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General => General => Topic started by: Streetbudgie on 10 October 2012, 01:31:40 pm
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Having been legally licence free for nearly 2 years I became a member of the TV Licence Resistence Forum as I, like many others, was annoyed at the TVL for refusing to believe I did not need a TVL and the constant hassle by post and door step visits they carried out.
I now need a TVL as I have moved and I'm in a house which has a TV set up to receive live TV broadcasts (the only reason you ever need one), so on the TVLR forum I advised that I had to buy a licence (they repeatedly advise members they do not advocate evasion, only LLF) and the problems that I was having trying to buy a licence for cash.
I did not want to give TVL my credit or debit card details, neither did i want to set up a direct debit, I just wanted to walk into a Post Office and buy a licence for my home (not possible as PO do not sell them anymore).
I then found out that I had to use Paypoint which I tried to do and was told by 3 different shops that I was not in the system - why would I be, I did not need a licence before? And that they could not sell me one unless I gave my details to TVL who would arrange it on line or over the phone.
This meant back to the option of debit/credit card or DD agreement which I don't want to do, why should TVL have the ability to automatically charge me each year when my circumstances might have changed or I might be a bit skint when they decide to take the money and cost me bank charges?
So I decided to report this on the TVLR forum - I have never seen such a pathetic cyber bullying reaction in my life, first I was ridiculed for having to buy a licence, then I was told as a BBC funder (depite my stating that I was buying it as I had to because I now lived with a TV watcher) I was not welcome, then I started collecting negative reputation points.
I put my points across clearly and stated that I just wanted to ask why the TVL has such an aversion to people wanting to pay cash for their TVL, I asked why they were being so negative and pointed out that their refusal to discuss anything other than being legally licence free completely undermines the site and the ability of it to spread the word.
Also I pointed out that just because I had to buy a TVL in line with their own advice it didn't mean I supported the BBC TVL and my views had not changed, if the forum was exclusively for legally licence free people then how could they expand knowledge and membership?
Next thing I'm banned and the two threads where the bullying by the mods was taking place were removed, admittedly I did state that I was leaving the site anyway as it was clear I was no longer welcome and in my last post tell the main mod to stick his site where the sun doesn't shine (those exact words, no swearing allowed on TVLR forum), but come on, this is pathetic cyber bullying at it's worst, do these people have no life at all and spend their entire time making 'friends' in cyber space to gang up on others or watching catch up TV on iplayer?
I used to recommend TVLR forum, now I have to say avoid them as the only information you ever need with the TVL is if you don't need one do not have any contact with TVL, if they visit say nothing and close the door on them and if they write throw it in the bin where it belongs - you don't need a load of impotent bullying cyber geeks to tell you that and jump on you if you dare discuss anything other than being legally licence free.
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I can feel a foc-u solidarity moment coming along here..
What about we all sign up to their site and start discussing cyber bullying amongst ourselves and see how long it takes them to get the ban hammer out, might even take a few of them with us?
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lol hhmm License - l like that word. To own a tv is a privilege dont think it has anything todo with competency tho (well you need to work the remote :lol ).
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The people on that forum sound like a bunch of twats tbh :rolleyes
lol hhmm License - l like that word. To own a tv is a privilege dont think it has anything todo with competency tho (well you need to work the remote :lol ).
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Why would it have anything to do with competency? You don't have to take a TV Test before you get a TV licence :b It's a licence to receive the TV broadcast.
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lol hhmm License - l like that word. To own a tv is a privilege dont think it has anything todo with competency tho (well you need to work the remote :lol ).
A license is a certificate of granted permission, not a verification of competancy to do something.
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Perhaps we should really confuse things and ask if we should continue to use our TV's if we lost our licence?
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Perhaps we should really confuse things and ask if we should continue to use our TV's if we lost our licence?
:lol :lol
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Perhaps they should have a provisional TV licence? Then you'd only be allowed to watch Tele if a full TV licence holder was sitting next to you on the sofa?
Or If they followed the bike licence, you'd only be allowed to watch TVs up to 15" until you took your test, then it'd be 2 years watching TV on screens up to 33" unless you're over 21 in which case you could take the "Direct to Couch Potato" one week intensive course....
Of course we'd then have folk on here demanding that you resit the test every 10 years to prove you know who's shagging who on Eastenders.....
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Advice - you're buying a licence because you live with a TV viewer?
Let you TV watching mate buy (and pay for) the licence; the licence merely covers the address where the TV is located regardless of the individuals living there (therefore *you* don't have to have the licence).
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Wot AdieR said. You only need one licence per house unless each person living there has a separate contract with the landlord and a locking bedroom. If you don't watch TV but your housemate does then let him/her pay for it.
The problem with that, as I found last time I shared a house, is that you'll need to repeatedly remind the TVL bastards that the household has a licence, it's just not in your name. I was twice accused of breakign the law when I bought a DVD recorder as they didn't have a record of a licence in my name even though they had one for my address >:
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Advice - you're buying a licence because you live with a TV viewer?
Let you TV watching mate buy (and pay for) the licence; the licence merely covers the address where the TV is located regardless of the individuals living there (therefore *you* don't have to have the licence).
Don't think the co habitator otherwise known as The Girlfriend (TV Soap Addict) would accept that argument :)
I don't think there's any point in going over to TVLR and flaming them en masse, although they are deserving, it just lowers you to their level, the membership of their forum is shrinking daily anyway, not surprised with their attitude.
Apparantly I'm not the only one to get barred for wanting to discuss something other than being LLF.
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I don't think there's any point in going over to TVLR and flaming them en masse, although they are deserving, it just lowers you to their level, the membership of their forum is shrinking daily anyway, not surprised with their attitude.
Flaming is so passe. I'm talking about a nice subtle trolling. Start small, get a conversation going that they're interested in, then get a few people in to pass some unusual opinions, then ramp it up.
The whole idea is to get them to flame and get themselves banned from their own forum.
Childish I know, but I'm bored :)
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TV Licences GRRRRR dont get me on my soap boxes about that!!!
Tv licences only used to cover 3 tv sets per household so when as teenagers we had 4 tv's in the house parents had to buy 2 licences!!!
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3 tv sets per household
Your having a laugh? Well your mum and dad were :pokefun
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No the old TV licences circa 1979 you were only licenced upto three TV sets per household!
but in those days nurses homes ( where nurses lived on site at hospitals rather than nursing homes!!) and military accomodation got free TV licences. thats all changed now....
i can feel red mist coming down so will move on before i get into full rant mode!
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They use to hassle my 93 yr old uncle for not having a TV licence even though he didn't have a TV and could have got a license for free anyway.
They told him that to avoid harassment he should get his free license.
Problem was that having spent the last war inventing new and more efficient ways to kill Germans he wasn't about to play that game.
It was all a big game for him, no sooner had he reached agreement with one 'jobsworth' then a new and
more vicious 'enforcer would appear and ask to search his house for a TV. :'(
He died in 2007 having never had a license.
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A few years ago I threw my telly out. Phone the licence folks and told em. They asked me a few questions, seemed a bit baffled that I was keeping my sat receiver for listen to the radio, mentioned that I might get a visit, to which I replied that if the person was polite and courteous I would allow them in my home, but if I didn't like em they wouldn't be getting in.
For over three years I lived happily without a TV, and never heard a peep from the TV licence folks. I even moved house and had to contact them again to state there was no TV at my new address. Bought a telly last year (oh why, oh why did I do it?) and once again I have a license.
Yup I know a few other folks who live without TV and get constant hassle, but they never bothered with me.
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what else can you do to make the long winter nights fly by ??
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I see what you're saying VNA, but why should we have to prove that we don't have a TV? When I lived in a flat with electricity only I didn't have to phone the gas board every year. It's not like I've got kids here and the social workers want to make sure I'm not abusing them. It's not like I'm keeping guns or dangerous animals and need to prove they're locked away safely. Not having a TV effects only me, so why should I let inspectors into my home? Why should I get a threatening letter each and every month?
If they were a loan company they'd have had their licence taken away! And back to the OP - it's evident that that forum's rubbish as they appear to have had no effect whatsoever.
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When I moved into my place I had a TV but no freeview box, only my Xbox connected up to it. The renewal for the previous owner came through, I just phoned them up and told them I can't receive anything and they said ok, we'll call you back in a year :thumbup
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Blimey... there are quite a few rabid bonkers types on that forum aren't there? :lol
I've joined and am currently winding them up by telling them how a TV detector van works... it's an article of faith there that such things are a myth. :rollin
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I worked with a few blokes who drove vans with a few ariels etc sticking out all over the roof.
when ever we went out on an exercise the post office reported that TV license sales in that area suddenly increased!!
when we worked out of a place near newcastle we were told that during that week they went up by at least 600 households!!
lol ;)
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I worked with a few blokes who drove vans with a few ariels etc sticking out all over the roof.
when ever we went out on an exercise the post office reported that TV license sales in that area suddenly increased!!
when we worked out of a place near newcastle we were told that during that week they went up by at least 600 households!!
lol ;)
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Reminds me of when I was at the BBC 25 years ago. "Breakfast Time" had it's own newsgathering Transit van to do the on-location coverage of various news items. It was bristling with antennae including an ominous-looking pair of rods on a huge extendible mast. On several occasions it had to abandon a shoot because the locals insisted it was really a TV detector van and were getting too hostile for an interruption-free interview to be broadcast. :lol
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Ah well, that didn't take long. Banned already. :rollin
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Ah well, that didn't take long. Banned already. :rollin
in less than 5 hours?? what for?? lol
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Ah well, that didn't take long. Banned already. :rollin
in less than 5 hours?? what for?? lol
Admitting I own a TV, watching broadcast material, paying for a TV licence, not attaching the word scum every time I mentioned BBC and explaining that TV detector vans are real. Pretty inflammatory stuff... the only reason I lasted so long was "Sao Paulo", the site's top mod who wants no dissenting views on the site, was away for a while.
He blocked my IP address and threatened to contact my ISP... not sure what he'd complain about to them though, I was very polite. Now I'm at work I'd hoped to retrieve the bits of the thread I'd not saved at the time, but he's deleted all of it. :rolleyes
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lol!!
mate of mine just put on Facebook that after 11 years living on her own without a TV licence she just got done & fined £390
in her words not bad for 11 years!!
thats just under £36 per year for watching TV!!
not that i am advocating that in any way!! lol
(i might have that word wrong but think you undersatnd what i meant!)
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A license is a certificate of granted permission, not a verification of competancy to do something.
Very true *cough* bmw drivers! *cough*
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BMW Drivers and anyone who owns a taxi :P
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Wow the folks on that site appear to be a level headed bunch of people ...
Also I thought you had to have a license to stream tv over the internet, whether it be live or on-demand? been a while since I read up about it
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... I thought you had to have a license to stream tv over the internet, whether it be live or on-demand? been a while since I read up about it
Surprisingly that's not the case. So long as you don't watch (or record) programmes from any broadcaster as they are transmitted, then you don't need a TV licence.
So you can watch recorded material on-line, even BBC output on iPlayer. But now iPlayer also carries live broadcast material... for which you do, in theory, need a licence. The BBC will eventually need to find a way of fixing that loophole, maybe by linking a TV licence number to an IP address, as more and more people move to watching TV over their broadband connection.
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The BBC will eventually need to find a way of fixing that loophole, maybe by linking a TV licence number to an IP address, as more and more people move to watching TV over their broadband connection.
Yes I would think so. I know some people don't like paying the license fee but one thing everyone in broadcasting would agree on is that adverts and programme sponsorship is a far from ideal way of funding programmes in this country. Neither is a license fee of course, but it is the lesser of two evils -for the time being at least.
I for one despise advertising and rarely watch programmes interrupted by commercials, they are obtrusive and makes me wonder who owns the TV sitting in my living room, me or the advertisers?
And I notice that Utube is being ruined by damn adverts thesedays -far too many.
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Flipping the coin a moment.
I'm a fully paid up TV licence holder and fully expect the authorities should be hounding those who are avoiding paying.
You've got to admit that genuine non TV owners must be a minute percentage of the householders who claim they haven't got a TV!
A few years ago I had a TV delivered to my business address to take home. I did get a few letters from the TVL peeps but eventually they accepted it.
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@ Locksmith - that's exactly the kind of crap we put with from the BBC/Capita but you wouldn't accept it from anyone else would you?
Do the various Water Authorities contact you to demand to know why you haven't got a fishing licence and threaten you with court action if you don't buy one - No and you would tell them to sling their hook (yes deliberate!) if they did.
Also you do not need a TV licence to own a TV set, you only need one of the TV is set up to receive live broadcasts, nothing else, iPlayer does not require one nor does any form of internet broadcaster.
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Not a good comparative example but they are not going to take me to court for simply not buying a fishing licence. If I was caught fishing without one then fair do's.
If you want to split hairs then I think you do need a licence for iplayer if watching live TV.
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Does iPlayer play live TV? I thought the point of it was 'Catch Up TV' played at a later date than the original broadcast which BBC and Capita have admitted, lies outside of the TV licence remit.
I think your comparison still shows the mis-eductaion and brain washing that TVL produce, as you say, get caught fishing without a licence and you get fined, fair enough, but TVL don't do that, they pursue the innocent constantly with a barrage of ever more threatening letters, doorstep calls and demands to be given access to private property and homes as they 'need to check whether you need a licence or not' - even when you contact them and advise you do not need a licence.
What right has TVL to demand you contact them to tell them you do not need their product?
I do not have to tell the Police I don't need a gun licence or the DoT I don't need a hire & reward licence anymore than I don't have to tell Tampax I don't need to buy their tampons.
Clearly they think we are all liars and criminals and expect to be given access to all private property without question. This smacks of their belief that they are are all powerful and untouchable which is a very clear indication of the kind of attitude and arrogance the BBC has displayed towards it's most recent 'ring of paedophiles' scandal.
I would never let these bullying cheats near my home as there is a very well documented legal case where TVL were proved to have fabricated evidence that the legally licence free person was watching TV, this went to court, was proved beyond all doubt that the evidence was fabricated (basically a photoshopped image of the TV) and TVL lost and had to pay all court costs and amages to their victim.
Yet this did not call into question their practices or operation methods which remain as illegal and bullying as ever.
It is all about educating people with the facts regarding TV licencing not the lies that TVL spout. I have even been told by a TVL salesman (they are not inspectors) that you must a TV Licence if you own a TV - absolute bollox, I could own 100 TV sets and if none of them are connected to a system to receive live broadcasts then I will never need a licence.
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I would never let these bullying cheats near my home as there is a very well
documented legal case where TVL were proved to have fabricated evidence that the
legally licence free person was watching TV, this went to court, was proved
beyond all doubt that the evidence was fabricated (basically a photoshopped
image of the TV) and TVL lost and had to pay all court costs and amages to their
victim.
If this is so then that is an outrage pure and simple.
I understand your point about the constant harassment.
But how else can they enforce it? If you simply told them you had no TV's connected to an aerial in your household and they said OK we won't bother you again we'd all be doing it!
Yes iplayer has a watch live button. The first time you click on it a box pops up reminding you you need a license to watch it.