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General => General => Topic started by: Grahamm on 05 September 2012, 01:04:57 am
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On a ride-out earlier today we stopped off at the Departure Lounge Cafe on the A39, which, it turns out, is closed on Tuesdays from the 1st of September, but they don't mention anything about this on their website!
In any case, as I was leaving the cafe carpark there was a car in front of me also turning left, so I waited behind it noting that a) there were double solid white lines down the middle of the road b) that there was a national limit sign just up the road to the left (ie the direction I was going) and c) there were two bikes coming from my right (which is a 40 limit zone).
I pull out, figuring that I've got plenty of space to do so safely because there was nowhere for the approaching bikes to pass, so they'd have to slow down behind the car, only to find one of the other two bikes pulling alongside me, beeping on his horn and making "are you crazy?" gestures. Given the situation I couldn't see what his problem was, however I discovered that very quickly when both he and his mate decided to blast past myself and the car in front *across* the solid double white lines with a right-hand bend ahead and no way to see if anything was coming!
Who's crazy? Not me sunshine!!
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You just pulled out in front of oncoming traffic , ( fellow bikers ), and you see nothing wrong ???? :rolleyes
why didnt you just give way to them, instead of following the car , who should have also done likewise...
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Isnt this a case of "Sorry Mate I DID See You"? I always thought you should NEVER do anything to cause another road user to change speed or direction :eek
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Isnt this a case of "Sorry Mate I DID See You"? I always thought you should NEVER do anything to cause another road user to change speed or direction :eek
I agree especially as i'm half way through my IAM course, although you don't say how far away they were when you pulled out?
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you pulled out on them mis judging the flow and speed of on coming traffic personally being on a bike I would of stopped and said a little more than are you crazy. We expect it from car drivers not bikers!!!!!!!
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Ooops! Home goal there Graham :o
I was on the motorway on Monday, behind another biker and we were travelling along at 90 in the fast lane. As we approached the M61 Junction, we both moved to the centre lane to get ready for the exit a mile further on. A small racer-boy car to the left of the other biker, drifted into the centre lane causing the biker to swerve hard to the right. With a blast of the horn ringing in his ears, the car driver swiftly returned to the centre lane holding his hand up. Then as I ride past him, EXACTLY the same thing!!!!!
Needless to say, I was forewarned, so I too swerved into the fast lane (knowing it was clear) and then slowed to the speed of the dickhead and communicated with him through the use of some universal sign language. There's some right idiots out there!
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Schools must be back. Absolute carnage on the streets of London today! Ahh, for the easy days of the Olympics!
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To me, the worst bikers are those who ride along right up the arse of a car. FFS, the number of times that I've been waiting to turn right, spotted a gap and thought "I'll shoot around as soon as this car passes", only to find (unexpectedly) a bike tucked right up the boot of the passing car.
MAKE YOURSELVES VISIBLE FFS!!
There's some right idiots out there.
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Just to be a stickler guys and gals...there is no fast lane and any manouver you make should not affect any other vehicles,causing them to take action. Just saying
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You just pulled out in front of oncoming traffic , ( fellow bikers ), and you see nothing wrong ???? :rolleyes
why didnt you just give way to them, instead of following the car , who should have also done likewise...
To answer this and everyone else going "HaHa! Graham who talks so much about Advanced Biking got it wrong!!": Because, had they been riding *sensibly* and *legally* there wouldn't have *been* a problem!
Read the situation I described again: 40 limit, double white lines, car just pulled out ahead, right hand bend coming up.
There was nowhere for them to pass, so they *should* have been slowing down or at least staying at 40 either of which would have given me plenty of time and space to pull out. Instead, as I realised afterwards, they were "taking a run" at the National Limit sign (presumably and wrongly thinking that once they can see it, it's ok to accelerate) and counting on being able to complete their overtake before anything came around the bend ahead of them.
My only mistake was to forget that some bikers are idiots and will do stupid manoeuvres like that because they think they're too cool to obey the rules of the road (not to mention the rules of common sense)...
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everyone else going "HaHa! Graham who talks so much about Advanced Biking got it wrong!!"
Uncanny...
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everyone else going "HaHa! Graham who talks so much about Advanced Biking got it wrong!!"
Uncanny...
Unsurprising :z
Anyway, ignoring the axe grinding, I invite everyone to have a look at the situation yourself...
Here's the link to Google Streetview http://goo.gl/maps/ysHqV (http://goo.gl/maps/ysHqV) (ignore where it says Lasham Airfield, that was just the easiest way to locate the place)
Pan left and you can see where the bikes were coming from.
Pan right and you can see the double white lines leading up to the National Limit sign, a bit of a left hander (and a dip that I'd forgotten about but which could also have hidden an oncoming vehicle) and then the right hander up ahead.
Now imagine you're coming from where those bikes were. You're in a 40 limit, there's double whites, there's traffic pulling out from your left, there's a dip which could hide a vehicle, there's a right-hander ahead that you can't see round.
Would *you* have gone for an overtake in that situation?
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Now imagine you're coming from where those bikes were. You're in a 40 limit, there's double whites, there's traffic pulling out from your left, there's a dip which could hide a vehicle, there's a right-hander ahead that you can't see round.
Would *you* have gone for an overtake in that situation?
No. But if I were riding along at 40 in a 40 limit and you pulled out in front causing me to slow down, you were in the wrong... From the looks of things there's not that much road visible to the right, if the bikes were already visible as the car pulled away I'd have waited for them to pass in your situation.
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Always expect the unexpected and view fellow road users as tw@ts until proven otherwise and you can't go far wrong.
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Irrespective if they were obeying the rules of the road or not theyre still classed as potential hazards and should be treated as such..
Trust no-one then you wont be dissapointed when they dont do as expected..everyone makes bad judgements now and again including ourselves.. Just gotta learn by them so theyre not repeated
And yep. Im IAM trained too
Budgie
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IAM.......................MMMMMMMMMMMM I`LL SAY NO MORE ;)
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if I were riding along at 40 in a 40 limit and you pulled out in front causing me to slow down, you were in the wrong...
I agree entirely, but they weren't. Had they been doing so, as mentioned, there wouldn't have been a problem because there is enough road viewable if they hadn't been accelerating towards the National Limit sign.
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Trust no-one then you wont be dissapointed when they dont do as expected..
Yep!
everyone makes bad judgements now and again including ourselves.. Just gotta learn by them so theyre not repeated
Indeed.
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...Irrespective if they were obeying the rules of the road or not theyre still classed as potential hazards and should be treated as such...
Spot on! Graham, you pulled out in front of someone that you say were speeding towards you. Take it ont' chin mate :lol
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I pull out, figuring that I've got plenty of space to do so safely
Read the situation I described again: 40 limit, double white lines, car just pulled out ahead, right hand bend coming up.
There was nowhere for them to pass, so they *should* have been slowing down or at least staying at 40 either of which would have given me plenty of time and space to pull out. Instead, as I realised afterwards,
My only mistake was to forget that some bikers are idiots and will do stupid manoeuvres like that because they think they're too cool to obey the rules of the road (not to mention the rules of common sense)...
I don't have any axes to grind, and no opinions on the IAM yet.
Looks to me like you spotted the bikers, but didn't spend enough time working out there speed and intentions. You wrongly assumed they would do be slower/slowing and should have spent that little extra time to eliminate the assumption and react on the actual circumstances.
No, you're not crazy, but you made a mistake.
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57.4mpg?? Wow! Do you coast a lot? :pokefun :lol
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Red98
My wife bought me the skills for life package for xmas so i put it to good use and did actually learn stuff.. I know not everyones a fan but thats an individual taste thing aint it..
Budgie
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isn't the road between Alton & Basingstoke?? I've riden along there a few times if it is & it is a fast road also the signage opposite the junction mentions the danger of fast moving traffic!
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Looks to me like you spotted the bikers, but didn't spend enough time working out there speed and intentions. You wrongly assumed they would do be slower/slowing and should have spent that little extra time to eliminate the assumption and react on the actual circumstances.
No, you're not crazy, but you made a mistake.
I agree that I made a mistake, but IMO the mistake was assuming they weren't idiots who would attempt a ridiculous manoeuvre like that!
I'll certainly be changing my assumptions and incorporating that in my riding plans in future :)
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the mistake was assuming they weren't idiots
:lol
On the road everyone is an idiot unless they prove otherwise.
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I would have let them pass, for no other reason than I thoroughly enjoy coming up behind other bikers and having a little bit of fun. :) I guess that makes me an idiot too. :\ But aren't we all at times ?
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to be fair, we dont know how far away the bikers were to graham. if i'd have thought there was ample room to pull out, i would have. someone rides like a twat, thats his problem. BTW, i'm not captain sensible. i often overtake on a double white (yes i know i shouldnt etc etc) and i dont have chicken strips on my tyres. but i still ride as safe as i possibly can to cover most eventualities.
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Sorry folks but l agree with Graham, theres a surprising number of bikers that think they are immortal and immune to the laws of the road ! Yes we all speed, we all take the odd risk, l mean l commute through traffic everyday and l can tell you its scary. But many bikers put themselves into trouble unecessarily, read the road wrong and accelerate into trouble. Many a time l ve had crazy bikers cut in front of me because they fail to get past the car in front of me in an effort to stay with their mate who earlier overtook the car on the wrong side of the road on the approach to a bend ! Think of yourself coming the other way then you would be scared to see this idiot on your side of the road coming towards you. Just one of many examples of crazy riding that at times makes me feel ashamed to being a biker, the point here is this yes Graham pulled out after seeing the guys coming towards him, they were equally at fault for accelerating on the approach to vehicles meeting their road from the left whilst already in a 40mph zone.
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Grayham. Quote "On a ride-out earlier today we stopped off at the Departure Lounge Cafe on the A39"
Are you sure this is the A39?
It does not seem so to me.
Or have you got this wrong to?
The other bikers must have scared you a bit.
Take care matey. Ride safe.
R
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My mate overtook while driving a car on double whites, the driver of the car he over took was an off duty policewoman , she clocked his number plate and done him,,,TWELVE MONTH BAN :lol poor chap, he is always in the wrong place at the wrong time
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Grayham. Quote "On a ride-out earlier today we stopped off at the Departure Lounge Cafe on the A39"
Are you sure this is the A39?
Typo, A339
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Typo, A339
Oops! Thanks for the correction. (I'd have edited the post, but...!!)
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I treat everyone else on the road as a blind unpredictable y'at!!! All rules are out of the window! I ride to survive !!and that includes reacting quickly to situations! If I have miss read the road or a twat, then I feel it's my bad for not bein more defensive. Yes I can ride like a loon, but when the conditions allow.
Peace!
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it sounds like you pulled out when it wasn't safe to and he had to take evasive action because of it so it was you're fault. the fact that he was driving like an asshole is irrelevant. if you had taken a proper look before pulling out you would have seen his speed
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he had to take evasive action because of it so it was you're fault. the fact that he was driving like an asshole is irrelevant.
I beg to differ, he had to take evasive action *because* he was riding like an asshole. My mistake was not *assuming* that he was an asshole and would try for a dangerous and illegal overtake.
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If an asshole driving in front of me STOMPED on his brakes just for the fun of it, would it be my fault if I crashed into the back of him? YES!! He was acting like an asshole, but it would be my fault for not keeping a safe distance. It's the same thing Graham.
Or look at it this way - and be honest with yourself - if you had made that exact same manoeuvre during your Riding Test, do you think you would have passed??
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I beg to differ, he had to take evasive action *because* he was riding like an asshole. My mistake was not *assuming* that he was an asshole and would try for a dangerous and illegal overtake.
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I beg to differ, he had to take evasive action *because* he was riding like an asshole. My mistake was not *assuming* that he was an asshole and would try for a dangerous and illegal overtake.
This evangelical approach to other peoples riding could get you (and others) killed one day. Give it up, you are not setting a good example. Always assume that other road users are assholes.
And yes, you would have been failed if you pulled out on these guys on a test.
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I pull out, figuring that I've got plenty of space to do so safely because there was nowhere for the approaching bikes to pass, so they'd have to slow down behind the car,
This is the bit I dont quite get....
You decided that since they would have to slow down behind the car, then you would also pull out meaning that they would have to slow down even quicker behind you?
not being arsey, but i would get the hump then as well.
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I beg to differ, he had to take evasive action *because* he was riding like an asshole. My mistake was not *assuming* that he was an asshole and would try for a dangerous and illegal overtake.
Makes no difference if he's driving like a dick or not, at a give way line you're supposed to give way to traffic that has priority over you.
If they would've had to slow down for the car even if you didn't go then he was in the wrong also.
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The only safe assumption is that you cant assume anything other than theyre probably out to get you! :eek Training is only a pathway. Commonsense is uncommonly rare :lol
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If an asshole driving in front of me STOMPED on his brakes just for the fun of it, would it be my fault if I crashed into the back of him? YES!! He was acting like an asshole, but it would be my fault for not keeping a safe distance. It's the same thing Graham.
So if you were travelling too fast to be able to stop if something happens in front of you, it's your fault? Erm...
Or look at it this way - and be honest with yourself - if you had made that exact same manoeuvre during your Riding Test, do you think you would have passed??
In all honesty, I do not know. Would the Examiner have brought it up in the debrief? Certainly. Would he have marked me down for it? Very probably. Would he have failed me because they were riding irresponsibly? I do not know and unless you're an IAM Examiner, you don't either. You can assume all you like, but that's all it is: assumptions.
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This is the bit I dont quite get....
You decided that since they would have to slow down behind the car, then you would also pull out meaning that they would have to slow down even quicker behind you?
No, because had they been riding sensibly and doing anything like the speed limit, there would have been no need for them to change their riding plans or slow down sooner because they would have encountered us a distance further up the road.
As I've already said, my mistake was assuming that they were riding sensibly instead of them trying to overtake on double whites past a junction and, again as I've already said, I will take such things into account in the future.
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IPSGA
Information, Position, Speed, Gear, Acceleration
info wise, you've misjudged their speed
position, waiting to join a main road, let them pass
Speed, in this instance.....thiers not your's, how many times have we heard car drivers say or be told that bikes are deceptively quicker than you think
Gear, you'd be in 1st?
Acceleration, not a chance as the car was slow, let them all pass (move off when safe to do so blah blah blah)
I'm not an IAM instructor or examiner but its all about observation (Info bit) and I think he may have failed you
to paraphrase what JZS said............treat everyone as a pleb and you won't go far wrong
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whats all this talk of assholes :stop are we in america now :2guns arseholes :lol
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Schools must be back. Absolute carnage on the streets of London today! Ahh, for the easy days of the Olympics!
You're not wrong. I had to take my son to a hospital appointment in Hampstead and it took an hour longer than the previous week, so many near misses too. Without being a big head i could often predict near misses to my lad just on observation, you can feel it in your gut when Dippy Dave's daydreaming and is gonna change lanes or Trippy Tina is texting. My latest annoyance is Stupid Simon and his SatNav telling him to keep right on the motorway so he suddenly changes lane for no reason other than a stupid machine telling him too.
I used to write childrens books in an earlier life
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This is the bit I dont quite get....
You decided that since they would have to slow down behind the car, then you would also pull out meaning that they would have to slow down even quicker behind you?
No, because had they been riding sensibly and doing anything like the speed limit, there would have been no need for them to change their riding plans or slow down sooner because they would have encountered us a distance further up the road.
As I've already said, my mistake was assuming that they were riding sensibly instead of them trying to overtake on double whites past a junction and, again as I've already said, I will take such things into account in the future.
:rolleyes :wall
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QUOTE GRAHAMM "So if you were travelling too fast to be able to stop if something happens in front of you, it's your fault? Erm..."
I don't know about IAM or any other advanced riding methods, but according to the School of Grown Up Men with Common Sense, yes, you need to maintain a distance and a speed which enables you to come to a safe halt in the event of something happening in front of you. Erm, what's difficult to understand about that?? Seems fairly elementary to me :rolleyes
And if you honestly believe that a Riding Test Examiner might not fail you for pulling out in front of oncoming traffic, causing them to change the speed and direction (not to mention cause a scene with their angry gesticulations), then you passed your test in the 1970's or are living on a totally seperate planet to the rest of us .
:wall
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Sorry, that should have been :lol separate :lol (I can hear Rusty's footsteps)
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Let me pose another question, if I may. I direct this not only to you Graham, but also to any riders who have advanced riding qualifications (or just common sense)....
If you were going around a blind bend and ran into the back of a car which had broken down in the middle of the road, would it be your fault?
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Let me pose another question, if I may. I direct this not only to you Graham, but also to any riders who have advanced riding qualifications (or just common sense)....
If you were going around a blind bend and ran into the back of a car which had broken down in the middle of the road, would it be your fault?
Absolutely yes!
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Am getting the impression this is one of those threads you wish you hadn't started :pokefun
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Lazarus - you have passed your test! Well done. :rollin
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If you were going around a blind bend and ran into the back of a car which had broken down in the middle of the road, would it be your fault?
NO
I would blame the dopey mechanic who last worked on the car.
That statement is of course nonsense. In the same way the other bike riders Graham holds responsible for going too fast when he pulled in front of them, knowing they had nowhere to go.
It becomes illogical to blame someone else for your short comings.
I think..
Ray
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Yep most definately.. You should only travel at a speed in which you can see to stop.. Most times if.you run into.a slower or stationary object its your fault..
Budgie
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Sorry, that should have been :lol separate :lol (I can hear Rusty's footsteps)
I now pronounce you Bee flat. :lol
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If you were going around a blind bend and ran into the back of a car which had broken down in the middle of the road, would it be your fault?
NO I would blame the dopey mechanic who last worked on the car.
:lol :rollin :lol
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Yesterday I drove behind a car in traffic, I was pretty close but we were travelling quite slowly.
Then at around 20mph from between his wheels emerged a bit of wood with a nail in it - bump - bump - hit both my tyres as I hadn't left room or time to avoid such an occurrence. That could have been a brick, a pothole - or whatever. I should have known better, I do know better, but we all have occasional lapses of concentration and it's usually at that precise moment when something catches us out.
I remember a chief constable in Wales was caught doing 94mph on an A road, in court he claimed it was "A momentary lapse of concentration". He got away with it - of course.
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QUOTE GRAHAMM "So if you were travelling too fast to be able to stop if something happens in front of you, it's your fault? Erm..."
I don't know about IAM or any other advanced riding methods, but according to the School of Grown Up Men with Common Sense, yes, you need to maintain a distance and a speed which enables you to come to a safe halt in the event of something happening in front of you. Erm, what's difficult to understand about that?? Seems fairly elementary to me :rolleyes
So if you're in a 40 limit, you're approaching a junction or exit where vehicles are pulling out from, there are solid double white lines and a blind dip which might conceal an on-coming vehicle, do you a) maintain speed (or back off, depending on the exact distance to the hazard) or b) accelerate and attempt a dangerous and illegal overtake?
And if you honestly believe that a Riding Test Examiner might not fail you for pulling out in front of oncoming traffic, causing them to change the speed and direction (not to mention cause a scene with their angry gesticulations), then you passed your test in the 1970's or are living on a totally seperate planet to the rest of us .
I have done my best to describe the situation, but the fact of the matter remains that *you* weren't there, you didn't see what happened and I cannot include every single detail (did I mention both of them were wearing Iridium Visors that may have been illegal too?)
Again I re-iterate that, in future, I will be certain to *LEARN* from this situation and take account of it in future and I also hope that others may benefit from my experience of what happened so that the same thing doesn't happen to them.
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If you were going around a blind bend and ran into the back of a car which had broken down in the middle of the road, would it be your fault?
See my post #58.
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So if you're in a 40 limit, you're approaching a junction or exit where vehicles are pulling out from, there are solid double white lines and a blind dip which might conceal an on-coming vehicle, do you a) maintain speed (or back off, depending on the exact distance to the hazard) or b) accelerate and attempt a dangerous and illegal overtake?
I'd do a). Regardless of what I'm doing though, whether it's 20, 40 or 90mph, the person at the junction is at a give way line and I have right of way. One persons riding/driving poorly doesn't make it ok for me to do the same.
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I can confirm.. That I left The Departure Lounge Cafe (which is open on Thursdays) today at around 12pm, turned left with no car in front of me, and no vehicles approaching from the right. All went well.
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Hi Graham, all this is just friendly forum-chat - let's not lose sight of that. ;) You posted details of your incident, automatically inviting opinions from the forum members. No, I wasn't at the scene, so I can only go off the information which you supply. But it's not really about that - it's more about your uncompromising position relating to whether you made a mistake or not. You seem to be unable to accept that you were at fault - you made a mistake. As Rusty said - we all do! You now go on to expand the "mitigating circumstances" by pointing out the riders illegal visors!!
If I had been in that same situation, I would have looked at those speeding bikers and thought "Stupid Foccers" and waited a couple of seconds for them to pass instead of making the unfolding potential hazard a greater hazard still.
Hold your hand out, we'll slap it, then buy you a pint and be friends. :lol
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You seem to be unable to accept that you were at fault - you made a mistake.
Damn, really? And I could have *sworn* I said something in at least one of my posts about that...
If I had been in that same situation, I would have looked at those speeding bikers and thought "Stupid Foccers" and waited a couple of seconds for them to pass instead of making the unfolding potential hazard a greater hazard still.
I'm glad to hear it.
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That I left The Departure Lounge Cafe (which is open on Thursdays)
But did the buggers say anything about being closed on Tuesdays as well as Mondays from the 1st of September? :pokefun
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With regards to the test failure scenario, I failed my first driving test for just this reason.
I was stuck at the bottom of a hill just outside the test center in Cambridge for about 15 mins, no-one let me out. A bus pulls out of a layby/bus-stop about 60 yards away, which meant a large gap developed in front of him which I pulled out into.
Now the examiner had been doodling on his notepad for the last 10 mins, looks up as I pull out and sees a bus 50 yards away and puts a mark on his notepad. The git didn't even clock the fact that the bus was doing about 5mph at this point.
FAIL - CROSSING THE PATH OF ANOTHER VEHICLE UNSAFELY. Bastard.
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Hold your hand out, we'll slap it, then buy you a pint and be friends
Steady there, half a pint is more than enough.
Quote "friendly forum-chat" :)
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That I left The Departure Lounge Cafe (which is open on Thursdays)
But did the buggers say anything about being closed on Tuesdays as well as Mondays from the 1st of September? :pokefun
Nope, but I did have to wait in line behind 6 little old ladies before I could place my order.
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iridium visors? that immediately flags up as power rangers!!! had a couple of them behind me last week in builth (30mph zone); all weaving and revving as if i was holding them up. opened it up on leaving town and never saw them after the first coupla bends.
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At my age I have seen so much on the road, experienced almost every sort of scenario...but believe me Graham there is one sacrosanct rule...
Traffic leaving a side road or give way moving onto a main road has the liability if any accident occurs as a consequence,...ask any good barrister.
As such matey , if you did cause another road user to change speed, or alter his course by leaving such, you are in the wrong , and if a collision occurred as a result ....guilty of at least careless driving, auto fail of yer IAM test no question.
You cannot rely on the daft defence " well they should not have been going that fast"...you pulled out , you are responsible.I have said this to you before , an advanced rider shows restraint , restraint , restraint. If in doubt dont pull out.( or do over ambitious show boat overtakes )...
I do think you show me signs that because you have studied the IAM, you almost have a "preacher" attitude to other road users. You have to step outside that thinking. We is all in it together , neither you nor I have any authority to enforce traffic law or rules to any other road user. Use your experience to identify potential hazard issues, and manoeuvre yourself around them. That is the secret of advanced riding. Its not just being able to ride "fast" , its riding clever as well.
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:agree Amen to that
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That sign http://goo.gl/maps/ErKic (http://goo.gl/maps/ErKic) just about says it all WARNING! fast moving traffic from both ways. :lol ;)
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I am going to that cafe, yep and when i want to leave i am going to wait for them fokkers, then pull out infront of them and slow em down ,
then pull out my sawn off shotgun and blast them,, :eek
Yes, just because they caused all this greif for our Graham,
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Have not taken IAM test nor training but have read & studied their book, also Police Riders manual in fact everything relating to training,self improvement,riding techniques because there is always something new to learn and although I took my bike test in 1966,everything has continued to change/advance road & vehiclewise. But what hasnt altered is human nature. Training in those far off days was minimal or non-existent & we sailed out onto the roads with optimism & bravado but a few scares later started to learn(those of who didnt become casualties in the process). When I was undergoing driving instructor training in the 90s I had a very wise instructor. When we asked him for a definitive answer to a specific question he would usually answer "It depends". This infuriated us trainees until the penny dropped-there is no hard & fast answer to particular scenarios-YOU HAVE TO THINK & ACT ACCORDING TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES. He of course taught us defensive driving techniques & made us realise there is no place for ego on the roads. Never make assumptions about other road users intentions, obey the rules (Highway Code) but more than anything else use "PST". P-develop your sense of inner PEACE. S- Create your own SPACE on the road by use of vehicle controls/self discipline(S also means SAFETY ZONE) & T-TIME (TIMING OF ACTIONS-ALSO THINKING AHEAD. Not trying to sound holier than thou or anything just want us all to ride safe & happy-the best advert for motorcycling is good riding-the best ones hardly get noticed because they arent trying to prove anything unlike the "Powerrangers"-but I was like that once. We all have to share the same roads-its just that accidents are going to hurt us more than the cagers. Enjoy & be happy! :lol
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I am going to that cafe, yep and when i want to leave i am going to wait for them fokkers, then pull out infront of them and slow em down ,
then pull out my sawn off shotgun and blast them,, :eek
Yes, just because they caused all this greif for our Graham,
Brilliant post, I passed my bike test in 1962 then did RAC/ACU course as that was all that was available. Then in 2000 my son wanted to ride the R6 I had at the time, as he had passed his test a couple of years before but had never ridden anything like the R6, so we both toddled off to our IAM group, I managed to pass a month before he did.
[/size][/color]It has stood us both in good stead, I do much higher bike miles than him, but he is catching up fast, and on the times I have been knocked off they were in bizarre, almost unimaginable situations, and would have been much worse without training.[/font]
[/size][/color]Nowadays the roads are very congested with people who are not drivers, but just want to get from A-B in the most convenient way. They are not bothered about raising skill levels, more about satnavs, texting etc., etc and only seem to learn enough to pass the test, or not in some cases![/font]
[/size][/color]There is very little courtesy on the road, though thankfully bikers are not so guilty of this, so it is a bit of a war zone every day now in the South East a road is closed due to a major incident.[/font] :eek
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Whoops, wrong quote in last post, brilliant thread though, what seems to be coming through is commonsense has gone out of fashion (not just on the roads) and ASSUME, i.e makes an ASS of U & ME.
[/size][/color]Have also done Rospa which is basically the same as IAM, but you are retested every three years and graded, Bronze, Silver or Gold, but not so many Rospa bike groups around, we are lucky have one in Kent and Surrey and my IAM group meet at Brands Hatch with lots of perks.[/font]
[/size][/color]Last three groupnights dealers have brought along their lovely new bikes for us to play on, all free![/font] :D
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Slightly off topic, are you still in the ROSPA group? Thinking of taking a nosey over to the Kent branch..
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Slightly off topic, are you still in the ROSPA group? Thinking of taking a nosey over to the Kent branch..
Yes I am still Rospa, Kent branch meet at Mickey's on A229 2nd Sunday of month, Graham Allen Sgt in Police force and instructor with Rapid Training runs it, great guy, very helpful and friendly.
Look at Rospasmart.com and rapidtraining.co.uk who also do brilliant track days at Cadwell.
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I'll be giving that a go then!
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Have also done Rospa which is basically the same as IAM, but you are retested every three years and graded, Bronze, Silver or Gold
As you know, the IAM grade from 1-5 where 1 is "Well above the expected standard" (or some such wording) and 3 is "acceptable" in 20 categories. Anything below 3 being a fail. I've heard it said that a basic pass (ie 3's across the board) is the equivalent of a RoSPA Bronze.
The IAM have recently introduced their F1RST qualification where you need to score 1's across the board (presumably their equivalent of a RoSPA Gold) however this only lasts for *two* years before you have to be retested which seems odd because I've heard RoSPA Observers say that they think that one reason for their declining membership is people not wanting to fork out for the three year re-test, so a two year test cycle seems the wrong way to go.
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It's all about the money, money, money!
(name that tune,,,)
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Have also done Rospa which is basically the same as IAM, but you are retested every three years and graded, Bronze, Silver or Gold
As you know, the IAM grade from 1-5 where 1 is "Well above the expected standard" (or some such wording) and 3 is "acceptable" in 20 categories. Anything below 3 being a fail. I've heard it said that a basic pass (ie 3's across the board) is the equivalent of a RoSPA Bronze.
The IAM have recently introduced their F1RST qualification where you need to score 1's across the board (presumably their equivalent of a RoSPA Gold) however this only lasts for *two* years before you have to be retested which seems odd because I've heard RoSPA Observers say that they think that one reason for their declining membership is people not wanting to fork out for the three year re-test, so a two year test cycle seems the wrong way to go.
Blimey, that tree's got a load of branches............... Think i'll spend my money on fuel and road time, learn from my mistakes for now.