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General => General => Topic started by: taylor on 27 March 2013, 08:42:46 pm
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i work on building sites and are told about vibration white finger all the time, i have prob got it from the use of sthill saws wacker plates etc etc, do we get it from our bikes? and if so is there a chart saying which ones have the less vibration , etc etc.
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had a girlfriend who said she had "vibration white cl*****s" from using a vibrator when her partner was "away" for four years, lol.
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yes very serious, the ends of all my fingers are going white and bloody serious pain in them whilst out today, :(
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might be more because of the cold
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Yes bikes have vibration and its minimal bar weights and rubber pegs etc are designed to reduce it, but there won't be a list as such, a vibey 125 will be high and a smooth 4 cylinder like your bike will be low.
I suggest your got this from your job and not the bike at all, maybe time to change jobs or get the appropriate ppe.
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The noise level on a motorbike is much worse than the vibration, but most of that vibration will depend on the quality of the shock absorbers and the quality of the road.
If you want less shock I'd recommend you buy something designed to absorb shock a lot. I.E. a tourer or adventure bike rather than a sports bike or superbike.
Just my 2p.
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Two things to consider:
1) How tightly are you gripping the bars? You shouldn't need to put any pressure on them, I was always told you should hold them like you had an egg in your hand.
2) If you're wearing multiple layers under your jacket because of the cold, check that nothing's digging in under your armpit or nearby, this can actually reduce the blood supply to your hands causing the effect you mention.
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You work on a building site, I suggest you drink a cup of concrete and harden the fuck up! :rollin
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I changed from a V twin to a CBF 600 because of White Finger. Still There. They now believe I have Reynards Disease, circulation problem.
I am 63,so I guess age had a bearing on that. Good luck.
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:) Have you guys seen the 'anti cramp' gizmo thing that Scottoiler do .. a small black plastic 'paddle' that slides over the throttle grip.
You can then rotate it and adjust it so that your wrist is resting on it (when cruising) to hold a constant speed. Saves the need to grip anything and that gives your hand(s) a rest , without the vibes. Bit like Cruise Control Systems .. but much simpler.
They come in two 'widths' wide and narrow .. and two Grip Sizes .. Fat for Heated Grips or Thin for standard grips.
8) The wide one is (IMO) too big .. it gets in the way of your thumb when you do need to grip the bars. They 'rotate' on (and off) in two seconds .. no tools required .. so no risk of having them go 'walkabout' when you are parked up.
I have recently been trying the narrow one over heated grips .. this size seems to work OK .. once you get used to them. Like most things new .. they look a little bit strange at first .. but of course it's all out of sight under your hand when in use.
Ideal for the motorway commute cruisers and long haul touring enthusiasts .. a very simple idea that helps stop cramp and vibes, etc. Worth a go for about £5.00 .. I recon.
Stay Safe ;) Trev (I'd guess Scottoiler might show these on their web-site ?)
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:) Have you guys seen the 'anti cramp' gizmo thing that Scottoiler do .. a small black plastic 'paddle' that slides over the throttle grip.
You can then rotate it and adjust it so that your wrist is resting on it (when cruising) to hold a constant speed. Saves the need to grip anything and that gives your hand(s) a rest , without the vibes. Bit like Cruise Control Systems .. but much simpler.
They come in two 'widths' wide and narrow .. and two Grip Sizes .. Fat for Heated Grips or Thin for standard grips.
8) The wide one is (IMO) too big .. it gets in the way of your thumb when you do need to grip the bars. They 'rotate' on (and off) in two seconds .. no tools required .. so no risk of having them go 'walkabout' when you are parked up.
I have recently been trying the narrow one over heated grips .. this size seems to work OK .. once you get used to them. Like most things new .. they look a little bit strange at first .. but of course it's all out of sight under your hand when in use.
Ideal for the motorway commute cruisers and long haul touring enthusiasts .. a very simple idea that helps stop cramp and vibes, etc. Worth a go for about £5.00 .. I recon.
Stay Safe ;) Trev (I'd guess Scottoiler might show these on their web-site ?)
Took me ages to figure out what that did a few months ago but it's only worth it if you do a lot of motorway miles I reckon. I think this is more of a wrist/finger cramp released and I am 99% sure it'll do nothing for vibrations.
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Oxford and scottoiler do them:
Item: Oxford Motorcycle Bike Cruise Aid Suitable for most Bikes and Scooters OF378
URL: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271146226534 (http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271146226534)
Alt URL: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oxford-Motorcycle-Bike-Cruise-Aid-Suitable-most-Bikes-and-Scooters-OF378-/271146226534 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oxford-Motorcycle-Bike-Cruise-Aid-Suitable-most-Bikes-and-Scooters-OF378-/271146226534)
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As little as £4
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-motorcycle-cruise-control-motorbike-throttle-assistance-UK-SELLER-/140938809377 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-motorcycle-cruise-control-motorbike-throttle-assistance-UK-SELLER-/140938809377)
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In Scotland we have a clever invention which cures the cold / sore hands associated with riding in the dead of winter - its called ....... the car! lol
Seriously if you think the vibes from a jap inline 4 are bad you have problems - take a go on an old British single and you will suddenly feel great about your Fazer - I did a 150mile ride on my BSA last year and lost two fillings.
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In Scotland we have a clever invention which cures the cold / sore hands associated with riding in the dead of winter - its called ....... the car! lol
:rollin
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I used to get this sometimes when I had my Fazer 1000. Not often though, so it may be a bit of Reynauds. especially as I don't seem to get it on my F800R, which is a twin. I haven't had the new bike long, though, so it is too soon to judge really.
Might be worth getting checked out by your GP, Taylor.
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As far as I can see here .. all these on eBay are the Wide type ... the narrow jobby that I have is only about 1" (old money) wide for the full length. Just info :) Trev
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Why was this topic called vibrators rather than vibrations ?
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Why was this topic called vibrators rather than vibrations ?
It's funnier...
Anyway, souds like your work that's causing the issue. I'd look into some better PPE, max working times on certain machines etc to stop/slow the damage the machines are causing to your hands.
The vibrations on the bike, unless yours is knackered or you ride on dirt tracks all the time, is so little that it wouldn't cause your condition to get worse. However getting cold hands while riding will make the symptoms of white knuckle worse for a while and your hands will take a while to recover because of the condition so get yourself some decent gloves and/or heated grips, this will help the circulation in your hands and therefore help them feel better.
Chris
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There a limitations on the use of all vibratory equipment.Where I work,which is heavy engineering, there are limits shown on posters and on the company intranet that show the amount of time you can use each different piece of equipment in a 24hr period.
If you are in a union you can get advice off them, or the company you work for should have the information.
White finger is taken very seriously by a lot of companies as you can take legal action against them if they have not taken appropriate precautions to prevent it.
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cheers everyone, got a lot of info to try out there, graham said about the tight clothes underneath the jacket, there was a big jumper which was tight. i have a pair of heated gloves so will give them a try, vib white finger was probabilly a ann summer gadget when i started in construction. as for eating concrete jon rather a cooked breky these days. :lol
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good good good vibrations :pc
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I've always suffered with it.....but the odd thing is that I get it less with big trailies than with standard bikes.
Maybe cos they've usually got higher, wider bars?
I find that when it happens wait till you're going down an incline so you don't need to use the throttle.
Then just let your right arm hang loosely downwards to your side for as long as you can.
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Reminds me of my old GS500E and trying to get from Ayrshire down to Hastings. Stopping for petrol and struggling to turn the ignition back on as I could not feel my fingers at all. As well as riding standing on the pegs cos the hideous seat was killing my arse. I was a total wreck by the time I got to Hastings. I was just about in tears with the pain.
Check your carb balance. Out of balance carbs will generate loads of low level secondary vibs might could maybe be upsetting yer fingers.
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cheer,s vna. funny enough my mechanic neighbour said they seemed out of balance, will get him to sort that out. ;)
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Motorcycling is not likely caused or make is worse by the frequency and strength that causes are not found on motorcycles (in general), however there are a few that are more agricultural than others. I don't want to cause an offence so I won't mention them.
The throttle rest works well to prevent over gripping and causing pain in hand, this is often referred to as 'white knuckle riding'. Softening your grip when riding or good maintenance of the cables can help the symptoms, I got my rest at Buster's did one that was much better quality and ergonomic.
White finger is nerve damage and is most likely to be from kango's, thumpers and such like and not skill saws, mind you it depends what you use as a blade and how you use it?