried.
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I'm just waiting to see who runs out of "Fuel" first. :lol
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Lets pour some petrol on it!
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I'm thinking of making a custom built fuel side pannier.
When the reserve light goes on I won't give a fuck about how close the next garage is :evil
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Where's that picture of the fishing trawler when you need it.
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I wouldn't worry about whether the tank holds 20 or 21 Litres or even 22 at a push. The point is that both the Fazer FZS 1000 & the 02/03 600 Foxeye have a decent tank size unlike a lot of modern bikes where practicality takes a back seat to the design & fashion "gurus". When you get to my age stopping for fuel is the least of your worries-its more a case of wheres the loo! :lol
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Yep, wouldn't want any more tank range. Stopping for a piss, a coffee and a fag, stretching the legs - especially if you come across a good café - all makes a ride more enjoyable, not to mention bearable. It's not as if I'm ever going to want to cross a desert on my Fazer!
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Still waiting for that address big man. :lol
Whale
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Still waiting for that address big man. :lol
Whale
He must have run out of fuel :rollin
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Still waiting for that address big man. :lol
Whale
PM sent with name and address. Let me know your preferred tipple and I will make sure I have some in stock.
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4 star :lol
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PM sent with name and address. Let me know your preferred tipple and I will make sure I have some in stock.
Freaking Ireland!!!! FFS! :rollin
Whale
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My 2 pence on this, if riding a Gen 2 FZ1 and your reserve light starts flashing - panic! :rollin
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PM sent with name and address. Let me know your preferred tipple and I will make sure I have some in stock.
Freaking Ireland!!!! FFS! :rollin
Whale
Great, you could make a holiday out of it and you can check your fuel tank size with the cheaper fuel over here :eek Where in Ireland and I can go to watch and/or listen to the debate ? :lol
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Good road racing action in Ireland!
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The 17th of August would be good date, :thumbup we could all watch the UGP at Flow Bog and then head to the pub to watch and/or listen to the debate. :lol
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Great thread this!! Ha ha!!, Two bobs worth fwiw, once managed to run out of fuel on my gen1, Doh!!!, got to a garage and filled up to brim on centre stand and got exactly 21 litres in it, funny enough i was quite suprised that i got in the exact amount of fuel in that it says in the manual it would hold, i thought i would have got a bit more in but there you go.
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You must have been two sips away from running out of juice! I once took my tank off to rid it of old fuel and shook it every way possible to let it drain out of the cock (you know what I mean :lol ) Really hard to get it all out.
I remember on my old Suzy GS500E the fuel pick up was on the right side so if the engine stated sputtering you could ride the bike leaning to the right to get you to some fuel.
Must have looked very strange to people behind me when going straight ahead :eek
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I ran out of fuel on my ZX-6 once. Thought I'll just jump off and flick the fuel tap to reserve. Had a look at the tap position.....
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Oh well, the garage was only a couple of miles up the road, and I got a lot of support from car drivers! As long as getting tooted up is the same as support.....
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I can get 23.5 litres in.....
Ooh this is gonna spice things up!! :D