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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: coansha on 01 September 2012, 04:07:25 pm
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Apologies, I know there are plenty of threads on tyres but struggling to find the comparison I'm after.
Fairly new to on-road riding and still finding my feet but my Gen1 is in need of a new set of rubber.
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I am not a commuter, summer tours and quick blasts into North Wales, dry weather only..
Not too worried about how long they last, I am not going to skimp on tyres and it's grip I'm after not longevity (though obviously that would be nice too!)..
Looking through posts looks like BT023 Vs PR3
Can anyone help with what would suit me best? Or have I missed a tyre that would fit the bill better?
Realise it's very subjective but I don't have enough experience to make the call myselp, I just want plenty of grip around those Welsh corners!
Also, best place to get them fitted in or around Chester?
Thanks in advance.... :)
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have 023 on mine superb does not do justice. i had these on my zx12 as well and seem to last forever and grip is superb
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If your bike still has standard Yamaha suspension it will be that that limits your handling or grip.
Demon Tweeks in Wrexham do ride in ride out service, and a big selection (phone first).
I was in TST tyres in Warrington a few weeks back, not too far from Chester, and they had a deal on for BT023 pairs (IIRC £240 a pair ride in ride out).
I have Roadsmart's on my Gen 1 and will be upgrading to Roadsmart 2 when I replace them.
I had PR1's on my bike before and they were great until about 2/3's worn, then they were horrible (plus they are French :thumbdown [size=78%] [/size]) and I wont have them on my bike ever again.
Good luck
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I know I will probably get slated for this, but have been riding know for 30 years plus on a large range of differant models and styles of bikes and there is an awful lot of crap talked about when it comes to tyres. Ive had the varying ranges of Bridgestones, Pirelis, Dunlops, etc, etc. Unless you ride every day as if its a track day most of the better known makes are a lot better than the rider. If you fit touring tyres they will do eveything you want and last that bit longer than sticky rubber and to be honest I have never noticed any differance between the two cornering, wet dry or otherwise.
The only exception to the rule is the lessor known cheaper makes which can be utter rubbish.
Originally had the BT,s fitted but know have the Mitchelin Pilot road 2 simply because they were on special offer, only differance ive noticed is they do seem to be lasting longer.
So basically any of the better known popular makes will serve you well.
Before anybody says it I am not an old fart who potters about, no chicken strips on this fellas tyres.
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Both a great tyres and will easily do what you want. If you go 023 then be sure its not the heavy tour version. I had .023 s on and now have pr3 s
Think I prefer the pr3 but the 023 out performed me.
All modern rubber is fairly good, it will come down to feel and mileage as performance is good on anything.
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Try F&B Tyres at Sandbach Cheshire, excellent service and prices, ride in /out or fit to loose wheels.
01270 760795
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Very few duff tyres on the market these days. See what you can get the best deal on, and include Conti RoadAttack2/Metzler Z8/Dunlop Roadsmart2 on the list.
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Thanks for the comments, think I am tending towards the BT023, can get a pair delivered for £209 though I'll check what the dealers above will do, fitted. The PR3 cost just a little more (£230) plus not so keen on that ribbed front...
Think the overwhelming feeling I get is that they are both good tyres and it is only my inabilities that will be the issue not the tyres!
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The PR2 has been the best I've fitted on the Thou. Nearly 7000 miles out of a pair and consistent grip/steering right to the end.
Maybe not the ultimate in wet weather grip (if you believe the marketing hype about the latest generation of tyres) but available cheaper now.
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The PR2 has been the best I've fitted on the Thou. Nearly 7000 miles out of a pair and consistent grip/steering right to the end.
Maybe not the ultimate in wet weather grip (if you believe the marketing hype about the latest generation of tyres) but available cheaper now.
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PR2's are a better tyre than the 3's IMHO - unless wet weather grip is your aim.
Lingy is also spot on, most modern sport touring tyres will allow you to drag the pegs on a Gen 1 so more grip than that is just wasted unless you are doing track days.
I also ran them successfully on my K5 and had the pegs skimming on that at indecent speeds.
Have just stuck a new PR2 rear on my Busa as well.
And bearing in mind I run a bike shop and can have basically a choice of anything I want at trade prices then my recommendation is worth listening to.
Just to add some balance, don't fit them to a ST1300 if you enjoy enthusiastic riding, the heavy weight transfer under braking ovalled the front when I ran them on my Pan. BT023 GT's are the job for that lardy beast.....
Whale
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If you fit touring tyres they will do eveything you want and last that bit longer than sticky rubber and to be honest I have never noticed any differance between the two cornering, wet dry or otherwise.
I agree with most of what you say. I haven't tried the BT23's, but I did have BT020's. I then fitted PR2's. The PR2's are much harder wearing than the BT020's.
What I did notice, other than the much better tyre life, was that while the OE Metzler ME4's were slow to turn in (not to mention poor grip and mileage), on the BT020's the bike positively dropped into turns. The PR2's however seem to be neutral. They neither need persuasion to turn in, nor do they feel like they are dropping in. I felt they were perfectly balanced.
Also the PR2's don't seem to square off quickly.
But I'm afraid I've never tried the BT23's.
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The PR2 has been the best I've fitted on the Thou. Nearly 7000 miles out of a pair and consistent grip/steering right to the end.
Maybe not the ultimate in wet weather grip (if you believe the marketing hype about the latest generation of tyres) but available cheaper now.
:agree
PR2's are a better tyre than the 3's IMHO - unless wet weather grip is your aim.
Lingy is also spot on, most modern sport touring tyres will allow you to drag the pegs on a Gen 1 so more grip than that is just wasted unless you are doing track days.
I also ran them successfully on my K5 and had the pegs skimming on that at indecent speeds.
Have just stuck a new PR2 rear on my Busa as well.
And bearing in mind I run a bike shop and can have basically a choice of anything I want at trade prices then my recommendation is worth listening to.
Just to add some balance, don't fit them to a ST1300 if you enjoy enthusiastic riding, the heavy weight transfer under braking ovalled the front when I ran them on my Pan. BT023 GT's are the job for that lardy beast.....
Whale
Damn you Whale for giving me more options!!!
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I was down my tyre shop recently (Essential Rubber, very good!) asking about replacements for my BT21's. I wanted to know if I should stick another set of 21's on or try 23's, PR2's or PD3's
He told me that PR2's were the best tyre in his opinion. I'll be checking this out very soon...
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Ive Got 023s on my old Suzuki 1100 which i ride daily all year round and in my humble opinion there great wet or dry
just got S20 hypersport on my gen 1 1000 nice and sticky but not sure yet how long there going to last :rolleyes
Glad i get them cheap :D well cheaper than from a garage
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I've had BT020, 021, 022 and 023. I've also had PR2's and PR3's. Now I've got Metzeler Z8's.
All of these were chosen for longevity and wet-weather grip. THAT's what they're good at! According to your post, you're not interested in either, so these are not the tyres for you. Look at Michelin Pilot Powers or Pirelli Diabli Rosso, etc, etc.
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I've had BT020, 021, 022 and 023. I've also had PR2's and PR3's. Now I've got Metzeler Z4's.
All of these were chosen for longevity and wet-weather grip. THAT's what they're good at! According to your post, you're not interested in either, so these are not the tyres for you. Look at Michelin Pilot Powers or Pirelli Diabli Rosso, etc, etc.
Agree with MadDog on this. I have used all of the above Bridgetone tyres and, although grip is great, I find the 023's the worst of the Bridgstone range so far. Also had a set of PR2's but for some reason did get on well with them. Took me ages to scrub them in aswell.
I currently have Michelin Pilot Powers on my Gen 2 FZ1 and they grip very well in the dry but do not seem as good in the wet. Also a much steeper profile than the touring tyres mentioned so the bike tips into corners faster than I'm used too :\
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wont post my opinion again
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wont post my opinion again
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wont post my opinion again
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its amazing how 2 different riders will love or hate a tyre...but that is the answer...its all subjective.Just as with choice of bikes, tyre choice is very much down to the individual.
For my part I do rate the 023s for 2 reasons-
1. in the wet ,in cold damp alps last year they gripped superbly, they aint racing wets but they grip reallywell, and in only just damp conditions were very confidence inspiring. The so called intermediate riding conditions which unsettle many a rider.
2. On a trackday they bobbled up at the edges like a sport styre..the grip is unbelievable. Way way ahead of the 020.I accept that many riders wont ever use them to such a degree, but I have seen what they can do, and am secure in the knowledge they wont break away at big lean.
coupled with very good mileage ( 4500 to 5000 from a rear) , they do me very well.
Havent tried the PR3, but at michelin prices, probably wont either !
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The last tyre's I bought were Dunlop TT100 front Avon Roadrunner rear but I guess things have moved on. Currently running BT020's and they're better than me :rolleyes
Andy
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I have just had a set of BT020's approx two weeks old. I did a track day on them and they were great.Gave me lots of grip and Gave me lots of Confidence and I felt very safe on them. ,, A new set of tyres whatever make feel good after the old ones start to square off.
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Try the 023, because it is a next generation tyre compared to 020. Just a much better compound mix IMHO, well worth the slight extra spend.I have had dozens of 020 over last 14 yrs on my bikes, I can tell the difference.Its got the grip of a sport styre with the longevity of a touring tyre. Perfect for the road. AND I also rate the dunlop roadsmarts, very similar performance.
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Just replaced my rear 023 for the MOT it lasted less than 3000 miles so that's 25% less mileage than I was getting from the Avon Storm II's. I made the switch because the Storm Front was wearing oddly and I wasn't the only one who had the issue.
With the 023's the bike was slower to tuck in than the Storms and at first I didn't like this but after a while of getting used to them they grew on me offering the usual Bridgestone feeling of predictable and confident handling, they did feel grippier than the storms but I'm not sure this warrents the 25% shorter lifespan.
Next tyre change will be both wheels so I'll be giving a pair of PR2s a go.
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Apologies, I know there are plenty of threads on tyres but struggling to find the comparison I'm after.
Fairly new to on-road riding and still finding my feet but my Gen1 is in need of a new set of rubber.
So...
I am not a commuter, summer tours and quick blasts into North Wales, dry weather only..
Not too worried about how long they last, I am not going to skimp on tyres and it's grip I'm after not longevity (though obviously that would be nice too!)..
Looking through posts looks like BT023 Vs PR3
Can anyone help with what would suit me best? Or have I missed a tyre that would fit the bill better?
Realise it's very subjective but I don't have enough experience to make the call myselp, I just want plenty of grip around those Welsh corners!
Also, best place to get them fitted in or around Chester?
Thanks in advance.... :)
I put Pirelli Angel ST on my Gen 1 Fazer two years and 12,000 miles ago, they still had plenty of wear left when I sold it after riding in all weathers, never gave me a moments doubt. Tried Pirelli Corsa III dual compound on R1 good wear but didn't warm up enough in the winter, came off twice in cold freezing conditions :( [/size][/color]went back to Diablo's and still had god wear and much better grip.[/font]
[/size][/color]Planning to try Angel ST on Gen 2 Fazer, has Metzlers on which will need replacing soon as they were squaring off when I bought the bike, finding them fine too.[/font]
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The PR2 has been the best I've fitted on the Thou. Nearly 7000 miles out of a pair and consistent grip/steering right to the end.
Maybe not the ultimate in wet weather grip (if you believe the marketing hype about the latest generation of tyres) but available cheaper now.
Hope your right Mike...just had a pair fitted yesterday after seeing 7k miles out of my Avon Storm Ultra 2s but just fancied a change! Still got the compulsory 4'' wide chicken strips until I get a few miles on them. I have to say I had no problems with the Avons as some others have had.
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My only annoyance with these big milages are squaring off, I'm now going around a few roundabouts to try and keep them rounded. The problem with all the motorway usage I suppose?
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I've had a set of PR3s on my gen1 for over 6,000 miles now & they still have loads of tread left, I reckon they'll easily be good for over 10,000 which amazes me considering how grippy they are particularly in the wet, I've never gotten much more than 6k out ot a set of bike tyres before.
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how do you get 10k out of a rear ??...FFs, I am chuffed if I get 5 ! :lol
dont think a PR3 would last me 10 k for sure....
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how do you get 10k out of a rear ??...FFs, I am chuffed if I get 5 ! :lol
dont think a PR3 would last me 10 k for sure....
Fecked if I know! :D
That's what amazes me about the PR3, these have done over 6k & normally I'd have replaced at least the rear by now but somehow there's still plenty of life left in them. It's not just me either, I know of other people getting similar big mileages & like yourself was sceptical about the claims until I tried them myself.
To be honest even if I only got 4k from them I'd probably still buy another set as the grip particularly in the wet is so good. It amuses me when people say they won't buy them 'cos they cost a few quid more when the fact that they last so long means they're probably one of the cheapest tyre options out there. :)
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I have just had a set of BT020's approx two weeks old. I did a track day on them and they were great.Gave me lots of grip and Gave me lots of Confidence and I felt very safe on them. ,, A new set of tyres whatever make feel good after the old ones start to square off.
Where'd you get them from? NEW? What's the manufacture date on the sidewalls, 'cos must admit, I swear by the 020's, but they're old stock aren't they? May try 23's soon, but am looking at buying another 020 rear 'cos front's still okay.
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Hi just checked Bridgestone web site ( http://www.bridgestonebikersclub.co.uk/index.php (http://www.bridgestonebikersclub.co.uk/index.php) )
and by the look of it they still offer bt020's new
I will check tomorrow while at work
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Thanks Bigsteve, I've sent a message to 'GARY' their resident expert and have asked about availability - the 020 may still be sold in places but according to the Bridgestone website, they're not on the recommended list for the Fazer1000!!??!! I'll let you know when I get the reply.
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Its alaff aint it !...just how many fazer owners have had 020 s on their bikes...maybe hundreds of thousands of biking miles, without incident.
FFS dont listen to them !...I can heartily endorse the 023, have been using them for last 2 yrs on my fazer , my third set now.Outstanding edge grip, have ground out even the crash bobbins it leans so far.
I will look to try PR3s, but if they dont last significantly longer than 5 k , they are not worth another £40 extra a pair ( which is what my tyre dealers are quoting). TBH all tyres have gone up this year, but Michelins have always been dearer in my locale.I do take yer point about the economic evaluation...but I also factor in how I use my tyres, and I just have never had any grippy tyre last over 5k.Must be my throttle happy hand ! :lol
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http://www.visordown.com/features/michelin-pilot-road-3-1800-mile-tyre-review/18694.html (http://www.visordown.com/features/michelin-pilot-road-3-1800-mile-tyre-review/18694.html)
Will this help from the professionals?
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http://www.ridermagazine.com/gear/pirelli-angel-st-motorcycle-tires-review.htm (http://www.ridermagazine.com/gear/pirelli-angel-st-motorcycle-tires-review.htm)
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Just had a 023 fitted on the front,, will let you know how that goes..
Still got the 21 on the back for another few weeks
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did some checking BT020's are still available due to being OEM tyres for certain models of motorcycles but not showing for fzs 1000
but sizes for Gen1 are available but there are different suffix's to each model there made for
eg Kawasaki zzr1200 is BT020 AA !!!!!! :(
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If memory serves me right, the BT-020 fitment for the Fazer was not the same as the 'standard' BT-020 offered for general sale. Something to do with the stiffness of the carcass. Can't recall the nomenclature but suffice to say that tyres have moved on a good way since then. Now't wrong with the original 020 (infinitely better than the MEZ4 the Fazer first came fitted with) but why would you want to fit a 10-year old design of tyre?
FWIW, I have a pair of BT-023 in the garage right now ready to fit to an FJR1300. Compared with the new PR2s awaiting fitting to my Fazer, the Bridgestones are a helluva lot stiffer in the carcass construction than the Michelins. Interesting to compare the two types side by side in this way.
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If the BT023's you've got are BT023GT's they are stiffer carcass by design for heavier bikes
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(http://thekneeslider.com/images/michelinairless.jpg)Do they look like this :b
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If the BT023's you've got are BT023GT's they are stiffer carcass by design for heavier bikes
Yeah and I put one on by mistake, it has less feel than the normal 023 it replaced (rear) and took a lot longer to heat up. Once warm it griped as well as the non gt 023 just less give. Allways felt over inflated even when I tried at 10 psi under for a while.
The 023 normals are very good. I now have pr3s on and they to are very good. Both heat up fast, grip well wet or dry. (might give the 023 the edge in wet for feel) now just waiting to see how they wear.
Also have a track day on 19th that will give it a good seeing to LOL.
Both are excellent tyres just avoid the GT 023.
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If the BT023's you've got are BT023GT's they are stiffer carcass by design for heavier bikes
Just went and checked - yes, you're right. GTs. I hope the bloody things go on easily enough. ;)
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Grandma
Ref visordown test of PR3...after 1800 miles of hard use they reckon the tyre is " half worn"...so they aint gonna get 10k out of theirs!
Its like I say, its how you use your bike. If like me ,I do like to use all 139 of my ponies...no tyre will last beyond 5k miles. As such its not realistic to claim all riders will get anywhere near 10k out of a rear.
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Quite a fight with the BT-023 GTs today. Bastidges! :D
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Quite a fight with the BT-023 GTs today. Bastidges! :D
Are they tougher than removing a Dunlop TT100? I used to hacksaw those things off in my youth, no joke.
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visions do rush through my mind of " earnest bodger" ........ :lol
its on a par with skewering the oil filter with a screwdriver...brutal ...but has to be done sometimes... :\
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CURVEBALL / HIJACK;
But has anyone tried the Metzeler Z8s yet?
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I've had 020s, 021s and 023s on my Thous, and Conti Road Attacks. Currently got Pilot Road 3s.
020s were a million times better than the OEM Metzeler MEZ4s (not difficult - worlds worst tyre)/ I took them round Snetterton and bobbled them up nicely.
021s were grippier than the 020s but didn't last as long
023s were somehow a mix of the two, warmed up fairly quickly, nice neutral profile, OK in wet. Lasted maybe 8000 (rear)
Only had the MPR3s for a couple of thousand miles, but they are really nice. Neutral and confidence inspiring, look hardly worn after about 2000 miles, warm up in about 500 yards or something, and are really good in the wet (which does matter to me). They do look a bit odd with their wet weather tread pattern, seems to attract comments - some love the look some hate it. So long as they do the job I don't care! I would say they're my favourite tyre yet, but then I don't push them as hard as, say, Pitternator.
I'm not a knee-down demon, more of a commuter/tourer/backroads Sunday blaster, but as someone said, the tyres we commute on nowadays are better than what Barry Sheene and Eddie Lawson raced on back in the day, so you pays yer money and takes yer choice.
BTW Mike, I think the BT020 suffix/nomenclature was 'U' IIRC.
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well the PR3's were fantastic on the brands hatch GP track day. bobbled up nicely and the only time i had ANY trouble from them was when going in to westfield i had a blowout and ended up in the gravel trap lol.
but the tyre had not let go, the valve stem had snapped off.
as a side note if you have those tyre preasure checker valve caps throw the fuckers away NOW before they kill you. :'(
Oh and PS i kept it upright in the gravel even with a flat tyre :) but i dont think my pants will ever come clean again.
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Just been doing the search thing on tyres as my PR3's are fecked. Rear has squared a bit and the front during my last few outings has worn quicker on the right hand side and it's 'rough' looking, this is after 3000 miles and I am noooooo Valentino. Even when the tyres were in good shape I never felt that happy with the front, it felt that it was stepping out when pushing through a corner.
I am fitting 023's on Tuesday which I was lucky to get at a good price from a fellow foccer (new). What are peoples opinions now on these 2 makes of tyres now ?
Cheers, Russ
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What does it matter what peoples opinions are now you have bought them :lol
BT30 is the latest sport touring and are supposed to be excellent, they even have Valentino in the advert :pokefun .
I have just put some Dunlop Roadsmart 2's on my Gen 1 and very happy so far (my Roadsmart 1's lasted nearly 7000 miles for rear)
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The PR2 has been the best I've fitted on the Thou. Nearly 7000 miles out of a pair and consistent grip/steering right to the end.
Maybe not the ultimate in wet weather grip (if you believe the marketing hype about the latest generation of tyres) but available cheaper now.
Funny, I find PR2s great in the wet, barely have to change the way I ride. I think some of this good tyre thing is psychological - if you believe in the tyres you're on, you'll get on with them better. Same thing works for riding in general. If you're confident in your abilities, you'll be able to go faster/corner harder etc.
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What does it matter what peoples opinions are now you have bought them :lol
Not a helluva lot, but this post was started last September and there are loads of new members on here since then who may have more to add to the pot for members in the future, or anyone else looking in for that matter :smokin :)
BT30 is the latest sport touring and are supposed to be excellent, they even have Valentino in the advert :pokefun .
Shit, Ive not seen the advert yet. I love him so much I can't shite :pokefun
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I fitted T30s on Saterday and I had completly forgotten I had new tyres on within a couple of miles. Ok, it was ideal conditions, fresh rubber on warm roads and taking it (quite) handy as my missus was on the back, but I have never got used to new tyres that fast before.
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Jusr replaced my pilot road 1's with the 3's and am impressed so far, I'm no corner demon but have got nearer the edge with these than on any previous tyre. Tip in is more pronounced than the 1's but they were a little square so it could just be new tyre-itis but not gone out in the wet yet so only dry impressions so far.
Tomo
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pirelli angels £160
good enough to go to Rome and back, and get the knee down after that.
imo most of the modern ST tyres are far better than any of us as riders for road use.
heard a few horror stories re:pr3's chunking up the rears
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5155/5794397648_2e568e6844_z.jpg)
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My bro-in-law had a set of angel st's on his tuned up mille. He rides like a demon, and is hardly off the throttle, hence why the rear lasted him only 2k :o
Damn good tyres. I'm on a contimotion rear on the fz1, and I can edge them out with loadsa grip! Modern st tyres are great, why would you buy full on sport rubber? :-\
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I upgraded from bt021 to bt023 st version , the improvement is amazing , never tried the pr3 so couldn't compare , but would definitely recommend the bto23 .
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Just ask at your tyre shop what the most popular tyre is - they'll tell you its the Pr3's - for good reason.
Bridgestones always have a problem with squaring off, you don't get that so much with the Michelins.
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BT023s really do change the feel of the bike as they wear and square off. The steering feels very slow and measured when they're new, 2000 miles in they feel neutral then the last 2000 you really have to hold the inside bar to prevent the bike flopping into the slow corners. Personally, I don't mind this because I can really chuck it on it's side when they're worn.
Still think they edge out the alternatives I've tried and they are very predictable in the wet. Which is pretty much the last 14 months of UK riding, if memory serves. Actually, I know for that for a fact. From April 21st last year, there were 96 days of rain in next hundred. I know because I'd just bought a new bike. Growl.
Isn't it bliss at the moment? I swear I've slowed down this week because it's been so nice. It's like being tickled by angels feeling the warm wind rushing through my air vents.
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have been running PR3 on my GS 1200 now since february, am on second rear in 5k miles( changed for the june austria tour, so not fully worn out), front still about half worn after 5k..Basically all I can tell you is its the best wet weather tyre I have ever known since passing me test in 1976, period. On the GS I can corner hard in full confidance almost as fast as in the dry.An unbelievable tyre in poor conditions. Way way better even than the 023 which I do rate highly.In the dry its not as impressive as the 023 which have a very soft side tread, but still enuff to scrape sidestand and pegs, which is all you can ask really.
Will be fitting them to fazer in due course , but am running some z6s to use them up( not as grippy as 023 but passable), still have a part worn set of 023 to use up then too...so its probably next year for that now.
But now all tyre sseem to have moved on yet again, so we is talking about " old" tyres ! :lol
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T 30's getting a good write up in MCN
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I'm looking at T30's next. They look really good so far, promise of big mileage, and big grip!
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My bro-in-law had a set of angel st's on his tuned up mille. He rides like a demon, and is hardly off the throttle, hence why the rear lasted him only 2k :o
Damn good tyres. I'm on a contimotion rear on the fz1, and I can edge them out with loadsa grip! Modern st tyres are great, why would you buy full on sport rubber? :-\
Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
[/size][/color]Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes [/font]
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Had both on a couple bikes now - I prefer the dry grip on the 23s as with the PR3s if you're getting on a bit with a powerful bike you can feel the tyre flexing slightly - apparently its due to the water slits. That said, the PR3s are amazing in the wet, to the point where back on my Ninja 9 with Nissin 6 pots I had a few unintentional stoppies in the pouring rain. I also prefer the slightly more pointed shape of the Pilots, helps them tip into corners a bit quicker and feel a bit more stable.
The two I'll be going for next I think though will be the Pirelli Angel and the new dunlop road ones, can't remember the name but had them recommended to me by a few mates now as a ST tyre you can genuinely do track days on
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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes
Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.
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I've got a T30 on the front, total control!
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021's were truly dreadful. The pair I had wore very badly, the front was diabolical. 023's are sublime. I had a fantastic ride into work at 5 this morning in the peeing rain with no dramas.
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+1 on the 021, hence why they superceded it quickly! Had a pair on my R1, and the front let go a few times :o
Got a set on my thundercat I bought yesterday, can't wait to get rid of them. I'll have a set of maxxis diamonds on it next, a very underrated tyre!
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Angel st update
now done 6k (which for me is unheard of).
Still got 2.5mm on the rear and i can only get it to spin up if i provoke it above 7k rpm.
Front is at 3mm but has worn badly at part lean angles so feels horrible tipping in.
I know what tyres i'll be using on my track day!
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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes
Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.
Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!
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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes
Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.
Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!
Manufacturers don't stock pile tyres for years. They go hard and that would be a legal death warrant if anyone crashed on them.
Did you see the article in Bike a few months back about Avon. They said that even old models of tyres are updated with new compounds and technology over their lifetime, so even if BT021s are still being sold, chances are they are different and better than the ones we remember from 6-7 years ago.
I hope so. As everyone has said, they were not very good at all….
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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes
Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.
Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!
Manufacturers don't stock pile tyres for years. They go hard and that would be a legal death warrant if anyone crashed on them.
Did you see the article in Bike a few months back about Avon. They said that even old models of tyres are updated with new compounds and technology over their lifetime, so even if BT021s are still being sold, chances are they are different and better than the ones we remember from 6-7 years ago.
I hope so. As everyone has said, they were not very good at all….
I think someone may have been mistaken. I don't doubt that the F8 came with BT 020, but that is the generic name for all Bridgestone Sport Touring tyres before the T30, and that might have been what the people you asked were answering. Bridgestone stopped making BT021's before the F8 was invented, so Yamaha could not have bought any from them. Yes of course Avon, Bridgestone and the rest improve their products through out their life, but not after they stop making them.
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A friend has just bought a 750 VFR with new 021's on them & he has found the same without any prompting from me as I was interested to see what he thought as he is very experienced & he can't wait to change them only done 1500 miles
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I'm about to get a T30 for the back and just bought a VFR 1200 with Dunlops on.
I'll probably be changing to T30's on the viffer as the Dunlop on the back is near shagged at 2900 mls
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Loved the Pirelli Angel ST, had them on my Gen 1 Fazer 1000 now on Fazer 8 which came with BT021's which I hated, as front kept feeling as if it was going to let go.
Suppose in a lot of ways depends how you ride and what sort of mileage you do, found ST's also lasted well and didn't really square off as much as Bridgestone's :rolleyes
Are you sure the Fazer 8 came with 021's? They were discontinued before the F8 was even invented.
Quite definitely, checked with Yamaha and local tyre place who said they were put on as Original Equipment, sounds like they were probably trying to shift them, but rather shortsighted as could have put less determined riders off the bike!
Manufacturers don't stock pile tyres for years. They go hard and that would be a legal death warrant if anyone crashed on them.
Did you see the article in Bike a few months back about Avon. They said that even old models of tyres are updated with new compounds and technology over their lifetime, so even if BT021s are still being sold, chances are they are different and better than the ones we remember from 6-7 years ago.
I hope so. As everyone has said, they were not very good at all….
I think someone may have been mistaken. I don't doubt that the F8 came with BT 020, but that is the generic name for all Bridgestone Sport Touring tyres before the T30, and that might have been what the people you asked were answering. Bridgestone stopped making BT021's before the F8 was invented, so Yamaha could not have bought any from them. Yes of course Avon, Bridgestone and the rest improve their products through out their life, but not after they stop making them.
Har!
Have to say I was surprised that they were still available following the post, but I didn't check. It is surprising which olde worlde tyres are still available though, like the Avon Speedmaster and BT-56s. I thought they were long gone.
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A friend has just bought a 750 VFR with new 021's on them & he has found the same without any prompting from me as I was interested to see what he thought as he is very experienced & he can't wait to change them only done 1500 miles
Ask him to check the data of manufacture of the tyres, it will be embossed on the sidewall, then he will know how 'new' the tyres are.
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023's on the FZ, not pushed them yet .
Had Angel ST's on my K1300R, seemed to last well enough without any dramas.
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I've had BT020, 021, 022 and 023. I've also had PR2's and PR3's. Now I've got Metzeler Z8's.
All of these were chosen for longevity and wet-weather grip. THAT's what they're good at! According to your post, you're not interested in either, so these are not the tyres for you. Look at Michelin Pilot Powers or Pirelli Diabli Rosso, etc, etc.
Yep! Get s my vote. I would go with what Mad Dog suggests. :) Dry grip, there the chappy's.
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A friend has just bought a 750 VFR with new 021's on them & he has found the same without any prompting from me as I was interested to see what he thought as he is very experienced & he can't wait to change them only done 1500 miles
Ask him to check the data of manufacture of the tyres, it will be embossed on the sidewall, then he will know how 'new' the tyres are.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120-70-17-180-55-17-ZR-Bridgestone-Battlax-BT021-FAZER-1000-Motorcycle-Tyres-/301066892816?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item4618fc3610 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120-70-17-180-55-17-ZR-Bridgestone-Battlax-BT021-FAZER-1000-Motorcycle-Tyres-/301066892816?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item4618fc3610)
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A friend has just bought a 750 VFR with new 021's on them & he has found the same without any prompting from me as I was interested to see what he thought as he is very experienced & he can't wait to change them only done 1500 miles
Ask him to check the data of manufacture of the tyres, it will be embossed on the sidewall, then he will know how 'new' the tyres are.
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120-70-17-180-55-17-ZR-Bridgestone-Battlax-BT021-FAZER-1000-Motorcycle-Tyres-/301066892816?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item4618fc3610[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120-70-17-180-55-17-ZR-Bridgestone-Battlax-BT021-FAZER-1000-Motorcycle-Tyres-/301066892816?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item4618fc3610[/url])
Same advice as before, ask him to check the date of manufacture of the tyres, it will be embossed on the sidewall, then he will know how 'new' the tyres are.Did you also notice that they were his 'last' pair for sale?