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General => General => Topic started by: Phil TK on 28 October 2012, 12:03:59 am
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Hot from the presses in the Vatican. In reply to the proposed demotion of J. Saville from his papal knighthood.
"As there does not exist any permanent official list of persons who have received papal honours in the past, it is not possible to strike anyone off a list that does not exist.
"The names of recipients of papal honours do not appear in the Pontifical Year Book and the honour expires with the death of the individual.
Roughly translated:- ''We've decided to cop out from moral guidence and responsibility and we are shite at setting an example''.
We are lectured non-stop that christianity is the bedrock of social morality. Pray, where is the commandment that we protect our children?
If you pass a church tomorrow morning, spit on a christian for me.
Cheers.
:evil
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Relax mate. Enjoy a couple of spiritual videos
pastor mortal kombat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOJtqbT8X-M#ws)
Jesus - The Revenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFx7WFVP1FI#ws)
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@PhilTK
Err, this is the Vatican you're talking about. Do you *really* expect anything different from them given their past performance in similar matters...???
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I thought the pope was catholic?
He's dead, what's the point in undoing anything? It's hardly protecting him, he's not going to hurt anyone now is he?
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He's dead, what's the point in undoing anything? It's hardly protecting him, he's not going to hurt anyone now is he?
It might demonstrate the catholic church is moving away from a position of tacit approval of child abuse.
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If you pass a church tomorrow morning, spit on a christian for me.
What?
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If you pass a church tomorrow morning, spit on a christian for me.
What?
Yes, probably over the top. I actually wouldn't do that. Metaphorically speaking though they've been gobbing on unbelievers for centuries and in practise have done a lot worse than that of course.
I wish christians would boycott church services for a month or something to register dissaproval of the churches handling of the scandal. They just don't do anything in response or show contritian.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20108980 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20108980)
The Catholic Church in England and Wales confirmed it has written to the Holy See to ask if the honour can be posthumously removed. ...
There is no established process to remove a papal knighthood posthumously because the honour dies with the recipient.
Seems simple enougth to me.
I actually wouldn't do that.
Don't ask others to do what you would not do yourself then. You are asking people to randomly assult church goers? And for what?
I wish christians would boycott church services for a month
You mean the Catholic church?
Speaking to BBC News, the Vatican's official spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said the Holy See "firmly condemns the horrible crimes of sexual abuse of minors," adding it considered the Savile revelations as "very grave".
"It is deeply saddened that a person who has been soiled in this way could in his lifetime have been proposed for an honour by the Holy See, which in the light of recent information should certainly not have been bestowed."
Seems reasonable to me.
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Don't ask others to do what you would not do yourself then. You are asking people to randomly assult church goers?
I can say what I damn well like, some I'm sure would say that's unfortunate but the same applies to yourself without a doubt.. Take such a suggestion seriously if you want to but I said it in the confidence that no foccer is going to actually go out and do that just because I said so.
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If you pass a church tomorrow morning, spit on a christian for me.
Foccing ass hole.
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I dont understand just how spitting on a christian will do anything other than make a fool/ criminal of the person doing it. Just what is the world coming to ? The whole JS episode is feck all to do with mr average churchgoer. Besides how would spitting on an anglican affect the pope ????
have to say this is the most ridiculous obnoxious outburst I think I have ever heard on here.I think you should really take a step back and examine yourself for rationality.
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have to say this is the most ridiculous obnoxious outburst I think I have ever heard on here.I think you should really take a step back and examine yourself for rationality.
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have to say this is the most ridiculous obnoxious outburst I think I have ever heard on here.I think you should really take a step back and examine yourself for rationality.
I already have Pitt and confessed it was over the top. Thanks for that. I'll darken this forum no more.
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the problem is that the general public equate the catholic church with christianity which couldnt be further from the truth. catholic bloody mary was burning christians many moons ago. genuine "born-again" christians should live by the example of jesus as described in the bible. belief in the person of jesus christ is the main thing; someone who claims to be a christian by being good etc, but has no concept of jesus in their lives are just plain religious. i still ride like an idiot though!!!
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What Caretaker said.
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Im selectively religious, like around christmas time......when i want stuff!
Plus u cant beat the taste of a good easter egg, thin chocolate's the dogs bollocks mmmmmm!!!!!
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have to say this is the most ridiculous obnoxious outburst I think I have ever heard on here.I think you should really take a step back and examine yourself for rationality.
I already have Pitt and confessed it was over the top. Thanks for that. I'll darken this forum no more.
That's a bit over the top aint it?
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You can't beat a good over-reaction!
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Phil TK,
Why not make use of the newly instated edit feature. Edit or delete the offending posts, as they are unreasonable and rather offensive, state you have done so, apologize for any offence caused - and be done with it.
No need to go off in a huff.
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Yes, I always find calling someone an arsehole before offering them advice works out well. :lol
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Yes, I always find calling someone an arsehole before offering them advice works out well. ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url])
It was foccing ass hole actually :D OK, fair point.
I did point out how nasty and well, silly, Phil's comments were, but he didn't want to back down.
Pitternator seemed to get through though. I'm happy with that, no need for huffs - is there?
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He's dead, what's the point in undoing anything? It's hardly protecting him, he's not going to hurt anyone now is he?
True but investigating may help bring some people to justice that allowed it to go on by not doing anything about it and maybe some who participated and are still alive.
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slightly off topic comment here, but as a baptised anglican ( the professed religion of england), there is nothing in anything I have been taught in life which endorses paedophilia. Born again christians are a more " fanatical" wing of christianity , but essentially its the same thing.Belief in God, Jesus, all the teachings of the Bible. I have been baptised, born agains claim to have had the spirit reborn in them. Its a personal religious experience for sure, but we all have had something similar hence why we believe as such.At the heart of our religion is deep belief in rightand wrong , and paedophilia is a definite wrong...
Not being a catholic ( or ever wanting to be) means I dont feel able to comment on their claim to the "title". Maybe life long chastity and not being married helps a bit to make some priests feel the need to abuse children ? I dunno, but its rare to hear similar allegations against anglicans.But at the heart of practising catholics is the family unit ...
Hence why to me spitting on ,or reviling christians is so absurd in this context.
But we all say things we shouldnt , and in the true spirit of christian forgiveness, Phil has admitted it wasnt the best thing to do, so I say forgive and forget.
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Although the media would have you believe otherwise......has anything actually been proven yet. I expect if he was alive there'd be so many court orders in place you wouldn't hear half of what's being alleged.
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its like being back at school! :rolleyes
im an Atheist so I'll spit on whoever I like! (thats a joke by the way ;) )
justy1000
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you can spit on me, but dont ever, ever spit on my bike!!
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cant promise that mr caretaker.
not a very good shot when it comes to spitting! :lol
justy1000
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Justy, life is like being at school ....as an adult I have witnessed some extraordinary moments of sheer childishness from other adults. :\
forums can be worse, as written word often dont express what you really feel, and its so easy to snipe at people from the peace and safety of ones keyboard....
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Justy, life is like being at school ....as an adult I have witnessed some extraordinary moments of sheer childishness from other adults. :\
forums can be worse, as written word often dont express what you really feel, and its so easy to snipe at people from the peace and safety of ones keyboard....
total agree..... hence why i take the piss! :b
im off to the naughty corner :rolleyes
justy1000
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This post came up for moderation - but like most posts you seem to all be sorting it out
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This post came up for moderation - but like most posts you seem to all be sorting it out
How very grown-up of everyone.
Now, who can we get in to lower the bar? Answers on a postcard :rollin
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that'l be me then. i'm a milwall fan.
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Can you come to Leeds and spit on some leeds fans?! (joking obviously!)
I'm a red, living in a sea of white and blue!
Plus you could stop off in Roundhey at Jimmys old place, kill two birds with one stone, so to speak!
On the religion thing, there are bad people everywhere, in all walks of life, the catholic church is weighed down with hundreds of years of stupid tradition that has moved it away from what Peter intended the Church to be, we can't expect it to have any commonality with how the majority Atheist population of the modern world believe things should be handled. THey don't do a bad job considering their size and how many political cards they must have to regularly play and people to keep happy and I was raised a baptist for 17 years with a strong sense of discomfort in relation to the catholic church!
Its just sad that no-one had the bottle to stand up and say what we all thought, he's a creep. a weirdo and must be doing something wrong with someone, in my opinion its the worst kept secret ever.
Kinda like when Freddy Mercury came out (that was nowhere near as bad, not bad at all in fact, just merely drawing a similarity to the obviousness of the proclamation!)
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well I saw on the news that the lawyers have put a charge on saviles bank accounts,who do you think will get the most money out of this the victims or the lawyers?
The victim who was on the telly program who said she had to give jimmy a blow job if she wanted to meet the stars, in my opinion should get the going rate for a blow job, sorry I don't know how much that is, think £25 to £50 should cover it. as it was her choice, but savile should have gone to jail as he was a paedophile.
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Folks : I bring good news !!! .... There is no God! *
Now get used to that fact .... and get on with your lives!
*Seriously ...
- No God has done anything for the last 15 billion years - the chances of you incurring his wrath in your lifetime are slight.
- No God was necessary to create the illusion of the "big bang". Its a stretchy,"time dilation" thing.
- Study quantum mechanics, relativity and statistics. Then sit down and think about it for a bit.
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quantum mechanics, relativity and statistics? i think i'll stick to christianity. and bikes. and guinness!
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wow, this is a great example of people overeacting about a silly comment about spitting. Get a life.
Here are my thoughts
1) Its pretty certain that jimmy savile did all these vile acts, there are too many people with the same story and lets be honest he was really odd
2) with the record that the church has regarding buggering little boys, who can now trust them or worry what they do or think anyway
3) Since we have got onto religion let me tell you how that came about.........
Man wasnt made by god and woman wasnt made from adams rib (who came up with that one, weird. )
All living things (including us) evolved from tiny living cells over millions and millions of years. we have physical evidence, DNA etc.
When man evolved just imagine him sat in his cave during a thunder and lightning storm, or seeing a rainbow or maybe a volcano, he could not comprehend the science behind these things so came up with the assumtion there must be a master or GOD that is controling all this mayhem. Hey Prestow the religion fairytale was born. (even the religion fairytale has been evolving since then)
so guys, make the most of your lives and enjoy yourselves, its the only one we have.
P.S PLEASE DONT SPIT.
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wow, this is a great example of people overeacting about a silly comment about spitting. Get a life.
Hang on a minute. Lets be clear, the only person overreacting is Phil TK, firstly in making an unacceptable comment, and secondly in going in a cream puff when some folks objected to his comment.
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personally, i dont really care what peoples views are; about my beliefs or anyone else's. but generalizations do come up very often such as "the church buggering little boys". again, this is a mainly catholic/celibacy issue which has already been brought up, and not common among evangelical christians. if youre ever near carmarthen on a sunday, call into bethel christian centre to see what we get up to. you might be surprised! anyways, its a lovely day, so get out and ride, unless youre a fair weather jessie..
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but generalizations do come up very often such as "the church buggering little boys". again, this is a mainly catholic/celibacy issue which has already been brought up, and not common among evangelical christians.
Yes some priests have been exposed as abusers. But that does not mean to say that child abuse is a catholic/celibacy issue, or that all priests are abusers, as clearly they are not.
The likely hood of child abuse being present among evangelical christians, is, I would guess, about exactly the same as it is with any other social group.
call into bethel christian centre to see what we get up to.
Thanks, but no thanks, I'm an atheist.
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A relative of mine who tried to become a monk (when he was 19) told me creepy stories about what happens inside the monastery, it is common that the monks sleep together . Even he being very religious and homosexual too, had to get out of there.
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apparently, johnny vegas began training as a priest. now that would have been worth going to church for!! but then again, monkey would probably go to the tabloids with abuse allegations...