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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: alexanderfitu on 29 December 2012, 12:16:28 am
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Hi all
Im still getting used to my 2001 fazer, but gear changes from 1st to 2nd are clunky and occasionally crunch and doesnt engage 2nd properly.
I am pulling the clutch in all the way. My question is if this is normal, I have heard they are clunky, and if it is then im happy :) Keep in mind it doesnt jump out of any gears, just fails to engage 2nd sometimes.
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Mine gear box is very clunky. My bike loves neutral when I am pulling away, as soon as I stop it hates it :)
Also the clunky-ness of my gearbox depends on how high I am changing gear. So If I change at 3-4k it OK Anything higher than 5k and then it becomes clunky.
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Hmm yeah that is pretty much the same as my experience.
Except for neutral, neutral is easy for me to find when not moving, compared to my honda gearboxes! :)
I suppose I should get used to it.
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Unfortunately, yes.. it is the Fazer's Achilles heel.
Something in the gearbox wasn't made quite right... whether it is the shift shaft, the selector drum profile, the selector fork or the gear itself is a mystery to me. By the time the situation gets bad enough to justify splitting the cases to examine the problem, everything has been worn by the gear getting spat out of engagement.
So long as it's only an occasional missed gear then practice and care should make it an increasingly rare event. First to second is the biggest jump in ratios in the box and it all happens much faster so it's the easiest change to cock up.
Getting the position of the gear lever right for you can make a big difference, you may find adjusting it down a couple of millimeters helps, and remember a change of footwear will probably require a re-adjustment to the lever.
Some have found fitting new springs on the shift shaft can improve things: and at least that can be done with the engine in-situ.
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The clunky gear change is part of the bikes character, but that's not saying your clutch might need adjusting, or the cable is on the way out.
Try adjusting it for starters, and if it's no better, buy an original YAMAHA clutch cable, don't buy any old copy, they're nowhere near as good.
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Every FZS600 that I have owned (a lot) has had a clunky box. Heavy duty clutch springs help a lot as does regular oil changes with quality oil. So long as it doesnt engage 2nd and then jump it's perfectly normal.... If it does engage and then jumps it points to a selector drum/fork issue.
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Sounds normal to me. The best thing i did was to concentrate on my gear changes for a couple of long rides.
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I may have a worn clutch cable as its taking me a while to get used to the clutch, I think its part of getting used to gearbox as previously mentioned. I will check the clutch cable and the lever position, thanks all.
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It would also help if you removed the sprocket cover and cleaned the chain lube/road gunk out of the clutch push mechanism. I use brake cleaner for this and then once clean relube with a good quality spray grease.... This will make a big difference to the clutch.
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Thats a good idea. I had the cover off recently to check the sprocket nut, so will give it a clean and re-lube.
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Sounds normal for Yamaha, at least with the models i've owned over the years.
Just short shift when going from 1st to 2nd then you can pile it on thereafter.
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my bike is the same, it sounds like a shotgun loading.
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my bike is the same, it sounds like a shotgun loading.
That's a good description of what mine sounds like. With practice and care it gets a bit better, but into first at standstill is always a clunk.
If it's like a shotgun "going off" :eek it needs sorting!
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Funnily Enough when I first rode my bike, I thought, this gear change sounds very rifle like! :) As I am riding the bike I am getting more and more used to it.
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Hi,
My 99 FZS600 is exactly the same. 1st to 2nd at anything above 5k sounds like my wife engaging reverse gear!! It's normal for these apparently, the gearbox is just a bit rough unfortunately on these. I did oil change, clutch cable change, clean out the cable to pushrod actuator, reset and tension all to correct settings and it still does it! As the other guy said, short shift 1st to 2nd every time then give it some beans from then on!!!
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I gave up with trying to change it. Like you said its a characteristic of the bike. 1-2 nd at low revs and then rev out
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Dare i suggest it.........try Activ8
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Dare i suggest it.........try Activ8
No, you may not. Haha, never miss an opportunity with that stuff do you Darrsi :lol You must be on commision :rollin
Either that or you think it really does make a difference. I've never tried it so can't comment.
Chris
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Dare i suggest it.........try Activ8
No, you may not. Haha, never miss an opportunity with that stuff do you Darrsi :lol You must be on commision :rollin
Either that or you think it really does make a difference. I've never tried it so can't comment.
Chris
Well let's just put it bluntly.......i have a smooth gear change on my bike :D
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:lol
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Dare i suggest it.........try Activ8
No, you may not. Haha, never miss an opportunity with that stuff do you Darrsi :lol You must be on commision :rollin
Either that or you think it really does make a difference. I've never tried it so can't comment.
Chris
I tried it,plus i adjusted the foot lever,plus i never try to change gear quickly or at high revs from 1st to 2nd.
All of the above worked wonders
I is chuffed 8)
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I forgot you tried it Noggy, i'm glad you feel it worked 'cos i'm still convinced it works brilliantly.
I've not heard a bad review of it yet by someone that's actually given it a trial.
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I forgot you tried it Noggy, i'm glad you feel it worked 'cos i'm still convinced it works brilliantly.
I've not heard a bad review of it yet by someone that's actually given it a trial.
Thers defo more smotheness on my bikes gear change since sticking it in,& its not jus coz ive changed the oil coz the old oil was basically still brand new when it came out.i did stick some in my car & i was convinced it workedthere to but to be honest i cant feel it any more coz im positive ive got a problem that i cant prove so its totally fikd up my darsi8 experiment...the bike is running sweet though 8)
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Dare i suggest it.........try Activ8
No, you may not. Haha, never miss an opportunity with that stuff do you Darrsi :lol You must be on commision :rollin
Either that or you think it really does make a difference. I've never tried it so can't comment.
Chris
Dont worry about chris....he's just bitter coz he doesnt have a bike yet...he's maintained it so much it died
All he needs is a bit o darsi 8 & some blue hoses & bobs yur uncle he'll be back with a vengance!!! ;)
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Hahaha! Wish I had time to work on it to get it finished!! Hate not having my own garage to work in!
If I find my gear changes clunky then I'll give the active8 stuff a try but anything is better than the terrible gearbox that honda put in the cbr125 I learned on. Essentially a gearbox from a motox bike so it would take a lot of beating but you really had to be quite forecfull with it... It was made to be stamped on but not for smoothness...
Chris
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After the few comments yesterday i rode home from work and in contrast to what people are saying on here my gear changing from 1st to 2nd was seamless and very smooth, as in virtually all of the gears.
The only time it clunks is neutral to 1st, but even that's not as bad as it used to be. :D
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It would also help if you removed the sprocket cover and cleaned the chain lube/road gunk out of the clutch push mechanism. I use brake cleaner for this and then once clean relube with a good quality spray grease.... This will make a big difference to the clutch.
As i doubt the previous owner gave it much tlc i thought i'd do this today, oh my!!!!, i wish i'd taken a piccie, it was FULL of old chain oil/grit etc, so currently cleaning/relubeing now.
One question in all the gunk i found a 1 1/2" cylindrical white nylon bush, i'm guessing this is mean to go onto the gear selector rod? (pretty sure it was just floating in the gunk)
EDIT, Found some pictures and it does.
Next door is a childminder so will have to wait untillthe school run to see if its any different now (i'm sure the power/weight ratio will have improved!!)
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Feels better 1-2, although to be fair it never felt that bad. Now i've got the selector too high, is there an 'official' way of refitting, or just a trial and error job?
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think it's a bit of trial and error to be honest.
Chris
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line up the punch mark on the end of the shaft with the slot in the gear change arm
Then use the rod adjuster to set it where you want it
Simples
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Cheers gassitt, i took a 10mm spanner out with me for a small ride and kinda winged it, feels ok, but will look in the morning to get it right. :)
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If the lever's a bit high, you need to get a pair of these.......
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They look great and i would ask where you bought yours from but i'd worry if they came undone i'd get the laces in the chain.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
Where can I get a pair of those beauts??
Chris