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General => General => Topic started by: simonm on 16 May 2013, 11:53:15 am
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I know nothing about bikes except that the copper on my bikesafe course said my chain was minging. A small amount of research later and a slightly squashed finger and it's done. I used paraffin, a rag and toothbrush and used some scottoil afterwards to relube.
Two pictures, before and after. Was there any point ? Any tips ? How do you clean the side of the chain you can't see ?
Cheers
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Looks cleaner, but in both pics it looks too dry - need to get some more oil / lube on it :D
Everytime I come back from a decent ride (20~ miles or more) then I put the bike back in the garage and on its centre stand then spin the back wheel with my hand and spray the chain with lube whilst its still hot - this helps prevent it from just dripping off the chain which so far it hasn't once! Also means that next time you go out it shouldn't fling off much either and it keeps the chain nice and soaked :) Oh and I use Wynns Chain Lube - got it from a Motoman I believe but you can get stuff like it from all over the place. In fact, I think I've seen chain lube in a Tesco before :s
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Fit a chain oiler, then you won't need to clean/ lube it any more::)
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Put some WD40 on a rag, put the bike into gear when running and release the clutch....hold the bottom of the chain between the cogs as tight as you can.....then hey presto.....no fingers :evil
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I've always heard that its better to do this sort of thing by hand than to let the engine spin the chain - not sure how much truth / accuracy there is in it but it seems less harsh and less likely you will lose your fingers :eek
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I've always heard that its better to do this sort of thing by hand than to let the engine spin the chain - not sure how much truth / accuracy there is in it but it seems less harsh and less likely you will lose your fingers :eek
Fuks sake Deadeye I was joking and I didn't think anyone would think I was serious.....I always spin the wheel by hand :)
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Fit a chain oiler, then you won't need to clean/ lube it any more::)
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It has a scottoiler ! It wasn't doing its job though. The controller only seems to oil the inside of the links/sprocket rather than preventing rust on the outside ?
I've only had the bike 4 months or so and I may need to check the instructions. I put the controller on prime a week or so back to check it was working and reset the drip rate so hopefully it'll improve.
I figured if the controller hadn't been working for a while (the bike had been left standing for a couple of years so the rust may have come from there) it was best to do some manual maintenance.
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My thumb hurts like hell and that was by hand and only gentle. Feels like the nails gonna darn well fall off.
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I've always heard that its better to do this sort of thing by hand than to let the engine spin the chain - not sure how much truth / accuracy there is in it but it seems less harsh and less likely you will lose your fingers :eek
Google Motorcycle chain lost finger ;)
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http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html (http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html)
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I've always heard that its better to do this sort of thing by hand than to let the engine spin the chain - not sure how much truth / accuracy there is in it but it seems less harsh and less likely you will lose your fingers :eek
Google Motorcycle chain lost finger ;)
Gore alert
[url]http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html[/url] ([url]http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html[/url])
Saw those pictures a couple of years ago and every time I lube my chain it reminds me to be bloody careful!
More on topic, I use the Wurth dry chain lube after a decent ride to keep my chain at its best. When it looks like the chain is starting to get a build up of stuff/dirt on it then clean it. WD40 and a toothbrush, Only takes a few minutes if you keep on top of it :) and then re-lube with wurth dry chain lube.
A point you made earlier Si which is worth noting is that you said your chain oiler wasn't working. I guess it's a lesson to everyone that has chain oilers is that just because you have one doesn't mean you can forget about the chain. Always worth keeping an eye on it and giving it a good cleaning every now and again.
Chris
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I've always heard that its better to do this sort of thing by hand than to let the engine spin the chain - not sure how much truth / accuracy there is in it but it seems less harsh and less likely you will lose your fingers :eek
Google Motorcycle chain lost finger ;)
Gore alert
[url]http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html[/url] ([url]http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html[/url])
Saw those pictures a couple of years ago and every time I lube my chain it reminds me to be bloody careful!
More on topic, I use the Wurth dry chain lube after a decent ride to keep my chain at its best. When it looks like the chain is starting to get a build up of stuff/dirt on it then clean it. WD40 and a toothbrush, Only takes a few minutes if you keep on top of it :)
A point you made earlier Si which is worth noting is that you said your chain oiler wasn't working. I guess it's a lesson to everyone that has chain oilers is that just because you have one doesn't mean you can forget about the chain. Always worth keeping an eye on it and giving it a good cleaning every now and again.
Chris
wouldn't wd40 perish the o rings in the chain?
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Yep WD40 is no good for chains - it'll evaporate in no time.
Unless you use a Scottoiler you'll need to be lubing up at least once a week, possibly more in wet weather. You can get brushes specially designed to clean a chain - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Chain-Cleaning-Brush-/180671396658 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Chain-Cleaning-Brush-/180671396658) for example. Use it with some cleaner - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-Motorcycle-Cleaner-C1-Chain-Clean-400ml-Motorbike-/360653919928?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item53f8a616b8 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-Motorcycle-Cleaner-C1-Chain-Clean-400ml-Motorbike-/360653919928?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item53f8a616b8) (again for example) and relube the chain afterwards.
If your Scottoiler is knackered, try their website - they are extremely helpful when it comes to spares, problems etc.
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Yep WD40 is no good for chains - it'll evaporate in no time.
Nobody suggested wd40 was any good for lubing! :wall
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Yep WD40 is no good for chains - it'll evaporate in no time.
Unless you use a Scottoiler you'll need to be lubing up at least once a week, possibly more in wet weather. You can get brushes specially designed to clean a chain - [url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Chain-Cleaning-Brush-/180671396658[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Chain-Cleaning-Brush-/180671396658[/url]) for example. Use it with some cleaner - [url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-Motorcycle-Cleaner-C1-Chain-Clean-400ml-Motorbike-/360653919928?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item53f8a616b8[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-Motorcycle-Cleaner-C1-Chain-Clean-400ml-Motorbike-/360653919928?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item53f8a616b8[/url]) (again for example) and relube the chain afterwards.
If your Scottoiler is knackered, try their website - they are extremely helpful when it comes to spares, problems etc.
yeah i've had trouble bleeding my scottoiler, so much so that i'm probably gonna take it off.
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There's more than likely a blockage somewhere, or even a hole worn in the pipe on your oiler.
Chain oilers once tuned in properly are the best way of lubing your chain, but its by no means the only attention a chain needs. C'mon, were not that thick!
Scottoilers do only oil one side of the chain, but capillary action moves the oil to the internal parts of the links. It won't necessarily oil the outside of the links to prevent rust.
One thing it will do is pretty much double your chain life, and massively reduce the need to adjust the chain slack.
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There's more than likely a blockage somewhere, or even a hole worn in the pipe on your oiler.
Chain oilers once tuned in properly are the best way of lubing your chain, but its by no means the only attention a chain needs. C'mon, were not that thick!
Scottoilers do only oil one side of the chain, but capillary action moves the oil to the internal parts of the links. It won't necessarily oil the outside of the links to prevent rust.
One thing it will do is pretty much double your chain life, and massively reduce the need to adjust the chain slack.
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it's only been on the bike for around 2k miles. Ive checked for leaks, i can see quite a few air bubbles but i've unable to bleed them using the scottoiler bottles. I will admit when it was working it was working well, it just didn't oil the inside face of the chain, it has rusted up quite badly. I may try using a syringe to force the oil in and hopefully it bleed.
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Yep WD40 is no good for chains - it'll evaporate in no time.
Unless you use a Scottoiler you'll need to be lubing up at least once a week, possibly more in wet weather. You can get brushes specially designed to clean a chain - [url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Chain-Cleaning-Brush-/180671396658[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Chain-Cleaning-Brush-/180671396658[/url]) for example. Use it with some cleaner - [url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-Motorcycle-Cleaner-C1-Chain-Clean-400ml-Motorbike-/360653919928?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item53f8a616b8[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-Motorcycle-Cleaner-C1-Chain-Clean-400ml-Motorbike-/360653919928?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item53f8a616b8[/url]) (again for example) and relube the chain afterwards.
If your Scottoiler is knackered, try their website - they are extremely helpful when it comes to spares, problems etc.
yeah i've had trouble bleeding my scottoiler, so much so that i'm probably gonna take it off.
If you prime the system it should push all the air bubbles out.
Check Delivery pipe for any air bubbles in the clear delivery tube - re-prime the system to clear these. Ensure the pipe hasn't become crushed or split at any point, if it has, resolve this first.
- Ensure that the adjuster knob is turned fully clockwise to "PRIME" although do not force past "PRIME" marking on top of reservoir.
- Check that the delivery pipe hasn't become crushed at any point eg. with cable ties, tool kit, or seat.
- Check the black injector at the sprocket hasn't become blocked.
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:) Same old question .. same old answer :
Fit a Scottoiler and be sure it's working correctly! Job Done. :D
I have been a Scottoiler fan since the guy opened the shop door on day one .. must be about 14 years I guess.
Can't recall ever needing to adjust or clean a rear chain .. current one is on my Honda CB1300S with 25.000 miles on the clock and looking good.
That's pulling all the extra weight of a sports sidecar around some of the best roads in Europe .. maybe not quite so fast as a Gen 1 but for sure a whole lot of extra work.
Stay Safe ;) Trev (Spain) Navy Training: A Wet Chain is a Happy Chain 8)
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I know nothing about bikes except that the copper on my bikesafe course said my chain was minging. A small amount of research later and a slightly squashed finger and it's done. I used paraffin, a rag and toothbrush and used some scottoil afterwards to relube.
Two pictures, before and after. Was there any point ? Any tips ? How do you clean the side of the chain you can't see ?
Cheers
Here's what I'd do:
1) remove that rust
This will help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistol)
But you can use any other rust removing oil - even WD40.
2) Put some oil to prevent rust from occuring
Put some engine oil on a rug and wipe the chain with it - to make the outside of the chain a bit oily, just a thin layer.
3) Your scottoiler is doing it's job - making chain lubed on the inside where it matters - that will help it last longer. It should not oil the outer plates of the chain (the part that rusted on your chain). That is your job with cloth and some engine oil.
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That is your job with cloth and some engine oil.
but i am ever so lazy ;)
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Put some engine oil on a rug ? lol.
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Put some engine oil on a rug ? lol.
lay about student i am sir !
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tirox-360-Motorcycle-Chain-Cleaning-Brush-Tool-Cycle-Bike-Cleaner-O-X-Ring-HD-/400262579349 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tirox-360-Motorcycle-Chain-Cleaning-Brush-Tool-Cycle-Bike-Cleaner-O-X-Ring-HD-/400262579349)
this looks like it could do the job!
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tirox-360-Motorcycle-Chain-Cleaning-Brush-Tool-Cycle-Bike-Cleaner-O-X-Ring-HD-/400262579349 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tirox-360-Motorcycle-Chain-Cleaning-Brush-Tool-Cycle-Bike-Cleaner-O-X-Ring-HD-/400262579349)
this looks like it could do the job!
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I've always heard that its better to do this sort of thing by hand than to let the engine spin the chain - not sure how much truth / accuracy there is in it but it seems less harsh and less likely you will lose your fingers :eek
Fuks sake Deadeye I was joking and I didn't think anyone would think I was serious.....I always spin the wheel by hand :)
Oops, sorry :o :o :o *embarrassed*
I am useless at being able to tell if someone is joking or not - swear I have a condition :|
My Scottoiler has stopped working as well, but I'm happy to do the work myself
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Put some engine oil on a rug ? lol.
lay about student i am sir !
Piece of cotton cloth is what I meant. Sirry for bed inglish! :)
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so if I get my wife to rev the bike while in second gear, and I hold a rag covered in mr sheen, around the chain that,s about right, also fill the scootoiler with wd 40. ;)
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so if I get my wife to rev the bike while in second gear, and I hold a rag covered in mr sheen, around the chain that,s about right, also fill the scootoiler with wd 40. ;)
:rollin
Dont forget to wash your tyres and brake discs with any spare wd40.
Oh and a handfull or two of sand in your fuel tank improves your MPG ;)
For gods sake I'm joking to anyone reading this!!
Chris
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I heard that putting 6" nails in your tyres helps with grip when riding in snow and ice too! :D::)
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I heard that putting 6" nails in your tyres helps with grip when riding in snow and ice too! :D::)
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I heard that putting 6" nails in your tyres helps with grip when riding in snow and ice too! :D : :)
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I heard that HTC One X is twice as good as other phones for posting in forums. :)
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I heard that putting 6" nails in your tyres helps with grip when riding in snow and ice too! :D : :)
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I heard that HTC One X is twice as good as other phones for posting in forums. :)
:lol
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I dont know what your on about. ::)
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I don't know what your on about ::)
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I don't know what your on about : :)
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Try Tapatalk 1. Maybe that will solve the problem. :D
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Bloody Tapatalk freezing on me!:o
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I'm sure someone will bollock me for this but I clean down with WD40 on a rag and use a brush to paint on engine oil thickened with molyslip
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Toothbrush. Oil or paraffin. 1st gear. Sorted
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WTF's a chain--bmw owner ?
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WTF's a chain--bmw owner ?
:rollin
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My chain looked similar so had a go at it with a mate of mine last week. We used gunk degreaser, then wd40 and a wire brush on the outside of the links to shift the surface rust. Took about hour and a half! More degreaser and a good rinse off followed by a whole can of castrol race chain lube. Looks ace and I actually think I could feel the difference riding home.
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I was thinking about using a brass wire brush. Is this frowned upon ? Steel brush ? Or stick to a tooth brush so the chain isn't scratched ?
I certainly wasn't going to be the first to put my head over the parapet and get stoned for mentioning a wire brush.
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I think it's not a good idea as it can trash the joints between the links. On the flat faces to remove rust if you were careful it might be ok but probably best to stick with the toothbrush and elbow grease ;) WD40 to clean it and plenty of chain lube after 8)
Chris
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Toothbrush. Oil or paraffin. 1st gear.
Trust me, I'm a lawman
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Toothbrush. Oil or paraffin. 1st gear.
Trust me, I'm a lawman
With no fingers :)):)):))
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Yeah Def only on the face of the links with a wire brush! Degreaser and toothbrush should be enough for the rest
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another good way of cleaning a chain--a good stiff rub down wi a hedgehog that'll do the trick.
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another good way of cleaning a chain--a good stiff rub down wi a hedgehog that'll do the trick.
Is that a cooperative or uncooperative hedgehog ?