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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: Loz on 21 June 2013, 08:28:07 pm
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Yes its me again with yet another question :rolleyes , When my clutch is pulled in slowly it sort of judders, almost like its sticking, we have taken it out and checked it, it looks fine made sure its completely lubed up but made no difference, is it a normal trait of these bikes or should i look at a new clutch cable?
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Not normal, no. If you're sure that the cable is free-moving and lubed, check the clutch lever pivot and then the actuating arm on top of the clutch housing.
My guess is that it's the cable, though ... they do get sticky with age if not properly cared for and I suspect the outer cable linings deteriorate with time.
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over time the inner cable wears as it is plastic coated, water can then get in causing corrosion and you get a sticky action, also over time the clutch will get heavier but you wont notice it as it happens slowly, disconnecting the cable wont show any problems as it will in most cases only show under load, lubricating wont work as the cable is plastic coated.
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Thanks very much all, new cable ordered :)
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Thanks very much all, new cable ordered :)
I hope it's not too late, but don't order a pattern cable, total waste of money (as I found last week). Go get the proper Yamaha one.
They really are premier league in operation compared to the copies out there. Now if anyone actually want's one of these I have one sat in the packet tried for two minutes before swapping it over for the genuine article :(
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yep...i have the same problem with mine....only slight at the moment but will need doing ;) .
thanks for the tip marcusfordus :)
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Thanks very much all, new cable ordered :)
I hope it's not too late, but don't order a pattern cable, total waste of money (as I found last week). Go get the proper Yamaha one.
They really are premier league in operation compared to the copies out there. Now if anyone actually want's one of these I have one sat in the packet tried for two minutes before swapping it over for the genuine article :(
X2 - don't get the pattern one, absolute waste of money. The OE is pricey but way better.
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Damn only just read it, already ordered and despatched :rolleyes ahh well you live and learn at least when its crap i'll know its not anything i have done!!
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Cheer one fitted! and yep absolutely no difference at all ....damn !
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Cheer one fitted! and yep absolutely no difference at all ....damn !
out of interest LOZ......price and makers name for the cheap one ?....anyone know how much for a yam one ?
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Last time I looked, and this was a few years ago, Yamaha wanted about 70, yes, seventy quid for a gen 1 thou cable! :eek
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Red98.....it was a TSX from a company called AW motorcycle off eBay and it was £15.99
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Red98.....it was a TSX from a company called AW motorcycle off eBay and it was £15.99
thanks LOZ...and thanks NICK CRISP for the yam price :eek ....see why you went for the cheap one.....surprised you did`nt feel any inprovement with the replacement cable ...
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So was I, expected at least a small improvement, there is the chance that it's not the cable at all, it all works fine just feels weird so will probably leave it for now, just hate not knowing what's wrong :rolleyes
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I've found an incorrectly adjusted chain can cause the kind of judders you describe, maybe worth checking.
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just hate not knowing what's wrong :rolleyes
i know exactly what you mean :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
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I've found an incorrectly adjusted chain can cause the kind of judders you describe, maybe worth checking.
Dont think its that, the clutch was like it when i got the bike and i have fitted new chain and sprocket since and the chain tension has been checked but local mechanic too, just because it wasnt as straight forward as usual to get the tension right (huge difference between being on centre stand and being sat on it )
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OK, forgive me for crap terminology, but I'm gettin' old...lever on clutch cover - shaft - the shaft runs in a bearing if I remember rightly - corroded bearing?
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Addendum to the above...or worn/dry bearing/shaft? Worn or dry oil seal that the shaft goes through? Might need a clean up and a good dab of grease? I take it the clutch lever (handlebar end) pivot is not worn and is greased sufficiently?
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good points nick...worth checking ;)
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Checked these yet Loz? Start with the clutch lever pivot pin (h/bar end). I've had this before, the pin gets flats worn on it, giving you the jerkiness you describe. My money's on this, so it's probably cheap and easy to deal with.
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Being of the female variety I have not got a clue :lol I will ask OH when he gets in from flying, and answer this, I am sure it's one of the things he said but in this house it's definitely a 'blue' job :rolleyes Will get back to you within the hour
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Ok, he has returned.... He is actually quite excited, he hadn't actually thought of that, so thanks I will let you know if it works :thumbup
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Oh, just checked the full thread, Mike has already mentioned this, so credit to him if it works! Sorry Mike!
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I am sorry too, I must have missed that one ! Oh is going to look after work tonight
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No apology needed, guys. I wasn't aware of the thing about flats getting worn on the pivot so that's a good call and one worth looking at more closely. :)
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Pivot pin is fine, still searching, maybe the clutch itself?, not causing any problem at the moment just annoying not knowing lol
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When I first tried just lubing the pivot pin, it made little difference but wear can be minor and difficult to see. Used a bit of wet & dry to clean it up, was much better. Also look to see if there is any "oval-ing" going on in the lever bracket where the pin goes through. I would still replace the pin first before going to the clutch end of things, as it's cheap and may still fix the problem. If this is all OK, don't jump straight to clutch internals just yet. Look at the clutch actuator shaft in the clutch cover as also suggested in this thread, including bearing and seal. If you have the facilities, you can get the bike over on it's side to remove the clutch cover (saves draining the oil at this stage). Don't do this whilst on centre stand tho', you'll over-stress the stand. You should get a new clutch cover gasket before you remove the cover tho', just in case it gets damaged during removal.
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Thanks Nick, yes clutch actuator shaft is what my OH meant just couldnt think of the name! but if you disconnect the clutch cable from the actuator shaft and using force with both hands it feels perfectly smooth in operation which makes him wonder? maybe its when the clutch cable is atatched to it which sends the judder to the lever.
It has got a brand new clutch lever but looked tonight and the bushing and the pin felt and looked like new. Its not that bad just a bit annoying maybe i am being over fussy lol, i will wait until i have another FZS in front of me and play with their clutch :rolleyes Thanks for all your help much appreciated :)