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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: dudeboy52 on 11 January 2013, 09:40:43 am
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Hi my bike is restricted and i can only get about 140 miles out of the tank as the light comes on around then. Every one on hear says you can do over 200 whats wrong with mine? :\
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If you have smartphone, get one of the fuel consumption apps and use it to monitor your fuel ups. You should be getting 45+ easily.
Might be because your having to screw everywhere to get a restricted bike to go well.
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That doesn't sound good. Check how much fuel you are putting in each time and work out the m.p.g. rather than just go of the light coming on.
An un-restricted Fazer 600 normally gets between 50 and 60 m.p.g., and I would have thought a restricted one to be at the top end of that.
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Without knowing how many litres you're sticking in there it's hard to say what's wrong.
If it's 18+ litres then you've a problem and I'd check the colour of the plugs to see if the carbs are set too rich... if it's 12 litres the problem is you're getting fooled by the fact that the fuel warning light comes on when there's a gallon left to use in the tank.
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Does the fuelling need altering when the bike is restricted? Any takers?
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Depends what model of bike you have aswell.
Mine (1998) has a smaller fuel tank than the newer fazers.
I use a app called fuelly.
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You have an 18 litre tank, 00/01 has 20 litres, 02/03 has 22 litres.
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I recently checked the average I've done since i bought my 03' 600 in May and got 61.3 mpg (4523 miles on 332 liters of fuel), about 70% of that has been long 200 mile motorway runs.
Still makes me laugh when the MCN review says "Apart from its thirst for fuel it would make a great despatcher's motorcycle"
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I've had 3 fazer 600's now, my first one did mostly motorway and did 55 ish at [ahem] 85mph ish. My second one as a commuter averaged 50, and my latest one just gets ridden and refilled after About 180 miles or so.
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Mcn reviews are utter pants, if its not a race rep that does 180 mph it's a crap bike, I remember years ago when suzuki changed the bandit from the first shape to the second and they were moaning about how uncomfortable it was, but the next review was an r1 and they were raving about how comfortable that was, :eek nobs. I would of thought that most 600s should be 50 + mpg these days as long as your not ringing it's neck,
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I've never tried to work out what fuel i use, i'm stuck in traffic most days and don't travel far enough for it to really bother me, plus it wouldn't be a true measurement of mileage and fuel ratio anyway. :'(
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I'd say its about normal providing if it's an 18 litre tank and if your riding are mostly made up of small trips with a lot of stop starting.
There's about 3.5ltr in reserve when the light comes on, so you'd be getting 140 miles on 14.5 litres. That's 43 mpg.
I get about 45 mpg if i'm stop starting a lot but I can get 55 mpg on longer runs. I have the Foxeye model (02 onwards) which has 22 litres, and on average if the riding is mixed with 70% of short trips at 45mpg and 30% of longer trips at 55mpg, then I have no problem in getting 200 miles. It looks like you have been reading guys fuel data that have the bigger tanks. If you have the latest model and only getting 140 to the warning light, then ya...either there is something seriously wrong or else you are doing a 100+ mph all the time!! :stop
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I was getting 60 -65 on a daily commute on A roads. Average 10L for 2 days @65 miles each.
Got it down to 55 when thrashing.
I could probably go lower if I spanked it on back roads but I use the bike for transport for work and I'm happy.
Had a ZX-6 and I was averaging 14L for the same commute
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The tank on the 97/98 fazer 400 holds 18 litres (Original of the species)
The tank on the 98/99 fazer 600 holds 18 litres (Same shape tank as the 400)
The tank on the 00/01 fazer 600 holds 20 litres (Tank is the same shape as the the above but filler neck is shorter which allows you to put in and extra 2 litres))
The tank on the 02/03 fazer 600 holds 22 litres (different style tank)
There you go
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I suspect that my Fazer runs rich too then. My bike is also restricted, and on day to day riding (into Uni and back), I only get about 45 - 50mpg. A bit of a wakeup call from the 78mpg I got out of my Varadero 125!!
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Ive got the 1999 model and yes i ride mainly in town and on short journeys :)
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I suspect that my Fazer runs rich too then. My bike is also restricted, and on day to day riding (into Uni and back), I only get about 45 - 50mpg. A bit of a wakeup call from the 78mpg I got out of my Varadero 125!!
45-50 is not bad for short journeys.
Big difference between the two bikes. Remember the fazer has the equivalent of four 125 pistons
When was it serviced last?
Were the air filter and plugs changed recently?
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Ive got the 1999 model and yes i ride mainly in town and on short journeys :)
Then you are getting pretty reasonable fuel consumption. I reckon your are getting about 43-45mpg for a lot of low gear riding and stop starting. That would bump up tp 50mpg+ if you were doing longer trips which is about the norm. The reason you were alarmed was some folks said they got 200 miles to the warning light, but you forget that these dudes have nearly an extra gallon and could be talking about motorway riding too.
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I suspect that my Fazer runs rich too then. My bike is also restricted, and on day to day riding (into Uni and back), I only get about 45 - 50mpg. A bit of a wakeup call from the 78mpg I got out of my Varadero 125!!
I never used to get more than 65mpg from my Varadero ever! Rag it, drive it like a granny, nothing!
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I suspect that my Fazer runs rich too then. My bike is also restricted, and on day to day riding (into Uni and back), I only get about 45 - 50mpg. A bit of a wakeup call from the 78mpg I got out of my Varadero 125!!
I never used to get more than 65mpg from my Varadero ever! Rag it, drive it like a granny, nothing!
Carbs or injection? I had a carbs model, fitted a 15 tooth front sprocket, and took the baffle out of the airbox to improve flow. Knocked revs down by about 1000 rpm for a given speed. I thought that 78mpg was pretty good for an '04 ridden aggressively seeing as the newer ones are advertised at 90mpg!
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mine was an 09 injected, stock apart from the devil can. I was always dissapointed with the fuel economy of mine
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Does the fuelling need altering when the bike is restricted? Any takers?
Apparently not
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I Think the yamaha OEM restriction kit includes different jets. Not sure if they are richer though.
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That explains it then i did not relise the newer ones had bigger tanks. And it has had a oil and filter change when i purchased it about a month ago. And dont no about air filter and plugs would it be worth putting iriduim plugs in and a k and n air filter? :)
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K&N air filter is definetly the best upgrade you can do to the standard bike and a few pounds cheaper that the OEM filter.
Some do not bother checking the Air filter because it requires removal of the Tank and at least one side panel to get at it. give youaelf about 30 minutes to do it and do it before you fill the tank.
I have been using Iridium plugs for years now and found that the bike runs smoother and they last longer. I have put them into a few different bikes (Gsxr600, R1, Fazer 1000, BMW GS1200) and noticed the same.
They are more expensive than standard, probably just a matter of choice, but I like them.
With my 22 litre tank I get over 200 miles light on sedate rides before reserve shows it face but can drop to 180miles when ringing its neck.but with the 18 litre tank that would about 50 miles less.
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That explains it then i did not relise the newer ones had bigger tanks. And it has had a oil and filter change when i purchased it about a month ago. And dont no about air filter and plugs would it be worth putting iriduim plugs in and a k and n air filter? :)
IMO....no. Lets say you got an extra 5 miles on a gallon as a result (which I doubt) and jump from 45mpg to 50mpg in town. The cost of new Iridium plugs & KN Filter would be about £80. You are averaging about 10 miles now on every litre so that will jump to about 11.20 miles on every litre. You will save roughly about 60c on every gallon. So it would take you about 123 gallons of petrol before you break even to make up the £80 outlay. Thats about over 5000 miles to cover just to break even. It would take me a year just to break even!! You might save £80 over the course of the next year and then you will have to change the plugs and filter again and wait another year to save money again after that!!
If petrol consumption is your main problem, maybe you need a more efficient bike. But that has its drawbacks too. You will have to make sure that your outlay for this new bike is the same ( or less ) as what you get for your Fazer. Because lets say you pay a grand extra for a bike that will get you 60mpg or even 70mpg.....that grand would buy you 166 gallons of petrol for your Fazer and cover 7,000 miles. So again, it would take you well over a year to see the benefits of your new purchase and you might have to sacrifice power and performance (smaller bike) to do so.
The only bigger bike that I would see as anyway efficient on juice, would be a Honda NC700. You would have to outlay about £4000 with your own bike to get it. That would buy your Fazer petrol for about 5 or 6 years. Ya....You'd have the joys of a new bike ect...but it would take you 5 years to make a saving in petrol if that is you main goal...lol! :eek
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....i forgot to add that if I was doing these mods like these aftermarket plugs and filter, I would be doing so to improve the performance (how smooth the bike is running) as opposed to getting better fuel consumption. I might add balancing the carbs to the list too. But it would be all in the name of getting the bike running smoother. If I get a fuel gain then that would be an added bonus. But it wouldn't pay to just do it as a means of getting added fuel consumption if the bike is already running relatively smooth as it is. If your bike is running smooth and you are satisfied with the power its pulling, then leave well alone IMO. It sounds that you are getting reasonable and near normal fuel consumption for a Fazer. If you need better, you need a different bike with a smaller engine.
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Whilst your on a restricted licence I'd leave the k&N out. If you get stopped or heaven forbid are in an accident and they find out about the air filter being a performance upgrade, your in a world of pain from both the law and the insurance company.
Basically your airfilter could in theory take you over the 33bhp limit, which invalidates your insurance, which means at the roadside your bike gets siezed, you also get 6 points/£200 fine, and taken to court for driving other than in accordance with a licence where another 3 points minimum and another fine. That's your licence gone. Then you have to get someone to insure your bike, pay the £150 recovery cost, and the £15-£20 per day storage costs.
Don't put performance upgrades on a resticted bike, it just ain't worth it!!. Standard filters are just as good for now.
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I got Iridium plugs for £5.60 each. Didn't buy them for performance, just durability.
Didn't bother with a K&N filter as the standard one was £12
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I got Iridium plugs for £5.60 each. Didn't buy them for performance, just durability.
Didn't bother with a K&N filter as the standard one was £12
The K&N is £30 and the last one you'll ever buy for the bike!
Not only does it perform better but it makes total economic sense!
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Fair enough guys i was just interested because the fazers a brilliant bike ive only got 8 months left on my restricted licence so i will wait till then for the k and n and i was only interested in the plugs because they seem to be getting more popular.
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Packie, Why would you have to buy another K&N whene all you need to do is clean it unlike the throw away OEM model. 2 replacements of the OEM will make up the cost of the K&N and from then on no cost other than time
Since the standard fazer runs rich the K&N is a positive improvment. There is a small gain of power and it improves the torque curve throughout the rev range. It is most noticible at the 7000 rev power band plus it improves the fuel consumption slightly.
It most definitely will not increase the power of a restricted bike as the air flow is restricted and no matter what you do with the filter it cannot change the amount of air passing the restrictor.
Good for your pocket and good for the envirnoment.
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Actually, isn't the K&N cleaning kit £12?
I've got one in the garage that I bought for the 2 stroke bike my son had when he was 16 and it had a little K&N filter fitted, not sure how long they are supposed to last on a normal size filter
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Actually, isn't the K&N cleaning kit £12?
I've got one in the garage that I bought for the 2 stroke bike my son had when he was 16 and it had a little K&N filter fitted, not sure how long they are supposed to last on a normal size filter
You don't need to touch it for 50,000 miles, whichever angle you look at it, the K&N is the way to go.
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Sure??
I thought you had to clean the bugger at recommended intervals,,,,,
I remember I had a washable filter one time, I used to wash it out with petrol and soak it in that washable filter oil shit (without wearing gloves the first time :o )
After a while I was blowing black shit out of my exhaust, turned out it was unburnt petrol as the fuel mix wasn't right,,,,
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Never had a K&N for this bike mind,,,,,
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not sure which tank i have on my 99 fazer , saying that i was told its an 02 one. when i fill it to the top
i get 210 ish miles before i fill her up again , i do 36-40 miles aday which last about 4.5 days.
no matter how you look at it its cheaper than having and runing a car :)
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Sure??
I thought you had to clean the bugger at recommended intervals,,,,,
I remember I had a washable filter one time, I used to wash it out with petrol and soak it in that washable filter oil shit (without wearing gloves the first time :o )
After a while I was blowing black shit out of my exhaust, turned out it was unburnt petrol as the fuel mix wasn't right,,,,
Have a quick read...... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YA-6098-K-N-Air-Filter-YAMAHA-FZS600-Fazer-98-03-/290804341579?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item43b54a1b4b (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YA-6098-K-N-Air-Filter-YAMAHA-FZS600-Fazer-98-03-/290804341579?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item43b54a1b4b)
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Packie, Why would you have to buy another K&N whene all you need to do is clean it unlike the throw away OEM model. 2 replacements of the OEM will make up the cost of the K&N and from then on no cost other than time
Since the standard fazer runs rich the K&N is a positive improvment. There is a small gain of power and it improves the torque curve throughout the rev range. It is most noticible at the 7000 rev power band plus it improves the fuel consumption slightly.
It most definitely will not increase the power of a restricted bike as the air flow is restricted and no matter what you do with the filter it cannot change the amount of air passing the restrictor.
Good for your pocket and good for the envirnoment.
Yes...I made a mistake about the K&N replacement....apologies to you and the OP. But it still doesn't solve the OP's problem, which was the point I was trying to convey. This topic is about a fuel consumption problem....not a "Long Term Air Filter Cost Saving" problem.
When you say it improves the fuel consumption "slightly"....by how much per gallon??....and can you be sure it is the K&N??...like were the riding conditions exactly the same for both trips as for you to come to that conclusion?? Is it possible that the slight increase could be down to just driving with the old filter at slightly different speeds, throttle responses and braking?? I get various different fuel consumptions with the same filter on the same bike on the exact same run to work because mainly my throttle response and braking on that route isn't always exactly the same everyday.
As for the power gain...again you talk of only "slight" gains. My Bandit 1200 has a noticeable gain over my Fazer, but I wouldn't call it "kick you in the pants mind blowing" noticeable. So I don't think a K&N on my Fazer isn't really going to make me stand up and take too much notice. The only real benefit of a K&N as I see it, is a once off payment as you pointed out. If you want anything noticeable as regards to power and (for the OP) fuel consumption, then you are talking more than just sticking a K&N on the bike....probably a decent can, stage 1 jet kit, and tuned properly
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The K&N air filter flows like new for up to 50,000 miles without cleaning!
Bilmey!
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I'd love to see the condition of an untouched air filter after 50,000 miles in a bike. They say you don't have to clean it but if it's filtering the air then it has to be getting more and more blocked as the miles build up so you'd have to be losing performance.
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It says it in the advert!
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must be true then
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Natch!
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I'd love to see the condition of an untouched air filter after 50,000 miles in a bike. They say you don't have to clean it but if it's filtering the :lolair then it has to be getting more and more blocked as the miles build up so you'd have to be losing performance.
If you don't mind waiting for about 49000 miles i'll post a photo, could be a while though?
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I'd love to see the condition of an untouched air filter after 50,000 miles in a bike. They say you don't have to clean it but if it's filtering the :lolair then it has to be getting more and more blocked as the miles build up so you'd have to be losing performance.
If you don't mind waiting for about 49000 miles i'll post a photo, could be a while though?
I'm on the edge of my seat
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I'd love to see the condition of an untouched air filter after 50,000 miles in a bike. They say you don't have to clean it but if it's filtering the :lolair then it has to be getting more and more blocked as the miles build up so you'd have to be losing performance.
If you don't mind waiting for about 49000 miles i'll post a photo, could be a while though?
I'm on the edge of my seat
Bearing in mind i do about 4000 miles a year, in traffic, go and get a nice book, and a supply of tea and sarnies, and i'll give you a heads up when i'm near :lol
If i was that way inclined i could even take a photo every 10,000 miles as a reference, we shall see?
But the ad does actually stress 50,000 to 100,000 miles!
The Mk4 Fazer should be out by then :)
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I'd love to see the condition of an untouched air filter after 50,000 miles in a bike. They say you don't have to clean it but if it's filtering the :lolair then it has to be getting more and more blocked as the miles build up so you'd have to be losing performance.
If you don't mind waiting for about 49000 miles i'll post a photo, could be a while though?
I'm on the edge of my seat
Bearing in mind i do about 4000 miles a year, in traffic, go and get a nice book, and a supply of tea and sarnies, and i'll give you a heads up when i'm near :lol
If i was that way inclined i could even take a photo every 10,000 miles as a reference, we shall see?
But the ad does actually stress 50,000 to 100,000 miles!
The Mk4 Fazer should be out by then :)
well at rate of 4,000 miles per year you've got a maintenance schedule of between twelve and a half years to twenty five years between cleans :lol :lol :lol get your calender out there. have you got a pencil? :lol hang on a second that's eh carry the two, that's sometime between june 2025 to june 2038 :lol we'll be on hover bikes by then, either that or living under the sea :lol
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Don't forget the "million mile guarantee".
I may take it back after 999,990 miles and say "I don't like it!" :lol
(http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/PaulGreer/2010-03-15_155556_2007-03-01_165543_ml_26.jpg)
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I'm thinking of fitting a mico manometer across the filter so I can measure the delta p across the filter media and benchmark it for future study.
Otherwise I'll just buy a new filter every now and again when the old one gets clogged!
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Whilst your on a restricted licence I'd leave the k&N out. If you get stopped or heaven forbid are in an accident and they find out about the air filter being a performance upgrade, your in a world of pain from both the law and the insurance company.
Basically your airfilter could in theory take you over the 33bhp limit, which invalidates your insurance, which means at the roadside your bike gets siezed, you also get 6 points/£200 fine, and taken to court for driving other than in accordance with a licence where another 3 points minimum and another fine. That's your licence gone. Then you have to get someone to insure your bike, pay the £150 recovery cost, and the £15-£20 per day storage costs.
Don't put performance upgrades on a resticted bike, it just ain't worth it!!. Standard filters are just as good for now.
Can't see that happening, the restrictions block off the carb inlets, so blocking the amount of air/fuel mixture that goes into the carbs, changing the filters barely going to change that - just might make it run a fraction leaner in the revs that the restriction allows. BIke could theoretically be siezed at the side of the road, but only reason that's going to happen is if the police a.) know that you should be on a restricted license, and the vast majority don't know about that, and b.) have reason to suspect your bike isn't restricted, which is only going to be the case if you blow past them at somethig like 120mph +
FWIW, I've had K&N's in all my bikes as they usually give a little more power when the jettings altered to suit. Only one I took it back out of was my ZX9R, as it played up with the ram air on it.
I also had a restricted bike which the restrictors fell out of after about 6 months, had a non-fault accident and they didn't even check. Had a bunch of mates do the exact same thing, and nothings ever happened to them either!
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Its theoretical, or worse case scenario what can happen. The cops DO know when your on a restricted licence, it comes up on the DVLA database immediately when they check your licence.
As for power increase, well if you advertise that your bike is 'tuned' such as end can, k&N stickers etc, then they don't need to prove iimmediately that it increases power, but they can sieze your bike anyway as I previously explained.
A beat bobby might not have a clue, but a traffic cop can do this.
As for fitting a filter not improving the power, well the restrictor kit is designed with a standard filter fitted, and then you put a less restricted filter in, it 'could' slightly increase the power. As I said, its just a theory.
And the cops don't always physically inspect a machine after a prang, they mostly do it at a serious or fatal, or where there are other offences to be proved. (such as power upgrades) :rolleyes
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Restriction shouldn't cause any problem with mpg - mine's restricted to 33 bhp and I am getting approximately 64 mpg; mostly motorway riding though.
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Don't underestimate the range just because the lights come on, there's still 40 miles in there.
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I've logged almost every fill-up I've done on my restricted '98 Fazer, my average MPG is 57, so not too bad at all.
However, I do want to take my plugs out and have a look because I suspect she's running rich, on average I fill up about 11L and get around 136 miles out of it......is that good?
Will
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I've got a T reg 600 Fazer and it's not restricted and I only get 130-140 miles to a tank mostly commuting. I get more MPG using decent petrol, on Esso now from Asda own, it's surprising what a difference it makes!
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I'm getting about 40 to 45 but all my riding is commuting in London. A long ride out of London in dual carriageway gets 55mpg :)
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I average 50-52 out of my 600 on a mix of road through my commute. Got 61mpg out of my old fazer 600 riding like a nun, but that's boring!
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I get more MPG using decent petrol, on Esso now from Asda own, it's surprising what a difference it makes!
This is something I've never considered. Is there somewhere you can find out the qualities of the different providers or is all down to location?
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All petrol is from the same refineries and the individual companies (shell, esso,etc) add their own cocktail of additives and detergents.
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And also use unleaded, not super unleaded unless your bike has anti knock sensors
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I used to get 180 miles between fillups (fuel light to fuel light) restricted 33bhp, (K&N, irridium plugs,Micron pipe) now unrestricted i am getting 194 miles to fill up its a 2002 foxeye 600. :)
Mark
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And also use unleaded, not super unleaded unless your bike has anti knock sensors
What?
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This may help :)
Fifth Gear Fuel test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTaBngvsPrc#ws)
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Stupid question but could you be putting the rear brake on while you ride or could the brakes be binding ?
I know nothing about bikes, just guessing.
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Stupid question but could you be putting the rear brake on while you ride or could the brakes be binding ?
You've got a very valid point there. It males a pretty big difference if your carbs are out of balance, and your brakes are binding, and your chains too tight and not lubed, tyres underinflated. They all make a difference to your fuel consumption.
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