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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: slappy on 05 September 2012, 07:23:12 pm
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Has anyone removed a meta alarm from a gen 1?
Mine has failed completely and for the first time in over 4 years of ownership i had to get the AA to bring me home.
I am tempted to just cut every wire but i know this will make things worse.
Every wire is plain black and when i try to trace them they just seem to go deeper into the wiring loom.
Looking at some of them I cannot even see how they got access to the wires.
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New Meta M357T-V2>1 unit from Pete http://bikealarmman.com/ (http://bikealarmman.com/) at Nuneaton £130 07877 552759 just unplug and plug the new one in, look on the web for his site.
Don't ask how I know.
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I do though :eek
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Be careful, someone I was talking to the other day cut theirs out and ended up with a bill for over £300 to put things right. I have a meta on mine and am constantly paranoid about it failing after all the stories I've heard.
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cut my unit off and used a meter to try work out the wires, was getting worried but after alot of head scratchin i got it going again, it was a few years ago now so cant remember how i did it but it is possible.
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We had to have one removed on other half's 600 called in a local motorcycle electrician
he came to us to sort it took about 3 hours to sort wiring out
were abouts are you
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I removed mine on a gen 2. It was simply a case of cutting the wires and soldering them back together and then re- insulating that portion of the loom.
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Which model META is it ?
I removed a 357T-V2 a couple of years ago from one of my old Fazers & it was'nt too difficult once the alarm unit or box was opened up.
If I get chance I will try & dig out the old unit if ive still got it & put some pics up of the wires you need to join together.
PLEASE BE AWARE: the bypass details are different on the 357T so this is why I ask which model you have!
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If you PM me your email addy I have something which may be very usefull..........
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I hate bike alarms. They are a right pain and, in my opinion, do little to prevent a machine being stolen.
My '05 FZS 1000 has never been fitted with an alarm. However, I also have a '98 VFR800 which had a Meta alarm fitted when I bought it. I wasn't prepared to mess about with it myself so had it disconnected at the first opportuinity by my local bike shop. £40 quid later no alarm to worry about - bliss.
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Agree 100%, alarms are far more trouble than they're worth, i got the dealer to remove the alarm from my gen1 before I picked it up. Chain to a ground anchor at home, and, if you're really worried, a Tracker gives a better chance of getting the bike back and the toe-rags caught. It takes seconds to sling a bike into the back of a van, and nobody but you cares if the alarm is going or not!
FWIW, I'd get a dealer to remove the alarm, then any problems are theirs, not yours.
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2 of my previous Gen 1's had Meta 357 alarms fitted (factory fit). When I look at it myself all the wires were the same bloody colour. Asked my Yam dealer about removing and they advised a new loom was required at £400....yeah right!!!
Took it to my local independant dealer who had it removed in 1/2 hour costing me a grant total of 20 quid ;) . Funnily enough my second one went to the same place.
There are mobile alarm removal companies that specialise in this type of thing if you do a search on the net.
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Here you go a pic of the plug from a 357t-v2, pretty easy really once you have removed the plug at the back of the alarm unit (I snipped the bolts of the shroud with a pair of split pin cutters).
The 4 wires you need to bridge are both of the wires in the white plug (starter circuit) and two in the main plug on the top row (where the tang is that locks the connector) looking at it as though it is plugged in, you should count in from the right then they are the 2nd in & 4th in (see pic below)
Obviously you will need to isolated all the other wires as there are two lives +indicator wires which will be live when switched on.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/BOSOZOKU-1/Alarm%20Pics/P1130446.jpg)
If you dont fancy doing this yourself or you have a DIFFERENT model of META alarm fitted then please feel free drop me a P.M and I can remove the alarm for you.
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Chitsu,it is a meta 357 so it is different from your pictures,the cable block is all black with no white part.
Thanks for the pictures and offer though.
I have dropped lucky as a friend of my next door neighbour had to do this with his alarm and it was the exact same model as mine so on saturday he is bringing his bike round so i can copy his wiring.
I also spoke to a car alarm guy and he reckons these alarms are failing because the internal battery has failed as they are now 10 years old and there is no way of replacing it.
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Chitsu,it is a meta 357 so it is different from your pictures,the cable block is all black with no white part.
Thanks for the pictures and offer though.
I have dropped lucky as a friend of my next door neighbour had to do this with his alarm and it was the exact same model as mine so on saturday he is bringing his bike round so i can copy his wiring.
I also spoke to a car alarm guy and he reckons these alarms are failing because the internal battery has failed as they are now 10 years old and there is no way of replacing it.
Mine was 9 years old.
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Chitsu,it is a meta 357 so it is different from your pictures,the cable block is all black with no white part.
Thanks for the pictures and offer though.
I have dropped lucky as a friend of my next door neighbour had to do this with his alarm and it was the exact same model as mine so on saturday he is bringing his bike round so i can copy his wiring.
I also spoke to a car alarm guy and he reckons these alarms are failing because the internal battery has failed as they are now 10 years old and there is no way of replacing it.
What you have been told about battery failure is correct as to why they are failing. Its not just META's that are suffering but all alarms. I recently removed a DATATOOL from a friends bike so I made a note of which wires to join on that too.
I personally dont like alarms & favour the idea of having a tracker atleast if your quick enough you stand some chance of getting your bike back.
As regards to your alarm I have the details (see pic below).
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/BOSOZOKU-1/Alarm%20Pics/P1130448.jpg)
You need to join the first & second and then the third & fourth connectors together (in pairs), all the connectors are located on the top row, and this is if you are looking head on at the black plug with the locking tang at the top.
chitsu.
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Bike is now starting OK,wires put in in as per Chitsu`s picture and these also matched my neighbours friends kawasaki.
If anyone has one of these alarms fitted I would carry two pieces of wire just in case,as my alarm died with no warning whatsoever.
I had to wait 2 hours for AA recovery as they sent a guy on a bike first who could only do the same checks as i had already done,even though i had already told them it was the immobiliser and would need recovering to my home address.
Thanks for all the info Chitsu :) [size=78%] [/size]
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Looks like this is already answered. I was hoping to sound really cool and say something clever about two paper clips and some insulating tape, but I think you already got the picture... :'(
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Hi guys, I'm a newbie, and am having trouble bridging my meta with the big black block connector it's the same as the second pic above, I'm a bit unsure what is meant by having to isolate all the other wires.
And how do you hold the bridged ones in place when there in?
Maybe I'm not pushing them in far enough, as it won't start the bike when the 2 bridge wires are in place, am I off the mark.
Cheers :'(
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I did mine with paper clips. Connect as per the wires in the picture, then bend flat against the surface of the block, and finally warp the whole thing with insulating tape to weather proof it.
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On my 357vt2 it was the 2 pins next to the ones shown in the pic that I had to bridge, i.e. if you are looking at the connector with the latch on the top, mine were 2&4 counting from the left.
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Cheers, I'll try that, I didn't want to try others in case I blew the ecu
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Result
It was the 1&2 ports and 3&4 ports on the top row from left side of the block connector on my meta m357tv2
Many thanks for the help. :D
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Apologies for the thread resurrection. I've just removed a Meta M357T-V2 unit from my Fazer using a bypass plug supplied by Abacus Alarms http://www.abacuscaralarms.co.uk/ (http://www.abacuscaralarms.co.uk/)
Couldn't have been easier. Have to recommend them.
I should make it clear I have no commercial interest in Abacus or Meta whatsoever.
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Hi All
Had my Fazer for 12 yrs now from new and its never let me down, to be fair I don't use it that much but when I do, I do!
Been following the threads about the Meta357T knowing that one day its going to happen to me.
Well guess what! Not used the bike for the last 4 months so thought I would just check everything was OK battery wise as I leave mine on the Optimate.
Ignition on, fuel pump buzzing away nicely as you would expect but no action from the key fob, funny I thought and then nothing when starter pressed. I could see the battery was fine as I was getting 12.9v from the multiguage lights came on bright and a manual check across the terminals confirmed this.
Yes, it must be the Meta then. Being a bit cautious about bridging/cutting wires and stuff I had another search and found that someone had removed their negative battery terminal for 10 mins and reconnected it to reset something. Thought to myself, why not give this a try. Sure enough when I reconnected I heard some feint sounds and she fired into life without touching the key fob. Result!!!
I thought that after 20 mins or so the alarm may re-set itself and I would be back to square one. But no, I have tried several more times over the last few days and the alarm seems to have died in an unarmed state. Making the key fob redundant. Could that be so?
If not, I am now confident to use the bridging technique above should I need to.
I know you will all say, why not do it now but I just wanted to see what happens.
Hope the negative battery bit might get someone out of a quick jam like mine did.
Regards
Steve
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A well timed thread...my 2004 Fazer 1000 has a Datatool 3 fitted and has yesterday started misbehaving...has anyone here ever removed one ? is it easy ?.
Greg
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As Above my datatool 3 is playing up and would love to remove it so if anyone can help i would appreciate it too :)
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It is quite rediculously easy. Two paper clips (or one broken in half).
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Well, tell us how to do it then!
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Well, tell us how to do it then!
Have you read this thread?
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Well, tell us how to do it then!
Have you read this thread?
I have, and there is no mention of a paper clip remedy to de-activate a Datatool 3 alarm. The earlier part of the thread deals with a Meta alarm deactivation.
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Have a closer look at the photo posted by chitsu, it is post #15 in this thread. He used bits of wire, I used paper clips but the block is part of the bikes wiring loom designed for alarms to plug into. Which alarm you have really doesn't matter since it is going to be unplugged.