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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: jonjenk on 01 March 2013, 11:04:57 pm
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Someone on here suggested I "Ivanise" my fazer1000. ... can anyone explain what this is, who does it and how much. Cheers.
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Sorry to be a tease! Here's the web page
http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1.htm (http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1.htm)
The kit costs around £120 and makes a Fazer 1000 even better than it already is. Crisper throttle response, less surging on a steady throttle, smoother torque curve and the rear wheel horsepower goes from 120 to 140. Not that I did it for the top end power increase, it was more about making it more rideable. If you do a search on this forum you'll find 8 pages of glowing reports
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,4366.0.html (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,4366.0.html)
It takes about 4 hours to fit but there's a chap on here called Falcon who has fitted hundreds who pops over from Spain every now and then.
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,74.msg244.html#msg244 (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,74.msg244.html#msg244)
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Don't worry about reading all that :z
Just look at the last line in the last post here http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,5911.0.html (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,5911.0.html)
It looks like Mike will be over here soon working his magic, the only problem is, once you know when he is coming, is the waiting.
Get in on one of his visits, you wont regret it.. I did 10 years ago and the old girl has never missed a beat since, still running sweet and pulling strong after all those years.
Steve.
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Hi JonJenk,
Drop me an e-mail (mikegreatorexAThotmail.com) and I'll give you chapter and verse on 'Ivanising'.
And yes, still thinking of a May visit ... must get started on the planning of that soon. :)
Mike
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How do you know if it has been done already?
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How do you know if it has been done already?
I 2nd that.. mine seems to be fairly smooth anyway. It has also had a few mods by the previous owner so is there an easy way to spot if it has already been done?
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Probably several ways, but I noticed that after fitting my kit the amount of revs while starting on full choke dropped by quite a bit - from memory she now sits under 2500rpm instead of 3000+ she used to run at
Then again, perhaps I didn't fit the kit properly :-D
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Quickest way to check is to remove one of the carb tops (#2 is easiest) and then take out the throttle slide and inspect the needle.
If it has SD-129 or SD-130 stamped around the top, it's a standard original needle.
Ivan's needles have 5 different taper angles ground into them, two of which are obvious to the naked eye.
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Any idea of the jet part numbers
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Jets are marked 130 and 132.5. Mikuni standard parts.
You can't get at the jets without removing the carbs, which is why I suggested the needles as the quickest check.
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Thanks Mike, not that I don't trust my mechanic but checked the old needles and they were SD-130 but looked at the jets and they were two different part numbers, I thought he maybe forgot to replace two of them. I did some checking with SG Motorsports and Ivans are 122.5 for the four of them.....anyone know why the old jets are two different sized and Ivans are all the same.
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Quite common with Yamaha running richer outside carbs. The old fzr4 3tj ran 1 size down on the middle cylinders. Apparently the middle cylinders run hotter. All the dyno operators told us to run 4 of a kind as at 16k rpm you dont want dodgy fuelling
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Quite common with Yamaha running richer outside carbs. The old fzr4 3tj ran 1 size down on the middle cylinders. Apparently the middle cylinders run hotter. All the dyno operators told us to run 4 of a kind as at 16k rpm you dont want dodgy fuelling
16k rpm on a fazer.......my clocks only go up to 13k. :'( if it reached 16k rpm I'd expect more than dodgy fuelling :lol
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Is it really worth the £110 price tag? http://www.sgmotorsport.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=44 (http://www.sgmotorsport.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=44)
Going to check mine over the weekend to see if it has been done or not. I hope it has that way I can put the money towards a Multiguage :)
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Is it really worth the £110 price tag?
yes
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Yes x2
The best £110 you'll ever spend on a bike.
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...anyone know why the old jets are two different sized and Ivans are all the same.
Exactly as SLG called it ... your mechanic hasn't screwed up. :)
And yes, definitely worth it ... ;)
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When I got mine someone had put a dyno kit on it. Ran like a bag of nails till.6k ish then off like a cat affter a rat. Hated the way it behaved.
Then mike worked his magic and was a huge improvement. So clean from low down to red line.
Had it on a dyno run a couple of times now and each time they comment on how good the fueling is.
2nd best money you can spend on the gen 1. (first being suspension)
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Ok well you have convinced me.. so much so I got lucky on the bay this evening. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IVANS-CARB-TUNING-KIT-YAMAHA-FAZER-1000-/171001867372?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=IeXm%252BTOoK%252FL87yw0gZQSLxNoIHA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IVANS-CARB-TUNING-KIT-YAMAHA-FAZER-1000-/171001867372?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=IeXm%252BTOoK%252FL87yw0gZQSLxNoIHA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)
:D
I have had a read through the various guides and I think I am capable of doing the work myself. however if anyone has any pearls of wisdom feel free to pass them on. I am in no rush as the bike is not my primary mode of transport but having it sorted for the better weather is my goal.
Apologies to jonjenk it was far from my intention to hijack your thread chap.
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Sorry if I'd missed it, but how the fuel consumption is reflected on bike Ivanised, is there any change?
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The basic Slip-On kit doesn't adversely affect fuel consumption and some owners even do marginally better than before because the motor drives better low down, so they hold a higher gear.
With the Full Monty installation, you're looking at around 136 - 138bhp at the rear wheel, a big gain over a typical stock 122bhp or so. You can't get that sort of extra ooomph without burning more fuel, though. ;) That said, if you are moderate with the throttle, you won't notice a major reduction in mpg.
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Just reading the instructions over and the 1st note states (stock air filter only) would it have any adverse effects me running my pipercross filter?
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no
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however if anyone has any pearls of wisdom feel free to pass them on. I am in no rush as the bike is not my primary mode of transport but having it sorted for the better weather is my goal.
Yes. Getting the carburetors in and out is a painful and troubling experience, but taking the carbs apart and fitting the kit is surprisingly easy. But Fazer's are a doddle to work on generally, so lock the garage door and you'll be fine.
Pat's FZ1 site has an excellent guide to getting the carbs out and there is a YouTube video on Ivanising, but I'm damned if I can find it at the moment. Shows setting the float chambers really clearly.
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Out of interest can anyone confirm the contents of the box? in the sellers picture on eBay it shows 4 small washers. when I have received the kit it only has 1 in there??? Checked Jiffy bag but nothing in there. thanks again.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171001867372 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171001867372)
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You don't need the washers, so don't worry about them. They're not part of the original kit.
Read the fitting guides on Pat's Site very carefully and you'll understand why this isn't an issue. That is also my main advice on how to fit the kit - read the guides very carefully before you start. Too many people skim read and think they've understood what to do but don't quite get it. All the handy hints and tricks on how to remove/refit the carbs are covered.
Key hint? Make sure you get the airbox back far enough before trying to move the carbs. That means pulling the EXUP cables and overflow hose from between the airbox and the frame rail. The blocks on the zip ties holding the rubber on the frame cross member at the rear of the tank also need to be rotated clear or else they can rob you of a valuabe few mms of clearance. :)
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The basic Slip-On kit doesn't adversely affect fuel consumption and some owners even do marginally better than before because the motor drives better low down, so they hold a higher gear.
With the Full Monty installation, you're looking at around 136 - 138bhp at the rear wheel, a big gain over a typical stock 122bhp or so. You can't get that sort of extra ooomph without burning more fuel, though. ;) That said, if you are moderate with the throttle, you won't notice a major reduction in mpg.
Mike did a full monty installation on my gen1 fazer,it had a full yoshi exhaust system ,exup had been removed,air box had been modified to suit exhaust,turned my fazer into an absolute beast,best money ever spent on any bike i have ever owned,i could not stop smiling,the power delivery was smooth & the torque was immense,trouble keeping the front end down,if i ever decide to own a fazer again,then Mike will be asked to visit & work his magic :)
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Jonjenk, to complete my total and utter hijack of this thread I thought I would update about my Ivans kit install. :lol
I am really impressed with it. for me the top end power was never an issue, it scared me enough as it was lol. Its so much smoother lower down the revs. over taking is much easier and you can be a little more lazy with the gear changes if needed. Unsure about how much fuel it uses as only been out for 1 short ride so time will tell.
Only thing I have noticed is it does seem to have a little more popping from the exhaust when changing down gears. guess it could be in my head or the rather cold weather could add to this?
Would I do it again? at present not sure I will have to make my mind up over the coming months.
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I haven't been on here for a while so have only just read the replies...
My bike is in bits on the bench at present. I have given it a total nut and bolt refresh ready for the summer... should it arrive.
I found a brand new rear shock for it, a used MRA screen with the adjustable thingy on the top. Got some nice levers, a Givi rack and plate and a tank harness off fleabay. All looking good.
While stripped I noticed that the outermost inlet rubbers on 1 & 4 are cracked and look perished. I ordered two new ones and am currently waiting for a friend of mine (bike mechanic) to come and drag the carbs out for me so I can change the rubbers, and this got me thinking....
If you are reading this post Mike, would you consider fitting me an Ivans kit to a loose set of carbs? If so, how much and when?
Thanks,
John
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You have an e-mail, John. :)