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General => General => Topic started by: Streetbudgie on 24 September 2012, 11:15:50 am
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Anyone got any pointers for a complete newbie to home CCTV?
I want to protect the new garage with a camera at each corner and I'm thinking I'll probably use about 3 more to cover the side and front of the house.
Don't really have a clue where to start except to say they will have to be wireless as I can't start running cables aroudn the house now it's decorated.
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You can buy a complete setup from Maplins (http://www.maplin.co.uk/cctv-and-security/complete-cctv-kits).
AIUI provided the cameras only cover your own property and don't look into neighbour's gardens or onto public ground you don't need to put up warning signs either.
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I am also currently tasked with obtaining quotes for wireless CCTV for our club.
So................. if there are any Foccers in the business, let me know.
Need 4 or 5 cameras to cover about 50 x 50 m ???
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Just found this site, not sure if it is wireless or wired at this point though: http://www.ielectronic.co.uk/cctv/diy-cctv-systems.html (http://www.ielectronic.co.uk/cctv/diy-cctv-systems.html)
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i have 3 wireless colour cameras had nearly 4yrs now ,no probs excellent picture and sound etc bought off ebay from king kong!!....cost me £25 each with free pnp....
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As an expert in the cctv business, I have found wireless cctv hopeless. Most of it works on the same frequency as home routers and it interferes with the picture quality. The cheap ones you buy havent got much of a picture quality either. You maybe would see something but would not be able to identify it. The Police are not interested in it either. For a decent wireless transmitter/reciever expect to pay around £300 and thats without the camera. These units allowyou to change the freqency if you have local problems. You will need to have a local power supply to power the cameras. There is a way of sending 4 separate camera signals down one cat 5 cable. This is probably the best way to do it. My favourite saying is "BUY CHEAP PAY TWICE" wireless cameras are rubish.
Buy a dummy camera, put up a sign and fit a decent alarms system, peferably a wireless one.
Nick www.oakparksec.com (http://www.oakparksec.com)
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As an expert in the cctv business, I have found wireless cctv hopeless. Most of it works on the same frequency as home routers and it interferes with the picture quality. The cheap ones you buy havent got much of a picture quality either. You maybe would see something but would not be able to identify it. The Police are not interested in it either. For a decent wireless transmitter/reciever expect to pay around £300 and thats without the camera. These units allowyou to change the freqency if you have local problems. You will need to have a local power supply to power the cameras. There is a way of sending 4 separate camera signals down one cat 5 cable. This is probably the best way to do it. My favourite saying is "BUY CHEAP PAY TWICE" wireless cameras are rubish.
Buy a dummy camera, put up a sign and fit a decent alarms system, peferably a wireless one.
Nick [url=http://www.oakparksec.com]www.oakparksec.com[/url] ([url]http://www.oakparksec.com[/url])
...cant agree with you there ,,mr expert cus mine albeit only cheap!!..have worked perfectly in the 4yrs i have had them with no problems whatsoever, day or night in ..ALL..weathers :b
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I'd have to disagree as well. IP based cameras are cheap and picture quality is not affected by signal strength or interference.
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No wonder all the original guys on this site dont come here any more, guess ill get my coat as well
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Aren't people aloud to express an opinion on there own experiences?
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The Mr Expert bit was out of order. I have been installing CCTV for 30 years and I do know my way around it. Some peoples perception of a good picture is not always the same as others. When you do it professionally and you want to get paid its important. I have seen this cheap end market stuff in shops like B&Q and it is rubbish. Maybe you have been lucky with the 2.5 ghz stuff in your area, but believe me it is an issue, Even the posh stuff has problems.I was just trying to give some good advice, thats all. IP cameras by the way need some sort of power and cabling to the router and I wasnt critizing them. The cheap kits do not give you a nice base for retrieving the images.I
I guess this site is now for the new folks that are riding old 600 fazers with attitude problems
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My fazer doesn't have an attitude problem.....
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i think your the one with attitude problems pal....you also come across as a snob as well?...keep it up fella you will be real popular on here!!!!....and if you dont like it on here?..then do as you suggested earlier and put on yer coat!!!!!!!!!!!!!......oh and dont give your day job up??....what did you do again?
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children, children.... :rolleyes
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:\ there is a vast difference between a professionals advice that is best for the job, and what someone is prepared to install or spend on a homer!
It's horses for courses. To install a deterrent and something that could help u identify your local rif raf then wireless is fine and cheap.
If you are looking to get a conviction through a court then only top notch will do.
Personally I go for alarms, cos if I hear it and they don't run.......... then I get my own justice!!
No need to slate someone for giving professional point of view?
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try reading bk clayt?...this is all because i...disagreed with his opening opinion!...then to slag me bike off ?...yes he is a fkn snob, with attiude problems!!!!!
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CRH, I have read it back - your reply at 13:06 comes across very dismissive, just because you disagree. As Nick pointed out your "Mr Expert" was uncalled for. As was editing your post at 22:07, to add a "smart-alec" comment about "what do you do again", when I'm quite certain you damn well that he's in the security business.
You're the one with the attitude problem - and he didn't slag your bike off, all he said was that it old. Given that its around 10 years old, and possibly 14, he's not wrong.
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i don't understand the new people old site thing he keeps going on about, surely having more members is good. And he keeps going on about it.
I agree go and set up your own site if it bothers you that much.
Besides your post count is only in the 20's hardly an old boy are you!!!
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Besides your post count is only in the 20's hardly an old boy are you!!!
Well now there's a basic mistake. Just because he hasn't had his post count transferred from the old site, doesn't mean he's new!
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No wonder all the original guys on this site dont come here any more, guess ill get my coat as well
I do agree though, that this was a bit of an over-reaction - but there's still no need for the vitriol that has come from some quarters.
New members wont come along at all, if this is the way they get treated, and old/new members alike will see the site die.
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No wonder all the original guys on this site dont come here any more, guess ill get my coat as well
I do agree though, that this was a bit of an over-reaction - but there's still no need for the vitriol that has come from some quarters.
New members wont come along at all, if this is the way they get treated, and old/new members alike will see the site die.
Exactly, that is a perfect way to put it, nice one rich
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try reading bk clayt?...this is all because i...disagreed with his opening opinion!...then to slag me bike off ?...yes he is a fkn snob, with attiude problems!!!!!
CRH peace dude! I ride a 2002, old in any language? To me it's my baby and ive only had her less than 2 years , and to me she is fresh as a daisy! Surely a loose pretty much true comment can't be taken as a personal quip ?
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Ah, I mind the good old days when nick himself used to drive the old guard off. Fun times.
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Well, thats below the belt,he slagged off your bike :lol
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Noticed an external colour cctv camera kit for sale in Aldi this week. I think it's just the camera and some wiring for it (not wireless) but all you need to connect to a recording device or viewing monitor is there. I take the point of the chap above regarding possible low end quality compared to an expensive set up, but perhaps this is an option for those more concerned with a low end outlay. In fact I might buy one myself and report back once installed. :)
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This reminds me of:
"Did you call my wife/pint/bike (delete as necessary) a poof?"
Anyhoo, before we go completely off topic, running Cat 5 cables is not an option so it has to be wireless.
Any tips on wireless CCTV would be much appreciated.
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At the risk of being branded a snob, I agree with Nick... wireless may be satisfactory, but is prone to interference (both suffering from it and causing it).
If you've mains at the proposed camera locations perhaps ethernet over mains would give better results without having to install Cat 5 everywhere?
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Woo Hoo - the site is returning to the old days!
What was the old private area called again? Slag pit? The Ring? The Dungeon? Merion's crotch?
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it whirr corld jennerull anne me anne daveg yoost ter get band hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ahh the good old days, I often wonder what happened to Dave the Troll
enny weigh bye der best wot ewe kann aford
simpull az dat
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Hey up UG - nice to see you !!!!
Your mate GTPete rang up for a chat the other day , and Rach , Snooky , Debz/Nooj etc are still about.
Give my best to DaveG when you see him.
Cheers mate.
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ope orls well inder wurld ov yors
aint two badd ear
keep tryin ter lose der missis
butt she keaps cummin bakk urm
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At the risk of being branded a snob, I agree with Nick... wireless may be satisfactory, but is prone to interference (both suffering from it and causing it).
If you've mains at the proposed camera locations perhaps ethernet over mains would give better results without having to install Cat 5 everywhere?
snob hahahahahahahahahahahaha
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snob hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Bloody plebs. :lol
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hey!! fazerider if thats pointed at me then where i come from thats fighting talk asshole!!! so hows about i pay your fuel and come over for a nice day out?? and ile fkn show you what this ..pleb can do!!.....
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BUNDLE................
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How's about you put your keyboard in the cupboard in case it gets angry and pops a letter in yer eye
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Also, FWIW & IMHO
I have had dealings with NICK HOOD and found him both knowledgeable and professional, expert even. :evil
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Don't know whether to laugh or cry... oh hang on, yeah, laugh - at CRH :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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When did it turn into Tnation
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Puff that chest out :lol
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Im pissing me self here reading this thread :rollin :rollin just like the good ol days :rollin :rollin ...................oh yeah an before any one says it .....yes I ride Gen 1 and tenna man aint needed :b :lol
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http://www.geovision.com.tw/english/Prod_GVDVRV85_intro.asp (http://www.geovision.com.tw/english/Prod_GVDVRV85_intro.asp)
http://www.invotech.co.uk/cctv-security-products-complete-cctv-systems-c-11_58.html?zenid=889a91d2769a2d702234e333224b7cf4 (http://www.invotech.co.uk/cctv-security-products-complete-cctv-systems-c-11_58.html?zenid=889a91d2769a2d702234e333224b7cf4)
take a look, make a call.........
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Thank you all. I have had some good enquiries from here. Good job some people can see the wood between the trees. Incidentally I have over 2000 posts on this site and have been here since 2002. I am on my third Fazer now.
Nick
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I take you stuck the coat back on the peg, then?
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I seemed to get more positives than negatives matey. So I might hang around a little while longer. LOL maybe Frazer can restore my original name and post count.
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Anyone got any pointers for a complete newbie to home CCTV?
I want to protect the new garage with a camera at each corner and I'm thinking I'll probably use about 3 more to cover the side and front of the house.
Don't really have a clue where to start except to say they will have to be wireless as I can't start running cables aroudn the house now it's decorated.
FWIW I got a nice setup from Maplins - wired, not wireless (other posters have said why wireless isn't ideal).
They sell a cheaper, similar one now which would fit your bill here: http://www.maplin.co.uk/500gb-4-channel-securix-h.264-network-dvr--4x-ccd-cameras-and-iphone-app-477048. (http://www.maplin.co.uk/500gb-4-channel-securix-h.264-network-dvr--4x-ccd-cameras-and-iphone-app-477048.)
A few points that were on my learning curve:
I put mine in the house and paid an electrician to string the cable but there was zero mess. If you decide you want it in the house, if you can bring the cables in the same route as your TV aerial or satellite cable, there's already a route to follow.
I'd say run the entire setup into the house via the garage, with only the recorder kept inside the house by the telly - it has its own channel.
If you just plain can't run wiring, you'll have to keep the whole system within the garage, lock the recorder away in a cupboard or out of the way in a secure spot, and get a little monitor just for setting up and looking at recordings. You can connect it to your wi-fi using a powerline network thingy so as not to run cables, as long as the garage is on the same mains loop as the house.
Whatever you decide:
To use the iphone remote app away from home you need a fixed IP, but it will work fine inside your own wi-fi zone.
You can have more than four cameras, but an 8 channel setup gets pricey.
Get one extra decent day/night camera to cover the main gate - the supplied cameras are a bit basic.
You can set up virtual tripwires (at least with mine) that sounds a beep alarm inside the actual recorder if anything crosses a line you setup on the screen.
Spiders and cobwebs look bloody enormous under infra red.
Once it's up and running you'll probably never look at it - until something happens!
Colin