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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: comicsans on 06 January 2013, 03:48:55 pm
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Hey guys,
I'm having problems with my fzs600 fazer 98 model. I went out today with a few friends with 600's for the first time (only had the bike a few weeks) and there acceleration and speed where so much better than mine (bandit 600 & 650). I had a go on the 650 and it was miles better acceleration than mine.
Because of the weather it has been the first chance for me to test out the performance properly. I decided to see on the way home how fast I could get out of it and all I could manage was 85mph it would not go any faster :(
I got the bike on eBay !! (I know). It's done 23k miles and I just put new down pipes on it so I know it's not been restricted from the exhaust or anything.
If anyone could help me or point me in the right direction of the cause I would really appreciate it.
Ben
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restrictor kits are fitted to carbs not exhaust ;) could be your problem,ask the previous owner,might be able to help :)
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Got to be restricted :eek
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:agree
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phew i really i hope it is.
i bought it as a ex part exchange and its the first 600 i have been on i was a little disappointed with the power but i didnt know any better because the closest thing i had been on was the ER500.
do you know the sort of money a garage should charge to remove one?
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As long as its not a factory restricted one :'(
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would there be anyway of knowing?
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i have got a restricter on mine, it does about 98 mph, they supplied the parts and paperwork, and fitted it for 250, and thats main dealer price, so to take of , 150 ish.
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just contact the person you bought it off and ask them if it's restricted
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its a shop and i have sent them an email asking, it was a part exchange and they never stated it was restricted so if i have got to pay to take it off i think im well within my rights to ask them to contribute. what do you think?
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seems fair to me. sure you can't lose anything asking. if it's restricted with washers in the carb inlets it's no big deal getting them out. i'd guess they might charge an hours labour if they're going to be w@nkers about it.
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Hi,
If its a genuine Yamaha restriction kit you will need the standard carb needles and throttle springs, but i think they are simple to fit ( got to do mine ) what does it rev up too as mine will just about hit 8000 rpm in top.
Mark
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yeh mines about 7-8000 ish
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sounds like it restricted, where abouts are you, could go for a ride and see if its the same as mine( im heathrow)
Mark
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im in bromley, thinking about it i know for sure i have never seen it go over 8000 revs.
i havent left feedback for the shop i bought it from yet too.
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ask them to contact the last owner as they may have the standard parts, mine came with the bike.
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well if it is restricted, at least you know it hasn't been thrashed in the top end of the rev range!! :lol
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I have mine restricted (stupid license)
It has to be restricted. I can get about 100 out of mine on a good day.
Take them out! :)
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just called the bike shop they called the previous owner and it turns out they did have it restricted!! thanks for all your help guys you where spot on with what the problem was.
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its an easy job to remove them,have a go yourself,plenty of help on here if you get stuck ;)
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just had it removed! what a difference had a smile on my face all day! thanks for your help guys.
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Another happy Fazer rider :lol
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I had a ride of my mates Hornet today. Hornets my dream bike :)
I want one, that is all.
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I had a ride of my mates Hornet today. Hornets my dream bike :)
I want one, that is all.
You can't say that on here, that's blasphemy...... :eek
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I had a ride of my mates Hornet today. Hornets my dream bike :)
I want one, that is all.
You can't say that on here, that's blasphemy...... :eek
If the price is right when he sells it in May, well, bye bye fazer :'(
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I had a ride of my mates Hornet today. Hornets my dream bike :)
I want one, that is all.
Are you for real or what :eek
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I had a ride of my mates Hornet today. Hornets my dream bike :)
I want one, that is all.
Are you for real or what :eek
Deadly serious.
If it wasn't for me rushing into buying a bike so quickly after I sold the ER-5, I would be on a Hornet.
Why what is so bad about them??
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But you've still not ridden a true Fazer in all it's glory yet?
You haven't tweaked, upgraded, done this, done that?
You'd be downgrading, seriously?
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man the unristricted fazer is a beast i tried explaining it to my girlfriend as warp 10 +1 hehe
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man the unristricted fazer is a beast i tried explaining it to my girlfriend as warp 10 +1 hehe
COMICSANS..........could you explain this too XLEWISBDX......hes thinking of getting a hor**t !!!!!......soon get fed up with going s l o w and stopping for fuel ;)
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But you've still not ridden a true Fazer in all it's glory yet?
You haven't tweaked, upgraded, done this, done that?
You'd be downgrading, seriously?
Explain how to Fazer is so much better than the Hornet. Honestly I want to know.
I really want to take my restrictors off! Stupid License!
man the unristricted fazer is a beast i tried explaining it to my girlfriend as warp 10 +1 hehe
COMICSANS..........could you explain this too XLEWISBDX......hes thinking of getting a hor**t !!!!!......soon get fed up with going s l o w and stopping for fuel ;)
Fuel would be an issue. They do silly amounts of MPG
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But you've still not ridden a true Fazer in all it's glory yet?
You haven't tweaked, upgraded, done this, done that?
You'd be downgrading, seriously?
Explain how to Fazer is so much better than the Hornet. Honestly I want to know.
I really want to take my restrictors off! Stupid License!
man the unristricted fazer is a beast i tried explaining it to my girlfriend as warp 10 +1 hehe
COMICSANS..........could you explain this too XLEWISBDX......hes thinking of getting a hor**t !!!!!......soon get fed up with going s l o w and stopping for fuel ;)
Fuel would be an issue. They do silly amounts of MPG
small tank and slower........between the three budget bikes....hornet.bandit and fazer,the fazer comes out on top every time ;)
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I know my Fazer will leave a bandit off the line and wave bye bye, but I have never raced a hornet on full power.
The only one I have raced is my mates. He has gone up 3t on the rear and down 1t on the front, so that will obviously be quicker. :)
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/community/Forums/Categories/Topic/?topic-id=417143 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/community/Forums/Categories/Topic/?topic-id=417143)
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i have to say before i had the restrictor removed yesterday morning i was really disapointed with the post... after! wow completly different bike i actually couldnt believe it! trust me once the 2 years are up and you can do it you will see. I was leaving my mate on his bandit 650 for dust! lol
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i have to say before i had the restrictor removed yesterday morning i was really disapointed with the post... after! wow completly different bike i actually couldnt believe it! trust me once the 2 years are up and you can do it you will see. I was leaving my mate on his bandit 650 for dust! lol
:D :D :D :D grin factor 10 :D :D :D :D
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lol for some reason i just put disapointed with the post :rolleyes i meant to write power lol
must be all that power jiggling my brain about :lol
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lol for some reason i just put disapointed with the post :rolleyes i meant to write power lol
must be all that power jiggling my brain about :lol
You could always edit your last power.....sorry, i meant post :lol
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lol i know but it had already quoted it with the wrong spelling by the time i realised :rollin
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oh yes...the fazer has lots of useable posts.......clock up a few miles and then update your power :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I've had a hornet, bought new in 99. With the 16 inch front wheel, more flickable than the fazer, don't know what newer ones with 17 inch wheel are like, but also more twitchy, doesn't take much to get a dangerous weave going when your giving it some around the bends, could never figure out if it was the tiny alloy frame flexing or the suspension, a tiny bit quicker of the mark than a fazer, and I mean tiny, rubbish tank range, most I had was 95 miles, worst 52 miles, top speed about 130.
Now fazer, I've got the fox eye model, comfiest due to the fairing, more stable and harder to upset in bends, closer to 150 top end, and the brakes are much better than the hornet,
It depends what you want out of a bike, the fazer is more user friendly, better for distance, the hornet made me more of a hooligan, not that I need much encouragement :evil [size=78%] and hornets don't crash very well [/size] :'(
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rubbish tank range, most I had was 95 miles, worst 52 miles :'(
:eek That's awful! Best I've had out my the Fazer is around 240 when the light came on. Under 120 would drive me loopy as that's my commute :D
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lol is this pick on the new fazer rider day!
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lol is this pick on the new fazer rider day!
No, we're just pointing out a few things to Lewis and suggesting he should persevere with the Fazer.
All good things come to those who wait.... :)
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iv been riding bikes 24 years now and the fazer is the best all round bike and grin factor iv ever rode its great for the ride to work and back with good fuel econamy and comfort etc and a blast for the summer(wen its here!) for more speed etc,it does everything i need it to do but a restricted one will of course be slower and maybe less fun in some ways but in my opinion the restriction on your(and others)licence is there for good reason as you are learn to ride a bike(and you will keep on learn your life) i sadly lost a friend when he was 18 mainly due to him jumping from a 125 to a 750 and the speed was too much for him and he lost it,i worked up in small stages and im glad i did as these bikes are bloody fun but can be bloody dangerous to newish(and not so newish )riders
id say bide your time with your restrictors and then after you got a couple of years of learn to ride remove restrictors and see how great the fazer is in full power mode,if your a speed freak id sugest go get yourself booked in on a race day at a track as much safer tan been on the road!
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I had a ride of my mates Hornet today. Hornets my dream bike :)
I want one, that is all.
and a not so happy Fazer rider :'(
Aspiring to a lower model of motorcycle :rollin
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I had a ride of my mates Hornet today. Hornets my dream bike :)
I want one, that is all.
and a not so happy Fazer rider :'(
Aspiring to a lower model of motorcycle :rollin
My bike is a 1998 his is a 2006
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if you've got ages to go on your restriction get a 250. you're stuck at 33hp so all you can do to improve things is get a lighter bike. plus smaller capacity bikes give you a much greater sensation of speed than larger capacity bikes. doing 60mph on a 250 feels like 100mph on a big bike
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The best review I found of these bikes was in ride magazine, I have it somewhere was a great read. Whilst I'm new to this forum and have only been on an unrestricted licence for a few months myself, I have been riding for 4 years and am lucky enough to have "test ridden" a few mates full power bikes. For me personally, I am extremely pleased that I settled for the Fazer because as a bike it is the best all round package, is comfortable, really is fun to ride and inspires me with confidence. On my budget it was a choice of Fazer, Hornet, SV and dare I say it....bandit.
Hornet from the off was an instant no, I just really didn't feel comfortable on it and thought it was too small (I am 6 foot 4). It is a good little bike no doubt, I agree with the hooligan comment, it is light and powerful but that isn't really my style and I would buy a supermoto for that, plus having a mate crash his at 110mph from a random tank slapper was a big eye opener. :eek
My dad has an SV, I have ridden it on a few occasions and it is great fun, probably more so than mine in certain situations. Sounds lovely, handles and pulls well but fells a bit weezy the faster you go. His looks great but some look a bit strange in my personal opinion, doesn't feel as well built to me as the Fazer either but would be my 2nd choice.
Not as of yet ridden a bandit but a lot of my friends had them and they all put me off unfortunately. As bikes they all feel very heavy and bulky, plus all my mates crashed theirs for various dodgy reasons, mostly riding like idiots so probably unfair to attribute that directly to the bike. One of my mates does have a nice one though which he bought in May and is the mark 2 faired version, he has never been on a Fazer so we're going to have a little test of each others soon once I weld my down pipes up next week so that I can say I have tried them all. I like his bandit but doubt I would ever own one. Another mates GSX 1400 that he kindly let me try on the other hand! Pwhoar..... ;)
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I'm having more fun on my Fazer than what I did on my ZX-6, probably because I'm not inclined to go everywhere at warp factor 10 and also it's sweet handling.
Now the ZX-6 was a great handling tool but it always wanted more! In the end I thought Foc that, I was going round corners and roundabouts at insane speeds and still never found the limit on public roads.
I chose life!
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I had a ride of my mates Hornet today. Hornets my dream bike :)
I want one, that is all.
and a not so happy Fazer rider :'(
Aspiring to a lower model of motorcycle :rollin
My bike is a 1998 his is a 2006
Your point is ??? :)
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It's shiney! And newerererer!
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i had mine restricted havn't herd of the factory restricted ones i took mine out myself i got 110 when they was in that was with head down 33bhp to 95bhp is a big difference when i took them out i couldnt stop smiling, every1 told me to respect the bike and im glad they did.
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It's shiney! And newerererer!
Elbow grease is what you need......
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It's shiney! And newerererer!
So you want to upgrade to a shiner newer but lesser bike :eek
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Just buy some polish. Or stop worrying about how it looks and just ride it :lol
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I had a ride of my mates Hornet today. Hornets my dream bike :)
I want one, that is all.
You can't say that on here, that's blasphemy...... :eek
Once you have the Fazer de-restricted im more than sure it will give the hornet a run for its money... I opted for a fazer over the hornet due to the fazer been so much better in acceleration and handling.... every one to their own I guess..... :lol
If the price is right when he sells it in May, well, bye bye fazer :'(
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I had a MK 1 Fazer that I did 30,000 in 3 years on.Loved it but wanted a change so chopped it in for a Honda 600F4. Hornet was a lovely bike but you had to thrash it to get anywhere quickly,however once it was "wound up" it was great fun and very,very quick around the twisties.Let the revs drop though and and you'd have to frantically knock it down a couple of gears.It was pretty much like riding a 2 stroke,a lot "sportier" than the Fazer but in reality no quicker as the Yamaha had vastly superior low and mid-range grunt.Also thrashing a Hornet trashed the fuel consumption and I once had the fuel light come on 80 miles from a full tank when it was more like 100 in more normal use,still pretty pathetic compared to 180 miles I used to do on my Fazer between fill ups.
Had the Hornet for 3 years as well but to be honest there wasn't much it did that the Fazer didn't do better.It looked a lot nicer and was brilliant around town or for blasting along B roads if you could afford to keep it in petrol but the Fazer was a lot more practical,I'd go anywhere on the Yam,I used to avoid Dual Carriageways on my Hornet,let alone motorways,as it was a pain going up and down through the gearbox all the time and the complete lack of wind protection was a real pain as well.I'd go for the Fazer over a 600 Hornet any day.
I currently ride a 900 Hornet,both previous owners are mates of mine so I've ridden the bike since it was new and can directly compare it to my old Fazer.Well the bikes perform very similarly and the 9 is a lot easier to live with than the 600 Hornet but in all honesty the only way it's significantly better than the old Fazer is with the build quality,over 30,000 miles in all weather,never been garaged and it still runs like new and polishes up like new,my old Fazer wasn't bad but not made to the same standard.600 Hornets after the F3 are made in Italy and whatever Honda will try to tell you about superior build quality I'd say Yamaha are now better with Kawasaki and Honda just above Suzuki.My F4 was a rotbox and I don't neglect my bikes.