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General => General => Topic started by: slimwilly on 24 April 2013, 06:30:15 pm
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Is i correct that police riders always stay sat on the middle of the seat and lean the bike in and trust the tyres?
That is actually how i ride, i have not as yet started to slide down the seat and hang my knee out, i have nearly got rid of my chicken strips,only about 5mm left until the edge and we have not had a warm ride out yet.I feel very confident riding these bikes ,these FZ1s do give you alot of confidence in corners.
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There is little which more stupid than a rider on a bike hanging off, knee out and not getting their knee anywhere near the deck.
Besides, you will get rid of the chicken strips quicker if you dont hang off.
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Its a bit of a debate with the old hanging off trick.
Cops don't do it because its not necessary, and looks a bit daft on a touring bike. Also the general publics perception of this would not be particularily good.
I ride an fz1s, and they do install you with confidence, even more so than my old R1 on public roads. I edge the back tyre out on dry days, and don't hang off (wouldn't know how to do it). I think it might be a track day thing myself. ::)
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Many moons ago, before I'd even passed my cbt, I was pillion behind a friend. We were on a gpz305,so obviously a beast of a machine! Coming off the autobahn (lived in Germany at the time) 3 power rangers on blades etc came past us on the (long) slip road, and then got hard on the brakes for the tight corner, shifted weight, stuck their knees out and tipped their bikes into the corner.
God knows what they thought as Jon took us round the outside of all 3 of them, nice and sedate 2 up on a gpz305! :rollin
Point is, I suppose, there's just no need for it, unless you are really REALLY shifting. Most people are doing it because they think it looks cool - but unless your name is Marquez, it doesn't!
Guy that taught me to ride, had been a courier in Manchester - place they used to congregate was round the corner from hein gericke. They regularly saw power rangers park up (out of sight of HG) and scrape their knee sliders on the wall to get bragging rights. Who knows, they were almost certainly not much quicker riders than those 3 Germans, but were just as big a group of cocks.
So that's why police riders don't hang off - there's no need!
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I like to see people hanging off whether they get their knee down or not, it means their having fun. That's what biking's all about isn't it ? Me personally think my legs are too short to break in my knee sliders but when nobody's watching, doesn't stop me trying. :)
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Its a good idea to hang off when you are short of clearance. The FZS600 grinds out when you are far enough over so you really aught to hang off of back off just before that point!
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I like to see people hanging off whether they get their knee down or not, it means their having fun. That's what biking's all about isn't it ? Me personally think my legs are too short to break in my knee sliders but when nobody's watching, doesn't stop me trying. :)
I have really long legs, and still fail! With this better weather, going to be trying a bit harder... I refuse to scrub the sliders by "dubious" means though - doesn't count! :D
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Its a good idea to hang off when you are short of clearance. The FZS600 grinds out when you are far enough over so you really aught to hang off of back off just before that point!
Holy shit, how far over do you go :eek ? I have regularily edged out the rear tyre on all 3 of my boxeye's in the past, and have never grounded it once in over 100k. You must be going some to do that!! :guitar
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The pegs touch down right enough (or used to, I've slowed down in my old age :) ), but nothing solid and unforgiving ever did!
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Its a good idea to hang off when you are short of clearance. The FZS600 grinds out when you are far enough over so you really aught to hang off of back off just before that point!
Holy shit, how far over do you go :eek ? I have regularily edged out the rear tyre on all 3 of my boxeye's in the past, and have never grounded it once in over 100k. You must be going some to do that!! :guitar
Pretty far, I'm guessing! I regularly grind my toes on the tar, but only scraped my "hero blobs" (as Exupnuts calls the doodahs on my pegs) once, when swerving violently to avoid an Audi when I took a corner too hot.
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If you're on a superbike and tenths of a second count I'd guess hanging off makes a difference. In the real world not so much, especially on a fully bloated police tourer.
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To be fair I have never ridden bigger than a 600..but my foxeye has no chicken strips and I have ground my toes ( not riding wirh commuter feet ;) ) and too often hit the hero blobs.... but have never had to hang off!!!!!
Good balance and proper counter steer puts the bike exactly where I want it. Plus being seated I find it easier and quicker to get back on the power.
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To be fair I have never ridden bigger than a 600..but my foxeye has no chicken strips and I have ground my toes ( not riding wirh commuter feet ;) ) and too often hit the hero blobs.... but have never had to hang off!!!!!
Good balance and proper counter steer puts the bike exactly where I want it. Plus being seated I find it easier and quicker to get back on the power.
I find I get the power on sooner when I hang off as the bike is already more upright. Plus, it's an easy matter to give the bars a little flick to get you back in the seat - and good fun too! ;)
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Personally hanging off is better saved for track days as SMIDSY does not give pain relieve so I tend to make my presences as big as possible. Basically I is a lazy sod and throwing it round corners takes allot of energy of which can be better employed in doing nothing. Daz
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Personally hanging off is better saved for track days as SMIDSY does not give pain relieve so I tend to make my presences as big as possible. Basically I is a lazy sod and throwing it round corners takes allot of energy of which can be better employed in doing nothing. Daz
That's what I meant about counter steer, gives the same result from a tiny amount of pressure in the wrist/arms :D
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Personally hanging off is better saved for track days as SMIDSY does not give pain relieve so I tend to make my presences as big as possible. Basically I is a lazy sod and throwing it round corners takes allot of energy of which can be better employed in doing nothing. Daz
That's what I meant about counter steer, gives the same result from a tiny amount of pressure in the wrist/arms :D
Totally agree. I do tend to tuck so my elbows are same hight as bars and the counter steering is allot smoother, easier and still in a position that allows the bike to do its job, although the FZS600 allows you to chose your seating preferences. How many times do we see super bike riders sat up right and straight armed? I think that says allot about how tiring it can be. All riders including emergency services have to trade off energy levels for the length and type of riding including environment.
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Personally hanging off is better saved for track days as SMIDSY does not give pain relieve so I tend to make my presences as big as possible. Basically I is a lazy sod and throwing it round corners takes allot of energy of which can be better employed in doing nothing. Daz
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Way too many power ranger out there, guys with an ego writing cheque's that their butt cant cash :lol
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Personally haven't found a need to hang off - feel much happier planted in the seat and using the throttle and proper counter-steering to get around the twisties :D
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Hang off, I have enough bother hanging on !!!!
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Hang off, I have enough bother hanging on !!!!
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Hang off, I have enough bother hanging on !!!!
:evil :evil proves that ya doing it right :D
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I first noticed the hanging off style when i was following a sports bike about ten years ago, i was on my 1100 virago , we were in some very nice twisties and he was like a monkey an banana tree, all over the bike :lol , hanging knees out, i just sat planted in the seat and followed him close .Now my mate on his Gixxer thou went on a |Ron Haslam track day last year and now when i go out with him he is doing the same,like a dog with worms :lol .
They found a small roundabout where they actually got there knee down,ha ha ,fools,round and round,i looked on with horror :eek .
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I thin it was Fazey - the club creator that was getting his link pipe and engine down (after grinding out the pegs). Engine bars lower cornering clearance quite a bit.
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9/10ths and above and arsing about, then hanging off and moving the c-o-g inwards and down is a must. Doesnt stop the pegs grinding out on a regular basis.
(pegs are 1/2" higher and have very short stainless bolts as doodabs)
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I love hanging off the bike, never got my knee down though (I did get the side of my boot down round Snetterton mind, and that's with the rear set high to give the exhaust clearance).
It really shits you up when you start levering the bike off the ground with the exhaust (think 5p 50p etc..)
One thing I did find whilst negotiating roundabouts, if I hit some gravel or whatever mid-corner that the bike was more stable (i.e. recovered more quickly) if I had shifted my body so the center of gravity was lower (i.e. hanging off like a loon). I can corner just as quick/slow without hanging off, but it's less stable mid corner if something goes tits-up - just my opinion though.
The old fzs600 emarrassed quite a few gixxers in the bends at Snetterton (used to go round the outside of them :) ) they left me for dust on the straights mind, only to have me shoot round the outside of them at the next bend hehehe :)
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My knee down attempts are beginning to piss me off.
There is no more rubber to run in on the rear, yet my knee is still a mile away from the ground. And I manage to scrape my toes on roundabouts too.
As I said. It's beginning to piss me off.
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i'm not a knee down merchant but i do hang off/shift body weight a lot. i find it more planted for some reason. i cant justify doing it. it just sort of works for me. but each to his/her own.
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My knee down attempts are beginning to piss me off.
There is no more rubber to run in on the rear, yet my knee is still a mile away from the ground. And I manage to scrape my toes on roundabouts too.
As I said. It's beginning to piss me off.
From what I've been told this is down to body position. I knew someone who could get their knee down whilst the bike was upright, but then he was about 7ft tall :)
I have the same problem as you though - it's all about position.
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My knee down attempts are beginning to piss me off.
There is no more rubber to run in on the rear, yet my knee is still a mile away from the ground. And I manage to scrape my toes on roundabouts too.
As I said. It's beginning to piss me off.
From what I've been told this is down to body position. I knew someone who could get their knee down whilst the bike was upright, but then he was about 7ft tall :)
I have the same problem as you though - it's all about position.
Not sure... I'm following the Keith Code and MCN advice to the letter, and my mechanic (an ex-sports bike enthusiast) seemed to think my body position was fine. There's an annoying lack of isolated nice roundabouts round here though.... maybe Bozboz can give me some pointers on the Box Hill LoFo run - the only scuffs on my sliders are from the cupboard, and it's annoying me!!
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always wanted to get me knee down but was shit scared to do it but since starting the IAM course, I've learnt that a bike is at its most stable when upright and under some power..............I guess that's why the Police do what they do
I'm now counter steering through bends whilst still upright (ish) and its easy once you know how and have a bit of confidence, same for knee down I reckon
a few yrs back I read a piece in MCN about 2 power rangers who thought they were the nuts, went to a track with the race bikes, 2 plod on their Police beasts and thought they'd outrun the Plod................wrong!
1st PR clocked a time and thought he was good, 1st plod beat it hands down from a bolt upright riding position.
2nd PR shaved a few seconds off his mates time and thought "I'm the dogs" only for the 2nd plod to smash all records again upright.
The PR's said that they always said they'd try and outrun plod if chased but would now pull over immediately as they knew they had no chance of getting away, they said the Plods skills were awesome
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Cos of this thread I have now been trying hanging off, im still having to think about it too much to really give it full beans but have experienced the feeling of the bike being more planted in an upright position. But still not convinced that even with a lot more practice that I could actually achieve more speed or a better line? Gonna try it some more whilst the sun is out just cos as an engineer the peoof is in the testing :D
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Hanging off is like wanking; it's pointless and shows everybody you're a tosser. BUT it feels great, so most blokes do it more than they let on.
Can we assume that cops don't wank either then? Maybe that's why they're so uptight?
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Save your hanging off for the track, pay for a Trackday tutorial, and learn to do it properly if that flicks your switch.
If you mess it up on the road mid bend, there's little you can do to correct it with your arse being in the breeze. Oh and you'll look like a tw@ too!
Just been out for 100 mile rideout, flew past some silly power ranger on his sports bike trying to do that. Unless your Rossi, it'll just slow you down and unbalance the bike, as the vast majority of people (including me) don't know how to do it properly.:-\
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Maybe they do what I do and just shift weight onto the relevant cheek, works wonders and you don't look like a cock. ;)
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I don't hang off but in my teens had an X7 which had fixed pegs and would dig in if I leant too far over, a few times I had the back jump out quite badly so needed to keep it upright and thus hang off.
I was a lot like Barry Sheene in those days though?
Mickey
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My knee down attempts are beginning to piss me off.
There is no more rubber to run in on the rear, yet my knee is still a mile away from the ground. And I manage to scrape my toes on roundabouts too.
As I said. It's beginning to piss me off.
Spread yer legs darlin'
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See if someone wants to look like a cock end hangin off the side of their bike, what in the name of fuk has it to do with anyone else?
And power rangers? Is this the new black? The buzz word of the week?
Are we saying don't wear leathers now?
"Look at that twat there hanging off the side of his bike with the predator hat and the sponsored onesies. Doesn't he look like a right pillock?"
Says Jim, 37, from Bury St. Edmonds, sporting this seasons new flourescent tabard from Milan favourite, Ross Pah. This seasons line has gone down well at London fashion week with critics and fans alike praising its unprecedented levels of piety and judgement.
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Maybe they do what I do and just shift weight onto the relevant cheek, works wonders and you don't look like a cock. ;)
That's about as much hanging off as I do too. I'm too idle to move my rs any more than that. ::)
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See if someone wants to look like a cock end hangin off the side of their bike, what in the name of fuk has it to do with anyone else?
And power rangers? Is this the new black? The buzz word of the week?
Are we saying don't wear leathers now?
"Look at that twat there hanging off the side of his bike with the predator hat and the sponsored onesies. Doesn't he look like a right pillock?"
Says Jim, 37, from Bury St. Edmonds, sporting this seasons new flourescent tabard from Milan favourite, Ross Pah. This seasons line has gone down well at London fashion week with critics and fans alike praising its unprecedented levels of piety and judgement.
+10 :)
Mind you, when I used to ride past the Fox in Finchingfield there were always loads of posers there with all their multi-coloured onesies on and their lids parked next to their pint etc. Found out some time later that one of the guys who had bought a brand new R1 (within about a week of them going on sale) didn't even have a licence. He lived about 40 yards from the pub and wheeled it there to pose with, in his leathers :D
The number of times I went past that pub on a blue skies kind of day enjoying the ride and wondering what the foc all those bikers were doing sitting down next to their shiny rice burners when they should have been out riding - perhaps it's just me, but bikes are for riding, not for posing with.
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... perhaps it's just me, but bikes are for riding, not for posing with.
And that's why we ride Fazers... :lol :lol
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The whole idea of hanging off the bike is to keep the bike in a more upright position so 1 you go through a corner faster and 2 excelleration can be earlier, because of this hence why racers do it,go and take a look at the great Mike Hailwood as he never was off the bike like riders of todays ilk..
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I guess its all about speed, at a certain corner speed then moving across to lean the bike less is a must,as racers do,but as said at lower speed there is no need, only when you feel the rear moving should you need to put the bike more upright.
I wonder if the roads will be warm enough today to use the final 5mm of tyre.
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Fast road riding is all about observation. The cops and IAM train to a very high standard of observation, and this allows you to ride safely. They don't teach you to hang off as its unnecessary on the road, and tbh, you will go no faster, your concentration will be elsewhere than where it should be. Try riding against a cop biker on his day off and try your hardest to keep up when he turns it on and keeps his rs in the saddle. Especially when some of them ride these for a living.
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Fast road riding is all about observation. The cops and IAM train to a very high standard of observation, and this allows you to ride safely. They don't teach you to hang off as its unnecessary on the road, and tbh, you will go no faster, your concentration will be elsewhere than where it should be. Try riding against a cop biker on his day off and try your hardest to keep up when he turns it on and keeps his rs in the saddle. Especially when some of them ride these for a living.
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And there was me thinking that was your old mug :lol
We know now what to look out for in the Cumbria area cop bike wise.
By the way anyone living in the Wiltshire are want to know the make, model and reg of all the unmarked police cars, i was at Divisional Police HQ last week end for our local IAM AGM. :lol
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and tbh, you will go no faster
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Aye but thats not the point
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Aye but thats not the point
I suppose in a way its a bit like wheelies. They don't make you any faster, but they're certainly a shit load of fun :evil
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besides, if cops hung off the seat they would never get back on due to the amount of stuff strapped to them, such as camera, cuffs, scally stick, tazer, etc etc. that occured to me as i was sat in church this morning...
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There is little which more stupid than a rider on a bike hanging off, knee out and not getting their knee anywhere near the deck.
Besides, you will get rid of the chicken strips quicker if you dont hang off.
It's the posers or is it tossers that hang off. :lol
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I had a good ride up to the Motorcycle museum today and the last thing on my mind was hanging off, what was on my mind was "hanging on" :lol
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See if someone wants to look like a cock end hangin off the side of their bike, what in the name of fuk has it to do with anyone else?
And power rangers? Is this the new black? The buzz word of the week?
Are we saying don't wear leathers now?
"Look at that twat there hanging off the side of his bike with the predator hat and the sponsored onesies. Doesn't he look like a right pillock?"
Says Jim, 37, from Bury St. Edmonds, sporting this seasons new flourescent tabard from Milan favourite, Ross Pah. This seasons line has gone down well at London fashion week with critics and fans alike praising its unprecedented levels of piety and judgement.
Well i must say that i dont often agree with your renagade ways mr tiberius but i think youre genuinely on to somethin here & that comment has made me chuckle big time :lol
So we've started off with a question about the police...& we're now slaughtering people that wear full protective clothing, albeit with a bit of advertising on it & it seems that the message is that it's ok to hang off......so long as you're wearing shorts & t-shirt because that would be socially acceptable & you're obviously listenin to happy hardcore & jus gubbed 10 eccies!!!...but if you even think about spending yur hard earned on a suit because thats what everyones spouting off about at the time & then you decide to have a bit o fun then stand by sunny jim...stand by!!! :(
For the record...im not even a power ranger....well i dont think i am...but im not sure coz it's so confusing knowing what to get these days & how to be acceptable..actually i may as well be one coz i got a brand new set of black "furygan" leathers...plus they've got knee sliders that i've absolutely no inclination to even try to use (mainly coz what i hear is "grip the tank with yur knees for extra control") & yep when i was dreaming about bikes, the gossip at the time was that leather was best....but now it's all adventure bikes,textiles & lookin like a tit wearing bright green :b ....& live with false hope...like wearing an army issue Nuclear,Biological,Chemical suit is really gonna stop you being proper fukd. :eek
I dont know what to believe now, but i dont think ill ever need to get my knee down, opening up my legs,stretching my hip flexors to their max then sticking my knee on a giant sander isnt quite natural yet 8)
How come we dont get this in the car world, like "stick yur dick out the window whilst cornering & you'll go faster" type stuff ha ha tee hee
Let the flaming commence!!! :D
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How come we dont get this in the car world, like "stick yur dick out the window whilst cornering & you'll go faster" type stuff ha ha tee hee
You mean to say that DOESN'T improve acceleration out of corners?!? :eek :eek :eek
Damn! :lol :lol :lol :lol
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no ones slagging anyone who wears protective clothing (I know more than most about PPE through me job and riding)
if you re read my piece, it was a piss take on 2 lads that had all the gear and no idea. They had the race bikes and the leathers and thought they were better riders than the Police coz of it, and quite possible........................they even got their knees down!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as was said previously, most of the "power ranger" types sit in a pub car park going "look at me, aren't I great?"
and when they do ride, its summer only
its a piss take on the individual not on anyone wearing PPE :b
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Power rangers are ace, they have sidecars and miniguns, and kevlar lined lycra for fighting monsters!
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Now your not telling me you wouldn't want to be one???! :rollin :lol
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Hang off, I have enough bother hanging on !!!!
We must be twins or then again it may just be my age.
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Mickey
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no ones slagging anyone who wears protective clothing (I know more than most about PPE through me job and riding)
if you re read my piece, it was a piss take on 2 lads that had all the gear and no idea. They had the race bikes and the leathers and thought they were better riders than the Police coz of it, and quite possible........................they even got their knees down!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as was said previously, most of the "power ranger" types sit in a pub car park going "look at me, aren't I great?"
and when they do ride, its summer only
its a piss take on the individual not on anyone wearing PPE :b
Fair one maddog, i see your point.I was pissed up when i wrote that :rolleyes & i do see the humour in your post, it is amusing,im not sure why i was getting so arsey about it all but i just get a bit surprised that bikers slate other bikers, i suppose it's human nature but i thought all bikers stuck together & stuff & im quite surprised at the various factions kicking about but more the fool me for thinking they wouldnt eh!.I'll talk to anyone me & it doesnt bother me if they wear a full suit or a Hells Angels jacket, although probably the Hells Angels would tell me to Foc off & the guys in the race suits would tell me to go speak to the Hells Angels :lol ,..anyway besides if nobody stood around at biker cafe's then there probably wouldnt be any biker cafe's so long may they continue to drink tea then wheel their bikes around the corner ;)
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I am a proud "power ranger" full leather suit with built in armour colour matched to my bike and boots, all second hand off ebay.
I got into a race with a policeman on his bike at Silverstone two years ago, it was a riders for health day on the full moto gp track, there were loads of us on there and i gradually caught up a copper and it took another lap to finally pass him, great feeling, i think he became a target, he was sure giving it some.
An awesome day out, riders for health, only £30 for a charity day and four laps of the circuit.
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no worries noggy, been there and got the t shirt lol
slimwilly, do they do these days up at oulton park?
sounds a great intro to the track whilst fundraising
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I am sure it was only £30 last few years,well 2, becuse before that it was Donnington.
they seem to have includud a paddock pass and put the price up.
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It was usually on a thursday, a ride in from about forty miles out, Bradley Smith and Niel Mcenzie led us in , we then got four laps of bloody brilliant fun,
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looks a great day mate but a tad too far for me, I'll enquire at Oulton Pk and see if I can get it a bit closer to home
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Can't beat the classic Hailwood style!
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The only trouble with Hailwoods style is that if he lost the rear end slightly he couldn't then prop the bike up and recover like I've seen a few GP riders do.
It also makes him look like a frog :D
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The only trouble with Hailwoods style is that if he lost the rear end slightly he couldn't then prop the bike up and recover like I've seen a few GP riders do.
It also makes him look like a frog :D
Without wanting to detract at all from his accomplishments, the bikes he was racing were considerably slower, maybe lighter? than the current generations of race bikes. Hailwood's style today on the GP track would leave him firmly last.
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As much as its personal preference on wether to hang off or not in my experience the actual type of bike makes a difference too, before retiring the mk1 fazer I was happily grinding the pegs without hero blobs and without hanging off, I went on to a T'cat (well 2 of them) and a Gixxer 750, on those I felt a heck of a lot more comfortable dragging knee round every possible corner!
Just picked up an '03 foxeye today, 200 mile journey home and its gonna take me a few more to get my comfortable riding style down again on this one, 5 year old Conti road attack tyres aren't helping though tbh!
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wahhooo !!! ride em cowboy :lol
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Put any of the current day guys on one of Mike's old bikes and see if they could get round something like the IOM in the times he did.
I bet you they won't even get close......I doubt if they'd even manage to stay on the bike. Because he was riding with archaic suspension, pisspoor brakes, and wafer thin tyres barely better than a bicycle.
The current generation couldn't even begin to imagine riding a bike that they had to battle with just to keep it upright.
So strip away all the high tech from these guys today and you'll see a different picture.
And the reason guys of that era rode in that way was because in those times the damn tyres were square. It was only in the early 70's with Saarinen and then Kenny Roberts that the present riding styles started taking shape due to technology moving forward.
But in Hailwood's day it was no nonsense stuff.......and virtually non existent safety standards. Different world and those guys were brave men.
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Put any of the current day guys on one of Mike's old bikes and see if they could get round something like the IOM in the times he did.
I bet you they won't even get close......I doubt if they'd even manage to stay on the bike. Because he was riding with archaic suspension, pisspoor brakes, and wafer thin tyres barely better than a bicycle.
The current generation couldn't even begin to imagine riding a bike that they had to battle with just to keep it upright.
So strip away all the high tech from these guys today and you'll see a different picture.
And the reason guys of that era rode in that way was because in those times the damn tyres were square. It was only in the early 70's with Saarinen and then Kenny Roberts that the present riding styles started taking shape due to technology moving forward.
But in Hailwood's day it was no nonsense stuff.......and virtually non existent safety standards. Different world and those guys were brave men.
Without a doubt. But the new racers have adapted. In Hailwoods' day, you needed skill, luck, and balls the size of melons to race bikes. Now it appears cushier, buit a whole new skills set is required.
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Yes without doubt things have changed.....but the technology of today allow riders to do the things they do.
But you mentioned adapting.....what happened when Rossi went to Ducati? It didn't work out too well.
As for Hailwood.....he took ten years out and came back to win the TT.....on bikes that were light years ahead of what he was used to. If the ability is there to that degree then it can be done.
But ask yourself how many riders since then have taken 10 years out and then come back and done that? Do you honestly think any riders of today are capable of that?
We only saw a glimpse of the ability that the likes of Hailwood and Saarinen posssessed during that era.....because they were restricted by technology. Though those guys always rode beyond the boundaries of that technology to a level that was untouchable in their day. And totally dominated.
The only rider who's come remotely close to that in the modern era is Mick Doohan. But injuries notwithstanding, could he now return and be the force he was? Highly unlikely.....great rider though he was, he was no Mike Hailwood.
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Long long ago when I first joined this august body of members I ventured out on my shiny new FZS600 to one of the foc-u meets.
When we had all met up and ritually inspected each others bikes we set off and after about half a mile came to a roundabout.
The lead rider gave it all he had and had his knee down very impressively till he had done about half the roundabout and spotted the police bike sitting on the verge ahead eyeing him beadily.
He quickly reverted to riding a bit more like the novice that I was....................... upright, slowly, good boy stylie. :eek :rolleyes
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A nice piece of film from BBC Steve parish
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/22420790 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/22420790)
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The current generation couldn't even begin to imagine riding a bike that they had to battle with just to keep it upright.
So strip away all the high tech from these guys today and you'll see a different picture.
This is what us ex-racers, including those of the Hailwoos era would call 'Rubbish'.
You have no idea how hard it is to wrestle a bike with massive horsepower on modern slick tyres. I rode a slick shod RC30 endurance racer at a practise day at Brands in the eighties, it's probably 50bhp down on it's modern equivalent and the slicks similarly down on grip, but still an animal. I was auditioning for a place on an endurance team (wasn't chosen tho) and after 10 laps I was exhausted. It was a constant battle to keep it stable on the exit of corners, the grip from the tyres make it very hard work and the braking forces make your arms ache like hell after just half a dozen laps, the concentration required makes you sweat buckets. I've no doubt in my mind that modern GP riders are super-fit beings, possessing of a huge amount of skill. Their bikes are undoubtably extremely hard to ride fast on their own, let alone whilst battling with their fellows. The modern 'aids' are I think required, less highsides can only be good, they cause horrific injuries usually.
Anyways it's barmy to imply that nobody born after the Hailwood era is automatically not as good as him and his fellows.
Si
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I once got my knee down on a foc-u rideout. Then remembered I was in textiles with no armour. We pissed ourselves laughing.
Hanging off was a laugh and the lean angle to get fazer pegs down is nil. Yes Fazey and allistar both wore out there exhausts. :)
Hang off and it saves wear and tear on the bike lol
And I did a Bike safe and the copper gave up. But that was on a racetrack and my thou had a nice hole in the exhaust at the end. Expensive day, not sure if I understood the lesson, he was pissing himself cos he had a hole in his pannier.
Biking is about fun, if it aint fun then its getting cold or battered by flies for nothing
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I once got my knee down on a foc-u rideout. Then remembered I was in textiles with no armour. We pissed ourselves laughing.
Hanging off was a laugh and the lean angle to get fazer pegs down is nil. Yes Fazey and allistar both wore out there exhausts. :)
How much of your arse was on the bike?!? :eek
Also, what tyres were you running?
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Just a bit was still on the saddle, I am not that agile as to hang right off. Found technique works better than brute force.
As for the toe skinners that's cos you got your foot pointing out not in lol. Brand new pair of sidi black rains taught me that lesson
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Caught this on vid at BikeSafe. All were doing it on a 125 then the Police came out to play
Daz
10 This is why Police do not have to hang off their bikes BikeSafe 9 June 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13_KFP0DEKU#)
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Caught this on vid at BikeSafe. All were doing it on a 125 then the Police came out to play
Daz
10 This is why Police do not have to hang off their bikes BikeSafe 9 June 2013 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13_KFP0DEKU#[/url])
Forgive me, but its really not the reason why the Police do not have to hang off their bikes, it's irrelevent and has nothing to do with skill. The reason is simple, they arn't going fast enough!
Hanging off was invented and refined on the racetrack, as bikes got faster and more powerfull you needed to hang off to keep the bike as upright as poss (more rubber on the track) plus keeping your c of g lower gives you leverage over the centrifugal force -a race bike is always trying to stand up when you dial in the power.
People who do it on the road are doing it for two reason, firstly to emulate racers and secondly because it simply feels cool doing it, although the bike is in fact benefiting from being more upright if you do hang off.
It's a bit stupid trying to infer that riding 'properly' like the police means no hanging off is required. If you put a Policeman on a racetrack they would all hang off the bike -as required. The reason is speed and power not skill. Simples.