Fazer Owners Club - Unofficial
General => General => Topic started by: Streetbudgie on 28 March 2013, 12:59:35 pm
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Telephone calls whilst riding - really?
What could possibly be more distracting than having a loud ring then a voice booming into your ear as you negotiate traffice, ride a hairpin bend or simply just ride in a staright line?
I do not understand the obsession that people have these days with constantly being contactable - does no one ever 'get away from it all' for an hour or so anymore?
I have mates who answer their phones in the pub and then spend 30 minutes 'discussing' with little Brittany or Cruise Harper Bastard why they must go to bed and not disturb Mummy - what the fuck?!!! You're in the pub with your mates, your kids should not think it's ok to ring you for anything less that a missing limb or a dead sibling blocking the fridge door.
The last thing I want is some nobber ringing me as I'm filtering my way through London traffic to ask me how to use the video recorder, for fucks sake it can all wait unless it's life or death and even in death the only thing I can do is get there when I can, you're already dead, that ain't gonna change!
What the hell is voice mail or the ridiculous 'text message' for if eveyone insists on being contactable at all times?
I have to question how safe mobile phone headsets are to be used when riding a motorcycle in the same way that I question (by question I mean punish) car drivers who insist on driving with one hand clamped to their ear chatting on the phone and not payng any attention to the road.
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I have my phone on my person while riding but for a totally different reason. I have an Android handset and as such have three relatively important apps running whilst I'm riding.
The first is Maps - the phone is always in my pocket, but its nice to know that I can pull over and figure out where the hell I am if I end up list.
The second is latitude - this reports my GPS location to selected "friends" including my mother so that people know I am ok whilst riding.
The third is the most important - it uses the accelerometer in my phone to detect a crash / fall from my bike. If it does then it will send a text message to a designated contact including my GPS location and a link to Google Maps so that they can get help to me if necessary. My contact knows to check latitude first to see if I am still moving and if it is just a false reading.
In the car, my phone is with me, but I don't answer it. Just my it ringing I know that someone is trying to reach me so I find somewhere to pull over if necessary and call them back if it is important. Whereas on the bike, if someone calls, I'll find out when I stop and contact them back. I agree that the last thing I want when riding is for my sense of hearing to be impaired. I use it to help judge a lot of things including what's going on behind me and how the bike is behaving.
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My TomTom Rider Sat Nav links via bluetooth to my mobile and my headset, but unless I'm riding along eg a motorway or in another situation where I don't have to give 100% concentration to my riding, I wouldn't pick it up (press a button on the sat nav screen) and just let it go to voicemail.
In fact really the only reason I have the phone when I'm riding is in case I have problems since I have no need for anyone to contact me at 30 seconds notice.
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I talk to myself when I'm on the bike, the last thing I want is someone butting into my conversation :D
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I have my phone on my person while riding but for a totally different reason. I have an Android handset and as such have three relatively important apps running whilst I'm riding.
The first is Maps - the phone is always in my pocket, but its nice to know that I can pull over and figure out where the hell I am if I end up list.
The second is latitude - this reports my GPS location to selected "friends" including my mother so that people know I am ok whilst riding.
The third is the most important - it uses the accelerometer in my phone to detect a crash / fall from my bike. If it does then it will send a text message to a designated contact including my GPS location and a link to Google Maps so that they can get help to me if necessary. My contact knows to check latitude first to see if I am still moving and if it is just a false reading.
In the car, my phone is with me, but I don't answer it. Just my it ringing I know that someone is trying to reach me so I find somewhere to pull over if necessary and call them back if it is important. Whereas on the bike, if someone calls, I'll find out when I stop and contact them back. I agree that the last thing I want when riding is for my sense of hearing to be impaired. I use it to help judge a lot of things including what's going on behind me and how the bike is behaving.
Great use of technology and very good ideas especially if you ride rural routes - but no mention of the use of the phone to hold a conversation while riding and why it is so necessary, so it doesn't address my pont really.
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unless I'm riding along eg a motorway or in another situation where I don't have to give 100% concentration to my riding,
When is it suitable to not give 100% concentration whilst operating something that could kill you or others?
I'm speechless really. I did not expect to hear that excuse on a bike site.
This attitude is exactly what cagers come out with shortly after they run over a biker and kill him then rock up in court saying the phone was in my lap on handsfree so it wasn't really distracting me, or I was in traffic so I didn't think I needed to watch the road and the biker just appeared out of nowhere.
I shit you not there is a case all over facebook at the moment about this and I find the attitude of 'driving does not always require 100% concentration' unbelievable - even more so from a biker.
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I have my phone on my person while riding but for a totally different reason. I have an Android handset and as such have three relatively important apps running whilst I'm riding.
The first is Maps - the phone is always in my pocket, but its nice to know that I can pull over and figure out where the hell I am if I end up list.
The second is latitude - this reports my GPS location to selected "friends" including my mother so that people know I am ok whilst riding.
The third is the most important - it uses the accelerometer in my phone to detect a crash / fall from my bike. If it does then it will send a text message to a designated contact including my GPS location and a link to Google Maps so that they can get help to me if necessary. My contact knows to check latitude first to see if I am still moving and if it is just a false reading.
In the car, my phone is with me, but I don't answer it. Just my it ringing I know that someone is trying to reach me so I find somewhere to pull over if necessary and call them back if it is important. Whereas on the bike, if someone calls, I'll find out when I stop and contact them back. I agree that the last thing I want when riding is for my sense of hearing to be impaired. I use it to help judge a lot of things including what's going on behind me and how the bike is behaving.
Great use of technology and very good ideas especially if you ride rural routes - but no mention of the use of the phone to hold a conversation while riding and why it is so necessary, so it doesn't address my pont really.
I mentioned about using my phone for conversation in my last comments? Stating that I don't use it and why and that I agreed with your perspective...
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Yes you did, you clearly think like me and do not understand the need to be glued to a mobile phone at all times.
I want to know why some people think they do.
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I think this tread iszeitw
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sorry i was texting while in a traffic jam! lol
No I agree - I turn off my phone when driving from one place to the next at work and it drive my boss mad because he cant have an bloody meeting with me while I'm driving!
What did we do when we didn't have mobiles? Oh I remeber - we just got on with stuff
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I think this tread iszeitw
Eh? I almost crashed my bike whilst trying to read this on my iPad..
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... it does seem odd promoting 'Luddite' virtues on an internet forum - I am a man of contradictions!
( Yes that is a posh way of saying I am bored and an idiot! Lol)
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I caught a young guy riding his ped along our road whilst texting. I was absolutely gobsmacked!
Personally my phone is in my pocket when riding. If it rings, then it records who rang me. If they don't leave a message or their number then it can't have been important (or it might be work calling me. Ho-hum). When I'm in my car I plug it into the car stereo, as it has all my music/satnav details, and ofcourse my phone.
My family know if they call me and I don't answer, then I probably CAN'T answer it. If its important/urgent, then they keep ringing over and over, then I know it has to be answered.
How did we ever cope without mobiles???::)
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I use my phone in the bike as I find it quite easy to control the bike with my feet propped against the bar ends, engaging in a bit of counter steering to go my merry way.
Out of interest, when having passengers in the car, do we sit there in silence? Are they banned from uttering a word, lest they remove you from the zone? What about Radio 2? Jeremy Vine talks some pish of a day and I wonder if he goes off in case he enrages us with his mince.
Do autocoms and the likes also put you in congress with the beast?
I have sharp knives, quite capable of wounding and killing. Should I ban the bird I'm trying to impress from the kitchen and tell its cos I need to concentrate so that I don't cut myself, or worse, her?
Holy shit I am a total fuckin troll right enough
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that last post shouild have ended 'so that i dont cut her, or worse, myself'
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Out of interest, when having passengers in the car, do we sit there in silence? Are they banned from uttering a word, lest they remove you from the zone?
I knew this one would come up - other car occupants are aware of what's happening at the same time as you are so if you were driving in a snowstorm then yes, they would be quiet and allow you to concentrate on the job in hand
However this is about why the hell are telephone conversations necessary whilst riding a motorcycle - not driving a car, so the point is moot.
What radio station and what kitchen utensils you listen to and play with are entirely up to you, neither requires a licence to do so and anyone entering your kitchen does so at their own risk, other road users do not have any choice and are entitled to the same standard of concentration and driving from everyone.
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I think this tread iszeitw
Eh? I almost crashed my bike whilst trying to read this on my iPad..
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Cracking response. Love it.
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I'm glad I live in a democracy where the opinion of the one is not judged as law.
I recently bought a bluetooth head set for many reasons, not least of which are the following:
1.) Listening to music. Yup, I said the swearword. I have no intention of doing it, but I like to have the option. If I'm going to do 100 miles up a motorway I want the option of listening to music if I want. I wear 39SNR ear plugs, I can't hear the engine, but I can hear music and a car horn if I need to.
2.) Listening to Satnav. Self explainatory
3.) Talking to a Pillion Passenger or someone I'm on a ride out with.
4.) If my missus calls I'd rather answer the phone and have a 2 minute conversation than have her thinking I'm dead in a ditch somewhere.
I think each reason is valid, but that's just my opinion and thankfully not dependant on you or anyone else :-)
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Holy shit I am a total fuckin troll right enough
I already told you that ;)
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Out of interest, when having passengers in the car, do we sit there in silence? Are they banned from uttering a word, lest they remove you from the zone?
I knew this one would come up - other car occupants are aware of what's happening at the same time as you are so if you were driving in a snowstorm then yes, they would be quiet and allow you to concentrate on the job in hand
However this is about why the hell are telephone conversations necessary whilst riding a motorcycle - not driving a car, so the point is moot.
What radio station and what kitchen utensils you listen to and play with are entirely up to you, neither requires a licence to do so and anyone entering your kitchen does so at their own risk, other road users do not have any choice and are entitled to the same standard of concentration and driving from everyone.
So by your definition you never look at the scenery either as it's not "the job in hand"? What a boring life. Riding is about being confident enough in your ability and the bike and your experience to actively enjoy the ride. If that is looking at scenery, humming whilst listening to music or talking to a pillion, fellow rider or your mum in law. I have bluetooth hands free in my car and since I've been driving for 15 years feel that I am capable of talking meaningless dross with my mum or wife whilst still being able to look at hazards, drive confidently and enjoy myself (apart from having to listen to the mum or wife)
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The third is the most important - it uses the accelerometer in my phone to detect a crash / fall from my bike. If it does then it will send a text message to a designated contact including my GPS location and a link to Google Maps so that they can get help to me if necessary. My contact knows to check latitude first to see if I am still moving and if it is just a false reading.
Please can you tell me what app you use for this bit ?
Cheers
Simon
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I'm glad I live in a democracy where the opinion of the one is not judged as law.
I recently bought a bluetooth head set for many reasons, not least of which are the following:
1.) Listening to music. Yup, I said the swearword. I have no intention of doing it, but I like to have the option. If I'm going to do 100 miles up a motorway I want the option of listening to music if I want. I wear 39SNR ear plugs, I can't hear the engine, but I can hear music and a car horn if I need to.
2.) Listening to Satnav. Self explainatory
3.) Talking to a Pillion Passenger or someone I'm on a ride out with.
4.) If my missus calls I'd rather answer the phone and have a 2 minute conversation than have her thinking I'm dead in a ditch somewhere.
I think each reason is valid, but that's just my opinion and thankfully not dependant on you or anyone else :-)
Why would someone voluntarily remove one of their senses when riding a motorcycle?
Utter madness and displays a lack of care for any other person who might be on the road in the same vicinity.
There are many reasons why we have laws which are set by your democratically elected peers, one reason is because no matter how stupid something may be, somewhere there's an idiot who will try it and kill not only themselves, but other innocent people.
I'm pretty sure your missus would rather wait 10 minutes for you to pull over and answer a missed call than be responsible for you wiping out a family of 4 on their way to the seaside for a day because you weren't concentrating fully.
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Out of interest, when having passengers in the car, do we sit there in silence? Are they banned from uttering a word, lest they remove you from the zone?
I knew this one would come up - other car occupants are aware of what's happening at the same time as you are so if you were driving in a snowstorm then yes, they would be quiet and allow you to concentrate on the job in hand
However this is about why the hell are telephone conversations necessary whilst riding a motorcycle - not driving a car, so the point is moot.
What radio station and what kitchen utensils you listen to and play with are entirely up to you, neither requires a licence to do so and anyone entering your kitchen does so at their own risk, other road users do not have any choice and are entitled to the same standard of concentration and driving from everyone.
So by your definition you never look at the scenery either as it's not "the job in hand"? What a boring life. Riding is about being confident enough in your ability and the bike and your experience to actively enjoy the ride. If that is looking at scenery, humming whilst listening to music or talking to a pillion, fellow rider or your mum in law. I have bluetooth hands free in my car and since I've been driving for 15 years feel that I am capable of talking meaningless dross with my mum or wife whilst still being able to look at hazards, drive confidently and enjoy myself (apart from having to listen to the mum or wife)
And you will carry on believing that you do not need 100% concentration until you have an accident, ever heard the saying pride goes before a fall?
Your ability is only part of what is required to keep you alive on the road, what if you meet someone just like you on the road one day who isn't fully concentrating?
With your attitude you may well end up one of those people that claims never to have had an accident in a hundred years of motoring but has never looked behind them to see what they caused either.
Take an advanced riding course and see what they have to say about it - and don't quote that they use intercoms to teach you, that's a learning tool and not over used during the lessons or used for idle chatter which takes your mind off riding.
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Gotta admit, I do have music playing through my headset when I'm riding, its on low, but it kills the motorway section of my commute when I'm sat there at 70. Each to their own for music, it doesn't effect my riding, but then I don't have it on when I'm 'enjoying' a ride. Gotta concentrate then!
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The third is the most important - it uses the accelerometer in my phone to detect a crash / fall from my bike. If it does then it will send a text message to a designated contact including my GPS location and a link to Google Maps so that they can get help to me if necessary. My contact knows to check latitude first to see if I am still moving and if it is just a false reading.
Please can you tell me what app you use for this bit ?
Cheers
Simon
This appears to have brought up several requests in my inbox haha, should have mentioned it :P
The app is called CRADAR and is by ActionXL
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My helmet restricts my head movements therefore observations, should I get rid of it?
What about wind noise damaging your hearing?
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Out of interest, when having passengers in the car, do we sit there in silence? Are they banned from uttering a word, lest they remove you from the zone?
I knew this one would come up - other car occupants are aware of what's happening at the same time as you are so if you were driving in a snowstorm then yes, they would be quiet and allow you to concentrate on the job in hand
However this is about why the hell are telephone conversations necessary whilst riding a motorcycle - not driving a car, so the point is moot.
What radio station and what kitchen utensils you listen to and play with are entirely up to you, neither requires a licence to do so and anyone entering your kitchen does so at their own risk, other road users do not have any choice and are entitled to the same standard of concentration and driving from everyone.
So by your definition you never look at the scenery either as it's not "the job in hand"? What a boring life. Riding is about being confident enough in your ability and the bike and your experience to actively enjoy the ride. If that is looking at scenery, humming whilst listening to music or talking to a pillion, fellow rider or your mum in law. I have bluetooth hands free in my car and since I've been driving for 15 years feel that I am capable of talking meaningless dross with my mum or wife whilst still being able to look at hazards, drive confidently and enjoy myself (apart from having to listen to the mum or wife)
And you will carry on believing that you do not need 100% concentration until you have an accident, ever heard the saying pride goes before a fall?
Your ability is only part of what is required to keep you alive on the road, what if you meet someone just like you on the road one day who isn't fully concentrating?
With your attitude you may well end up one of those people that claims never to have had an accident in a hundred years of motoring but has never looked behind them to see what they caused either.
Take an advanced riding course and see what they have to say about it - and don't quote that they use intercoms to teach you, that's a learning tool and not over used during the lessons or used for idle chatter which takes your mind off riding.
I'm glad I've got you here to tell me how to live my life. ;) There is nothing wrong with having an opinion until you believe that yours is right to the detriment of other peoples. I don't profess to know everything but it would be nice to see understanding and humility of differing perspectives without telling people that they're wrong.
Even if I didn't listen to music my driving wouldn't be perfect. C'est la vie. I suppose you'll be at the front of the queue telling the police officers that they have to stop every time they want to talk to dispatch. I'm sure you'll find some justification to excuse them whilst stringing up the rest of us.
You talk as if you're perfect, sometime you'll fall from the pedestal and realise that everyone, you included, is fallible and human and we make mistakes regardless of the extent of our training.
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The third is the most important - it uses the accelerometer in my phone to detect a crash / fall from my bike. If it does then it will send a text message to a designated contact including my GPS location and a link to Google Maps so that they can get help to me if necessary. My contact knows to check latitude first to see if I am still moving and if it is just a false reading.
Please can you tell me what app you use for this bit ?
Cheers
Simon
This appears to have brought up several requests in my inbox haha, should have mentioned it :P
The app is called CRADAR and is by ActionXL
Thank you muchly.
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The third is the most important - it uses the accelerometer in my phone to detect a crash / fall from my bike. If it does then it will send a text message to a designated contact including my GPS location and a link to Google Maps so that they can get help to me if necessary. My contact knows to check latitude first to see if I am still moving and if it is just a false reading.
Please can you tell me what app you use for this bit ?
Cheers
Simon
There are a few - I've used this one and it has only ever sent out a false alarm once (and luckily has never had to send out a real alarm).
http://www.appbrain.com/app/cradar/actionxl.mandown (http://www.appbrain.com/app/cradar/actionxl.mandown).
Oh and I listen to music on my bike using some noise cancelling phones most rides. I do this because I love bikes, and I love music - but most of all I loves bikes-and-music! Ain't no big ting - as long as you can hear the traffic and your revs... you don't have to have it jacked way up. Coz I listen to the music from my phone - sometimes people call and it inturupts my music, but becuasae my ringtone is one of my favourite songs, it's all love! I never answer it though. I go riding mainly so that I can be alone, so that I can think - giving 100% concentration to the road clears all unnecessary thoughts and worries from my head and allow me to digest problems. The music is just a backing track - I only remember it when i look back after the ride.
Each to their own - I wouldn't want to talk on the phone - but I don't necessarily think it's uber dangerous. I quite like the idea of closing a mega deal while bombing down a [private, of course] road at 100.......
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That appears to be exactly the same app as me haha :P
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i've got a starcom which has an ipod and swmbo connected to it. it can have a bluetooth connection but when i'm on the bike, it's me time. if i were a courier or a top surgeon then possibly i'd be contactable, but i'm not so the world can wait.
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That appears to be exactly the same app as me haha :P
Yer posted without realising there was a page two..... 8)
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Ok budgie, yer sure makin yerself out to be awfy holy and an that so here we go
On the moot point issue. You mention busting drivers for having a hand at their ear and rightly so you bring em up it makes it valid. However you seem to forget that you should be in control so what difference is it to tell someone on the phone to shut up a minute while you hare it round the local version of copse to telling the wife to shut her face cos theres a yeti attacking the motor and you need to concemtrate. The sheer mention of having to tell her to shoosh might suggest you arent giving it 100% in the first. My my, how dare thee. You need a licence to do that dontcha know and your better half is potentially killing innocents by proxy all because she cannae handle some flakes without giving you the 3rd degree. Tsk tsk. The post is about concentration from what I can see, point stands.
Now, not am I for a second suggesting that you should feel the need to use a phone on a bike, however if you feel you need it then surely they should be aware enough to adjust their riding and not hare it round copse?
No?
I have used a phone on the bike as many others have, I also use it driving as well because my job needs me to be reachable. Funnily enough, I adjust to suit or stop no matter what vehicular media I'm using. I also listen to music and in fact actively encourage it. Theres plenty of studies done over the years that support the claims that music assists in FOCUSSING BETTER on a task.
Whodathunkit?
So to help ease your mind and set you onto a path of acceptance, love and tolerance I should just like to say that it can be done, people dodo it and it can be done with no ill effects on the majority of occasions. You should calm your mind with the knowledge that tthat's just the way and maybe even smoke a doobie or two. You'll thank me later
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When is it suitable to not give 100% concentration whilst operating something that could kill you or others?
When I'm in a situation where it's extremely unlikely that anything that could happen which could "kill me or others".
If I'm riding down a motorway which has light traffic on, there's nothing within 100 metres ahead of me, nowhere someone could pull out from, nobody in my blind spot and plenty of time to see anything that could be a hazard to me, then I don't see a need to give absolutely 100% concentration to my riding and would not feel worried about taking a phone call on my hands-free headset.
However if the situation changed to one where I *do* need to put my concentration into my riding, it would be "got to go, talk later, bye".
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I knew this one would come up - other car occupants are aware of what's happening at the same time as you are so if you were driving in a snowstorm then yes, they would be quiet and allow you to concentrate on the job in hand
Lol! You're expecting them (and the driver!) to exercise some common sense?!
I was in a car where the guy in the passenger seat was rabbiting on about something completely insignificant that nobody else was interested in, even though we were in heavy traffic. Finally the driver told him to shut up so he could concentrate and the passenger spent the rest of the journey sulking!
(Oh, and the passenger was not a stroppy teenager, he's about 50!)
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So by your definition you never look at the scenery either as it's not "the job in hand"? What a boring life. Riding is about being confident enough in your ability and the bike and your experience to actively enjoy the ride. If that is looking at scenery, humming whilst listening to music or talking to a pillion, fellow rider or your mum in law.
Ah, so you *don't* always have to give 100% concentration to your riding.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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if you want to answer your phone when riding then do so, if you dont well dont, simples :D PERSONAL CHOICE.
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if you want to answer your phone when riding then do so, if you dont well dont, simples :D PERSONAL CHOICE.
Well said. As long as it's hands free it's all good.
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By the way, what is the view of autocom and the likes?
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that,s right your not wrong.
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I don't believe it's even possible to give 100% concentration to anything for long.
I don't use a phone or have tunes on the bike as I can't be arsed. I do however sing,
loudly and badly, I also solve many work issues while tootling along and mail them when I get home.
I look at the scenery, sky, weather, nice cars, price of petrol and countless other shite.
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Im with you on your original point streetbudgie,i got fed up halfway through the replies & no doubt theres some good arguments but they do say trust your first thought & im with you all the way.theres no need for it.folk that do it are great crested blue TITS!!!! :pokefun
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At least you made a worthwhile contribution yourself there with the inclusion of tits
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At least you made a worthwhile contribution yourself there with the inclusion of tits
Sorry bout that
I was havin a bill oddy moment
It's gotta be better than bein a seagull!!!!!.....a seagull talkin on its tiny wee phone whilst eatin chips...all whilst flying :eek
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At least you made a worthwhile contribution yourself there with the inclusion of tits
I agree. As reddit once said (it didn't really, but it should have) a post is definitely improved by the inclusion of tits. More mammaries than the bird or person variety though.
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Just a thought, but maybe if you could talk on your phone whilst riding there might be a few more luverly laydie bikers
I'll get me jacket........................ :rolleyes
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Its ok we have it here for you already. Taxi on the way as well
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Just a thought, but maybe if you could talk on your phone whilst riding there might be a few more luverly laydie bikers
I'll get me jacket........................ :rolleyes
Hey ash,any chance o goin halfs on the taxi home,i'd phone my missus for a lift but...........i didnt bring my phone!!! :\ :\ :\
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Even if you did have your phone - she wouldn't pick up, even though it's probably glued to her ear 24/7 .................
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Even if you did have your phone - she wouldn't pick up, even though it's probably glued to her ear 24/7 .................
I cant believe you know my missus :D .....so true.
She waits til im driving before phoning me then moans at me for not answering it incase i was 'in a ditch' even though that very call could be what puts me in the ditch....sorry love my safety's more important than your peace of mind dare i say it :eek , shame on me :o
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if you want to answer your phone when riding then do so, if you dont well dont, simples :D PERSONAL CHOICE.
Well said. As long as it's hands free it's all good.
No it's not!
There is plenty of research proving that the use of a hands free phone has a significant detrimental effect on driving standards, eg. this one by the American Psychological Association concludes that holding a conversation using a hands free mobile phone increases the chances of having an accident fourfold:
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if i wanna answer my phone pat i answer it, end of, dont give a monkeys what john wayne and his cronies say over the water, i do what i want to do,. :)
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if i wanna answer my phone pat i answer it, end of, dont give a monkeys what john wayne and his cronies say over the water, i do what i want to do,. :)
I'm old enough to recall the dyed in the wool drink-drivers saying exactly the same sort of thing when they brought in the drink drive limit....
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you should also be old enough to recall the miners strike, which they told them to call off, they didnt because it was there own personal choice to stand up for what they belived in. also the poll tax riots they stood up for what THEY wanted, imagine where we would be if admiral nelsons wife had told him to stay in bed and he did. :D
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if i wanna answer my phone pat i answer it, end of, dont give a monkeys what john wayne and his cronies say over the water, i do what i want to do,. :)
I'm old enough to recall the dyed in the wool drink-drivers saying exactly the same sort of thing when they brought in the drink drive limit....
When they make it against the law I'll stop. Until then your opinion is just that, not law. Telling people they're wrong is putting your little Hitler hat on.
You'll also just get people's backs up if you tell them what to do.
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This topic has run its course.
The final sentence for every good argument should be "let's agree to disagree and drop it"
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Yep were all big boys, you do what you want to do (as long as its legal ofcourse ;) .
So each to their own!
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pat you do realize i have bluetooth and its all done by voice command. take care m8t,
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Thats outrageous!!!!!theres no need for it!!!............
You need to think long & hard about bluetooth............
Its not acceptable in modern society..........
It could kill you!!!!!!.......
Think before you ride!!!!