Post by: Streetbudgie on 07 May 2013, 07:07:02 pm
Who would you ban from using the NHS?
My list is below
Anyone who is a non UK resident
Anyone requiring cosmetic surgery for vanity reasons only - this DOES NOT include reconstructive surgery
Pretty much that's it, I'd like to add smokers, obese people, the feckless, the people who have been in the country 5 minutes but have UK residency BUT... I can't, morally everyone is entitled to treatment, I can only justify refusal on the two grounds above, when I travel I have insurance, when I wanted my teeth sorted I paid out of my own pocket - I lead by example.
Post by: dBfazer600 on 07 May 2013, 07:10:48 pm
Daz
Post by: noggythenog on 07 May 2013, 07:10:55 pm
Anyone who has never worked for 10 years or more, whom could have worked.
Post by: dBfazer600 on 07 May 2013, 07:13:17 pm
Ok
Anyone who has never worked for 10 years or more, whom could have worked.
Does that includes the reclassification of all the disabled?
Post by: Streetbudgie on 07 May 2013, 07:19:08 pm
Ok Anyone who has never worked for 10 years or more, whom could have worked.
Take your point but that's got to be hard to judge and who would judge it?
Personally if there's nothing wrong with you then you should work or get nothing, if there's something wrong with you, you might be able to do some work but not all work.
Difficult one to get right, but I kind of agree but morally I wouldn't want to do the judging.
Post by: caretaker on 07 May 2013, 07:26:42 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 07 May 2013, 07:30:13 pm
Ok
Anyone who has never worked for 10 years or more, whom could have worked.
Does that includes the reclassification of all the disabled?
Well not with any government as they cant be trusted, im just talkin like if i was dictator in charge thats what id do & id try allot harder to weed out all the pretend disabled crew whom i know of many from back home.the rest of the country would be in a state though but hey whats the difference :rolleyes
But im really just talking about bums, with no injuries or conditions, folk who sit around on the xbox gettin wasted & have sky tv, lotsof whom havent been put through enough risk to become disabled as they dont actually do anything.
The disabled aside, i was thinking 5 years but then i thought about some folk would be wrongly judged in that time span & they could just be having a bad run.but 10 years now come on, is there any excuse for that.
Post by: Chillum on 07 May 2013, 07:40:14 pm
The fact that there are now special ambulances for these fat sacks makes my blood boil - just leave them where they are. In fact, throw in a couple of dozen moggies and shut the house up for a couple of weeks.
Post by: richfzs on 07 May 2013, 07:46:18 pm
People who are so fat they can't walk, so how the FOC do they get all the grub they shove down their globulous necks?
Because their "nearest and dearest" keep going to KFC and bringing home 7 bargain buckets a day. "But they get grumpy/sulky/angry/depressed if they don't eat so much" is the excuse - bollox, says I, those people are bordering on being guilty of abuse.
Post by: mtread on 07 May 2013, 07:47:28 pm
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Anyone who is a non UK residentSo that means no A&E for foreign bikers touring over here then ?
Post by: dBfazer600 on 07 May 2013, 07:50:36 pm
http://www.nhsconfed.org/Publications/Documents/Tough-times-overview-finances.pdf (http://www.nhsconfed.org/Publications/Documents/Tough-times-overview-finances.pdf)
Top three are in order of highest cost:
1 Mental Health disorders
2 Problems of cerculation
3 Cancers and Tumers
In my profession all three can be put down to old age ailments with dementia been the main problem. This old age causes a boomerang effect of in and out of hospital and trust me I is not a doctor but trying to rehabilitate everyone that I have come across its the 65+ that are the drain on the NHS none of what has been stated hear.
The move to care and treat people in their homes is not only real but happens and having to pursade doctors that some one is to ill to be out of hospital does not go down well and needs a diplomatic approch.
So who do you really want to ban from the NHS? A scape goat or the real reason for its rising expenditure.
Daz
Post by: noggythenog on 07 May 2013, 07:52:13 pm
QuoteAnyone who is a non UK residentSo that means no A&E for foreign bikers touring over here then ?
I'd have to legislate for that.
If i knew what legislate meant. ;)
Hadnt thought about any of that though, hmm i'd have to hiree some people to find out about it, all friends & family of course. :D
Edit-shit i thought you talking about my employed people idea, equally applicable though :b
Post by: fireblake on 07 May 2013, 07:54:51 pm
QuoteAnyone who is a non UK residentSo that means no A&E for foreign bikers touring over here then ?
The thing is, bloody insurance. If I travel I have it and so should any visitors. I think everyone should be treated but they should have their DNA taken and then actively sought out to pay. If they try to abscond then that DNA goes on a bad debtors data base. Big brother anybody?
Mickey
Post by: evesdad on 07 May 2013, 08:02:07 pm
People who are so fat they can't walk, so how the FOC do they get all the grub they shove down their globulous necks?
The fact that there are now special ambulances for these fat sacks makes my blood boil - just leave them where they are. In fact, throw in a couple of dozen moggies and shut the house up for a couple of weeks.
Had occasion to visit my local hospital lately, got to say most of the staff there themselves looked too fat to walk never mind care for anyone else :eek
Post by: Raymy on 07 May 2013, 08:13:36 pm
Difficult one to get right, but I kind of agree but morally I wouldn't want to do the judging.
Why stop here, you were doing it so well elsewhere
Post by: Razgruff on 07 May 2013, 08:23:50 pm
And this come my way a few days ago
https://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/uk-government-launches-legal-review-of-assisted-suicide-in-bid-to-end-longevity-trap/ (https://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/uk-government-launches-legal-review-of-assisted-suicide-in-bid-to-end-longevity-trap/)
make sure you read the very last line.
But with the Tories Net contributor thing they bang on about, how long before living too long would make you a Net loss.
As a biker I wouldn't deny anybody health care, coz if you start that chit how long before we as bikers have to carry extra health care insurance because we don't travel in a safety cage, had that chit when I was a courier with life insurance policies, coz it was regarded as a dangerous occupation along with scaffolders and many other jobs.
And how long would it be before we start regarding those born with a disability as a liability, If they require life long care, would we start treating human life as a farmer treats livestock, financial outlay of medical treatment not outweighed by the Net gains.
Post by: dBfazer600 on 07 May 2013, 08:42:46 pm
Thats it I is focced, no helmet, armour and I is fat |
Daz
Post by: Raymy on 07 May 2013, 08:44:38 pm
Cos we're all so fucking special aren't we?
Post by: noggythenog on 07 May 2013, 08:45:43 pm
Basicaly this guy or gal is focced when it comes to nhs treatment
Daz
:rollin Foc this nanny state i cant go anywhere without being on cctv!!! :lol
Post by: Streetbudgie on 07 May 2013, 08:47:00 pm
QuoteAnyone who is a non UK residentSo that means no A&E for foreign bikers touring over here then ?
Beyond patch up and stabilize no, same rules as I have when I go abroad.
Post by: mtread on 07 May 2013, 09:26:29 pm
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Beyond patch up and stabilize no, same rules as I have when I go abroad.So, no pain medication, no resetting of fractures, no blood transfusion? Nothing expensive then. Just tape over the holes and send you home?
I think you get a bit more than that in the EU, so why shouldn't we give the same back ?
Post by: slimwilly on 07 May 2013, 10:10:34 pm
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 07 May 2013, 10:18:17 pm
I would also reclassify self inflicted disabled people (fat foccers who ate themselves there) as non-disabled and remove all their perks like motability cars.
Smokers deserve private rooms for the amount they put into the NHS funds through taxation as do drinkers and motorists.
Post by: Streetbudgie on 07 May 2013, 10:25:56 pm
QuoteBeyond patch up and stabilize no, same rules as I have when I go abroad.So, no pain medication, no resetting of fractures, no blood transfusion? Nothing expensive then. Just tape over the holes and send you home?
I think you get a bit more than that in the EU, so why shouldn't we give the same back ?
That is patch up and stabilize :rolleyes
Post by: Streetbudgie on 07 May 2013, 10:28:53 pm
Smokers deserve private rooms for the amount they put into the NHS funds through taxation as do drinkers and motorists.
Wish that were true, sadly tax from fags and booze does not find its way into the NHS exclusively.
If that were true any tax on fatty foods should be included as well, again it would only end up further bolstering the ridiculous amounts this country gives away every day.
Post by: noggythenog on 07 May 2013, 10:36:31 pm
Scottish people,not permanently , just for a while to see how much can be saved.
:lol
No skin off our nose
We'll create our own health centres,every illness & disability catered for under one roof
We shall call them..........bargain booze!!! :b
Post by: Raymy on 07 May 2013, 11:02:39 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 07 May 2013, 11:17:23 pm
And it will sell only buckfast
Yep, what'll it be, well ive got a bit o arthiritis, okey dokey you need some more tonic, come back for a check up after youv bashed yur mates head in with the bottle!!! :lol
Strugglin to find the bucky down in wales now, all the bargain booze closed in my area. :(
I can remember buying a box of it via Tesco online a while back but it was a dodgy move.
Post by: mtread on 07 May 2013, 11:36:55 pm
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That is patch up and stabilizeOh, you mean full NHS treatment then :rolleyes
Post by: Dave48 on 08 May 2013, 09:12:33 am
Now call me an old fart if you like but in my early years we were taught self-reliance, didnt sit around eating American size portions of junk food,walked to school,cycled,played sport & games-in other words used exercise to develop our bodies & sense of self-worth.
My sons were born in the late 70s/early 80s & I encouraged them along similar lines-one is now super-fit & the other has cycled all his life with no desire to drive a cage. They ,in turn, are encouraging their children to do the things that will give them good health in the years to come.
Somewhere along the line things have gone horribly wrong and "they" put dire programs on TV about, for example, super-obese people who cant leave their bedrooms or fit in normal size ambulances but continue to be fed supersize portions by their carers. Why are so many people unwilling to take responsibility for themselves? Why do they expect to abuse their bodies to the extent that they require enormous amounts of NHS time & resources?
Now as I & my generation approach old age we are being told WE are a drain on funds-remember we are the generation that held jobs,paid taxes & NI & generally contributed to the exchequer in taxed spending.
The nation will have to decide what its priorities are but unless you are willing to invest in education(of a relevant type) we shall continue to become dumbed down Britain. Ive read some topics/threads on this forum about some interesting subjects but I despair of this country & the people who try to run it! Perhaps we should realise that its time to get people to be self-reliant & chuck out all this nonsense about expecting the state(you & me) to pick up the tab for feckless & irresponsible behaviour? Don't get me started on foreign aid, poking our nose into Uncle Sams "little" wars around the globe. Lets start putting our own house in order first :eek
Post by: richfzs on 08 May 2013, 09:26:28 am
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Post by: red98 on 08 May 2013, 09:48:55 am
The NHS came into being the same year I was born & I ,like many others have reason to be very grateful for its existence.
Now call me an old fart if you like but in my early years we were taught self-reliance, didnt sit around eating American size portions of junk food,walked to school,cycled,played sport & games-in other words used exercise to develop our bodies & sense of self-worth.
My sons were born in the late 70s/early 80s & I encouraged them along similar lines-one is now super-fit & the other has cycled all his life with no desire to drive a cage. They ,in turn, are encouraging their children to do the things that will give them good health in the years to come.
Somewhere along the line things have gone horribly wrong and "they" put dire programs on TV about, for example, super-obese people who cant leave their bedrooms or fit in normal size ambulances but continue to be fed supersize portions by their carers. Why are so many people unwilling to take responsibility for themselves? Why do they expect to abuse their bodies to the extent that they require enormous amounts of NHS time & resources?
Now as I & my generation approach old age we are being told WE are a drain on funds-remember we are the generation that held jobs,paid taxes & NI & generally contributed to the exchequer in taxed spending.
The nation will have to decide what its priorities are but unless you are willing to invest in education(of a relevant type) we shall continue to become dumbed down Britain. Ive read some topics/threads on this forum about some interesting subjects but I despair of this country & the people who try to run it! Perhaps we should realise that its time to get people to be self-reliant & chuck out all this nonsense about expecting the state(you & me) to pick up the tab for feckless & irresponsible behaviour? Don't get me started on foreign aid, poking our nose into Uncle Sams "little" wars around the globe. Lets start putting our own house in order first :eek
well said dave.....it does worry me what the future holds for my kids and grand kids....yes i am really that old ;)
Post by: DILLIGAFF on 08 May 2013, 11:56:15 am
EG.. friend of mine holidays in Canada every year. Last year he fainted one morning, most probably due to a kingsize hangover.
When he came to he was in hospital with a shiny new pacemaker fitted???????????????
Never had any heart problems before or since but his insurance provider is probably around $30,000 poorer.
Meanwhile back in the UK, I have to go in for a colonoscopy on Friday. Preparation for this involves the dreaded PICOLAX purgative.
Last time they sent me two sachets in the post.
Now, due to cutbacks, I have to go to a chemist and buy these from my own pocket.
At present, if I was a tourist they would doubtless be provided free of charge.
Seems to me the NHS is clawing back pennies from people who have paid in all their lives and throwing literally hundreds of thousands at people who have not.
Post by: Streetbudgie on 08 May 2013, 12:16:54 pm
QuoteThat is patch up and stabilizeOh, you mean full NHS treatment then :rolleyes
No I mean patch up and stabilize, no treatment beyond that, for example, you hire a scooter on holiday and fall off wearing flip flops and shorts.
You are treated in hospital for abrasions and a broken wrist, once set and bandaged you are sent on your way to follow this up with your GP who will refer you to your local hospital outside the UK where they will carry on your treatment, with what appropriate drugs, physio etc you need.
Quite simple really, works the same for UK citizens abroad from the UK if you do not have travel insurance, except you would as everyone has it, apart from those who visit the UK looking for a freebie.
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 08 May 2013, 12:32:46 pm
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True but if it were not for the tax they pay, the NHS would have less money or everyone else would have to pay more tax.
Post by: dBfazer600 on 08 May 2013, 02:54:01 pm
Meanwhile back in the UK, I have to go in for a colonoscopy on Friday. Preparation for this involves the dreaded PICOLAX purgative.
Last time they sent me two sachets in the post.
Now, due to cutbacks, I have to go to a chemist and buy these from my own pocket.
At present, if I was a tourist they would doubtless be provided free of charge.
Seems to me the NHS is clawing back pennies from people who have paid in all their lives and throwing literally hundreds of thousands at people who have not.
Mate this is the way forward as I would rather wipe my ass ring with chillies than go through that again. Hope all is ok
tub |
Daz
Post by: Tmation on 08 May 2013, 03:15:10 pm
In fact the NHS should only that people who never get sick or injure themselves, that would save loads.
The whole point of the NHS is that treatment is free at the point of contact and long should it remain so.
I have an EHIC card for travelling in Europe (free first aid and patch up) then travel insurance to cover the rest.
Post by: tomby1 on 08 May 2013, 05:03:46 pm
;)
Post by: goldfazer on 08 May 2013, 08:22:23 pm
Absolutely. make 'em sit in front of telly all day getting fat, getting diabetes and dodgy tickers :)
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 May 2013, 09:22:10 pm
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Scottish people,not permanently , just for a while to see how much can be saved.
Well the NHS in Scotland is a devolved matter. In England it's currently being privatised bit by bit, but in Scotland the bulk of it is still firmly in public hands. So England could in the long run find the NHS has all but disappeared. I guess we can probably expand our NHS to incorporate pay up front services for English folks, it's gonna be chaeper and better than the private crap your gonna end up with doon sooth and a nice wee earner for us up here!
But this thread is just another example of where the Tory Party would like to push you all. It's all about envy, oooo look what they are getting, why does so and so get that for nothing and I've gotta pay for it. Why should public service workers get a good pension when it's my tax that pays for it and I've gotta find my own scheme, and so forth.
It's magic, cos while our millionaire Eton educated in orbit around the moon cabinet get us all fighting each other over a few quid, them and their buddies, the bankers, the fatcats, the shareholders are all screwing you and running off with billions of your cash, and they ain't even paying any foccing tax on it.
This is just more Tory bait and plenty of you are dumb enougth to bite on it.
Post by: demic77 on 08 May 2013, 10:14:55 pm
1. Pissed up (and sober for that matter) idiots who choose to kick off on A&E/Ambulance staff. 3 strikes and you're out.2. Those who earn shitloads and can afford to pay, don't ban 'em but make 'em contribute to the cost of treatment.
3. Health care "tourists" who come over specifically for free treatment.
Post by: Tori on 08 May 2013, 10:26:21 pm
People who are housebound (seriously obese) are mostly relying on feeders surely? Those are the people that should pay for their treatment :)
Post by: bri h on 08 May 2013, 10:41:04 pm
Post by: Razgruff on 08 May 2013, 11:30:02 pm
Why not just start up a new eugenics program,
they were going quite well here and the states until that silly Mr Hitler guy went and started all that bad publicity for them.
I mean we have a better knowledge of genetics now than we did then, we could prevent a lot of expense with early intervention.
I know a few on here would like the Chavs and Gipsies thinned out a bit.
:lurk
Post by: bri h on 08 May 2013, 11:53:12 pm
Post by: bri h on 09 May 2013, 08:25:50 am
Post by: goldfazer on 09 May 2013, 12:23:58 pm
They already have - by paying 'shitloads' of tax + NI. Had a similar coversation with a friend regarding paying for an MRI scan in an NHS hospital and he pointed out that one year he paid £700k in tax (yes, he's done better than me since school :lol ) !!
Post by: Streetbudgie on 09 May 2013, 01:02:36 pm
' Those who earn shitloads and can afford to pay, don't ban 'em but make 'em contribute to the cost of treatment
They already have - by paying 'shitloads' of tax + NI. Had a similar coversation with a friend regarding paying for an MRI scan in an NHS hospital and he pointed out that one year he paid £700k in tax (yes, he's done better than me since school :lol ) !!
Seconded, the NHS was meant to be free at point of delivery, we all pay varying amounts according to our ability to pay but we do all pay.
Except for freeloading visitors who shouldn't be allowed beyond patch up and send home.
Post by: Streetbudgie on 09 May 2013, 01:05:15 pm
Of course theres the "nature or nurture" debate. A lot of them have been horrifically abused themselves so are they born bad or has their abuser turned them into monsters :eek .
Then throw religion in and it gets really confusing, old testament believers spout 'an eye for an eye' and new testament believers spout 'forgiveness for all'
Personally I'm not religious and I believe the punishment should fit the crime.
Post by: Razgruff on 09 May 2013, 01:36:54 pm
Can you punish somebody that is unaware they have committed a crime,
You have to understand the court proceedings to be able to be tried in court, if not. you just get some sort of sectioning.
I'm sure a legal bod will be along and explain it better.
Post by: DILLIGAFF on 09 May 2013, 01:51:06 pm
:eek :'(
Wet wipes in the fridge on standby.
Post by: bri h on 09 May 2013, 03:08:13 pm
Post by: Raymy on 09 May 2013, 05:32:04 pm
Post by: BIG MAC on 09 May 2013, 05:43:20 pm
Foreign residents???? I intend to retire abroad and pay for my health care there ..because to the French I shall be foreign...seems fair...however after 34 years of paying National Insurance any fucker who thinks I am not entitled to NHS care should I choose to use it is on thin ice.
Not worked when able to for ten years? Thats most MPs
Mental health and the elderly...who the F do you think paid for the NHS...yes the same people some would exclude.
The overweight?.. maybe..if they had been offered and refused treatment (including prescribed diet and exercise)
So would would I ban from the NHS?...Useless managers..any manager that cannot demonstrate their contribution generating more than 40% of their prime cost as clear health benefits should be shown the door.
Parasitic drug companies any charging more than 40% of their prime costs likewise.
Nick Knowles...he should stick to DIY programmes
Post by: ddtwelve on 09 May 2013, 05:44:09 pm
Post by: Jazz999 on 09 May 2013, 06:00:05 pm
everyone so i can put my feet up and relax all day :D
Likewise mate, would be a much better shift :-)
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 May 2013, 06:49:38 pm
Like I said it's Tory bait, such discussions, getting the proles to fight each other is just feeding us bait so we never really get a clear vision of what is really going on.
And the great bit about this, is that once you exclude one group, you look for the next, exclude them, then see what or who else you suck in, leave it for a wee while then throw the bait out again.
Start down this path and I guarantee that it will not be long before those who choose to take risks and have an accident will be responsibly for the cost of their own health care - ie you - a biker.
So you now have two directions, exclusion and the introduction of partial insurance for those who take risks. So having done the exclusions we can then work on extending the need for insurance.
Then of course who's gonna decide when it comes to the crunch who's gonna get health care amd who's gonna be shown the door having been told that they are not worth of care and that they can now fuck off and die.
That's quite helpful actually, as if you think about, if you wanna scrap universal health care and the NHS, well inevitably at some point the doctors and consultants will need to decide who they will help and who they tell to fuck off and die. So the downsizing in staff will start to happen naturally after a while as all the smart people move out of health care and probably out of our sick little small minded backwards thinking stupid country.
Post by: dBfazer600 on 09 May 2013, 09:03:35 pm
DAZ Thanx mate. I lit the fuse just 10 minutes ago and Thunderbird one is currently preparing for blast off from my unsuspecting starfish.
:eek :'(
Wet wipes in the fridge on standby.
:rollin :rollin :rollin I had a infection when I went in for my anal exploration and they gave me 2 choices. Have the procedure without pain relief or go home reschedule.
Choice was easy. I informed them to boldly go where no man has gone before as I was not going through the sudden collapse of my entire universe from my ass ever again. :( :o :\
Note to all who may have to go through this procedure. Make sure your not the first in the for your appointment in the morning as you have to clear your bowls out in one sitting the night before but have a later appointment that alows the gentle movement.
Daz
Post by: jon on 09 May 2013, 09:09:47 pm
Post by: Lawrence on 10 May 2013, 11:27:09 am
Why are so many people unwilling to take responsibility for themselves? Why do they expect to abuse their bodies to the extent that they require enormous amounts of NHS time & resources?Because they don't need to. Once you get to that stage, others will take over and do everything for you :thumbup
We could take a percentage of what they earn every month. Maybe call it something generic like National Insurance maybe?
2. Those who earn shitloads and can afford to pay, don't ban 'em but make 'em contribute to the cost of treatment.
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 May 2013, 02:42:56 pm
Remove the pesnions, that are basically now state subsidised, from the bankers that screwed us all.
Perhaps make big companies that make millions or billions in profit pay their taxes instead of paying none?
We could force the big companies that we subsidise by paying their full time workers benifits perhaps pay their employees a working wage. Can you imagine that, stinking rich companies actually having to pay people what they are worth. Foc me! Can you imagine what that would do the economy? I mean if you don't pay folks your economy will shrink. Doh!
So here we are getting screwed big time, I mean everybody (apart from the wealthy dudes at the top), billions upon billions upon billions of our money robbed from us day in, day out. And what do you foccing lot do, well you fight over the pennies.
Post by: AdieR on 11 May 2013, 03:29:59 am
Billions are wasted in the public sector supply chain through poor tendering and procurement (as one contractor put it "it's really a case of think of a number and double it") (think of the number of failed IT projects), MP's are picking up silly money for doing sod all (dodgy expenses anyone??), (similar can be said for plenty council officials), people are sat in cushy, comfy offices doing non-jobs picking up fat salaries etc. Atos (the firm employed to assess people's fitness to work) are a prime example - staff without medical / clinical training are sending people to work, that aren't fit to work (they'll doubtless be paid by every "case" (person) examined and passed fit (thus it'll be in their interest to say "s/he can work") - and Atos staff opinions seemingly count for more than that of a Doctor who has spent 5 or 6 years at university to train in their profession. And doubtless Atos "services" (as a private contractor) won't come cheap either.
I had a spell on the dole about 4 years ago, claimed the JSA / HB / CTB, and received no less than 4 (yes, FOUR) letters concerning the calculation of HB / CTB from ONE office - so, 4 sheets of paper, 4 envelopes, 4 x postage costs, when it could have been sent in one. Multiply that nationwide (2m? people), and it soon adds up. And we wonder why the country is broke.
The NHS (and other public services) is surrounded by officialdom to a stupid level - endless paperwork ("paperless office" anyone??), and loads of time taken (wasted) to fill it out (and before anyone says it, I'm not having a dig at the genuinely-hard-working-and-constantly-up-against-it staff).
Central Government seem to pull services up from the roots for the fun of it, and it's a costly process that doesn't actually seem to achieve anything useful.
Get rid of the red tape and stupidity, and there is enough money in the kitty to afford it.
Post by: Slaninar on 11 May 2013, 08:14:38 am
Post by: Rider_Training on 12 May 2013, 09:57:43 pm
I feel a multi track system might help. Goes like this:-
Arrival at A&E Biker!
Full approved helmet and clothing - front of the queue.
Flip flops, T-shirt and shorts. Bleeding out - back of the queue. See if he dies and harvest any good bits.
Ordinary people:-
Fit - average weight - UK resident. Lets get them sorted and back out there.
Fat - smokers - drinkers, join that queue with the stupid bikers (see above) when you have lost weight, stopped smoking, or detoxed. Come back to the real world.
I have a weight problem BUT I am doing something about it and I am winning.
In 60 years I have never spent a night in hospital and do not wish to now.
Post by: Skippernick on 12 May 2013, 10:10:03 pm
PS i don't smoke.
Post by: Dead Eye on 12 May 2013, 10:47:42 pm
I feel a multi track system might help. Goes like this:-
Arrival at A&E Biker!
Full approved helmet and clothing - front of the queue.
Flip flops, T-shirt and shorts. Bleeding out - back of the queue. See if he dies and harvest any good bits.
Ordinary people:-
Fit - average weight - UK resident. Lets get them sorted and back out there.
Fat - smokers - drinkers, join that queue with the stupid bikers (see above) when you have lost weight, stopped smoking, or detoxed. Come back to the real world.
I have a weight problem BUT I am doing something about it and I am winning.
In 60 years I have never spent a night in hospital and do not wish to now.
Of all the suggestions I like this one the most :evil
Post by: JoeRock on 13 May 2013, 01:01:43 am
We could stop giving em tax cuts.
Remove the pesnions, that are basically now state subsidised, from the bankers that screwed us all.
Perhaps make big companies that make millions or billions in profit pay their taxes instead of paying none?
We could force the big companies that we subsidise by paying their full time workers benifits perhaps pay their employees a working wage. Can you imagine that, stinking rich companies actually having to pay people what they are worth. Foc me! Can you imagine what that would do the economy? I mean if you don't pay folks your economy will shrink. Doh!
So here we are getting screwed big time, I mean everybody (apart from the wealthy dudes at the top), billions upon billions upon billions of our money robbed from us day in, day out. And what do you foccing lot do, well you fight over the pennies.
Yes, because you really want to get the 15 or so percent that pay over 60% of the tax in this country so they're pissed off and leave, definitely a good plan that for the British economy!
Post by: Razgruff on 13 May 2013, 01:17:37 am
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Yes, because you really want to get the 15 or so percent that pay over 60% of the tax in this country so they're pissed off and leave, definitely a good plan that for the British economy!
Can you provide some sources for those figures ??
Post by: Streetbudgie on 13 May 2013, 08:27:31 pm
Don't criticise smokers for using the NHS or make them stop smoking before using it, where do you think most of the NHS budget comes from, YES the tax on cigarettes. :evil
PS i don't smoke.
Absolutely wrong
All the income from tax on fags goes to the government coffers to be spent where ever they see fit, not one penny of it is designated directly to the NHS
Smokers spout this bollox to justify filling their lungs with black shite and the subsequent burden on the NHS that they become.
As a non smoker I'm surprised that you are quoting this.
Post by: Lawrence on 13 May 2013, 10:10:39 pm
Post by: Skippernick on 13 May 2013, 10:23:15 pm
Don't criticise smokers for using the NHS or make them stop smoking before using it, where do you think most of the NHS budget comes from, YES the tax on cigarettes. :evil
PS i don't smoke.
Absolutely wrong
All the income from tax on fags goes to the government coffers to be spent where ever they see fit, not one penny of it is designated directly to the NHS
Smokers spout this bollox to justify filling their lungs with black shite and the subsequent burden on the NHS that they become.
As a non smoker I'm surprised that you are quoting this.
So yeah indirectly it goes to the NHS, if there was no smokers paying tax, we all would be paying more tax on income, petrol etc, ergo smokers contribute a lot to the NHS.
We choose to ride bikes and potentially get hurt therefore put unnecessary strain/burden on the NHS. BUT it is a choice just like smoking.
Post by: Razgruff on 13 May 2013, 10:55:06 pm
Against geriatric care of non smokers living on for ever telling us they never smoked a day in theirs lives while cluttering up hospital beds because they want plastic hips or have fell over and broke something again :fish
Post by: Slaninar on 14 May 2013, 05:27:52 am