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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: xlewisbdx on 18 March 2013, 10:25:30 pm
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So I come to the bike in the morning stick the key in the ignition and turn it to the on position. Before I press the start buttton it makes a ticking noise and gets faster and faster then stops. It lasts about 1-2 seconds.
Is it normal?
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fuel pump I imagine. Most cars and bikes do it. Nothing to worry about.
Chris
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Fuel pump.
Amazed you haven't heard it before.
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Like the lads already said its the fuel pump, if u leave the bike for a long time it gets worse, just the evaporated fuel is all, nothing to stress over
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http://foc-u.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=What%E2%80%99s_that_ticking_noise_from_under_the_tank_when_I_turn_my_ignition_on%3F (http://foc-u.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=What%E2%80%99s_that_ticking_noise_from_under_the_tank_when_I_turn_my_ignition_on%3F)
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Dude. Your youtube videos scare the bejesus outta me. :eek :\
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"RUN AWAY", you just don't know what it's gonna do........ :eek
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Cheers for the help :)
Dude. Your youtube videos scare the bejesus outta me. :eek :\
Which ones ;)
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yeh thats the fuel pump.......if it keeps ticking,your out of fuel :\
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Cheers for the help :)
Dude. Your youtube videos scare the bejesus outta me. :eek :\
Which ones ;)
I'm a newb, only got my license in Jan and am a little over the hill to start riding a bike at 36 but pretty much all of your youtube bids had me cacking myself.
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I'm a newb, only got my license in Jan and am a little over the hill to start riding a bike at 36 but pretty much all of your youtube bids had me cacking myself.
I didn't start until late myself at 31 years old. But I wouldn't say I was over the hill getting into it, in hindsight. I have racked up 20 years experience now at 51 years old and I feel that there is still a lot biking left in me!!
As for Alex's videos....well, they act as good tutorials. It's no harm that they have got you cacking....that's going to be kinda healthy to your survival. If you came away after watching his videos with the mentality that "Wow...that looks like fun and I must bomb around like that dude doing about 60mph in a 30mph built up area in the wet with dodgy tyres".... then I'd be more worried about you. I wonder how I would feel today if I did that and my bike spun off onto the opposite pavement, killing a child in a buggy or something like ???
His video riding in the ice and nearly coming a cropper (again!) shows me when to use a bit of common sense and when to park up and take a bus or a car instead. A simple spill can cost you a few hundred quid outside of injuries.
I think (but I could be wrong) that I seen a video of him in town late at night talking and watching a load of drunks. That video (and from my own experiences) have thought me to stay well away from town late at night if possible, especially on weekends. Town late on weekend nights is a breeding ground for a lot of drunkeness and fool acting and you could be the victim. I have had drunken people (both male and female) in messy humour trying to jump on the back of my bike for the crack while I was sitting in traffic lights. They don't realize that they can knock you off balance in two seconds and bring you down. And while riding along, some messers can even jump out in front of you shouting and roaring just for the crack, forcing you to take emergency evasive action. And that "friendly" drunk that was talking to him??? .... a wrong word or a dodgy look and he could easily turn nasty in a jiff before you could make your escape.
So most of Alex's video are very tutorial, even though that probably wasn't his intention. Call me Negativity Central if you want....I call it experience gained form 20 years of biking which has thought me a lot of respect and caution that will help me to survive just a bit longer out there.
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Cheers for the help :)
Dude. Your youtube videos scare the bejesus outta me. :eek :\
Which ones ;)
I'm a newb, only got my license in Jan and am a little over the hill to start riding a bike at 36 but pretty much all of your youtube bids had me cacking myself.
I only really upload random clips every now and then. I tend to lose my patience with car drivers and that's what makes people laugh.
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I used to worry if the old girl didnt do it .... it just let me know there was life there ... 8)
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btw Alex...as you can gather, the noise is normal. Even leaving it sit overnight or for a few hours, the fuel pump "tops" up the carbs. That's the sound of the fuel pump in action. How long the noise lasts is dependant on how much the carbs need to be topped out. When I switch on the ignition, I wait a sec until its done its thing. Then I proceed to start. Sometimes you can get a slight hesitation in starting until its done its thing.
Cheers.........
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I would double check its the fuel pump - it could be the paramilitary wing of the taxi drivers union finally catching up with you - BOOM! lol
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Or the fandangle grime pump/goose necked pipe shifter which could explode at any second...
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I would double check its the fuel pump - it could be the paramilitary wing of the taxi drivers union finally catching up with you - BOOM! lol
I second that, I've never believed in the fuel pump 'theory'.
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btw Alex...as you can gather, the noise is normal. Even leaving it sit overnight or for a few hours, the fuel pump "tops" up the carbs. That's the sound of the fuel pump in action. How long the noise lasts is dependant on how much the carbs need to be topped out. When I switch on the ignition, I wait a sec until its done its thing. Then I proceed to start. Sometimes you can get a slight hesitation in starting until its done its thing.
Cheers.........
Who's Alex? :lol
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is it tickin ?...or is it ...turkey :rolleyes ...defo fuel pump!!
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Yea it is normal for it to tick. Just ride it... if it hasn't exploded.
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btw Alex...as you can gather, the noise is normal. Even leaving it sit overnight or for a few hours, the fuel pump "tops" up the carbs. That's the sound of the fuel pump in action. How long the noise lasts is dependant on how much the carbs need to be topped out. When I switch on the ignition, I wait a sec until its done its thing. Then I proceed to start. Sometimes you can get a slight hesitation in starting until its done its thing.
Cheers.........
Who's Alex? :lol
LOL....no wonder he ignorned me!!
Thanks for pointing my mistake out, John.
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btw Alex...as you can gather, the noise is normal. Even leaving it sit overnight or for a few hours, the fuel pump "tops" up the carbs. That's the sound of the fuel pump in action. How long the noise lasts is dependant on how much the carbs need to be topped out. When I switch on the ignition, I wait a sec until its done its thing. Then I proceed to start. Sometimes you can get a slight hesitation in starting until its done its thing.
Cheers.........
Who's Alex? :lol
LOL....no wonder he ignorned me!!
Thanks for pointing my mistake out, John.
Are you calling me John now, or is that you? :rollin
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Reminds me of Will Smith...... Tick, tick BOOM.
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btw Alex...as you can gather, the noise is normal. Even leaving it sit overnight or for a few hours, the fuel pump "tops" up the carbs. That's the sound of the fuel pump in action. How long the noise lasts is dependant on how much the carbs need to be topped out. When I switch on the ignition, I wait a sec until its done its thing. Then I proceed to start. Sometimes you can get a slight hesitation in starting until its done its thing.
Cheers.........
The names Lewis but thanks for the help ;)
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I'm a newb, only got my license in Jan and am a little over the hill to start riding a bike at 36 but pretty much all of your youtube bids had me cacking myself.
I passed my test last year - after my 40th...I'm too old to slow down now ;)
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You said it speeds up? Oh dear. That's not the fuel pump.
A friend of mine had that on his bike, ignored. Next thing he knew, the bike blew up. The ignition sends a high current pulse of voltage through the full system as a self diagnostic. The ticking you heard is a danger sign.
What isn't publicised (it's pretty rare) is that all fuel sensors have a nasty fault which means they can fail castastrophically. The ticking is the first symptom is the ticking. The fuel pump and fuel sensor are on similar circuits, and the pump runs BACKWARDS for a tad. This can mess up the fuel sensor. If you're riding, and it seems like the fuel indicator is jumping around abnormally, bail out! It means the sensor is about to fail completely, and fall out of the tank, dumping petrol onto the cylinder block, and the airbox. And if the adiabatic atmospheric sensor is faulty - boom.
You have been warned.
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... adiabatic...
Ooooh! Good word! :rollin
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You said it speeds up? Oh dear. That's not the fuel pump.
A friend of mine had that on his bike, ignored. Next thing he knew, the bike blew up. The ignition sends a high current pulse of voltage through the full system as a self diagnostic. The ticking you heard is a danger sign.
What isn't publicised (it's pretty rare) is that all fuel sensors have a nasty fault which means they can fail castastrophically. The ticking is the first symptom is the ticking. The fuel pump and fuel sensor are on similar circuits, and the pump runs BACKWARDS for a tad. This can mess up the fuel sensor. If you're riding, and it seems like the fuel indicator is jumping around abnormally, bail out! It means the sensor is about to fail completely, and fall out of the tank, dumping petrol onto the cylinder block, and the airbox. And if the adiabatic atmospheric sensor is faulty - boom.
You have been warned.
Are pulling our legs? This seems incredibly unlikely. Can you provide some evidence to back up your statement?
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This link explains it a lot better than I ever could. :lol :lol :lol
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/adiab.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/adiab.html)
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This link explains it a lot better than I ever could. :lol :lol :lol
[url]http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/adiab.html[/url] ([url]http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/adiab.html[/url])
Maybe it's just me but a formula explaining no heat is gained or lost in a system doesn't explain why a fuel sender would be an explosion risk, or why this wouldn't have been figured in the design of the system, why google shows nothing I can find on fuel sender explosions.
Like I say, must just be me. I did find this interesting link though http://forums.iboats.com/non-repair-outboard-discussions/why-doesnt-fuel-tank-sender-cause-explosion-410584.html (http://forums.iboats.com/non-repair-outboard-discussions/why-doesnt-fuel-tank-sender-cause-explosion-410584.html). I see no reason why a fuel sender in a car would be any different to a fuel sender in a Bike from a danger perspective (they perform the same function in the same way).
This is a good one too:
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/topic/225477-fuel-sender-safety-question/ (http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/topic/225477-fuel-sender-safety-question/)
I also don't understand why a sensor failing would result in it falling out of the fuel tank.
Please forgive me, I'm a critic.
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I think it might be a wind up ;)
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You said it speeds up? Oh dear. That's not the fuel pump.
A friend of mine had that on his bike, ignored. Next thing he knew, the bike blew up. The ignition sends a high current pulse of voltage through the full system as a self diagnostic. The ticking you heard is a danger sign.
What isn't publicised (it's pretty rare) is that all fuel sensors have a nasty fault which means they can fail castastrophically. The ticking is the first symptom is the ticking. The fuel pump and fuel sensor are on similar circuits, and the pump runs BACKWARDS for a tad. This can mess up the fuel sensor. If you're riding, and it seems like the fuel indicator is jumping around abnormally, bail out! It means the sensor is about to fail completely, and fall out of the tank, dumping petrol onto the cylinder block, and the airbox. And if the adiabatic atmospheric sensor is faulty - boom.
You have been warned.
My fuel indicator does go abnormally sensitive at times. But I've accounted that for some kind of resistor heating issue, since it only does it occasionally during long rides. I've taken the fuel level sensor out of the tank and had a look at it, but it's a pretty simple and sound piece of engineering. Mine didn't have any mechanical or electrical component failures that I could see. Plus when I changed the original lights of the dashboard to LED lights, the malfunction has become increasingly rarer, warranting me to believe that there really are resistors on the circuit board before the dial, which may heat up and hence change resistance.
How can the sensor fail completely and just fall out? It's a pretty tight squeeze to even get it in. I will however acknowledge that the o-rings on the cover may fail, but that still wouldn't amount to full catastrophe. You'd easily smell the leak, before it got so bad that it would ignite.
And what is an adiabatic atmospheric sensor? Never heard of that.
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I think it might be a wind up ;)
ha ha. Hilarious. :rolleyes :'(
:evil :lol