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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: stevierst on 24 December 2012, 04:59:50 pm
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Does anyone out there use Osram Nightbreaker plus bulbs in their FZ1/FZS?
Just asking to see if they're worth buying as I do quite a bit of night riding. These standard headlights are a bit weak :rolleyes
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if you do decide to get them keep an eye on amazon prices, often the cheapest around £10-£12.
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I always forget yo look on amazon, thanks for reminding me dickturpin ;)
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got these for my gen1. they are much better than standard bulbs fo minimum cash outlay..not sure if this particular bulb will fit ur bike but this is what u want to be aiming at for this sort of spend.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FAZER-SPORT-H7-xenon-HID-headlight-bulbs-501-/350645772973?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item51a41de2ad (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FAZER-SPORT-H7-xenon-HID-headlight-bulbs-501-/350645772973?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item51a41de2ad)
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I'm going to get some, think we need H4s for the bike as they are dip and main in the same bulb.
I have recently put some in my car - a 2002 Passat, massive difference, well worth the money over winter!
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we have 2005 passat lol.same car and bike. bulbs e brilly for silly money.
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Got a pair of nightbreakers on order for £10.75 off Amazon. Ill let you know how they perform :D
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we have 2005 passat lol.same car and bike. bulbs e brilly for silly money.
Ha ha yeah, once i'd emery clothed the shit off the surface of the plastic lenses these made a massive difference in the car. I must admit, I had replaced one of the bulbs with a poundland special when I got caught short in the summer.
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Hi, I have nightbreaker + in my foxeye 600 and they are a masive improvment on the standard lamps fitted, also fitted led side lamps as well, i now get seen by dosy london drivers :D
Mark
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Nightbreaker +90% in my gen1. Bloody brilliant.
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Nightbreaker plus for me too in the Gen 1. Definate improvement over standard.
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00440CWDK/ref=nosim/?tag=hotukdeals-21 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00440CWDK/ref=nosim/?tag=hotukdeals-21)
Anyone tried these
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i use the philips 100% brighter but the white not the blue. huge improvement over OE but thats not saying much when you think how old the oe bulbs will be by now :P
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I have the philips xtreme bulbs in the car for my high beam. the dipped beam on my car is HID as standard so normal bulbs on high beam were useless. the philips are good. fitted them about 4 years ago now and they are still working great and very bright. They were around the £25 mark or H7 bulbs though..
as for the bike ive got some xenon bulbs made by brookstone (unipart) I found them in TK MAX of all places for £3.99 :lol
http://www.cnfoutdoors.co.uk/brookstone-2-piece-xenon-headlight-bulb-h4 (http://www.cnfoutdoors.co.uk/brookstone-2-piece-xenon-headlight-bulb-h4)
For that price they are really good and cheaper than standard bulbs from halfords etc.
Can take a picture if anyone is interested.
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Don't they give a funny coloured light out?
I inherited something similar in a Triumph Daytona, nice orangey-blue light from the front but scary to ride behind!
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Just tried out the nightbreakers tonight on the way home from work in the fog. All Ican say is, what a result! Wider, more solid beam, and nearly twice the visible distance.
Damn good value for money if you ask me. I can now ride safer at night where I do about 1/3 of my riding 8)
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At last a clear night! Took the bike on the twisties after work, and the lights are amazing. I can actually see all the way round certain bends, and I put another 5mph on my favourite bend in The dark as I could actually see!
I'm putting these as probably my best performance/£ product if your a night rider.
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Considering these, either Osrams or Philips. Just out of curiosity, I noticed on Osram pages that the manufacturer promises a much longer lifetime for regular H4 bulbs vs. Night breaker plus. Anyone noticed an increased need to change bulbs?
http://www.osram.com/osram_com/products/lamps/automotive-lamps/automotive-motorcycles/halogen-headlight-lamps-for-motorcycles/night-racer-plus/index.jsp (http://www.osram.com/osram_com/products/lamps/automotive-lamps/automotive-motorcycles/halogen-headlight-lamps-for-motorcycles/night-racer-plus/index.jsp)
80/260 hrs
Regular ones:
http://www.osram.com/osram_com/products/lamps/automotive-lamps/automotive-motorcycles/halogen-headlight-lamps-for-motorcycles/osram-original-line/index.jsp (http://www.osram.com/osram_com/products/lamps/automotive-lamps/automotive-motorcycles/halogen-headlight-lamps-for-motorcycles/osram-original-line/index.jsp)
250 / 400 hrs
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Have Philips H4 both my car and the bike, the brightest version I could get at the time.
Fitted em to the bike in 2004 and to the car in 2005. I've had one fail in the car so far. Can't complain.
Worth fitting, brighter and better beam pattern.
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For very little extra you can go full HIDs. The difference is absolutly stunning.
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For very little extra you can go full HIDs. The difference is absolutly stunning.
And also illegal and dangerous.
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are the nightbreakers a straight replacement for the standard or do they require a relay?
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No relay required as they are standard rating of 55/60w bulbs.
On the HID topic, there is no denying that they are good but as noted they are illegal and dangerous on the road. They do tend to dazzle oncoming traffic in my experience.
Personally I am too lazy to swap back to standard for MOT time. :lol
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They do tend to dazzle oncoming traffic in my experience.
Personally I am too lazy to swap back to standard for MOT time. :lol
That wasn't my experience. I eventually switched to nightbreakers because I was also too lazy to swap for MOT. Got flashed far more often with the nightbreakers than I ever did with HIDs.
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For very little extra you can go full HIDs. The difference is absolutly stunning.
And also illegal and dangerous.
Bollocks! There is nothing illegal or dangerous about HIDs.
You will not fail an MOT for having HIDS, you will fail for having badly adjusted lights because badly adjusted lights are dangerous.
Fitting HIDS greatly increases the quantity AND the quality of light you are putting out. The makes it much easier for other road users to see you, and much harder for them to ignore you, particularly in daytime and dusk conditions. That alone significantly improves your safety.
The improved quantity and quality of light makes it much easier for you to see in dusk and dark conditions, that significantly improves your safety, and that of other road users such as cyclists and pedestrians. (Dayglo and reflective materials are visible up to three times further away!)
If you are getting flashed, it is because your headlights are not adjusted correctly. Regardless of whether they are regular, improved, or HID bulbs, if they are not adjusted correctly then they are not pointing in the right direction and that makes it harder for you to see, and for others to see you.
Fitting HID bulbs has been the single greatest improvement to safety I have ever made to any bike I have ever owned, but you don't have to believe me. Get a cheap and nasty chinese kit and try them for yourself. You could fit them in an hour and if you don't like them, you can completely remove them in half that. I recommend 5000K colour temperature as being sunlight white. 6000K and higher has an increasingly blue tint which apeals to the kiddies in modded cars but doesn't actually help you see better. The best bulbs for the Fazer are H4-3 as this means you keep normal full beam function.
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For very little extra you can go full HIDs. The difference is absolutly stunning.
And also illegal and dangerous.
Bollocks! There is nothing illegal or dangerous about HIDs.
You will not fail an MOT for having HIDS, you will fail for having badly adjusted lights because badly adjusted lights are dangerous.
Fitting HIDS greatly increases the quantity AND the quality of light you are putting out. The makes it much easier for other road users to see you, and much harder for them to ignore you, particularly in daytime and dusk conditions. That alone significantly improves your safety.
The improved quantity and quality of light makes it much easier for you to see in dusk and dark conditions, that significantly improves your safety, and that of other road users such as cyclists and pedestrians. (Dayglo and reflective materials are visible up to three times further away!)
If you are getting flashed, it is because your headlights are not adjusted correctly. Regardless of whether they are regular, improved, or HID bulbs, if they are not adjusted correctly then they are not pointing in the right direction and that makes it harder for you to see, and for others to see you.
Fitting HID bulbs has been the single greatest improvement to safety I have ever made to any bike I have ever owned, but you don't have to believe me. Get a cheap and nasty chinese kit and try them for yourself. You could fit them in an hour and if you don't like them, you can completely remove them in half that. I recommend 5000K colour temperature as being sunlight white. 6000K and higher has an increasingly blue tint which apeals to the kiddies in modded cars but doesn't actually help you see better. The best bulbs for the Fazer are H4-3 as this means you keep normal full beam function.
No mate, they are actually illegal for motorcycles. Vehicles that don't have a self levelling headlight system on them aren't allowed to have HIDs fitted, to stop them from blinding oncoming traffic users. Although there are a couple of bikes that do have this (the BMW K1600 is one such bike), 99.9% of bikes don't have them, and as such it's illegal to fit HID kits to them. The other big issue is that HID bulbs use a different focusing system to traditional bulbs, and as such bikes that don't have HIDs as standard put out a lot more light, but it's a lot less focused as the bulbs don't work properly with the normal bulb based reflectors.
I'm not denying that they put out a lot of light, but IMO are dangerous for vehicles that shouldn't have them - you're a lot better off IMO getting a decent set of bulbs, they won't put out quite as much light, but are still a hell of a lot better than stock, the light is more focused and won't dazzle oncoming road users at night if adjuster correctly, and also won't fail an MOT if a diligent MOT tester checks your lights properly and the aim is right, as most won't pass a HID kit on a bike, and quite rightly!
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Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system.
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_170.htm (http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_170.htm)
Saying that I have them in my land rover and they went through the mot with neither.
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No mate, they are actually illegal for motorcycles. Vehicles that don't have a self levelling headlight system on them aren't allowed to have HIDs fitted, to stop them from blinding oncoming traffic users. Although there are a couple of bikes that do have this (the BMW K1600 is one such bike), 99.9% of bikes don't have them, and as such it's illegal to fit HID kits to them. The other big issue is that HID bulbs use a different focusing system to traditional bulbs, and as such bikes that don't have HIDs as standard put out a lot more light, but it's a lot less focused as the bulbs don't work properly with the normal bulb based reflectors.
I'm not denying that they put out a lot of light, but IMO are dangerous for vehicles that shouldn't have them - you're a lot better off IMO getting a decent set of bulbs, they won't put out quite as much light, but are still a hell of a lot better than stock, the light is more focused and won't dazzle oncoming road users at night if adjuster correctly, and also won't fail an MOT if a diligent MOT tester checks your lights properly and the aim is right, as most won't pass a HID kit on a bike, and quite rightly!
Old wives tales that get repeated ad nauseum. That is the sort of bulshit usually spouted by some twat in a pub who had a Norton in his twenties.
Lets take your second point first. "HID bulbs use a different focusing system". What the fuck is that supposed to mean? There is a point on the bulb that is the source of the light. On a traditional bulb, it is the coil, on a HID it is the gap between the contacts, but the point is in the same place in relation to the mounting. That means the source of light is in the same place. Your reflector doesn't care how the bulb is made, only where the source of light is. If you were trying to fit a H3 bulb in a H4 reflector, you might have a point, but that is simply not the case.
Self leveling mechanism? You mean suspension? My bike has one of them, doesn't yours? Do you have a serious problem blinding other road users with your existing lights? Why do you think these would be any different.