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Title: Spark plugs
Post by: ChristoT on 12 June 2013, 09:00:50 pm
For the first time since I've had the bike, I took a peek at the spark plugs. And foc me, they're in a bad way. I only checked plug 1, but skinned my knuckles badly when doing so, and had a fight getting it out. Plug 3 also had rust marks on the bottom - gonna be painful removing that.

What plugs do you use, are the expensive ones worth it, and how much should I expect to pay for new ones?

Thanks!

I think that's focced.
I think that's focced.
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: Punkstig on 12 June 2013, 09:05:26 pm
Stick with the ngk's, personally I always smother the threads toward the centre of the plug in a big dollop of grease along with the plug caps as I've had problems with cap failures in heavy rain on these fazers before now!
I'm out of touch with price but does £9 a plug sound about right?
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: unfazed on 12 June 2013, 09:42:06 pm
I would change them if they are like the one in the picture.
I agree with Punkstig , stick with the NGK, I have very rarely seen them fail.
I usually use CR8EIXs  as I feel the engine runs smoother with them and are about £25 to 30 for 4 on ebay, but the standard CR8E are fine and are about £15 to £20 on ebay.
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: ChristoT on 12 June 2013, 09:44:25 pm
I would change them if they are like the one in the picture.
I agree with Punkstig , stick with the NGK, I have very rarely seen them fail.
I usually use CR8EIXs  as I feel the engine runs smoother with them and are about £25 to 30 for 4 on ebay, but the standard CR8E are fine and are about £15 to £20 on ebay.

The one in the pic is the one in cylinder 1 which I pulled out earlier. The CR8EIXs sound good - I'm on a tight budget, and need to change tyres soon too. Not good, it's beans for a month again then...
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: otis on 12 June 2013, 09:46:19 pm
Be careful as I had the same looking plugs and # 3 was looking very rusty. First attempt at getting it out and it broke clean off leaving the threads still in the head  :'(
Managed to get it drilled out and helicoiled in situ after about 6 hours but still quicker and cheaper than head off.
Good luck
 
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: ChristoT on 12 June 2013, 09:52:06 pm
Be careful as I had the same looking plugs and # 3 was looking very rusty. First attempt at getting it out and it broke clean off leaving the threads still in the head  :'(
Managed to get it drilled out and helicoiled in situ after about 6 hours but still quicker and cheaper than head off.
Good luck

Ooh er. I'll have to take it easy on that front then, thanks for the warning. Were you using the toolkit-provided spark whench doodah?
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: Punkstig on 12 June 2013, 09:55:06 pm
Spray a shit load of wd40 (or whatever your preference of penetrating oil) round the plugs every night for a few nights!
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: otis on 12 June 2013, 09:56:49 pm

. Were you using the toolkit-provided spark whench doodah?
Not a chance top quality Teng Tools only  :D
You can't even soak it with plus gas or the likes as the plugs have a seal washer but worth an over night try  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: Slaninar on 12 June 2013, 10:43:35 pm
NGK are routinely coppied in Serbia - you pay a lot for perhaps not the original quality.

OKO sparsk are half the price, very, very good!
http://www.taiwantrade.com.tw/okomotor/products-detail/en_US/557796 (http://www.taiwantrade.com.tw/okomotor/products-detail/en_US/557796)


Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: ChristoT on 12 June 2013, 10:55:37 pm
NGK are routinely coppied in Serbia - you pay a lot for perhaps not the original quality.

OKO sparsk are half the price, very, very good!
[url]http://www.taiwantrade.com.tw/okomotor/products-detail/en_US/557796[/url] ([url]http://www.taiwantrade.com.tw/okomotor/products-detail/en_US/557796[/url])


Which ones do I need for the Fazer? And how much should I expect to pay?
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: bandit on 12 June 2013, 11:23:05 pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-NGK-Yellow-Box-Spark-Plug-Part-No-1275-CR8E-/350786507649?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item51ac815381 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-NGK-Yellow-Box-Spark-Plug-Part-No-1275-CR8E-/350786507649?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item51ac815381)  put a smear of copper grease on the sparkplug threads before fitting. :)
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: Slaninar on 13 June 2013, 06:54:05 am
NGK are routinely coppied in Serbia - you pay a lot for perhaps not the original quality.

OKO sparsk are half the price, very, very good!
[url]http://www.taiwantrade.com.tw/okomotor/products-detail/en_US/557796[/url] ([url]http://www.taiwantrade.com.tw/okomotor/products-detail/en_US/557796[/url])


Which ones do I need for the Fazer? And how much should I expect to pay?


http://www.mofaker.hu/termek/Gyujtogyertya-CR8ENS-OKO-Power-%28=NGK-CR8E%29__964320 (http://www.mofaker.hu/termek/Gyujtogyertya-CR8ENS-OKO-Power-%28=NGK-CR8E%29__964320)

4.5 euros. Have worked fine so far.
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: Dead Eye on 13 June 2013, 10:49:24 am
Do be careful when removing them - I've had one snap before. Thankfully it was on cylinder 1 in my old engine and was able to have it helicoiled without removing anything and was damn cheap as well (I love Bristol, sooo much cheaper).

I managed to replace 1 and 4 on my current bike and they were in a bad shape (worse than your photo Christo). I don't want to chance 2 + 3 so they are staying put until the engine comes out and gets replaced (hopefully this year?)
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: red98 on 13 June 2013, 10:57:53 am
thats not good CHRISTO...shame on you  :o :o :o :o .....dont use the bike tool kit,use a quality spark plug socket making sure you hold the wrench square,nice steady pressure dont force it,as said a bit of wd etc might help  ;)
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: JZS 600 on 13 June 2013, 11:37:37 am
Funnily enough I use the Fazer tool kit to get mine in and out, easy peasy!
 
Also, I squirt a load of WD 40 or GT 85 or whatever else I have lying around (old engine oil works a treat) round the threads  before putting them back in.
 
Last time I bought plugs I got a set of Iridium's for £5.60 each off the net, not for the extra performance (what extra performance?!) but for the life span of the plug, which is good.
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: red98 on 13 June 2013, 11:54:00 am
bike tool kit ok if you take them out often........poor old CHRISTO`S not had his out for a long,long time  :o ...there may be trouble ahead  ;)
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: ChristoT on 13 June 2013, 01:49:57 pm
bike tool kit ok if you take them out often........poor old CHRISTO`S not had his out for a long,long time  :o ...there may be trouble ahead  ;)

Laziness on my part, I'm ashamed to say. They probably hadn't been out in donkeys when I bought it, and I could never be bothered to check them (too fiddly, and skinned my knuckles too much). Time to pay the price...  :o
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: Dead Eye on 13 June 2013, 01:53:55 pm
If you use proper tools you won't skin your knuckles ;)
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: red98 on 13 June 2013, 02:01:24 pm
If you use proper tools you won't skin your knuckles ;)

 
 
 
you expecting a knock on your door DEADEYE  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: Dead Eye on 13 June 2013, 02:03:30 pm
I certainly am - he's already begging for use of my Carbtune :P

Pity no one will be around to answer the door haha
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: red98 on 13 June 2013, 02:18:56 pm
rotten foccer...........ah...fizzy owes him a favour  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: ChristoT on 13 June 2013, 03:05:53 pm
Heartless sod, isn't he, Red?

I'm going to bite the bullet, and ask the bloke down the bike shop to fit new plugs when I get my tyres done in a few days' time. I'll also ask him to balance the carbs then....

Bye bye, food money...
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: red98 on 13 June 2013, 03:09:58 pm
 IT........say no more  :lol
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: simonm on 13 June 2013, 04:47:03 pm
Might be worth using a vacuum or something to make sure no crud falls in to the cylinder...
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: ChristoT on 13 June 2013, 04:49:27 pm
Might be worth using a vacuum or something to make sure no crud falls in to the cylinder...

I'll ask Paul down the bike shop to do it, he has tools and compressed air. Neither of which I have here.
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: darrsi on 13 June 2013, 05:13:56 pm
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200852182362?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200852182362?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649[/url])

 
Was looking earlier for a mate with a Fazer, bit cheaper here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NGK-Spark-Plug-Iridium-CR8EIX-x1-4218-YAMAHA-600-FZS600-Fazer-/110823536730?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19cd98f85a#ht_1495wt_1199 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NGK-Spark-Plug-Iridium-CR8EIX-x1-4218-YAMAHA-600-FZS600-Fazer-/110823536730?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19cd98f85a#ht_1495wt_1199)
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: ChristoT on 13 June 2013, 05:37:03 pm
Are the Iridiums worth the extra cost?
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: darrsi on 13 June 2013, 06:09:36 pm
Are the Iridiums worth the extra cost?

For the sake of a couple of quid more each i'd say yes, as they'll last longer.
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: ChristoT on 13 June 2013, 06:17:24 pm
Are the Iridiums worth the extra cost?

For the sake of a couple of quid more each i'd say yes, as they'll last longer.

OK, well I've bouth them now - thanks all for the advice and links!
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: Dead Eye on 14 June 2013, 03:51:28 pm
I'd just like the chance to defend myself here; I'd help but I won't be in the country as of tomorrow, for two weeks :P
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: ChristoT on 14 June 2013, 04:01:49 pm
I'd just like the chance to defend myself here; I'd help but I won't be in the country as of tomorrow, for two weeks :P

Excuses, excuses!!  :lol
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: red98 on 14 June 2013, 07:25:16 pm
I'd just like the chance to defend myself here; I'd help but I won't be in the country as of tomorrow, for two weeks :P
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Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: Dead Eye on 14 June 2013, 10:22:15 pm
Bah, holiday has been booked for nearly 10 months now :P

Off around the med on a cruise on the Independence of the Seas :D
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: red98 on 15 June 2013, 07:43:52 am
Bah, holiday has been booked for nearly 10 months now :P

Off around the med on a cruise on the Independence of the Seas :D




nice one.......have a great time  :D
Title: Re: Spark plugs
Post by: Ian-man on 15 June 2013, 07:53:06 am
I did the same thing and got the bike shop to change them when it was in for something else. Just as well too as they were a state when he got them out and he said they were difficult.