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General => General => Topic started by: Lawrence on 18 June 2013, 08:05:02 pm
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I was thinking about this on the way home after seeing a bloke in a turban riding an R1. If you didn't have to wear one by law, would you?
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I started riding bikes before helmets became compulsory but still wore one all the time. Getting hit in the face by a bumble bee at about 20mph while riding across a field before I was old enough to ride on the road convinced me that riding without anything covering my face was a stupid thing to do. As helmets had visors, wearing one seemed to be the intelligent thing to do.
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Its a no brainer
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Yuckie
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Getting hit in the face by a bumble bee at about 20mph
I did that whilst filtering on the m6 with my visor up, a great big moth or gnat tw@ed me right between the eyes. It hit so hard I saw stars for a second or two!
So no, I don't think I would ride without my lid. I'd get knocked out by insects!::)
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I definitely would, but does this make me a hypocrite because I'd happily drive a car without a seat belt.
Up until recently I had a 1964 Vauxhall Victor with a bench seat and no belts which I'd drive all day.
Having said that, if a car had belts fitted I'd always wear them.
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I also passed before you had to wear one but I rode horses too and would never have ridden that without anything on my head to I suppose that had a bearing on it, certainly wouldn't now, even now I can't understand how I managed with an open face helmet lol
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It would be nice to do some low speed maneuvering without a helmet, which is technically illegal. Especially on hot days. No more than about 10/15 mph.
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always!
when i had my "off", i still remember the tarmac sliding along just the other side of my visor. if I had no helmet, I would only have half a face left
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always!
when i had my "off", i still remember the tarmac sliding along just the other side of my visor. if I had no helmet, I would only have half a face left
I don't remember most of my accident, presumably because my head bounced off the ground. If I'd not had one on I'm sure the damage would've been much worse than a few seconds of memory missing.
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I would gladly ditch the lid on the odd ride out etc
Only used to use a lid on the trike if I was on a long trip or fast ride.
99% of the time I would still wear but the choice should be mine.
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I've ridden lidless no end of times , on Fred Hill runs on way back from the pub (back in the day) and various other times.
If I have a crash, its my fault regardless of circumstances
I choose to ride a bike and not travel in a safety cage.
If I wanted to be safe I wouldn't get on a bike in the first place.
I mean who in their right mind would ????
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It would be nice to do some low speed maneuvering without a helmet, which is technically illegal. Especially on hot days. No more than about 10/15 mph.
I've done that at Slow Riding training events (on a private car park), although it's interesting that, if you're used to a lid and earplugs, you over-estimate your speed because the engine sounds are louder.
At any other time I'd wear a helmet without question, however I think it should be a matter of personal choice since it's pretty much only your own life you're risking.
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As a youngster rode a few times without but the first time I got hit in the face by a bumblebee I started to wear one all the time. Have a friend who is stuck in a sixties time warp-doesn't acknowledge bikes were built after heyday of BSA empire-let alone riding gear-still wears his much dropped open-face helmet without visor, but I suppose it depends how much value you put on your "grey matter"? There is another point at issue here: The cost of treating brain injuries that might have been avoided by wearing proper head gear. Re seatbelts-I see people driving without but guess they lack imagination at best or are totally stupid!! Remember seeing most horrific car crashes where people had been thrown through windscreen or had their rib cages crushed by steering wheel-there was terrible carnage on the roads before seat belts were fitted & made compulsory. I owe my life to a belt -all I sustained was bruised ribs along the diagonal line of the belt & a stiff neck for a couple of days. The car was totalled but I walked away to tell the tale.
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I'd always wear one, I think it's a sensible precaution considering how little give concrete has.
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Im with Raz - given the choice I wouldn't wear a lid - but it should be up to me to choose
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My accident involved me going through the back windscreen of a Vauxhall Cavalier......don't think I'd be here without a helmet
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I have never known a bike world without lids, but I like to wear mine. I use an open face lid when going into town/work and a full face for ride outs. I find them comfy. I don't even like having no gloves or boots on, it makes me feel exposed. I think compusory helmets are a good thing. I am pro-choice for most things, but what is the benefit of not wearing a lid? Think of the poor paramedic, fire fighter or police officer that has to scoop your tiny wee brain off the road if you crash without one! An open face lid is a really good alternative to not wearing one at all, but still with some level of protection.
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going back a few years I slid off on my RD250 and I slid under a marina van, I actually head butted the rear axle and my head did hit the tarmac a few times, my helmet was actually touching the floor when I made contact with the van, the RD missed me by an inch with the handlebars punching an hole into the fuel tank, I walked away with concussion and a seriously bruised leg which I think I was very lucky to escape with just that, I was at work the next day!!
so the moral of my incident was the helmet did save my life, but had the van been any lower by about 2mm the helmet would have killed me as I would have made contact with the angle iron tow bar fitted to the van.
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Absolutely. And aside from crash protection, looking at my visor as I write this, if I hadn't worn one, all those bugs would be splatted on my face. No thanks!
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I do and always would, re the personal choice thought if you die it effects more people than you in so many ways so I think its right to be law :)
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eggheads--nuff said on that one. :pc
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I started as helmets came in. I was with the its my head brigade, but nowdays I wouldn't go out without one.
Power in even the mid range bikes is more than what was exotic machinery then and there 5 times as many cars on the road now. The odds are stacked to high to go without.
Although the bollocks about expensive lids being safer than cheap ones makes me laugh. Check out the Sharp testing shows how much rubbish there is in that theory.
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I do and always would, re the personal choice thought if you die it effects more people than you in so many ways so I think its right to be law :)
I do not directly endanger anyone else on the road if I do not wear a helmet - if indirectly affecting people was used as justification we wouldn't be allowed to drink , smoke , eat red meat , and do any dangerous pass times
And as for the firemen and paramedics - boo hoo - thats what they are paid for
! Lol
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There is another point at issue here: The cost of treating brain injuries that might have been avoided by wearing proper head gear.
If you're going to go down that route, you should include the cost of treating every accidental injury that might have been mitigated had someone been wearing protective gear. Tripped over a kerb? Hurt your knee? Should have been wearing knee pads...
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:agree
any accident involving a bike is is going to result in avoidable injuries even if the rider has leather helmet gloves turtle shell and all the other gear.
Lets be honest here people :rolleyes
How many people do
you know in cars that walk away from sliding on diesel, loose stuff, or hitting an animal on the road.
How many bikers do you know hospitalized from the same things happening to them.
conduct a risk full assessment and you will never get on a bike again lol
forgot to put the link in lol
http://www.bikersrights.com/statistics/twisting.html (http://www.bikersrights.com/statistics/twisting.html)
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And as for the firemen and paramedics - boo hoo - thats what they are paid for
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LOL? Really, were you laughing out loud at your stupid statement? I would guess you have never seen someone burst open, but I assure you it's not very nice and lives with you. I wonder how YOU would deal with seeing that? The fewer times "these people that get paid for it" have to attend such incidents, the better. And FYI, that is not what emergency services are paid for. They are there to help people, not scoop them into black bags and go tell their wives that they are widowed (although maybe some would be better off!)
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cmon guys - no need for a full blown argument over this.
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Whilst I agree people need to act responsible there are horses for courses I regularly ride in India where the roads are crowded with bikes the average speed is around 20mph and less than 1% wear a lid lid are only wore on the highway I would feel unsafe in a lid with the restricted view
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I do and always would, re the personal choice thought if you die it effects more people than you in so many ways so I think its right to be law :)
I do not directly endanger anyone else on the road if I do not wear a helmet - if indirectly affecting people was used as justification we wouldn't be allowed to drink , smoke , eat red meat , and do any dangerous pass times
And as for the firemen and paramedics - boo hoo - thats what they are paid for
! Lol
First the cost to the economy is huge around a million firna fatal and would you like to deliver the death message !!!
I see the point re drinking and smoking but drinking is limited in certain ways smoking has warnings and age restrictions and both have a huge cost for the country even with the tax.
Its a hard one but i stand by my reasoning though :)
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:lurk
been waiting for that reply :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I always wear a lid and wouldn't ride without one. They prevent minor accidents becoming major ones - the time I high sided off my VFR750 going round Marble Arch on diesel at about 25mph. I came down on my front and smashed the chin bar completely - left me dazed and with a good headache for a couple of days. Without a lid I'd have suffered some nasty facial injuries.
And my father-in-law was an underwriter for a major insurance company. His view was that if helmets were made optional then all the insurance companies would ask in the quote stage whether you intend to ride the bike without a crash helmet. If you answer "yes" then you'd either face a huge premium or be refused insurance.
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I definitely would wear a lid everytime I'm out on the bike (despite accidentally voting "no chance" in this poll -- can an admin correct that please?)
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For your info Ive seen more burst and dead bodies than you can imagine - I have been an opperational full time firefighter for 26 years now - hense the lol - so calm down and get off you high horse yer wee prick!
With spelling and grammar like that I had you down for a doctor. Or a journalist.
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= No - drunk and grumpy
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I love the way cost is always used as an arguement.
I wear a helmet and try and avoid accidents but have seen a few over the years. I haven't had to scrape someone off the tarmac, likewise I haven't had to peel a burned body off a car seat or walk along a railway track and pick up body parts etc.
I chose when I was younger to earn my money building vehicles, I could have been a soldier (if I hadn't been banned from enlisting) and probably seen nasty things, or I could have been a paramedic/ambulance driver and seen nasty things. Like most things in life that is a matter of personal choice so why does that give people who did the right to the moral high ground.
If you don't like what you see as a paramedic and feel that the people deserve what they get for being idiots then surely you picked the wrong job.
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if you had to wear a turban would you? :lol
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Stick by it Chris, its all cushty man
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Obviously seeing all those dead bodies has affected you. It seems to have impaired your ability to construct a grammatically correct and legible sentence. Shame, but never mind “yer” retard.
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Ah another nice relaxing debate.
You know when this sort of stuff comes up I can't help thinking aboot some of the folks I see out on the road.
Now first I'm gonna touch wood. I'm no angel, I like to give it a bit of welly now and again, quite often more now than again, but I try to keep my brain engaged at the same time, I say try.
But I've done quite a few long drives in the last year on my hill walking trips, and in the summer months, well the behaviour, attitude and riding style of some of the bikers on highland roads has to be seen to be believed. Yeah we've all seen it. It's a minority, but you might say a sizeable minority - you know on those certain days they all crawl out of the wood work. But we all get tarred with the same brush.
And those guys, well if things go wrong I'm not sure that all their fancy multi coloured power ranger suit, Arai hat etc will be any use to em at all.
Anyway I do remember riding off down the road a few years back, and I'm thinking - something ain't right here - you know that funny feeling. I came to the junction at the end of the road, stopped and scratched my heid. Ah, doh, I forgot to stick ma lid on. Aboot turn and back tae the hoose.
Here another thought. I used to cycle quite a bit. The hill doon tae Lochranza on Arran is a cracker. Used to overtake the cars on the narrow twisting single track road and see well over 50mph on the push bike. Just wearing lycra and a bit o polystyrene on ma heid.
Sure if there was no helmet law, yup I'd certainly pop down tae the shops etc without a lid. Keep the speed down, short distances only.
And what I fear is, with all these gear police aboot noo, telling us we must wear x,y and z. Well it's just inviting legislation. And if it ends up being enforced and my license is threatened by not wearing whatever I have to wear, well the lid that lid that I've accepted I have to wear when oot on my bike might get hung up for one last time. I mean what will be the point in riding a bike if it's dictated to you what you have to wear.
Blah blah blah.
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dunno about on the bike im wearing mine reading these posts
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I would always wear one
I feel "naked" if I don't put a seat belt on when in the car......strange as I don't feel that way when in work in the truck
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As I've only ever ridden since the introduction of the "helmet law", I've no idea what it's like to ride with my helmet off. I dare say fi the law was abolished tomorrow, I would probably try it, just the once to see how it feels. I must admit though, the thought of all the flies, bees, and other bugs in my face doesn't appeal massively. maybe on the odd short trip just in 20/30mph zones, but certainly never on the dual carriageway or motorway for me.
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I would always wear one
I feel "naked" if I don't put a seat belt on when in the car......strange as I don't feel that way when in work in the truck
But it's still law to where one in the truck and any major company will dismiss you off you are caught
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I did it last night. Wearing a t shirt, shorts and flip flops too. Just about managed to get into second gear. I'd ride down the shops without a lid. Would not do my commute though (I even started wearing a cycle helmet for this commute on the push bike as the roads are busy).
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I always think of eggs. If I was an egg on a motorbike (obviously an egg with arms and legs that can ride a motor bike) would humpty like to fall off with a crash helmet or not (regardless of if I was hard boiled or not).
Nuff said.
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That last post surely deserves a custom title? Haha
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I tried it once in Spain a few years ago before they were too bothered about enforcing the helmet law and I really wasn't comfortable with it. Even now you can get away with it in the small villages as long as you don't use any major roads but I don't think I'll be doing it again.
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I'm with mickvp. I'd love to experience it just once. But common sense would take over and the lid would go back on!
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Common sense applies when lid is Off, speeds are lower and less chances get taken unlike when the superhero armour is on
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I guess that's like the old theory that if you had a big spike sticking out of the steering wheel of you car instead of a nice safe airbag...
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yep ,,that's pretty much it, but I'd prefer a shotgun cartridge over a spike :evil
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Quite agree we live to the limits its just that some people have difficulty defining where the limit is
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nuff said
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nuff said
so true.
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this came up on my Feacesbook today from the Orgi page ;)
Ogri
Many of us have come off our two-wheeled steeds, and damaged ourselves, or know of people, friends, family, who have had serious accident's etc, even fatalities.
The photo's I post and share on this page are for fun. Remember, Mitzi, Ogri's long time lady, rides around in her suzzies, and often without knickers...Bless her!!
Paul Sample and myself ride in jeans and jackets, with gloves, and open faced helmets. Paul has had some accidents over the years, I had many on my MZ as a teen, but learnt a lot from those days. Luckliy, touch wood, neither of us have had bad accidents in recent years, (I put my CBR in a hedge about 10 years ago) but there's still time...We ride safely.
We know that there's lots of "squids" out there, and we like to think that most of us are wise enough not to piss about on bikes, but as Brits, we don't seem to be able to take the same laid back approach to how we dress when we ride, as the rest of the world. It's their skin, it's their choice...
Enjoy the photo's as they are meant to show, a reflection of the better side of motorcycling, the freedom of the open road!!
Ride safe, keep your bike well maintained, keep your eyes ahead, and be aware of every hazard on every road, round every bend, and dress how you choose, be it up to the eyeballs in protection, or, and we don't recommend it, in your underwear, or naked....but please, ride safe!!!
6 hours ago
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I would most of the time , normal UK weather , motorway riding or going out for a Sunday bimble in the countryside , but on extremely hot days , where you are town/city riding , I wouldn't . I feel that wearing all that PPE in this heat affects my concentration and therefore means I'm more likely to have an accident. You could also argue that if you weren't wearing PPE you would be more aware of your own mortality and take less risks .
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if you had to wear a turban would you? :lol
Still my favourite reply on this thread.. :lol
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I would most of the time , normal UK weather , motorway riding or going out for a Sunday bimble in the countryside , but on extremely hot days , where you are town/city riding , I wouldn't . I feel that wearing all that PPE in this heat affects my concentration and therefore means I'm more likely to have an accident. You could also argue that if you weren't wearing PPE you would be more aware of your own mortality and take less risks .
Police don't stop bikers round where I live, so in spite of the "law", I can ride without a helmet. I still choose to wear helmet most of the time.
Helmet keeps wind noise down, protects my face from stones, bugs etc, improves vision (stops the wind better than most goggles).
When it is really hot, I sometimes wear cycling helmet - with all the vents. Doesn't protect chin and face though. Only sometimes I ride without a helmet at all. It IS nice. Take it slow, on a Sunday morning, country roads.
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Personally I would always want to wear one. As a front line medic in the UK I've seen that they save lives over and over again. That's at low speed too - diesel on a junction that makes your front end break away, over you go and hit your head on the kerb & lights out.
Any speed of impact of your skull on a hard surface is enough to cause an irreversible bleed on your brain so if u can absorb that impact energy with a lid then u have to be better off.
In higher speed crashes you're just as likely to die from a severe chest injury, aortic rupture or other severe haemorrhage as you are a brain injury.
I guess it's personal choice again, and yes I'm paid to attend such tragic incidents but I don't want to see a fellow human/biker perish over something simple like a lid. Over years of service it takes its toll and no amount of wages will make it easier.
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Personally I would always want to wear one. As a front line medic in the UK I've seen that they save lives over and over again. That's at low speed too - diesel on a junction that makes your front end break away, over you go and hit your head on the kerb & lights out.
Any speed of impact of your skull on a hard surface is enough to cause an irreversible bleed on your brain so if u can absorb that impact energy with a lid then u have to be better off.
In higher speed crashes you're just as likely to die from a severe chest injury, aortic rupture or other severe haemorrhage as you are a brain injury.
I guess it's personal choice again, and yes I'm paid to attend such tragic incidents but I don't want to see a fellow human/biker perish over something simple like a lid. Over years of service it takes its toll and no amount of wages will make it easier.
Well said. I'm with you on that.
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Personally I would always want to wear one. As a front line medic in the UK I've seen that they save lives over and over again. That's at low speed too - diesel on a junction that makes your front end break away, over you go and hit your head on the kerb & lights out.
Any speed of impact of your skull on a hard surface is enough to cause an irreversible bleed on your brain so if u can absorb that impact energy with a lid then u have to be better off.
In higher speed crashes you're just as likely to die from a severe chest injury, aortic rupture or other severe haemorrhage as you are a brain injury.
I guess it's personal choice again, and yes I'm paid to attend such tragic incidents but I don't want to see a fellow human/biker perish over something simple like a lid. Over years of service it takes its toll and no amount of wages will make it easier.
Well said. I'm with you on that.
me too.
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I always laff when this " discussion" comes up ( yet again) on the forum... :rolleyes
1. wtf are we even talking about it for as its law- end of !... its never going to change
2. yes you should have the right to " do what you want" , but get real , this is a modern society where we all have to live together , so just obey the law and get on with riding yer bike .
3. helmet law has been in now what , 40 yrs...so the ones who can remember the " good old days" are probably septogenarian and probably are rambling while pissing themselves involuntarily ...
4. we have no right to expect emergency services to clean up our mess just because we selfishly feel we are being oppressed. Theres enough fecking problems in the world without us adding to them over some wildly outdated semantic bullshit about being "free"
Just my opinion like....
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I always laff when this " discussion" comes up ( yet again) on the forum... :rolleyes
1. wtf are we even talking about it for as its law- end of !... its never going to change
2. yes you should have the right to " do what you want" , but get real , this is a modern society where we all have to live together , so just obey the law and get on with riding yer bike .
3. helmet law has been in now what , 40 yrs...so the ones who can remember the " good old days" are probably septogenarian and probably are rambling while pissing themselves involuntarily ...
4. we have no right to expect emergency services to clean up our mess just because we selfishly feel we are being oppressed. Theres enough fecking problems in the world without us adding to them over some wildly outdated semantic bullshit about being "free"
Just my opinion like....
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pitter 'keeping it real as ever' nator :lol
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Funnily enough I picked up a copy of the Motorcycle Action Group's magazine in the bike shop waiting for an MOT. It was from last year and I haven't seen anything of them for about 20 years (I know they've been out there though) - but they're still banging on about the helmet law. It made me laugh, nothing like flogging a dead horse. And it was a nice glossy magazine - with that awful stuck-in-the-70's logo on the front.
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3. helmet law has been in now what , 40 yrs...so the ones who can remember the " good old days" are probably septogenarian and probably are rambling while pissing themselves involuntarily ...
Oi! Well 3 years before I hit the roads but I can still remember :lol
And I didn't need a front number plate either :b
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MCN Headline: Stonehenge Industries Lops Corners Off Wheels - Claims Performance Benefit.
Ah, those were the days... :lol