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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: simonm on 17 March 2013, 11:55:39 am
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Bought another bike. Why ? I don't know. It's newer than my other one, jazzier paintwork. But looks like it needs some TLC.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-YAMAHA-FZS-600-FAZER-RED-BLACK-/330886859498 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-YAMAHA-FZS-600-FAZER-RED-BLACK-/330886859498)
Any advice ?
Cheers
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What's better than a Fazer?....Two Fazer's :lol Looks like a solid bike. Needs new tyres front and back. You'd want to carefully inspect the chain as well as they can be for the bin at half wear if they've not been looked after. I'd do an oil and filter, brake fluid change no matter when the owner says he's last done it. So I'd budget for all that. Cosmetically it looks in great condition, looks like it's never been dropped which is rare! Just give the engine a paint with a good quality paint and it would look like new. Sounds like it has a cam chain rattle to me which is fairly typical of these bikes. It could be that the tensioner is about to advance on a click and then all will be well or it could be that the cam chain is worn out and needs to be replaced which would be bad news.
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Looks great paint wise except for the engine and yes it sounds like cam chain rattle.
Good price for what I think is the best colour combination.
Cam chain is not a huge job to fix with a split chain (max 6 hours work in total) and it has stainless exhaust which is good.
A cam chain and soft link is about £50
Maybe Packie might paint the engine for you :lol http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,6762.0.html (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,6762.0.html)
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Are you planning on selling your other or keeping them both ?
If you have a garage and are keeping them both i (personal preference) would get it inside and strip it down and give it a right proper clean up (not suggesting it's dirty but the seller has done 'all weather' commuting on it). Whilst its stripped you could check all the consumable parts (tyres, chain, sprockets, plugs, pads, filters, oil etc) and replace where necessary and clean what isn't. Any threaded fixings you remove can be coppergreased prior to refitting.
I suggest this for a number of reasons but mainly 1) You have another bike to ride so you won't be off the road if we ever get any decent weather 2) You will have a cracking little bike at the end of it 3) It will teach you loads about your bike and you will get to know it inside out and about how things work 4) It will create a sense of acheivement when its all back together and looking spangly.
On the other hand, you may not be that way inclined in which case just check to make sure everything is safe and then go out and ride the shit out of it :rollin
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I think I'd hope to keep it and try to get the missus to take her cat a test.
I'd love to do a full refurb but the idea scares me witless. I need a mechanic type friend who can give me advice and pointers :-)
Thanks for the positivity :-)
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Nice one! Wish I could afford to have another bike, think I need my own garage space first though! haha! Dad might notice if I sneak another bike into his garage.
Looks good, needs red silicon coolant hoses though.. ;)
As for doing a full strip and refurb, you'd be amazed how much you'd manage to do with time, patience and common sense. There is so much help on this site that you'd never be stuck and if the s&*t hits the fan then i'm sure you'd find someone close by to lend a hand. Go for it, give it a go, if it really all goes tits and you can't get it all back together then sell the parts and make a fortune ;)
Hope it works out well,
All the best,
Chris
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Personally I would have gone for this one on ebay......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-51-YAMAHA-FZS-600-FAZER-JUST-14002m-ONE-PREV-OWNER-NEW-MOT-/261181234977?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D6312816475464118481%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D330886859498%26 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-51-YAMAHA-FZS-600-FAZER-JUST-14002m-ONE-PREV-OWNER-NEW-MOT-/261181234977?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D6312816475464118481%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D330886859498%26)
....ya...its about 400 bucks more, but you could be putting that into your bike very shortly when you think about it.
Your tyres are nearly shot (£170) and if that rattle is the camchain (£50) and if you haven't the ability to do it yourself, then 4-5 hours labour in a garage could cost you another £200-£300. And you dunno if the tensioner is ok either. Mine was goosed and costed me another £120 onto that.
If your bike had nothing to be done to it, then I would have classed it as a real bargain at £970. But it mightn't be so until you see were you stand with that camchain and tensioner. I had to do my camchain and tensioner plus another few things, which made my (what I thought was a) bargain purchase, not such a bargain afterwards and a bit of a disappointment money wise.
Best of luck with it anyway. Not trying to rain on your parade, but just making people aware that they need to think carefully when they see a "bargain".
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It went for £1651 which, I think, is hopefully more than it'll cost to get mine sorted.
In addition. It was in Devon which is half the country away from me
And my one has a belly pan, stainless steel down pipes etc.
I dunno, you may be right, you may be wrong but you roll the dice and take your chances huh :b
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I know the feeling simonm I couldnt resist either just added a XJR1300 to my stable
you enjoy yourself with your new bike
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I know the feeling simonm I couldnt resist either just added a XJR1300 to my stable
you enjoy yourself with your new bike
Nice one :-) :)
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It went for £1651 which, I think, is hopefully more than it'll cost to get mine sorted.
In addition. It was in Devon which is half the country away from me
And my one has a belly pan, stainless steel down pipes etc.
I dunno, you may be right, you may be wrong but you roll the dice and take your chances huh :b
It went for £1,650?? Well that is why it caught my eye at £1,350. It would have beed a good investment money wise.
On the other hand, if I bought your bike it wouldn't be a bargain or good investment IMO. I would need a front tyre asap or risk the bike getting totalled. Now i'm up to £1,050.
Next on the "asap list" is that it's obvious that I have camchain problems. Do I risk driving it and having a engine destruction, or have it checked out?? To actually physically see that all is ok, then I need to whip out the tensioner and see were the camchain is on the notches on it. That is a carbs off jobbie. If I can't do it myself, then that is another £100 for 2-3 hours labour in a garage. Outlay now is up to £1,150. If it need a camchain, that another £150 for parts and additional labour. They might even insist that you get a gasket for the cam cover like my guy did. Now the outlay is up to the £1,300. And my bike is still only worth £950 were as if that other bike was £1,350...then I would have bought that bike with a better return for my investment. I only speak from making that blunder myself and having the experience myself of having to pump dead money into what I thought was a "bargain" at the time. No offence is intended. This post might be of help to others if not to you.
That other bike has a bellypan too...dunno were you are coming with that statement. And do you think that stainless pipes is s good thing?? Not quite. Ok, it will allow you to neglect your pipes going forward without the risk of rotting. But the mere fact that they are on the bike in the first place with the original can, will tell a more shrewd buyer than me a sort of a story. And that story being that the originals rotted with NEGLECT. A look at the other dudes pipes (mint after 12 years) confirms he hasn't treated his bike with NEGLECT. So your pipes are actually a negative in a sale rather than a positive over the other guys mint originals.
If you can do all the work yourself, then you bike will be a fairly decent buy IMO. But if you are paying for engine work, then you may not have bought the bargain that you thought. That was my experience with my own bike so again no offence intended....just sharing my experiences.
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Wow negativity central :eek
Thanks for sharing your concerns anyway. I thought that even if I scrapped it I could make my money back and in the meantime I can dress up my kosha fazer with new fairings, new exhaust and a bellypan.
Nevermind.
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I'll try and look on the bright side a bit for you :lol Most fazers I've seen have a bit of cam chain rattle so I wouldn't say it definitely has a major problem. It could easily be that the tensioner is about to advance on and the noise will go itself or it might just be stuck between adjustments. Taking it out and seeing how far advanced it is is not difficult and if you can do it yourself is free. Doing that will reset it and might solve your problem for nothing. If it doesn't the bike is cheap enough that you can put a few quid into it and have a great bike that will look like new.
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I've just spoken to the guy and he's given me a level of confidence that it was a good buy. Seems like a genuine reason for sale and he knew the other owners as they were all friends
I'll do the checks and take it from there.
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looks like it has a double bubble and the (nice sounding bloke) said it has braided brake hoses too. The graphite style hugger looks nice too.
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I'll try and look on the bright side a bit for you :lol Most fazers I've seen have a bit of cam chain rattle so I wouldn't say it definitely has a major problem. It could easily be that the tensioner is about to advance on and the noise will go itself or it might just be stuck between adjustments. Taking it out and seeing how far advanced it is is not difficult and if you can do it yourself is free. Doing that will reset it and might solve your problem for nothing. If it doesn't the bike is cheap enough that you can put a few quid into it and have a great bike that will look like new.
Thank you :D . Time to read up on the Haynes manual and try to understand what everything in an engine actually does ;) . You were speaking in a foreign language I'm afraid.
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From experience, and also reading on here, the cam chain rattle normally starts around the 30,000 mark.
The fact it was mentioned in the ad (fair enough) and that the bike's done 38,000 and still rattling suggests to me it'll need sorting sooner rather than later.
I know some people ignore it and just live with it, i personally found the noise irritating and wanted it sorted straight away.
You'll always get a bit of rattle on start up in colder weather due to the oil not being warmed up, but the noise should totally go away if it's within spec.
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Wow negativity central :eek
Thanks for sharing your concerns anyway. I thought that even if I scrapped it I could make my money back and in the meantime I can dress up my kosha fazer with new fairings, new exhaust and a bellypan.
Nevermind.
Not Quite Negativity Central.....just being realistic. :rolleyes
The owner of my bike sounded very genuine to me too....aren't they all!! These guys are hardly not going to butter you up to get you to part with your hard earned cash...so I'd take that with a grain of salt. Afterall, he nearly took the bike off ebay due to lack of interest so he would be bulling to sell it.
I had a little camchain rattle on my bike as well. Not alone was the camchain goosed, but the tensioner had been welded on the tip to take up the slack. If I drove it on, I would have wrecked the engine. I can't find the thread, but a guy on this forum did exactly that and wrecked his engine. Both the camchain and tensioner had to be replaced at a total cost of £170 parts and £200 labour. So much for my genuine seller!!
Then the discs were worn beyond the limit which I had no tool on me to check when buying...another £350 was poured into the bike. There was other stuff too after that. This is not negativity. This actually happened to me and my reality. I'm just sharing because it could easily be possibly yours or anyone elses reality too.
I agree that it may be a good buy for you as you have the fallback of using it for spares if you wish for your other Fazer. I didn't have that luxury as my other bike is a Bandit 12. This Fazer was meant to be my workhorse while keeping my Bandit fresh.... so I had to make it work out for me and put the money in... or else take a huge hit to sell it for scrap.
Anyway....I hope the bike is ok. But I'm at a bit of a loss though on how you have come up with the idea that you could get your £970 back with a pile of stuff stripped off it when this guy could barely sell as it was with all the stuff on....doesn't make sense!
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i was watchin that listing. it was on 800 right till the end. bloody good buy mate. just needs a bit a tidyin up is all. and sprayin Blue :)
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Looks like a good buy ( time will tell) ;) take the good stuff off and fit to your other Fazer , tart it up, learn how to do cam chain and anything else that needs doing and if you sell it and break even(ish) youve learnt new skills for free(ish) if you keep it just enjoy it as its not about cost( within reason) its about the fun of doing and learning :) and if you completly foc it up break it and get most of your cash back :lol :lol
Mark
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If you plan on keeping your fazer long term then hey presto you've a complete set of spares at the ready,no more searching online & ordering,just strip & fit,
Who knows,in the future those parts may just become more in demand as the fazer pool slowly depletes & make you even more money.
A new fuel tank from yam will cost you nigh on 800 quid alone,strip it off,clean it,oil it,store it & use it if yours is killed by the new 10% ethanol fuels coming soon.
Happy days 8)
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A new fuel tank from yam will cost you nigh on 800 quid alone,strip it off,clean it,oil it,store it & use it if yours is killed by the new 10% ethanol fuels coming soon.
Happy days 8)
Now let me see...my tank is goosed.....I can buy a whole bike (working) for about £1000.....or do I a buy a new tank for £800....hmmmm!!
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i was watchin that listing. it was on 800 right till the end. bloody good buy mate. just needs a bit a tidyin up is all. and sprayin Blue :)
Well Simon is very lucky...if it was in blue it would have costed two grand!!! We all know that the blue ones go faster!!
Well wear anyway Simon....looking at my responses over the weekend, I sort of did come across negative, so apologies for that. Hopefully you will get a slice of luck and that it will be good to go with just a little touch up of paint.
Try Plasticote gloss paint or I like to use BBQ paint for a more matt finish. The fins can be tricky. I just painted mine over....easier to touch up afterwards. But you can paint over them and then wipe along the fins straight away with the edge of a cloth and some white spirits to bring them back out.
Another tip is to go over all the rusty bits like bolts ect with black paint from a tin and with a fine artists type brush. You be amazed how it freshens things up a bit. And for the metal bits like Pipes and non laquered hangers I like to use Autosol in a tube.
Cheers!!
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Seems in fairly good nick but if you are prepared to do the work yourself (if it needs it) then it will save you a small fortune - plus spares are always handy as mentioned. My blue turned out to be a bit of a pain - cheap upfront (£760) but needed new tyres and discs. Thankfully I had spare discs so that saved a lot of money and the exhaust issue was a pain, but again, I did the labour myself (with some help from Exupnut to get it back together ;)) Probably saved £300-£400 in labour at least :)
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Seems in fairly good nick but if you are prepared to do the work yourself (if it needs it) then it will save you a small fortune - plus spares are always handy as mentioned. My blue turned out to be a bit of a pain - cheap upfront (£760) but needed new tyres and discs. Thankfully I had spare discs so that saved a lot of money and the exhaust issue was a pain, but again, I did the labour myself (with some help from Exupnut to get it back together ;) ) Probably saved £300-£400 in labour at least :)
How is that bike running now, Deadeye??
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Enjoy it mate, it looks tidy.
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A few niggles but it's on the road :D
I think its over-fuelling and running a bit rich as it dropped to 41mpg the other day (mind you I was giving it some) with an average of 46mpg... my red one managed 56mpg easy. So once the new garage finally has a roof on (6 months later...) then I should be able to get things done a bit easier without worrying about the weather. I did notice a strange knock the other day so I'll try and get a vid at some point and start a new thread on it - one good thing is that I do have a spare engine from my red one which I will get out and start rebuilding in the coming months :)
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A few niggles but it's on the road :D
I think its over-fuelling and running a bit rich as it dropped to 41mpg the other day (mind you I was giving it some) with an average of 46mpg... my red one managed 56mpg easy. So once the new garage finally has a roof on (6 months later...) then I should be able to get things done a bit easier without worrying about the weather. I did notice a strange knock the other day so I'll try and get a vid at some point and start a new thread on it - one good thing is that I do have a spare engine from my red one which I will get out and start rebuilding in the coming months :)
41-45 is about right when giving it a bit. Your average of 46mpg is slightly down alright. I'm about averaging in the 50's mark mostly town riding. Don't think I ever got up to the 56's.
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Really? My red one never dropped below 50 even when absolutely caning it and averaged low-mid 50's
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Really? My red one never dropped below 50 even when absolutely caning it and averaged low-mid 50's
I would have to say your definition of caning it might be different to most peoples, even if the fazer 6s are very good on fuel :lol
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Perhaps, hard to say really and its entirely possible that my riding style has changed in the mean time whilst chasing after crazy foccers in London *cough* Exupnut...
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Really? My red one never dropped below 50 even when absolutely caning it and averaged low-mid 50's
She's constantly up in the 50's for mostly town riding which i'm pretty satisfied with. Maybe sh'e running a bit rich, but i'm not going to screw around with the mixture screws to save 6-7mph per gallon when she is running pretty sweet.
I dunno what your definition of caning it, but there are other basic factors to consider too which willl effect each persons mileage. Like were you riding 1up or 2up?...what kind of weight are you pulling? (i'm 16.5 st and if you were 13st then obviously she is going to drink a bit more carrying an extra 3.5st). I have the biggest top box with a rack that will add another 1.5st to the bike. Then there is more weight if I load it up with gear. Different exhausts will give different power and fuel consumption. Were you travelling mostly on good weather days or into stiff windy conditions??
I guess my figures were based with totally different conditions. Leaving aside the exhaust or other slight mechanical differences that may exist between our bikes, I did a 320 miles on a motorway recently and I was riding 2 up (pulling about 28st) with a top box with gear (another 2st) into very windy conditions. My average speeds were 75mph (35%), 80-85mph (45%) and 90-100mph (20%). My fuel consumption for the whole trip was 45mpg. Maybe I shouldn't have thrown out my figures until I do some one up riding. Even at that, it wouldn't be accurate and can only be estimated. If you are getting 56mpg on your bike over a certain distance and I used your bike under the exact same riding conditions but if I am 3-4st heavier than you, then IMO it would seem to me that the bike will have to do a small bit more pulling for that extra weight which will effect the fuel consumption on the exact same bike....but I stand open to be corrected on that one.
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Well, that's the thing, mine isn't running pretty sweet. It's running and reasonably well, but I wouldn't call it sweet so that's where my investigative work is coming in.
When I had the red one I was touching nearly 20st at my heaviest but I've since been dieting fairly heavily and have dropped to 15st. I don't carry pillions (yet - friends girlfriend wants to get on, but hasn't gotten round to it yet) and I don't have a top box or baggage etc. Exhaust system is identical to the old bike (as it was removed from it and put on to this new one), air filter is good, oil and filter has been changed recently. I think weather conditions can be ignored since I rode all weather in the red one and have continued to do so with the blue one.
So plugs ideally need to be done, if just to be sure of when they were last changed but I really do think that its going to be the mixture at this point. If not then I can look elsewhere
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20st???....my!....u were a BIG FOCCER!! O0
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Yup, far too much time eating soooo much crap whilst sat in front of my computer all day programming away for Uni. But, I'm doing what I can to get myself fit :)
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Yup, far too much time eating soooo much crap whilst sat in front of my computer all day programming away for Uni. But, I'm doing what I can to get myself fit :)
Good on you mate. Takes a lot of hard work but you are clearly doing really well! Keep it up.
Now get back out to your garage and work on your bike! 8)
Chris