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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: MadDogMcQ on 24 August 2012, 07:28:58 pm
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Just collected my bike after having the "Ivan's Slip-On Mod" done. I rode it home with the original exhaust on and then I fitted the new BlueFlame TwinPort silencer. With standard exhaust, the main difference seemed to be top-end rush, and with the BlueFlame on, I'm concerned that my judgement is being influenced by that gorgeous sound!
So I'm gonna wait a few days before coming out with my opinion of it. I've also had the Z8 tyres and a new chain and sprockets fitted. Oh, and one of those R&G ShockTubes to keep the rear shock in good nick.
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looks superb madDog how much you paid for shock sock??
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Errr, I think it was £24. Check on eBay.
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Mad dog
Just had mine done and have only just tried it with std exhaust. Like yourself found what felt like a stronger top end rush, just got to get the end can fitted and see what its like on a good run out.
I have another thread running, ref this as I fitted the kit myself but did notice a very slight surging at low revs whilst idling along through 30mph speed limits , have you experianced this.
Love the sock!
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Nice. :)
That can takes me back a full decade. It was the first can I fitted to the Fazer post-Ivanising. Followed it with another Blueflame (Tri-oval titanium), then a Mivv Carbon GP before getting the full Akra system.
That oval twin-port Blueflame sounded and ran great.
Enjoy! :D
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No Lingy - no probs with surging. I thought I detected a flat-spot once around 4k but I couldn't duplicate it, so it just might have been my imagination. It's funny how you read into things when you've just altered something on your bike. I'm trying to remain caml and objective. According to some, the difference is immediately noticeable and claim "Night & Day" difference, but that's not the case with mine. I wonder if pre-2003 owners notice the low-end difference more?
Anyway, it sounds fabbo and goes superbly, so I'll leave it at that for the mo. The mechanic at BMW (http://www.boltonmotorcycleworkshop.co.uk/) (another plug Rusty :lol ), gave me back the old needles, jets and spring-ends. He also gave me throttle-play which wasn't there previously. I know it's the right amount according to the manual, but it's a change that is getting in the way of me evaluating things. Like I said, a few more days and I'll be better placed to comment.
One thing's for sure - the Exup Valve is rattling! I'm not sure why, but I'm gonna have a word because it wasn't like this before.
Oh and Mike - yes the BF is a cracker. Had two before.
Tom.
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Thers an odd thing, when I started mine the first thing I noticed when letting it warm up was a rattle from around the exup valve area, not there all the time just when it feels like it.
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I was just wondering if it's because there's a significant amount of backpressure gone now that I've fitted the BlueFlame (I've got one baffle out). I might stick the baffle back in and see if it alters the rattle.
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According to some, the difference is immediately noticeable and claim "Night & Day" difference, but that's not the case with mine. I wonder if pre-2003 owners notice the low-end difference more?
That was the case with my 2001. The top end rush was improved as you've found, but it was the snap throttle response at any revs that was the revelation and the real 'night and day' difference. That comes from clipping the carb springs, I believe, so maybe yours hasn't had this done, or maybe they weren't clipped to the right length ie short enough. Certainly, snapping the throttle open at 2500 revs is enough to lift the front and that never happened prior to Ivanising, and it's much more responsive to the throttle than it was too.
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2004 full monty on mine with a blue flame oval twin port. i find it runs best with top port baffel in and bottom port open.
had 2 blue flames on it now, well 3 if you include the one i cut down for a stubby to :P now that DID sound good lol but didnt last long.
i cant say i noticed a night and day change with top end but thats because i went from a dyno jet kit to ivans. what i did notice was a much smoother and cleaner mid range and low end. (the dyno kit really fucked up the low end)
its now perfectly smooth from 3k - red line
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One thing's for sure - the Exup Valve is rattling! I'm not sure why, but I'm gonna have a word because it wasn't like this before.
Ditto. Mine rattles like a bugger since he serviced it. I told myself it's probably operating a bit more freely now it's all been stripped and greased as it never was that noisy before. How many miles are on your new tyres now? Be cautious when evaluating your power increase. :lol
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Don't worry Pete - I'm very mindful of the fact that I've got new rubber and 150BHP :lol
Yours rattles too, huh? I might remove it and see what's going on. I wonder if there's too much play in the Exup cables, allowing the valve to flutter?
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....That comes from clipping the carb springs, I believe, so maybe yours hasn't had this done, or maybe they weren't clipped to the right length ie short enough...
Hi AyJay,
The springs were clipped to the correct (updated) length - 4 coils off. As I said in the original post, the mechanic game me back the spring-ends which he'd removed. The throttle is indeed "snappy" when you blip the throttle.
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Dunno, but he balanced my carbs and stripped the exup so I would have thought he'd have checked the cable play too? I also now have some very annoying vibes through the left footrest at around 80mph that weren't there before, don't know what's causing those? The two covers for the swing arm bolts almost vibed out the other day!
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Hmmm, that's not good. I'm off to the caravan tomorrow and then on a charity rideout on Monday (pissing down), so I won't be able to do anything until Monday night. I'll let you know how I get on. Pop over if you want.
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I thought the chain might be misadjusted thus causing the vibes but I checked it and it looks ok. I've no idea what it is? I just happened to look at one of those chrome covers for the swinger bolts after a 120 mile ride and it was sticking out, popped it back in and looked at the other one and that was coming out too! Lost a rear numberplate bolt as well. :rolleyes
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Hi AyJay,
The springs were clipped to the correct (updated) length - 4 coils off. As I said in the original post, the mechanic game me back the spring-ends which he'd removed. The throttle is indeed "snappy" when you blip the throttle.
Well, there you go. One idea shot down!
I'm still curious though. When I did mine (did it myself), it really was like getting a new engine, and that's with a slip on kit and standard exhaust. It revs out much harder and although I don't think peak is more than 5-7bhp more, it goes harder and longer from 7000 up. But from 2000 to 7000, it's more linear in response and snappier. It feels like it's alive compared to a standard bike. Ivan talks about 'waking bikes up' and that's exactly what I feel with his kit installed.
I take it you aren't getting that . . .
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Rusty
The full monty does alter the character of the engine from a genial power delivery to something like the original R1( that was even more aggressive ! ). When the first R1 came out , blade owners were chopping theirs in to get one...it was groundbreaking at the time...amazing how Yam " tamed" that out for the FZS...
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I too noticed a vibration patch just at one point , didnt feel it before installation, mine was around 60 ish mph. But nearly 4 yrs on, I have settled into it and dont concern myself about it. .The awesome increase in midrange the full monty gives is more than compo for that.At 4k rpm in top it really does accelerate like the stock bike in 3rd !
Maybe check carbs are synched OK..I have found they go off and need checking at least once a year.
In spite of the vibe patch , nothing has ever come undone on the bike in 4 yrs...
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Only ducati's vibe to a point bits start failing off !!!!
My gen1 has some vibes in the pegs at certain rpm and I've checked and done everything ie balanced carbs to perfect, torqued engine mounts, one thing i noticed the vibes seem to be transmitted thro the exhaust if I remove the rear exhaust strap totally, there is hardly any vibes, however I live with it as it's only noticeable when doing long touring miles at a consistent speed.
The Full monty, after balancing my carbs even being slightly out made a massive difference it now pulls very hard and super smooth from low down and than there is a turbine rush its like everything behind me as stopped it gives me the giggles it's bloody that quick and the howl of the miv gp as I ping up the box with the quick shifter it's addictive.
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Only ducati's vibe to a point bits start failing off !!!!
I'm looking to get a Ducati next as it happens, maybe the Fazer is preparing me for ownership. :lol
The vibes I have come through the left footrest yet there's none in the right one. This happened after I just had the carbs balanced and exup greased. Mine isn't Ivanised yet. This is the second issue I've had with vibes on this bike, I had them in the handlebars last time and the culprit was traced to an oscilating fender extender. Just had two new tyres fitted and the wheels balanced so there are so many factors that might have caused the new vibes.
The temptation would be to blame the chain but it looks ok, and it's aligned and tensioned correctly. If it was a Ducati I'd call it 'character', but as it's a fazer I want the vibes gone! :lol [size=78%] [/size]
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I managed to have a good rideout yesterday afternoon. First thing to say, is the Exup rattle has completely disappeared. :rolleyes Go figure it!
As for the Ivanising, I am happy to report that everything is tickety-boo. IMHO the transformation isn't night and day, but it is significant. Much more responsive all-round and definitely bonkers top end. In all situations, she just picks up her skirt much more readily and really gets a lick on. Nice and tractable around town. Starting is marginally better.
This kit (with 3rd party installation) cost me £250. Was it worth it? Well, during a recession and at a time when I also had to buy new tyres, chain and sprocket, I felt like I was being frivolous, but in all other circumstances I would consider it good value. It's basically the same cost as a pair of good tyres. On other bikes, I've had Power Commanders fitted and paid for multiple Dyno runs to tune it, so in that respect, it's a good buy.
If you do the installation work yourself, then it's a no-brainer! Top Value!!
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Tom
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That's good news then. I'll order my Ivan's kit as soon as I get back from soaking up the Spanish sun. :)
I don't think Ivanised bikes fetch any more than standard when it comes to selling them on, but that could be said for most aftermarket add ons. As I see it the enhanced riding experience reported while owning the bike makes the mod worthwhile, so looking at it that way it isn't at all frivolous.
I wonder if your mpg figures will change at all? Given that the mods (and accompanying blue flame soundtrack) might encourage more spirited riding they could fall I suppose, but that won't be down to the kit but due to different usage.
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The standard bike for me, was a faff to start not knowing if choke was needed, there also was a surge from 2k revs as you opened the throttle . This was really annoying especially 2up. The engine felt throttled and restricted.
When Mike fitted my full monty and I went for a test ride it felt totally transformed .
It's been the best mod since derestricting my old 2 strokes all those years ago.
Apart from easier starting, I have less vibes, no surging and instant power from tickover right to the redline. The midrange any gear any revs is where it becomes addictive. The top end rush is not unfamilar apart from airbox roar of my gixxer thou.
Fitting a full system has added to the urgency of that liberated engine find using 3rd more than 2nd, and use the flexibity like a elastic band.
On my bike I have removed the vibe deadening weights behind footrests and rubber pegs . Even my renthal bars use small bar ends. Can't report bad vibes.
The only thing I can say that may be causing vibes is poor carb balance, Mike did mine after doing the installation of the jetkit.
That must of been over 4 yrs ago now .
And in still one happy owner, well worth it. :)
Jacko
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Maddog your bike looks great, a credit to you, hope you enjoy it now jet kit fitted :)
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Maddog your bike looks great, a credit to you, hope you enjoy it now jet kit fitted :)
Thanks mate, but it's not the mintest bike I've had, by far! But it only owes me £2700 (plus recent mods), so unlike many other bikes I've owned, I'm not fussing over it all the time. If I get a scratch on it through a lazy leg-over, so what. Downpipes looking grubby? So what? I like this new attitude - I'm actually liking a bike for what it does instead of for how it looks :D
Having said that, if I had the money, I'd buy something like CaleTie's beauty.
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Maddog your bike looks great, a credit to you, hope you enjoy it now jet kit fitted :)
Having said that, if I had the money, I'd buy something like CaleTie's beauty.
Thx for the comment it's very pleasing when other peeps appreciate what you have done to a bike, and it gets a few admired looks when parked up, However I would have been a fool to part with it and deffo a stupid idea when it's worth moth balling rather than selling im so glad you lot gave me advice that really me really sit down and think otherwise I'd have regretted this one for sure.
Regarding vibes I think about every gen1 has em, short journeys and bimbling around you won't even feel them it's only when you sit a a certain high speed mine is in the 85 mph for long period ie to and fro the ferry, you most notice them the most, I did have them in my right throttle gave me white finger after long periods now I've change the ohlins top steering damper to a frame mount type there gone !! no doubt moved elsewhere, one thing I notice I can go out for couple hundred mile blast with a variety of short blasts and consistent speeds and not notice anything !!
Dave.
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You're right on that cable tie 80-85 is where it's at but go to 90+ and it's fine. Must be the famous inherent in-line four tingle I've read about, although I've had plenty in line 4's that never did it. Having said that I still think the best engine characteristics for me are those of the the big Triumph triple which is what I use as a yardstick, and I'm beginning to miss those. Never been happy at (relatively) revving the nuts of a thing to make it go.
Ooh...er, am I beginning to doubt the Fazer thou.[size=78%] [/size] :eek
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Must be the famous inherent in-line four tingle I've read about ...
I agree.
This motor has no balance shaft and although it's rubber-mounted, secondary vibes will always been present at certain revs.
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Its interesting cos in the 90s I suffred terribly with white finger from bar vibrations from pretty much all my bikes....eg My hand went numb just a few miles on a test ride of the VTR 1000....had to buy a VFR750 cos it was smoother! ( though I still got a bit numb)
Yet I never suffer with much vibes on a fazer , ridden 75 k miles on them, at all speeds...gentle bimbling to 150 mad cruise down the autobahn.Worst thing for me is sticking to french D road limits ( 50 to 60 mph), engine feels slightly rough , get vibes a tad in the bars, also through the right footpeg...dead smooth everywhere else.Its one reason I bought a touring bike and pushed the fazer into the fast bike role...that plus the daft amount of power even in top meant keeping to any limit on tours is a feat of throttlemanship ! lol ...yet even the dedicated comfy touring bike gives some vibes through the right footpeg, enuff to make me lift me foot off to cure it. So all bikes have some, somewhere in the rev range...
best bikes IMO for vibes which add character and no discomfort are definitely Triumph triples...
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It appears then judging from the comments that my bike isn't wrong - I am. :lol
To be honest the problem could easily be ridden around by simply going slightly faster or slower, so an adjustment in riding habits would cure it. I still tend to ride the bike like I did my Bandit 1200 or the Triumph triples I've owned, both of which had lots of lazy low down torque. As I get older (52) I tend to want more torque and less revs, I'm mostly satisfied at sane speeds these days and despite the odd burst of speed 'cos I can't help it officer' most of my town riding is done short shifting in the 5k rev area and that's bang on where the vibes are.
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These vibes then?
I thought that's what reminded me in sat on an engine, tingles yes, vibes no.
Numb hands get that after a while in the saddle. I thought this normal, as it's nowt compared to the pain you get at slow speed riding on the gixxer! :'(
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Jon, your new touring bike will get better with the miles it's a known fact as the engine runs in, mine did not have them however mine was far from standard and having a pc may have solved that issue you have with it !! also I note you say you use the gen 1 as your fast bike now, I'm sure on the new steed you will be able to cover the same rd not faster but quicker I'll put money on that.
If peeps want to try to eliminate the vibes visit the us forum they tried everything possible and i mean everything they go to extreme lengths to try to rectify the above it's a massive discussion over there and they still have em, they never go they just move elsewhere within the bike and so sometimes you will feel em less.
Dave.
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dave
It has bedded in very well, now 5k miles up.Thing is when the tourer is flat out m8( 130 )...the fazer is still accelerating ! lol
TBH on any road up to the ton the quicker steering of the tourer will be an advantage, especially in B roads, but the awesome shunt of the full monty at so little throttle openings is quite overwhelming, like having a giant hand shoving you forward .Having said that , do I really want to ride round everywhere at warp speed all the time...so thats where the tourer comes in cos it is definitely easier to just cruise on it. Vibe wise its about 85 mph where it can send me right foot to sleep now and then, but no great problem.
What I am pleased with the fazer is how well the K tech sussies have now bedded in, working really well, the ride quality is improving from the early days when I was so miffed.
Cant beat the electronic damping adjustment on the tourer though ! Must PM you cos I do fancy trying a PC3 on it...and losing the cat.
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Bike looks lovely mate, but you need to lose the chicken strips!! :D
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Don't worry Pete - I'm very mindful of the fact that I've got brand new rubber and 150BHP :lol
FAZERJON : :rolleyes
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Obviously I meant when the tyres are more scrubbed in. I wouldn't mind another Gen1 to be honest, a hell of a lot more comfortable than my Gen2. Trouble is I dont think I could justify (or afford) to add another bike to my fleet, I'm currently running the FZ1N, a 600 Hornet and building a 1200 Bandit Hardtail chop!! Enjoy your bike, take it easy (to start with!) :)
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Proudly placed my Ivans sticker tonight :D :thumbup