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General => General => Topic started by: red98 on 07 May 2013, 11:46:37 am
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riding back from work yesterday i saw a sports bike rider coming the other way......trainers , shorts and a helmet.....nothing else :eek
thats going to hurt when he comes off ;)
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Aye but thats up to him really innit?
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Aye but thats up to him really innit?
yep spot on tiberius, they say where there's no sense there's no feelin & its only gonna hurt him :'( :'( :'(
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Wrong, I see these muppets in A&E all the time through the summer and it doesn't only hurt them, the list is long:
It hurts anyone who witness the devastation a 10 second slide on tarmac does to the unprotected body, horror movies do not come near it.
It hurts the NHS who have spend thousands of £s putting them back together when that money is needed elsewhere.
It hurts their family and friends who have to worry how they will cope with treatment such as skin grafts and then afterwards with disfigurement and associated psych issues.
It hurts them financially as they have to have time off work and may not get paid, or...
It hurts all other tax payers who have to support them as they can't work
It hurts every other motorcyclist when they come to renew their insurance as the deemed risk is higher
They are selfish, irresponsible idiots.
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Streetbudgie, I agree with you, NO Gear, No Idea!!! Yes its their choice but they dont give a second thought to any aftermath whatsoever. Even if I'm off to the shops its jacket and gloves for me everytime.
Buck
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Wrong, I see these muppets in A&E all the time through the summer and it doesn't only hurt them, the list is long:
It hurts anyone who witness the devastation a 10 second slide on tarmac does to the unprotected body, horror movies do not come near it.
It hurts the NHS who have spend thousands of £s putting them back together when that money is needed elsewhere.
It hurts their family and friends who have to worry how they will cope with treatment such as skin grafts and then afterwards with disfigurement and associated psych issues.
It hurts them financially as they have to have time off work and may not get paid, or...
It hurts all other tax payers who have to support them as they can't work
It hurts every other motorcyclist when they come to renew their insurance as the deemed risk is higher
They are selfish, irresponsible idiots.
Hey this topic's heating up, someone grab the fire extinguisher tsssss!!! :sun
I can see both sides here, i nipped round the corner yesterday 6am to get fuel & check tyres prior later ride out, first time just in shorts & t shirt, didnt feel safe,rode like a granny,wont do it again. :(
Appreciate the stuff youve seen streetbudgie but at the end of the day its not against the law so people doing it are perfectly entitled to the healthcare they've coughed up for.& if they're a biker they probably work & pay too much into the NHS already to cover all the mutants sponging the system who dont even ride bikes.
It's like folk saying that folk riding bikes shouldnt get treated coz they should have a car, & car drivers shouldnt coz they should drive a tank.
I also think red is generally right that it is a bit worrying that some folk dont care about their own safety but hey ive seen some bikers wearing all the gear & equally jeopardising their safety by doing stupid overtakes that mr shorts rider might not have done.
Its all about perceived risk i think.
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well said STREETBUDGIE......the idiot did`nt even have a t-shirt on :rolleyes
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well said STREETBUDGIE......the idiot did`nt even have a t-shirt on :rolleyes
Maybe he was combining riding whilst getting a tan :lol
& streetbudgie before you say it i know you werent advocating not treating these folk
We all have our pet hates
& 2 wrongs dont make a right
But honestly how many people have been on a bike, front or back, as a kid or a wife or a mate getting out for a pillion spin without wearing full PPE.
Id say most people have.
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Wrong, I see these muppets in A&E all the time through the summer and it doesn't only hurt them, the list is long:
It hurts anyone who witness the devastation a 10 second slide on tarmac does to the unprotected body, horror movies do not come near it.
It hurts the NHS who have spend thousands of £s putting them back together when that money is needed elsewhere.
It hurts their family and friends who have to worry how they will cope with treatment such as skin grafts and then afterwards with disfigurement and associated psych issues.
It hurts them financially as they have to have time off work and may not get paid, or...
It hurts all other tax payers who have to support them as they can't work
It hurts every other motorcyclist when they come to renew their insurance as the deemed risk is higher
They are selfish, irresponsible idiots.
Nice one quite agree.
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Do we recycle, smoke, eat processed food, use excessive electricity, drive big gas guzzler cars, invest in defence companies, use loopholes to pay less tax, and any number of other things that affect any number of other people?
Nestle, Turners, Rio Tinto, Balfours, Coca Cola, Primark, Pfizer *insert big firm here* all affect MILLIONS of people (for worse) and we still buy their stuff regularly in one way or another. And we're not talking a bit of cash here or there or a bit of grief for a lost loved one, but displaced villages and peoples, scores of people used as test subjects and death, prostitution, trafficking, neglect, poisoning of homes and habitats and overall abuse of some type on an enormous scale. Real crimes against humanity.
I'm being obtuse here, I know, but only to illustrate that everything we do has a wide ranging effect on people all over the world. And we are ignorant to the majority of the suffering as a result of western progress and news suppression.
Budgie, I don't disagree I really don't but at the same time, would you enforce that someone wear the leathers etc if given the chance?
What next?
"No Sir, motorcycles cost the state far too much in healthcare and paperwork so we are outlawing them altogether for the safety of everyone. In the back of the van please Sir."
We are known as organ donors by default in many hospitals no matter what gear you wear. All these people are still affected. Death is death whether you are a power ranger *ahem* or not and even the best leathers won't avoid a broken limb in many cases.
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My pall thinks airbags should be replaced by a big metal spike that deploys if you crash to make us all avoid it at all cost - we could extend this theory to bikes !
It is strage home much safer people feel with a couple of mill of cow hide encasing them - mabee we should wrap everything in bubble wrap and not drive over 30mph
..... H+S pish!
ps I do have a set of leathers - but thats up to me - and it a kink thing!
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this guy was just smoking around town but even a low speed off is going to give him some painfull gravel rash,in particular on his unprotected hands....its just not worth it :'(
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Woo-hoo! Tiberius Onklevart for Prime Minister!! You seriously need to get into politics brother!
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I seriously don't
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I think most of us will have rode without the full gear on at sometime, me for one, but I'm of an age when you could ride without even a helmet, although I nearly always wore one.
I do ride in denim jeans in summer butI should invest in a pair of kevlar jeans. It is personal choice what you wear.
What amazes me is watching themon you tube doing stunts in shorts and T shirt.
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I seriously don't
Or maybe not then ::)
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this guy was just smoking around town but even a low speed off is going to give him some painfull gravel rash,in particular on his unprotected hands....its just not worth it :'(
Ive had some serious damage just falling off my mountain bike so yep id dread to think.
Another point for thought,do leathers make you so uncormfortable that they make you more likely to crash?,i know racers obviously decided no, otherwise theyd all be wearing surf shorts but then they are racing & often do come off
A point above is that leathers make you feel safer, but they also make you sweat like a rapist ,you dehydrate & constrict movement, plus its awkward to take a piss & farting generates too much heat, granted you wouldnt wanna try & get yur knee down whilst wearing shorts though :lol but then again they arent gonna stop you dying if you hit a tree.
Soon we'll all be getting slated for not wearing personal airbags
Ill keep wearing my leathers for now though,
Is it really horse in our burgers or is streetbudgie selling cheap biker meat to the abotoirs :rolleyes
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Appreciate the stuff youve seen streetbudgie but at the end of the day its not against the law so people doing it are perfectly entitled to the healthcare they've coughed up for.& if they're a biker they probably work & pay too much into the NHS already to cover all the mutants sponging the system who dont even ride bikes.
It's like folk saying that folk riding bikes shouldnt get treated coz they should have a car, & car drivers shouldnt coz they should drive a tank.
Sorry but this is tripe and exactly the selfish attitude displayed by bikers wearing no protection.
It's not against the law
No it isn't but neither is running full pelt against a brick wall head first - would you do that?
People are perfectly entitled to the healthcare they have coughed up for
I think the NHS should send out letters to idiots who say this and ask "Which life threatening injury or disease would you like so you can get your money's worth?"
You would think twice if you have a loved one's ambulance responding to 999 call for their heart attack delayed because they were dealing with a twat who fell off his bike and has multiple skin lacerations, which if he had been wearing the appropriate gear, he would have just got up and walked away from.
If they're a biker they probably work and pay too much into the NHS already to cover all the mutants sponging the system who dont even ride bikes
What?!! Why does being a biker mean you probably work?
I know unemployed bikers - and we all pay the same for the NHS, that's what your National Insurance is for and income tax is related to how much you earn.
Explain why bikers are more entitled to NHS treatment than anyone else? I can just imagine it "Sorry Sir, we can't treat little Brittany for Fried Chicken food poisoning because you're not a biker"
You want to ban people from using the NHS - start with fat bastards, then anyone with children because they're a proper drain on resources, then the old, as they're going to die soon anyway, oh and anyone with a terminal illness, it's only pain and inevitability after all.
It's like folk saying that folk riding bikes shouldnt get treated coz they should have a car, & car drivers shouldnt coz they should drive a tank
No it isn't, Car drivers have seat belts which are compulsory to wear, this is learned from our mistakes - seat belts save lives. Cars are now fitted with a multitude of life saving equipment, airbags, crumple zones, anti lock brakes - so why should bikers not be sensible and choose to minimize their risk?
If bikers can't choose to do that then they should be made to do that, bring on compulsory protective clothing
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Budgie, I don't disagree I really don't but at the same time, would you enforce that someone wear the leathers etc if given the chance?
What next?
"No Sir, motorcycles cost the state far too much in healthcare and paperwork so we are outlawing them altogether for the safety of everyone. In the back of the van please Sir."
We are known as organ donors by default in many hospitals no matter what gear you wear. All these people are still affected. Death is death whether you are a power ranger *ahem* or not and even the best leathers won't avoid a broken limb in many cases.
I'm not ignoring what you said about the global corporate destruction - I just don't think it's relevant to this conversation.
Car drivers are now legally obliged to wear seat belts and deaths from car accidents have lowered as a result of that.
If it keeps one biker out of A&E then yes, protective clothing must be compulsory, it's subsidized anyway. The truth is that a small off will put you in the hospital if you have no protective clothing, why wouldn't you wear it?
If you really want to avoid the banning or over restricting of bikes in any way then you should be advocating the compulsory use of protective clothing, more bikers in hospital = more reason to ban bikes.
Some bikers are known as organ donors, most are not as they wear the right gear and minimize their risk, a broken leg isn't always avoidable, but the queue of morons in front of you in A&E waiting for skin abrasions to be patched up is.
What about back protectors? Can't fit one of them under a t shirt, or elbow protectors, or knee protectors - they all can and do prevent broken bones.
Why does everyone keep going on about leather, all my gear is textile and CE approved as good as leather or better, none of it cost a fortune.
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Appreciate the stuff youve seen streetbudgie but at the end of the day its not against the law so people doing it are perfectly entitled to the healthcare they've coughed up for.& if they're a biker they probably work & pay too much into the NHS already to cover all the mutants sponging the system who dont even ride bikes.
It's like folk saying that folk riding bikes shouldnt get treated coz they should have a car, & car drivers shouldnt coz they should drive a tank.
Sorry but this is tripe and exactly the selfish attitude displayed by bikers wearing no protection.
It's not against the law
No it isn't but neither is running full pelt against a brick wall head first - would you do that?
People are perfectly entitled to the healthcare they have coughed up for
I think the NHS should send out letters to idiots who say this and ask "Which life threatening injury or disease would you like so you can get your money's worth?"
You would think twice if you have a loved one's ambulance responding to 999 call for their heart attack delayed because they were dealing with a twat who fell off his bike and has multiple skin lacerations, which if he had been wearing the appropriate gear, he would have just got up and walked away from.
If they're a biker they probably work and pay too much into the NHS already to cover all the mutants sponging the system who dont even ride bikes
What?!! Why does being a biker mean you probably work?
I know unemployed bikers - and we all pay the same for the NHS, that's what your National Insurance is for and income tax is related to how much you earn.
Explain why bikers are more entitled to NHS treatment than anyone else? I can just imagine it "Sorry Sir, we can't treat little Brittany for Fried Chicken food poisoning because you're not a biker"
You want to ban people from using the NHS - start with fat bastards, then anyone with children because they're a proper drain on resources, then the old, as they're going to die soon anyway, oh and anyone with a terminal illness, it's only pain and inevitability after all.
It's like folk saying that folk riding bikes shouldnt get treated coz they should have a car, & car drivers shouldnt coz they should drive a tank
No it isn't, Car drivers have seat belts which are compulsory to wear, this is learned from our mistakes - seat belts save lives. Cars are now fitted with a multitude of life saving equipment, airbags, crumple zones, anti lock brakes - so why should bikers not be sensible and choose to minimize their risk?
If bikers can't choose to do that then they should be made to do that, bring on compulsory protective clothing
Pleased to meet you too Budgie.....here take this rattled cage & bag of tasty seed.
So you're enthusiastic about your job & im glad about that coz i dont really care for being treated by folk who cant be arsed.
If someone fell off their bike i'd be sad about it whether they were lacerated or not & i trust those at control to send their resources where they see fit as they are qualified & justified to do just that, if one of my relatives suffers a heart attack because they didnt keep fit & ate pasties every day but someone else is helped then i accept that whether im happy about it or not.
I never said dont treat the spongers any more than you didnt say you wouldnt treat bikers in shorts.
I also never said unemployed people couldnt ride bikes, i implied that spongers were less likely to ride bikes.
I think you should be made to wear a helmet whilst driving a car, not everyone, just you.it will minimise your chance of injury in a crash.
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just been up to the spar wearing t shirt troos and lid. rode back with a bag of frozen chips sitting in my crotch region. now THAT'S irresponsible :)
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just been up to the spar wearing t shirt troos and lid. rode back with a bag of frozen chips sitting in my crotch region. now THAT'S irresponsible :)
Buying from spar is irresponsible!!!! :eek
Have you checked the sell by date??? :\
Dont get me started on the chips!!!! :evil :evil :evil
When you cooking them???? :lol
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ive had my fair share of hospital visits,not motorcycle related,and have paid my taxes and ni since leaving school,if i continue to be employed untill i retire i dont think i would have paid enough back to cover my treatment,on top of that my son was born with a hole in his heart and underwent heart surgery at the age of 5 to repair the hole,hes doing really well now,this treatment i consider to be my debt.....so the last thing the nhs needs is idiots limping into a&e with injurys that could have been avoided.....these idiots include smokers and the lazy over weight
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ive had my fair share of hospital visits,not motorcycle related,and have paid my taxes and ni since leaving school,if i continue to be employed untill i retire i dont think i would have paid enough back to cover my treatment,on top of that my son was born with a hole in his heart and underwent heart surgery at the age of 5 to repair the hole,hes doing really well now,this treatment i consider to be my debt.....so the last thing the nhs needs is idiots limping into a&e with injurys that could have been avoided.....these idiots include smokers and the lazy over weight
This topic is getting far too personal now.
Red thats a harrowing tale & i dont think anyone would wish to continue with the chance of offending the subject.
Dont forget drinkers, drug takers, skinny folk with high levels of visceral fat, folk that dont eat their greens,folk putting salt on their chips & folk that watch x factor :b
Modern living is detrimental to all our healths.
I dont understand how you feel you havent paid you're way & it's hard to prove or disprove but i reckon you have.its not your fault that the nhs like the millitary pays over inflated prices for all their kit.
& yes that guy in the shorts wasnt sensible.
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Some bikers are known as organ donors, most are not as they wear the right gear and minimize their risk, a broken leg isn't always avoidable, but the queue of morons in front of you in A&E waiting for skin abrasions to be patched up is.
Why does everyone keep going on about leather, all my gear is textile and CE approved as good as leather or better, none of it cost a fortune.
Quote from: Streetbudgie on Today at 12:38:22 PM (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,7663.msg74286.html#msg74286) <blockquote> Wrong, I see these muppets in A&E all the time through the summer and it doesn't only hurt them, the list is long:
It hurts anyone who witness the devastation a 10 second slide on tarmac does to the unprotected body, horror movies do not come near it.
Methinks that will be why.
The reason I mentioned the global aspect is due to the fact that everything we do is affecting a whole lot more people than we would like to admit and by our buying it we contribute to the suffering. To cherry pick a biker with no textiles or leathers and say about all those people who would be affected is somewhat iffy if you have gold blend or pepsi in the cupboard.
So....fat bastards?
Where are we drawing the line then and who makes your list or worthy and unworthy, indeed, what is the criteria?
There's plenty of fat bastards around here, take thy judgement to them. No doubt you are friendly with some. Will you be vehemently insisting that they change their lifestyle to suit your ideal of a perfect NHS and vision of what it is there for? "Bacon? Get out of here, we only admit celery munchers at this establishment!!!"
Many of us are considered overweight and its as a result
Do you call someone an idiot for not having textile and CE armour on their trouser/shoes or whatever?
Like i say, I don't disagree with much of what you say, however i must question the way in which you say it. Apologies if this is antagonistic but you've came across very bitter here and I'm not sure its warranted</blockquote>
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Shit, missed out half that there cos I got a phone call amd cannae mind what I was gonna say
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yes...strong point with me.....another you can add to the list...........anyone from outside the country using our nhs without paying into it ................................................................
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We are known as organ donors by default in many hospitals no matter what gear you wear. All these people are still affected. Death is death whether you are a power ranger *ahem* or not and even the best leathers won't avoid a broken limb in many cases.
So true there mate. Seen many many powered two wheel accidents and known loadsa bikers who have had them. A few of them fatal. I worked in a hospital fer 3 yrs and have heard that term mentioned in kings college.
In town i'll do jeans and long sleeve tshirt but i drive accordingly. If u cant stay with the traffic and ride safely u shud be rethinkin. Whatever speed u go u have to treat traffic the same and when riding on ur own havin a blast then everything shud b progressive. Its kept me alive for 21 yrs of despatchin.
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yes...strong point with me.....another you can add to the list...........anyone from outside the country using our nhs without paying into it ................................................................
Amen to that
Good point....well made
Ok ive maybe been a bit harsh also & like i say i do wear leathers i wont be wearing my shorts again in a hurry, im not afraid to admit that i did it even if i know i wasnt gonna get a good reception from saying so.i had a weak moment, im only human.
Trouble with the internet is that everyones holy than thou & the perfect mechanics & everyone on facebook has the perfect relationship etc but in reality we all do stupid shit sometimes.
Budgie i actually do sympathise but you just got my goat a bit with your Wrong or Right mentality when it's not always that simple, perhaps its coz you cant actually say that to folk when they're in your establishment.if everyone was as sensible as you think they should be then no doubt youd have an better shift with no accidental damages or mishaps & only those that truely deserve treatment but wouldnt the world be such a strange place then,almost like that crap film with sylvester stallone-Demolition Man.
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Budgie, I don't disagree I really don't but at the same time, would you enforce that someone wear the leathers etc if given the chance?
What next?
"No Sir, motorcycles cost the state far too much in healthcare and paperwork so we are outlawing them altogether for the safety of everyone. In the back of the van please Sir."
We are known as organ donors by default in many hospitals no matter what gear you wear. All these people are still affected. Death is death whether you are a power ranger *ahem* or not and even the best leathers won't avoid a broken limb in many cases.
If it keeps one biker out of A&E then yes, protective clothing must be compulsory, it's subsidized anyway. The truth is that a small off will put you in the hospital if you have no protective clothing, why wouldn't you wear it?
If you really want to avoid the banning or over restricting of bikes in any way then you should be advocating the compulsory use of protective clothing, more bikers in hospital = more reason to ban bikes.
Some bikers are known as organ donors, most are not as they wear the right gear and minimize their risk, a broken leg isn't always avoidable, but the queue of morons in front of you in A&E waiting for skin abrasions to be patched up is.
What about back protectors? Can't fit one of them under a t shirt, or elbow protectors, or knee protectors - they all can and do prevent broken bones.
Why does everyone keep going on about leather, all my gear is textile and CE approved as good as leather or better, none of it cost a fortune.
Personally when I'm out on the bike I have one of two clothing sets:
For long journeys, times when I'll be at high speeds, or times when I know I'm going to want to piss around, I'm in a two piece leathers set, proper gloves and boots and of course a helmet.
If however, I'm going for a bimble, either just to visit mates, or around town, then I tend to wear the boots, gloves and helmet, but then a much thinner fashion type leather jacket, and a pair of jeans. I'm very well aware that if I come off at 30mph wearing that then yes it's going to hurt like hell, I've come off at similar speeds on my pushbike and that hurt bad enough. However, I judge the risk to be an acceptable one,and I can't be dealing with the hassle of wearing all the gear! Personally, there's no way I'd go out on my bike without at least gloves and boots on, and some kind of coverings (dependent on the speed I know I'll be at), but if other people want to ride about like that then that is entirely up to them, they'll be the ones in serious pain if they do come off!
It's like drinking, should that be made entirely illegal to do just because some people can't cope with it and use it sensibly? Pretty certain alcohol costs the NHS more money each year than a few bikers short of skin!
I'm totally against the restriction on our freedoms for pretty much anything, particularly when it comes to motorcycles -it would start with being forced to wear all the gear all the time, then high viz all the time, then we wouldn't be able to modify our bikes, and then they'd probably just ban bikes altogether and we'd have to live in tin boxes.
What I am thinking of doing is potentially getting a set of kevlar jeans, but that's because I want to, not because I'm being told to! I'm also looking into buying a jacket similar to one that my dad has - it's essentially kevlar mesh with armour inside, so no wind protection at all but its got the slide and impact protection - just right for summer.
On that note though, textiles and leathe are so far apart in terms of protection it's almost not even right to compare them - there's bloody good reasons why textiles aren't allowed on track and why racers don't wear them, whereas leather slides, and can wear through (or more likely the stitching splits) textiles can not only do the same but in a much quicker manner, but they can rip outright! Personally I won't wear textiles any more, if I'm wearing a full set of gear it tends to change my mindset and I certainly ride faster, and with textiles you don't get the proper protection that leather offers!
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I will happily admit to riding in jeans, all the time in fact. Yes, I have also been known to pop to the village shop in my shorts, I justride a bit more carefully. Hell, I once rode naked round the village for a 50p bet, just lid and boots.
Sod it, if I want to risk it I will, but I ride accordingly, its nobody elses business. If twats on pocket rockets want to wear sandals todo wheelies then I hope they learn the hard way.
The strain on the nhs caused by me getting gravel rash or worse is feck all compared to all the scroungers that get wasted/eat crap/smoke/drink alcohol. Fuck em, if they want to kill themselves slowly then let them, but nobody has the right to tell me what I can or cant wear when im riding a bike that I have paid for. The guys in the nhs do a blinding job, I couldnt do it, I havent got the patience, just look in on a&e on a friday night and start legislating against wasters before legislating against bikers.
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Well as a welsh descendent tattooed fat bastard, balding with health problems you can send me to the gas chambers for a swift death because I is not worthy although I do not over eat, smoke, minimal alcohol intake, wear all the right gear but it was the numpty in the car who over took another vehicle and came on my-side of the road that put me in a situation of visiting A&E. But hay take one look at me and I is not worthy of been treated because of how I look but not how I may think.
If you have been at a DVLA test centre recently you will have notice that trainees are been turned away if not wearing a dedicated motorcycle jacket, high viz bib, minimum boots, gloves and the helmet of which is all loaned from the training centre.
Every one has the right to take risks and for one I would not stop the OAP from walking down the road because they were unsteady on their feet. I would be disciplined under the safe guarding of adults for imprisonment.
If you want to blame some one else for the state of our nhs and stupidity of individuals take it up with those individuals directly such as the rider and the government to put a fat tax on top of their manager heavy nhs.
Daz the :) biker
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ah yes.....a fat tax.....now i like that :) add a alcohol tax,foreigner tax,self harming tax,anyone fiddling benifits tax.....and of course anyone fiddling expenses tax.....you know who you are .
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:rollin :rollin Lets tax all the chocolate munching people, ok so mainly this would be a woman tax :b
Daz
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How much is the fat tax :o
It's a while til pay day :\
Can i pay in instalments with mini kievs & mars bars? :D
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:rollin :rollin Lets tax all the chocolate munching people, ok so mainly this would be a woman tax :b
Daz
nice one dBfazer.....wish i had thought of that.................in-law tax,thats another goodun.
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Wow you all make such good and relevant points. Personaly i chucked an x7 up the road wearing a leather jacket and a pair of levis. Ive still got the scars on my leg as a reminder to wear something a bit more substantial.
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I love chocalate and chips and ice cream but of course, i am Slimwilly :lol , not more tax, oh no
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Ah, it wasnt meant as a personal attack, but you have kinda said what I meant... its up to the individual if they drink/smoke/eat junk/dont excersize/take drugs etc etc so it should be up to the individaul to decide what they want to wear.
After all, if I ride to the shops in shorts, I MIGHT come off, resulting in me MAYBE needing hospital treatment, its never happened before, and touch wood it won't happen, going by those odds its a calculated risk and about as likely as me being hit by a car whilst crossing the road... whereas if you are severly out of shape, drink excessively, smoke etc, then you WILL develop complications that will cost the nhs... be it lung disease, liver or kidney probs, high blood pressure, heart problems.. these things WILL happen as opposed to me MAYBE needing skin grafts.
Yes I know everyone dies eventually (except me, obviously, im indestructable), but forcing me into leather trousers and a hi vis aint gonna make a dent in the nhs bill, try legislating instead against some of the huge companies (cocacola, mcdonalds, greggs etc) if you want to see a real difference... but that will never happen cos the gready bastids have all the money for lawyers to protect their assets.
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Jon, if you are riding about nekkid, with those boobies I reckon the road should be wearing the armour
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Now put 'em away, I'm getting a stiffy
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In a strange turn that may twist your melon man - I do wear protective gear - but out of choice not out of legal or moral obligation.
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Its allright spouting off about ones freedom to wear what they like....but riding a bike is dangerous . Full stop.Theres no fecking kidology here...its fecking inherantly and empiracally proven to be dangerous, and there is a very high likelihood of getting seriously injured through no fault of yer own, let alone courting disaster by riding so inappropriately. IF somebody decides they wont wear appropriate clothing , then tbh why should the nhs bother with them ? You want to opt out , take a very conscious decision to flip the finger at common sense. Then to my thinking , you really start to waive your right to free expensive health care.
Lets get off this ridiculous " revolutionary " bandwagon and just get real.
I have crashed very badly indeed in my lifetime and am only here because of leathers and other protective clothing ....FFs wake up and smell the coffee...and take some personal responsibility , which seems so sadly lacking in modern society.Why should someone else bail you out cos of a stupid viewpoint on " freedom of choice". To live in society we all have to take our own lives responsibly, and ideally should be looking out for the needs of others too. If we all did this, there would be far fewer " accidents" and the awful consequences for other poor sods to deal with. !...I really do pity the poor health service workers who have to clear up the mess because of what is in my mind complete selfishness on the part of fools.
And before anyone says anything , its my personal opinion, and I am entitled to have it !
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If it keeps one biker out of A&E then yes, protective clothing must be compulsory, it's subsidized anyway. The truth is that a small off will put you in the hospital if you have no protective clothing, why wouldn't you wear it?
I mean why not just ban bikes, everybody knows cars are safer.
They day they make protective clothing compulsory (with the exception of hats) is the day I'm up for the under pants and hat go slow through our cities.
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I think you should be made to wear a helmet whilst driving a car, not everyone, just you.it will minimise your chance of injury in a crash.
Bit sad that you can't respond sensibly, I rest my case on my opinion regarding your idiocy.
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Is this a good time to mention it costs the nhs 5 grand for some old trouts boob job?
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I think you should be made to wear a helmet whilst driving a car, not everyone, just you.it will minimise your chance of injury in a crash.
Bit sad that you can't respond sensibly, I rest my case on my opinion regarding your idiocy.
:2fingers
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Some bikers are known as organ donors, most are not as they wear the right gear and minimize their risk, a broken leg isn't always avoidable, but the queue of morons in front of you in A&E waiting for skin abrasions to be patched up is.
Why does everyone keep going on about leather, all my gear is textile and CE approved as good as leather or better, none of it cost a fortune.
Quote from: Streetbudgie on Today at 12:38:22 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,7663.msg74286.html#msg74286[/url]) <blockquote> Wrong, I see these muppets in A&E all the time through the summer and it doesn't only hurt them, the list is long:
It hurts anyone who witness the devastation a 10 second slide on tarmac does to the unprotected body, horror movies do not come near it.
Methinks that will be why.
The reason I mentioned the global aspect is due to the fact that everything we do is affecting a whole lot more people than we would like to admit and by our buying it we contribute to the suffering. To cherry pick a biker with no textiles or leathers and say about all those people who would be affected is somewhat iffy if you have gold blend or pepsi in the cupboard.
So....fat bastards?
Where are we drawing the line then and who makes your list or worthy and unworthy, indeed, what is the criteria?
There's plenty of fat bastards around here, take thy judgement to them. No doubt you are friendly with some. Will you be vehemently insisting that they change their lifestyle to suit your ideal of a perfect NHS and vision of what it is there for? "Bacon? Get out of here, we only admit celery munchers at this establishment!!!"
Many of us are considered overweight and its as a result
Do you call someone an idiot for not having textile and CE armour on their trouser/shoes or whatever?
Like i say, I don't disagree with much of what you say, however i must question the way in which you say it. Apologies if this is antagonistic but you've came across very bitter here and I'm not sure its warranted</blockquote>
I'm confused, are you questioning my choice to wear textiles which perform as good as or better than leather? Not sure why you would as I'm choosing to protect myself properly.
The global aspect does not apply, this isn't cherry picking issues, this is something that is a drain on the NHS and life affecting that can easily be avoided simply by wearing the right kit - I can't do anything about global markets and huge companies that poison this planet other than choose to avoid them, but I can use this forum to get my point across and if one person thinks 'you know what, I don't want to see my wife and kids crying in A&E cos I've got no face left' then I have done something.
My point about fat bastards, old people etc was exactly that - the poster suggested that bikers were more entitled to NHS treatment than others who he figures somehow will have paid less in - my point was showing where do you stop, why not ban fat people, old people etc - surprised I needed to explain that really.
I'm not bitter, I just do not understand why people argue against what is clearly common sense, I also don't care about expressing myself on here as I feel, if someone tells me they ride in t shirts and shorts then I reserve the right to call them a selfish twonk, because they are.
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Is this a good time to mention it costs the nhs 5 grand for some old trouts boob job?
Nothing wrong with air bags. There are plenty about and you can now even get a jacket full of em. A perverts heaven :rollin
Daz
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Haha and they only deploy when you need them.
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Streetbudgie you misinterpret what i write.
I was trying to get the point across that bikers deserve treatment as much as everyone else, my use of spongers as an example was supposed to highlight this ie general wasters, smoking,drinking,taking drugs,never excercising & never ever working or paying in.
I wasnt trying to say that bikers deserve treatment more.but generally speaking i believe they are deserving.like as in generally speaking anyone who drives a suzuki wagon-r car has generally got to be treated with caution on the roads tegardless of whether michael schumacher has one.
What is really sad is that you feel the need to personally insult someone who youve never met, crossing the thin line between debate/argument & being insulting & because of that youve gone down in my estimation, not that i would expect you to care & to be fair why should you.
Most of my family still do or have worked in the emergency services or HM forces so i know fine well about the tragedy involved without you telling me about it.
I disagree with people not fitting or taking out the batterys on their smoke detectors, it's dangerous.but im not about to call them a dickhead as that probably wont help whatsoever.
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So if you have family who work in emergency services why do you think it is ok to ride in a t shirt and shorts and not consider the consequences? Surely they have told you what happens?
You may say you are aware of the risks but perhaps your family can tell you about the other consequences, crying kids, distraught spouses, the lack of beds in hospitals, the list is endless.
I haven't crossed any line, choose to ride without proper protection and you are a selfish idiot.
I disagree with disabled smoke alarms, if I had my way they would be compulsory but that's not what this argument is about, it's about riding without the proper gear.
Don't be frightened to have an opinion and express it, I'm not.
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If you are going to start in on restricting services to people who deliberately put themselves in harms way - well, just about every sport out there can result in injuries at some point or other.
It's just not a realistic point of view.
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Thanks to all that's good that we are entitled to choose to be an idiot and wear or not protective clothing - rather than be dictated to by medical professionals who 'know better' .
Mr Budgie - life is dangerous and I guess you're going to pop a valve one day if idiots doing stupid things presses your buttons - I too have scraped up my share of dead bikers in my life time to know that people are responsible for their own decisions - right or wrong!
stupid peoples bad decisions keep most emergency services in work - hospitals would be very empty places if they only treated conditions that the patient had no involvement in!
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And here was me thinking an englishmans home is his castle.
Stomp stomp stomp, get that alarm fitted or yer going to jail.
I had a screed written out but fuck it.
Budgie, you clearly want to rule with the old iron fist and that's your perogative. But as you state "if it keeps one person out of a&e then it should be compulsory" or words to that effect.
So going by that logic where you highlight someones idiocy in an earlier post where they suggest helmets for car drivers.
If it saves one life then it should be compulsory?
For instance, my brother died in a crash some years back, in what was supposedly a relatively safe vehicle. He landed on his roof. The nurse in the morgue said the killer blow was a strip of metal striking his temple.
A helmet may have saved his life. Thats a lost life that shattered my family for some years and still does. But a helmet could have saved all that grief and loss. Not looking for sympathy or 'owt just illustrating a point.
If its good for one then it has to be good for all and it should be law, no? Going by the logic.
Yes, nobody disagrees with the sensibility of wearing the gear and we all know we should. We also know we should test our alarms and eat the right food and smoke only fresh air and drink only water but how far are we taking it?
They are all selfish and at times mindless omissions but how far do we go?
Instead of discussing you are only seem to be engaging in bigotry and don't care about what anyone else wants because you've seen first hand the damage.
Me too. Personally, away from bikes. Brother is career fire, I'm in fire enforcement (so lets talk smoke alarms and the requirments and social objectives attached if you like) ponkster up there is career fire also. We all know nurses (phwooars!!!!!)
We're adults, don't protect us. We take the risks and we contribute and we are involved. No biker deserves the treatment more than a sick child, but we don't get the sympathy either. Nor should we. Bikes are dangerous in the wrong hands, and often even in the right hands. And those hands will always be vulnerable.
Calling other people idiots is pretty shoddy to be fair, and only because they differ in opinion or want to push your buttons.
Turns out it was another screed. Well there ye go.
Deep breaths Budgie. Deep breaths
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Well said -
now I'm off to go train surfing in my flip flops
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How many whiplash victims would be prevented by compulsory neck braces in cars? How many broken bones would be prevented by compulsory harnesses when using stairs or ladders? How about compulsory heatproof mitts when boiling a kettle or compulsory steeltoecaps when gardening? Where do you draw the line in this stupid nanny state? All of these safety items are freely available so why not put on a 5 point race harness, fireproof suit, helmet and neck brace everytime you get in your car then , eh?
Fuck it, im off to walk under a ladder then run with scissors in my hand.
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Thanks to all that's good that we are entitled to choose to be an idiot and wear or not protective clothing - rather than be dictated to by medical professionals who 'know better' .
Mr Budgie - life is dangerous and I guess you're going to pop a valve one day if idiots doing stupid things presses your buttons - I too have scraped up my share of dead bikers in my life time to know that people are responsible for their own decisions - right or wrong!
stupid peoples bad decisions keep most emergency services in work - hospitals would be very empty places if they only treated conditions that the patient had no involvement in!
So the Emergency Services should all be grateful to idiots out there who ignore common sense and readily available safety equipment in the name of 'freedom of choice'
Ridiculous.
In case anyone thinks I'm a Medical Professional - I'm not, I am however a biker with common sense.
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How many times how I typed this on here over the years :rollin
I like riding lidless sometimes, totally different ride to when I dressed up like a super hero feeling invincible.
Helmets only stop penetrative injuries, they don't stop your brain flying around inside your skull becoming something similar to what you would get if you dropped a bowl of jelly on the floor.
As the famous quote by a A&E doctor goes about bikers in full leathers
"I like bikers, at least all the bits arrive in the same bag"
It's what's inside your helmet that with keep you alive, not what's wrapped your head and body
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As ever the extreme examples have to come out - lets all wear helmets in cars, no dangerous sports et al.
This is about using your common sense to avoid serious injury and the consequences, not about freedom of choice to risk injury playing sport etc,
COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!
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If it keeps one biker out of A&E then yes, protective clothing must be compulsory, it's subsidized anyway.
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If it keeps one driver out of the mortuary then yes, helmets must be made compulsory, its subsidised anyway.
Going by the logic.
You talk about extreme?
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As ever the extreme examples have to come out - lets all wear helmets in cars, no dangerous sports et al.
This is about using your common sense to avoid serious injury and the consequences, not about freedom of choice to risk injury playing sport etc,
COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!
I did use common sense, i assessed the risk at that time & off i went, it was uber early am bank holiday with nobody about,ive been in more danger on my mountain bike,i rode real slow, was probably about a 3 minute drive, i seen 3 cars during the trip & they were passing the garage as i was filling up.
Like i said i wont be doing it again, it was like trying a cigarette just to see what it was like & i hated it. But i did make a judgement.
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Common Sense in that case dictates that we do not get on bikes as it is inherently dangerous and is more so by the fact that most cagers are blind to their surroundings.
You have a right and choice to voice your point of view but under your own argument we should all be dictated to like the Chines
Daz
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Helmets in cars are an extreme, yes,
Protective clothing on bikes is common sense.
I reserve the right to identify those that do not wear protective clothing when it is so readily and cheaply available as idiots.
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It appears that you reserved the right to call it to other posters as well.
Well done
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And by the way, its about 70 quid for decent protective trousers. That ain't cheap
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http://www.damninteresting.com/the-balance-of-risk/ (http://www.damninteresting.com/the-balance-of-risk/)
how many guys won't be hitting trees and hedges trying to get there knees down on corners,
if they were wearing shorts ;)
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" Truth is Subjectivity."
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Well budgie, you are entitled to your opinion and that's fine. But other people are entitled to a different opinion and that doesn't make them idiots or selfish.
I am sure there are plenty people that work in the NHS that see terrible things that still smoke, drink and eat too much.
Only a person who has never been fat or smoked can be so condescending to people who struggle with these issues. I don't know of any fat people who don't wish to be thin.
Everyone at some point makes decisions in life that can have bad consequences. I am sure at some point in your life this will happen to you. Hopefully you won't get told your a selfish twonk that doesn't deserve attention when you do.
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And by the way, its about 70 quid for decent protective trousers. That ain't cheap
Minimum! But that said, personally I value the skin on my body at a fair bit more than £70!
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If you got it go for it. I paid that for my textile ones second hand. It still aint cheap.
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Well budgie, you are entitled to your opinion and that's fine. But other people are entitled to a different opinion and that doesn't make them idiots or selfish.
I am sure there are plenty people that work in the NHS that see terrible things that still smoke, drink and eat too much.
Only a person who has never been fat or smoked can be so condescending to people who struggle with these issues. I don't know of any fat people who don't wish to be thin.
Everyone at some point makes decisions in life that can have bad consequences. I am sure at some point in your life this will happen to you. Hopefully you won't get told your a selfish twonk that doesn't deserve attention when you do.
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First of all show me exactly where I have said anyone does not deserve treatment - because I haven't, Read through the fucking thread before throwing comments out.
Second of all it's one thing to call people idiots for ignoring common sense but wishing bad stuff on people fro expressing an opinion is just sick.
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If you got it go for it. I paid that for my textile ones second hand. It still aint cheap.
How much would you pay for a pair of Levis?
Hein Gericke start CE approved textile trousers at £59 I reckon the skin on my legs is worth all of that and more.
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I'd pay 20 quid for levi like I would any other denims. Except those that have the proper kevlar stuff but they still ain't cheap. Is 70 quid something to be sniffed at nowadays?
It appears I might still be stuck in 1995 where 70 notes was actually considered a lot of money.
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And as an aside Budgie, no-one has wished you ill for expressing your opinion, least of all that last poster. Maybe you just read what you want to read. Thats fine as well. Charge on. Maybe take a breath tho eh?
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Well budgie, you are entitled to your opinion and that's fine. But other people are entitled to a different opinion and that doesn't make them idiots or selfish.
I am sure there are plenty people that work in the NHS that see terrible things that still smoke, drink and eat too much.
Only a person who has never been fat or smoked can be so condescending to people who struggle with these issues. I don't know of any fat people who don't wish to be thin.
Everyone at some point makes decisions in life that can have bad consequences. I am sure at some point in your life this will happen to you. Hopefully you won't get told your a selfish twonk that doesn't deserve attention when you do.
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First of all show me exactly where I have said anyone does not deserve treatment - because I haven't, Read through the fucking thread before throwing comments out.
Second of all it's one thing to call people idiots for ignoring common sense but wishing bad stuff on people fro expressing an opinion is just sick.
Well you can get off your high horse swearing at me and I didn't wish bad stuff on you. I said that at some point you may make a bad decision that ends up with bad consequences. Which is different.
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I'd pay 20 quid for levi like I would any other denims. Except those that have the proper kevlar stuff but they still ain't cheap. Is 70 quid something to be sniffed at nowadays?
It appears I might still be stuck in 1995 where 70 notes was actually considered a lot of money.
Don't get me wrong mate, being a student I'm aware of £70 (it's about 20 pints :lol ). However when you put it like that for me, I'd be more than happy to drop the pints and pay that for a pair of trousers!
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(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d9/chaparral02/teeny2.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/chaparral02/media/teeny2.jpg.html)
Just an old pic I found on my PC..
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Just a point, don't you have to pay for treatment if you're in a R T A? or your insurance company has to, I don't think this counts as a claim?
just googled this?
On the basis of some quick research to verify my assumptions, this is all covered by Section 158 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and permitted under paragraph 484.4 of the GMS contract.
It is done to ensure that the full cost of medical treatment consequential from a motor accident is met by the relevant motor insurance policy. All such policies must include this cover in order to be valid.
The BMA Guidance (http://www.bma.org.uk/images/Fees7_tcm41-146711.pdf) suggests that an account be presented (rather than cash paid at reception before the appointment), perhaps to be forwarded to the driver or their insurance company.
NHS Hospitals have a direct arrangement for recovery of costs from the insurance companies.
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have her rear air bags inflated ?
Just an old pic I found on my PC..
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And as an aside Budgie, no-one has wished you ill for expressing your opinion, least of all that last poster. Maybe you just read what you want to read. Thats fine as well. Charge on. Maybe take a breath tho eh?
I read what the poster wrote a responded accordingly, what's the issue?
My answer was clearly directed at that poster and no one else.
Despite the attempts I am not actually biting or breathing heavy, I am quite happy to have my opinion and express it in any way I see fit.
If you don't try to get your point across then you'll never succeed.
I welcome compulsory protective clothing
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Just a point, don't you have to pay for treatment if you're in a R T A? or your insurance company has to, I don't think this counts as a claim?
just googled this?
On the basis of some quick research to verify my assumptions, this is all covered by Section 158 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and permitted under paragraph 484.4 of the GMS contract.
It is done to ensure that the full cost of medical treatment consequential from a motor accident is met by the relevant motor insurance policy. All such policies must include this cover in order to be valid.
The BMA Guidance ([url]http://www.bma.org.uk/images/Fees7_tcm41-146711.pdf[/url]) suggests that an account be presented (rather than cash paid at reception before the appointment), perhaps to be forwarded to the driver or their insurance company.
NHS Hospitals have a direct arrangement for recovery of costs from the insurance companies.
I have just been involved in a R T A no one else involved, taken by ambulance,4 x rays and have not been charged a penny.
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I welcome compulsory protective clothing
I guess that you would have welcomed the compulsory 100BHP limit and compulsory leg protectors when they were proposed and existed, even thou that leg protectors was proved to move injuries further up the body.
They were regarded as commons sense safety proposals and that time to protect those idiots that ride around on 2 wheels instead of being safely tucked up in a side-impact airbag filled coc0on totally detached from their surroundings car.
MAG drew the line at the Helmet law for a reason, they could see that it could be the start of the racheting of bikes out of existence, due to safety issues.
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Raz, if it keeps one biker out of casualty yada yada yada.
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[quote author=Adrian6171 link=topic=7663.msg74592#msg74592 date=1368016115
I have just been involved in a R T A no one else involved, taken by ambulance,4 x rays and have not been charged a penny.
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Don't count those chickens just yet, Adrian...
My brother's experience - he swerved to avoid a cat that ran in the road, and dropped his 125. Ambulance attended (he didn't call them, twas a passerby) and he got a bill a while later.
My experience - got knocked off my pushbike by a fecking eejit, put a hole in the front of my knee. I launched a civil claim against him ( because he denied all responsibility!) and as part of that claim, the nhs claimed cost of treatment from him.
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[quote author=Adrian6171 link=topic=7663.msg74592#msg74592 date=1368016115
I have just been involved in a R T A no one else involved, taken by ambulance,4 x rays and have not been charged a penny.
Don't count those chickens just yet, Adrian...
My brother's experience - he swerved to avoid a cat that ran in the road, and dropped his 125. Ambulance attended (he didn't call them, twas a passerby) and he got a bill a while later.
My experience - got knocked off my pushbike by a fecking eejit, put a hole in the front of my knee. I launched a civil claim against him ( because he denied all responsibility!) and as part of that claim, the nhs claimed cost of treatment from him.
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LOL,well you really no how to make a bloke happy,although it was almost 2 months ago,so fingers crossed.
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I welcome compulsory protective clothing
I guess that you would have welcomed the compulsory 100BHP limit and compulsory leg protectors when they were proposed and existed, even thou that leg protectors was proved to move injuries further up the body.
They were regarded as commons sense safety proposals and that time to protect those idiots that ride around on 2 wheels instead of being safely tucked up in a side-impact airbag filled coc0on totally detached from their surroundings car.
MAG drew the line at the Helmet law for a reason, they could see that it could be the start of the racheting of bikes out of existence, due to safety issues.
No and no because they are not common sense - again extreme arguments, leg protectors and BHP limits are not no brainers - buying a jacket with armour or leather trousers is an obvious gain that enhances your riding experience as it makes you less likely to injure yourself, leg protectors and BHP limits will do that but also considerably affect the riding experience.
The die hard t shirt wearing crew on here obviously put image above personal safety and fair enough, carry on with it, I choose to protect myself as much as possible and reduce the risk - you can thank me for that when you get your tax bill, your insurance bill and are still able to ride your unrestricted bikes because you are far too short sighted to see the big picture of more serious accidents = more reasons to legislate bikes.
And please, do you really think MAG had anything to do with 'drawing the line at helmets' this government takes no notice of tax paying voters, so to think they'd pay any attention to a bunch of bikers 'cos they formed a club is ludicrous.
They didn't bring in leg protectors because of pressure from the manufacturers and that's the only reason.
100 BHP limits will come if we keep sticking bikers in hospital, the government won't care that your accident happened at sub speed limit speeds, they will do their usual knee jerk reaction
Ignore it as much as you like but less bike accidents that result in hospital treatment means less time spent on statistical radar.
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No and no because they are not common sense - again extreme arguments, leg protectors and BHP limits are not no brainers - buying a jacket with armour or leather trousers is an obvious gain that enhances your riding experience as it makes you less likely to injure yourself, leg protectors and BHP limits will do that but also considerably affect the riding experience.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
so stuffing your head in a piece of fibre glass doesn't affect your riding experience
and wearing a T-shirt has nothing to do with image, it's about the riding experience and feeling connected.
Experiencing the wind getting a proper sense of the speed you are travelling at and generally being more aware of what you are doing, and not feeling insulated in a false sense of sercurity provided by a few bits of textile leather and plastic.
Read the stuff on risk compensation and maybe you'll get it.
Oh and on the helmet thing ask your helmet manufacturer about increased neck and spinal injurieswhen wearing a helmet. oh and hope those magnificient leathers of yours magically stop the internal organ ruptures so common in motorcycle accidents.
Like I said, it's what's in the skull that keeps you alive, not what's wrapped around it.
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Been in two traffic accidents myself now, and know a lot of friends that have. None of us have ever been charged for using NHS ambulances, and no-one will be - that's the whole point of the NHS! Don't know about the reclaiming the NHS costs from the other insurance company bit as that's not something I've ever dealt with, but you definitely won't have to pay for getting in a non-private ambulance!
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Been in two traffic accidents myself now, and know a lot of friends that have. None of us have ever been charged for using NHS ambulances, and no-one will be - that's the whole point of the NHS! Don't know about the reclaiming the NHS costs from the other insurance company bit as that's not something I've ever dealt with, but you definitely won't have to pay for getting in a non-private ambulance!
It appears you can be charged, a simple Google shows you your car/bike insurance would cover it though.
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-guides/technical-guidance/z1-recovery-of-benefits-and/7.-the-law-nhs-charges-part-2/ (http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-guides/technical-guidance/z1-recovery-of-benefits-and/7.-the-law-nhs-charges-part-2/)
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080514054947AAcf5qL (http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080514054947AAcf5qL)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6225269/Motorcyclist-billed-for-damaging-road-after-accident-with-sheep.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6225269/Motorcyclist-billed-for-damaging-road-after-accident-with-sheep.html)
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Been in two traffic accidents myself now, and know a lot of friends that have. None of us have ever been charged for using NHS ambulances, and no-one will be - that's the whole point of the NHS! Don't know about the reclaiming the NHS costs from the other insurance company bit as that's not something I've ever dealt with, but you definitely won't have to pay for getting in a non-private ambulance!
It appears you can be charged, a simple Google shows you your car/bike insurance would cover it though.
[url]http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-guides/technical-guidance/z1-recovery-of-benefits-and/7.-the-law-nhs-charges-part-2/[/url] ([url]http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-guides/technical-guidance/z1-recovery-of-benefits-and/7.-the-law-nhs-charges-part-2/[/url])
[url]http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080514054947AAcf5qL[/url] ([url]http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080514054947AAcf5qL[/url])
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6225269/Motorcyclist-billed-for-damaging-road-after-accident-with-sheep.html[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6225269/Motorcyclist-billed-for-damaging-road-after-accident-with-sheep.html[/url])
This post is a mistake and I can't remove it :lol
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Was in an accident in the 80's was my fault got charged £10 for the Ambulance,
Worked out a pound a stitch :lol
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.dh.gov.uk/en/publicationsandstatistics/publications/annualreports/browsable/DH_5285481 (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.dh.gov.uk/en/publicationsandstatistics/publications/annualreports/browsable/DH_5285481)
3.52 Since the 1930s, hospitals have been able to recover the cost of treating those injured in road traffic accidents who have gone on to make a successful claim for personal injury compensation. The principle behind this is that those causing injury to others should pay the full cost of their actions, including any related health care costs.
3.53 The system of recovering these costs changed in April 1999 under the provisions contained in the Road Traffic (NHS Charges) Act 1999. The 1999 Act introduced a new, more efficient system of cost recovery with income now being recovered centrally from insurers by the Compensation Recovery Unit (CRU), which is part of the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).
3.54 CRU recovers around £105 million per year and the money is paid direct to hospitals that have provided treatment. Work is currently underway to expand the current scheme so that in the future NHS hospital treatment and NHS ambulance service costs can be recovered in all cases where personal injury compensation is paid. The legislative framework for this is contained in Part 3 of the Health and Social Care (Community Health and Standards) Act 2003.
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I was involved in an off in 85 and I was knocked out. A member of public called the ambulance but I was up and about by time they arrived. I declined treatment and transport as a young fool I was but was reliably informed I could be charged for their services even though I had not called them. I did have to signed stating treatment declined.
I do find it some what odd if your involved in an accident requiring hospital treatment that if you claim against a party they are charged but then if you hold insurance your premiums go up if not at fault! Thats another thread I think.
Daz
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I binned my 650 AJS in front or Selby Abbey in the early 70's someone called the police and ambulance, the G F went in the ambulance I went with the police, it was 11.30pm and we had just left the pub? After making a statement and not being breathalized, yes it was out then, I walked to the hospital to see how the G F was, all OK, the nurse asked if I was OK, I had a graze on my elbow where I'd slid down the road and worn through my belstaff (still got it), so she stuck a plaster on it.
I got a bill for two lots of treatment I think it was £10 each or £10 in total, I was on £15 take home a week, that was an expensive plaster?
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so stuffing your head in a piece of fibre glass doesn't affect your riding experience
and wearing a T-shirt has nothing to do with image, it's about the riding experience and feeling connected.
Experiencing the wind getting a proper sense of the speed you are travelling at and generally being more aware of what you are doing, and not feeling insulated in a false sense of sercurity provided by a few bits of textile leather and plastic.
Read the stuff on risk compensation and maybe you'll get it.
Oh and on the helmet thing ask your helmet manufacturer about increased neck and spinal injurieswhen wearing a helmet. oh and hope those magnificient leathers of yours magically stop the internal organ ruptures so common in motorcycle accidents.
Like I said, it's what's in the skull that keeps you alive, not what's wrapped around it.
You really believe that load of tripe? I doubt it.
Flies, stones and fag butts in the face at 70 MPH really enhance your riding experience don't they. :rolleyes
The risk of additional injury from wearing a helmet is miniscule compared to the risk of not wearing one, ever banged your head on the cupboard door? Of course you have and it must have been a few times judging by the post above :rollin
Try doing it at 30 MPH and see how much more it hurts, then again at 50 and 70 - repeat until sense knocked in or dead.
You want to ride in a t shirt go ahead, enjoy the sense of wind on your arms, I just hope you never fall off and experience skin grafts 'cos they never really heal
Risk compensation - utter nonsense, risk is down to the individual as you are clearly indicating, what is acceptable risk for you is not for me, I do not think I'm invincible because of protective clothing, I'm just being sensible and trying to minimize my personal risk and the impact it has on others.
To intimate that because of a helmet, some gloves and a protective jacket someone is going ride more carelessly is laughable - accidents are not always the fault of the person involved - Risk Compensate that!!
Oh and try reading my posts before commenting, I don't wear leathers and have stated that clearly, too expensive and textiles are as good as or better these days and much cheaper.
Common Sense is your choice, Darwinism will handle the rest.
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I think you're alone in that judgement. Textiles are nowhere near as good as leathers, they just give you waterproofing.
I doubt you'll listen to anyone else's opinion though, so go on believing that.
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Rode to work in work jacket light combats and Riggers today
Used a top Handle Chainsaw at ground level with just a pair of safety glasses, no other PPE, climbed into a confined space even thou my tickets expired, and next week I with be driving a dumper even thou my tickets expired.
If your not living on the edge you're taking up too much room :smokin
And you clearly haven't read any research in risk compensation
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Rode to work in work jacket light combats and Riggers today
Used a top Handle Chainsaw at ground level with just a pair of safety glasses, no other PPE, climbed into a confined space even thou my tickets expired, and next week I with be driving a dumper even thou my tickets expired.
If your not living on the edge you're taking up too much room :smokin
And you clearly haven't read any research in risk compensation
I'd expect this type of comment from a superbike owner rather than a Fazer owner. I wear leathers and a helmet as a MINIMUM level of protection. I probably ride quicker because of them, but.without them I probably wouldn't ride at all.
Motorcycles are dangerous enough without the risk of titanium plates, coma and death being even higher up the level of risk than it is for bikers already.
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Just got off phone with the Compensation Recovery Unit at the DWP (http://www.dwp.gov.uk/other-specialists/compensation-recovery-unit/ (http://www.dwp.gov.uk/other-specialists/compensation-recovery-unit/)) after reading this thread.
I had an off that was a goddamn suped up, tinted windows, boy racer's fault - no broken bones. Turns out if you do win a personal injury claim then the insurer who pays out has a legal responsibility to compensate both the NHS for any treatment you had, and the DWP for any benefits you might've claimed (I didn't do either but did get a free ride in an ambulance with a suspected fractured leg bone - that's the one connected to your knee bone).
This is a great thing and has cheered me up today. Means that everyone's hard payed tax money doesn't go into repairing the damage done by idiot drivers.
On the other side though - probably does push up insurance prices :'(
I told them the details of my accident and said I'd send them any paperwork so they can check if the other guy's company had actual fulfilled its obligations.
Oh and by the way - I was wearing full armoured textile jacket and trousers, sharp 5* helmet, leather armoured boots and gloves and high vis jacket. Still hurt like hell, but at least I'm here to bore you all with this story.
All the gear, all the time motherfoccers. :fish
*edit - typo on last line
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I'm glad you were armoured up and came out of it ok. Good luck.
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Glad you are ok.....
Bet you were glad of that hi-viz eh? Wasnt long ago hundreds of thousands of us protested against compulsorary hi viz (among other euro legislation).
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I'm pretty much against anything compulsory - so would've been there along side you at the protest if I ever left London. Wear a hi vis in London rush hour traffic so that (nearly) everyone sees me. But if someone told me I HAD to wear it - I'd be pissed.
You should be able to do what you like in this life as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.
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I think you're alone in that judgement. Textiles are nowhere near as good as leathers, they just give you waterproofing.
I doubt you'll listen to anyone else's opinion though, so go on believing that.
You're absolutely right
I won't listen to your opinion
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I think you're alone in that judgement. Textiles are nowhere near as good as leathers, they just give you waterproofing.
I doubt you'll listen to anyone else's opinion though, so go on believing that.
You're absolutely right
I won't listen to your opinion
Why is it that every motorcycle racer wears leather and not textiles?
I've done a bit of racing in my youth and had a few tumbles, my leathers literally saved my skin. How many crashes have you had in your textiles?
Si
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I think you're alone in that judgement. Textiles are nowhere near as good as leathers, they just give you waterproofing.
I doubt you'll listen to anyone else's opinion though, so go on believing that.
You're absolutely right
I won't listen to your opinion
Why is it that every motorcycle racer wears leather and not textiles?
I've done a bit of racing in my youth and had a few tumbles, my leathers literally saved my skin. How many crashes have you had in your textiles?
Si
Give up dude. Science/reality isn't their strong point.
Just to compound my point I'll quote Wikipedia, which whilst not being the best source is good enough for me. "Top-quality motorcycle leather is superior to any practical man-made fabric for abrasion protection and is still used in racing" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather)).
Leather is more durable and provides superior protection with the negatives of being too hot and not being waterproof. One big fall in textiles and if they're not ruined you threw a 6. Leather will withstand multiple crashes. Valentino Rossi wears leathers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dainese (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dainese)).
I'll not be drawn in to this any more :lol
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everal years ago there was a magazine test (in the Motorcyclist) to compare the abrasion resistence of motorcycle riding gear materials, notably textiles vs leathers. The test was conducted by placing a heavy weight on top of the materials, and dragging it behind a car with heavy rope to see how far it would go before a hole wore through. Unsurprisingly, leather was the most durable. Kevlar was next, but only slightly behind the leather. Furthermore, leather does not melt from friction, it will cushion your fall more than textiles and offers the best protection against a road rash. The fact that leather also lasts through multiple crashes whilst textiles will probably only last through one, says a lot about the difference in protection and impact between the two materials. It is undesputable that leather offers better protection in the case of an accident
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Watch it be disputed
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by placing a heavy weight on top of the materials, and dragging it behind a car with heavy rope to see how far it would go before a hole wore through
I remember Ride mag did a similar test some years ago but I think they used a belt sander.
And there are differences in the types of leather to, Kangeroo being the best I think, but memories not as good as it was
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I started a thread on the old board a good while back about makimg your own gear. Rapturous response to it obviously. Or not.
Anyways I found this guy in europe made a website on it amd tested out different materials with a spinny spinny stone bench grinder. Interesting site. Should maybe go look for it again cos I still fancy givin it a shot. I got access to industrial sewing facilities if I need em so the thought has always been there
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Do you think the wife would notice if i cut a suit out of the sofa.
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Mind you theres not much protection to had from velour.
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I hear creme eggs are pretty good protection
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,7646.msg74058.html#msg74058 (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,7646.msg74058.html#msg74058)
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Ha ha you right si there is a use for them..
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Just come across this with an awesome helmet and one armed rider
Fz1 Ride 150+ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VOY-ft6U1I#)
Daz
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Well he should pass the MOT with horns like that, i counted two arms, there may be more, you gotta laugh at the sorts that bikes attract, we definately are not all from the same mould
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I fall down a lot. Off motorcycles and bicycles. Got hit by a car while riding bicycle 4 times, once on a motorcycle.
I love riding without helmet and protective gear. But when I do, I ride accordingly. Never over 40 km/h. Like a bicycle. And carefully. Avoiding heavy traffic etc. I often ride more safe without helmet and gear for that reason. Heat doesn't bother me so I ride a lot slower in the summer when I'm not packed. When I put on leathers, I often catch myself going faster and faster.
Riding bicycle at 80 km/h (downhill of course) is a lot more scary and dangerous than riding motorcycle 100 km/h, and what protective leathers do you see cyclists wear? Helmet and gloves if really conscious.
Point is that everyone chooses for themselves and risk is a relative thing. 4 times hit by a car on a bicycle lane, green light - couldn't be "safer". Riding in the middle of a crowded car lane, I'm a lot more alert, adjust riding accordingly and never had any accidents. Figure that out?
Having said all this, whenever I DO fall, I wish I had ALL the possible gear on me, but the fact I ride safer and more carefully when just in shorts and fast goggles is true. So each to their own. Ride, enjoy life and help bikers when they need it - give advice on good equipment if you can, but don't judge people for not wearing full leathers.