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General => General => Topic started by: Motorbreath on 15 January 2013, 02:04:00 am
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Hi, I am looking at a cheap '91 GSXR 1100, just like this one but it is too far from home to go just for a test ride. I love its looks and power numbers but I would like to know if it is really a fun ride or its heavy weight or something else make it less funny than a FZS 600. I am not even sure if I would sell the FZS after buying the GSXR, or I would keep it.
What do you think?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GSX-R1100
[/size]Try this, looks a heavy beast quite the opposite of your Fazer 600 lol., described as large, heavy and unstable![/color]
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Its a bit old tech, and after riding a more modern bike with better suspension and brakes, I think you'll be a bit disappointed. It'll scare you to death I'm a straight line, then try and kill you on the corners. :lol
A mate of mine had one and his best analogy was "looks like a fish, goes like a fish, steers like a cow".
But have a go, you might like it. :D
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HI,I AGREE WITH STEVIERST.IN MY TIME I HAVE HAD TWO OF THEM BUT P/X THEM FOR MORE MODERN STUFF.ONE FOR MY CURRENT BLADE AND THE OTHER FOR AN R1.THEY ARE NOW BECOMING A BIT OF A COLLECTORS ITEM.BALLISTIC IN A STRAIGHTLINE BUT A BIT OF A HANDFUL ON CORNERS. :( :( .
HAVE A GOOD RUN ON IT,ONE MORE THING THEY ARE F***ING HEAVY.THAT WAS A REASON FOR THE MODERN STUFF.
ANDY. :)
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there's a damn good reason they were popular with drag racers ;)
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there's a damn good reason they were popular with drag racers ;)
Yes, it is :) There is a spanish magazine's test from that year, testing it with a Nitrous oxide system: 199HP at the back wheel :eek . Rest of the bike remained stock, except higher gearing, the engine seemed to endure the extra power very well, and the huge fairing hides the system perfectly :evil
I do not know what to do.
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They look better without all the tupperware.....
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They look better without all the tupperware.....
I love that tupperware ;)
Fastest wheelie record :eek :
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2011/August/aug2611-1989-suzuki-gsx-r1100-wins-wheelie-world-championships/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2011/August/aug2611-1989-suzuki-gsx-r1100-wins-wheelie-world-championships/)
I am thinking of keeping the FZS and buying the GSXR for crazy stuff and track days.
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you'd be better off with the fazer for track days.
they (gsxr) are dinosaurs. lots of engine, nowhere near enough chassis. of that ilk the early exup was king, and by modern-ish standards they are beasts. if you want a track bike get a cbr600fm+ and go for it. a gsxr will bite your head off, shit down the stump and have sex with the rest of your family whilst your corpse is cooling :lol
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you'd be better off with the fazer for track days.
they (gsxr) are dinosaurs. lots of engine, nowhere near enough chassis. of that ilk the early exup was king, and by modern-ish standards they are beasts. if you want a track bike get a cbr600fm+ and go for it. a gsxr will bite your head off, shit down the stump and have sex with the rest of your family whilst your corpse is cooling :lol
hahaha it seems funny enough then :lol The fazer is not able to do proper track days. No matter how much the ground clearance has been increased, it keeps scratching everything. The old magazines said the GSXR has a very good ground clearance.
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It might have good ground clearance, but you've got to be built like Garth, and have nerves of steel to steer the bugger :lol :lol
Plenty of sports 600's out there that would be much better fun, and eat the 1100 dino bike for breakfast on a track.
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go for it! soon be all snapped up by collectors so get as original as poss unless you plan to fighter it.
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It might have good ground clearance, but you've got to be built like Garth, and have nerves of steel to steer the bugger :lol :lol
Plenty of sports 600's out there that would be much better fun, and eat the 1100 dino bike for breakfast on a track.
Might be the challenge the real fun? I do not mind to be slower than other people, but to enjoy the bike. I tried a YZF 1000 Thunderace before: very fast but too perfect, it didn't feel heavy as everybody said. It was boring, I didn't "feel" the speed.
On the other hand I do not understand the low tech reasons: fully adjustable USD forks, rear shock with reservoir tank, aluminum frame. Only the heavy air/oil cooled engine is lower tech than a FZS 600, but it is heavy duty, so no problem with it.
Plus if the dinobike ends overtaking contemporary bikes on track it will be funny as hell. If not, I do not care as long as I am having fun. The day before my first track day a CBR1000RR owner recommended me to not to go with this old Fazer, moreover with the road tyres it fitted. You can imagine what happened on the track. I was a lot faster than him, many overtakes, he went home at noon.
I have written to the owner...
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I would love one - it would have to be in the black and purple colour scheme though with purple wheels. It is the bike that got me into bikes in 1991 I was in France and went on the back of one, great machine, no shortage of character. Would have to a be second bike in my collection, to go with my K7.
I guess it is what it is - too much engine and weight in too little chassis (in comparison to most newer sports bikes) but if you can accept that it should be great for a blast.
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I agree with you motorbreath, it'll certainly be a scream, and a challenge too if you can tweek the chassis for the track and blast past the newer machines, then every credit to ya and go for it.
Gotta admit, one of my favourite bikes for being a challenging ride was my old suzuki GS500! It was a proper basket case bike, but I sorted it out into a commuting carver, embarassing many a bigger bike in the town traffic. It just goes to show that its not what you've got, its how you ride it :D
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i think the thread should be titled:
i'm going to buy a gixxer, convince me otherwise ;)
do it. i bought a pop up katana as 'i always fancied one new'.
dear god what a terrible bike compared to modern kit, but it's different and in a quite insane way, fun to ride (by fun i mean that the frame is hinged so weaves above 70, the brakes are only fit for a moped and stephenson's rocket had better suspension, and the exhaust collector grounds out on right handers)
if only ......... are words i hate to hear!
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I have found this track test: 2003 GSXR 1000 vs. 1992 1100 vs. 2003 ZXR636 vs. 1986 GPZ 600R. It doesn't seem too bad after all:
http://hem.bredband.net/b375786/1100_vs_1000.zip (http://hem.bredband.net/b375786/1100_vs_1000.zip)
note:there is a typo error. they have mismatched the 600 and 1000 graphs, page 54
i think the thread should be titled:
i'm going to buy a gixxer, convince me otherwise ;)
Yes, my answers look like that but I am not really sure yet, sorry :o . But sometimes I just listen to all of you who say it handles like a cow and change my mind. I think the Katana has to be worse. I just hope the GSXR is not half as bad as the 1984 Yamaha FJ 1100 I have ridden a couple times -brakes? what is that? :eek That would be terrible. As I said, I have ridden a "heavy" Thunderace and I think it is a great bike. According with another track test the GSXR rode faster than the Ace- thanks mainly to its ground clearance. So it cannot be that bad, can it?
One positive thing is the fact that, as long as I own another modern bike, it falls into "classic vehicle" insurance (+20 years old: 50€) and on its 25th birthday it stops paying any taxes, just MOT every two years. I could even make money of it if I get bored and sell it.
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You'll certainly get attention riding about on it.
Saw one parked up in town last year, it just looked massive, tall, fat with a monster fairing. Looks of people looking at it including me.
I do remember the bike mags slagging of one years version of it, apparently a bit of a hedge hopper. I think that year in the proddy TT, when basically the bikes were raced as they came out of the showroom, it was involved in a number of fatalities.
Yeah you might want to do a bit of chassis and suspension work on it if you do go for it. If it's in reasonably good nick and you keep it nice it's only gonna increase in value.
But I know what you mean about the fun factor. I test rode a lightly used Triumph Daytona in the mid 90's, I had it for the best part of a day. I just loved it, the engine the size of the thing etc. I didn't buy it though, I didn't feel confident enougth back then with all that weight and that I was on my tip toes at a standstill. I bought a CBR600 instead, better handling, faster but just didn't quite make you feel the king of the road that the Daytona did. Maybe if I ever get that old garage of mine fully sorted out I might see if I can get hold of an early 90's Speed Triple 900.
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It will have to wait. The owner is a truck driver and he won't be at home for a while.
You'll certainly get attention riding about on it.
Saw one parked up in town last year, it just looked massive, tall, fat with a monster fairing. Looks of people looking at it including me.
I do remember the bike mags slagging of one years version of it, apparently a bit of a hedge hopper. I think that year in the proddy TT, when basically the bikes were raced as they came out of the showroom, it was involved in a number of fatalities.
Yeah you might want to do a bit of chassis and suspension work on it if you do go for it. If it's in reasonably good nick and you keep it nice it's only gonna increase in value.
But I know what you mean about the fun factor. I test rode a lightly used Triumph Daytona in the mid 90's, I had it for the best part of a day. I just loved it, the engine the size of the thing etc. I didn't buy it though, I didn't feel confident enougth back then with all that weight and that I was on my tip toes at a standstill. I bought a CBR600 instead, better handling, faster but just didn't quite make you feel the king of the road that the Daytona did. Maybe if I ever get that old garage of mine fully sorted out I might see if I can get hold of an early 90's Speed Triple 900.
I suppose that getting attention that way is not a good think, it seems like most people was looking at a very obese person. :\ But it doen't matter.
Thanks for the dangerous version advise. I had read about it too, it was a previous model.
I had never heard of those older triples, they are beautiful!
(http://www.fedrotriple.it/agg_2009_09/1994-speedtriple.jpg)
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The old Speed Triple is the same bike as the Daytona, just the Daytona has the barn door fairing.
I think the Daytona still looks cool in a kind dated way, but the speed triple has a certain almost timeless look to it.
A lot of Daytona's have become speed triples, and I've seen plenty of Tridents and Sprints trying to pass themselves off as Speed Triples too.
It's all wrong of course, trying to be a cafe racer with a big water cooled lump and spine frame. But I think it looks great. I just hope they ride as well as I remember.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2687/4065767016_45e9709ff2.jpg)
Oh there's a 150bhp Daytona 1200, that might tickle yer fancy. There's was a 120bhp gentleman's agreement that nobody would import a bike with more than 120bhp. Triumph decided that as they were making em here, well such nonsense didn't apply to them, so hence the monster 4 cylinder 150bhp Daytona 1200
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That Daytona looks really nice, I think I have never seen one in real life. But they are very rare overhere. Nowadays there are hundreds of street triples and 675 daytonas, but old triumphs did not sell very well.
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It was early days then for the new Triumph company.
One reason they are a bit big and lardy was one of the main priorities for the new company was reliability.
While they had an iconic name in the bag, they knew that one whiff of unreliability and they would probably crash and burn, all those old British bike jokes would kill em off quick. So on the early bikes no chances were taken, everything is pretty much over engineered.
They also had to be modular. The new start needed to be able to present a range of bikes with the minimum of expense. So all the early 90's bikes are pretty much the same thing tweaked and remodelled.
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6 months later I am going to test this one! It looks like bargain!
http://motos.coches.net/ocasion/suzuki/gsx/r1000-1992-en-madrid-5499461.htm (http://motos.coches.net/ocasion/suzuki/gsx/r1000-1992-en-madrid-5499461.htm)
Edit: of course it is 73000km not 7300
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if you don't buy it, put a deposit down for me. £800 :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek
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I once shoehorned an 1100 slabby lump into a 750 teapot frame. It fits.... just. The ride was 'interesting' imagine a spacehopper on crystal meth.
Would I do it again? Hell yeah!
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That is the colour scheme I want for this bike. Suzuki should do a modern version of this colour scheme.
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No MOT passed, electrical system failing in many ways, broken right mirror, lots of rust, illegal can without MOT chances. I haven no place to restore it. If at least it passed MOT...
But it was a lot of fun, I loved to ride it. It seems to eat front tyres too! My Fazer felt almost like a bicycle when returned home :(
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I forgot to mention there were an awful lot of vibes at about 5000 rpm (normal cruising speed). If it is the common thing for this model I do not want it anymore. I couldn't stand it for 10 minutes!
It would slower than the little Fazer at twisty roads too.
Am I just self-convincing? :lol
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I would love one - it would have to be in the black and purple colour scheme though with purple wheels. It is the bike that got me into bikes in 1991 I was in France and went on the back of one, great machine, no shortage of character. Would have to a be second bike in my collection, to go with my K7.
I guess it is what it is - too much engine and weight in too little chassis (in comparison to most newer sports bikes) but if you can accept that it should be great for a blast.
like this one ?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1000065_710589295633138_812471677_n.jpg)
Currently up for sale for £1600
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Almost - the yellow R isn't right and it looks more purple & black rather than black & purple.
Anyway its a bit academic as SWMBO isn't letting me add another bike to the garage! Shame really as you won't lose anything on depreciation if you find a good originalish one at the right price.