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General => General => Topic started by: know your limitations on 05 August 2012, 12:23:23 pm
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Had my Gen1 1000 on ebay for a week now here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160855044446?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_968wt_1186 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160855044446?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_968wt_1186)
and a bit longer on foc-u
Apart from 2 joke offers, not a sniff.
The obvious thing would be price but there's a "Make Offer" button if buyers disagree with what I'm asking for.
ANY suggestions, constructive or otherwise would be welcome.....
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Nice looking bike first off. I have the exact same problem when trying to sell my 600 recently. Bike trader was a total waste of time so i wouldn't even bother with that if i was you. i had many emails asking if i would ship it to Nigeria and "what my last price was"
In truth i do not think you are doing anything wrong i think the main thing is the weather has been rubbish and no one has any money..
If it helps as a point of reference the reason i was selling my 600 was because i got a mint 51 plate gen 1 with 5000 on the clock for £2950
Good luck in your sale..
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the market is dead.............end of.
unless you're prepared to swallow a pill on the deal then you'll be stuck with it.
realistically, with 35k on it you won't see north of 2K.
we all know the bike can do 100k, but to a punter who knows nothing about them they see that as high mileage.
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oh, and you have let chancers know you have to get shot of it.
reasons for sale are
a) too much bike for me
b) change of job means it won't be used
c) selling it for a dead mates wife (won't work if V5 is in your name)
d) only allowed 2/3/4 bikes at home, last in first out!
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I would have thought the price was fine as you will take an offer, but the market is all over the place.
Was in the new J&S place today, 2004 on a 54 Gen 1 blue with some dodgy stick on graphics £4295.
The weather is all over the place, pissing down again.
Have you tried phoning round a few dealers, or try to PX it against a used car, seen a few bikes in independent car dealers.
Don't bother with we buy any bike .com you will be lucky to get a grand.
Good luck with the sale
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I think it might be the mileage as well, sad fact as that is. Given the choice between a badly looked after bike with 15k on the clock and a meticulously serviced and treated one with 35k I'd know which one I would go for.
A useful tip is looking at the eBay completed listings for the thou, I've just done that out of curiosity and it paints an interesting picture, about 85% just haven't sold, and those that do seem to have been auctions that started with a low initial listing price. Maybe it's a price point thing, I know that I often search with my maximum amounts rounded up, £1k to £2k for example.
As has been said, it's a lovely looking bike in great condition (my 600 only looks that good in the dark, after it's rained, and it's foggy, if I squint a bit...) you really would think you would have had no problem in getting a buyer.
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im with sad git mate just bought a 02 mint but 50k on the clock 1400 quid
me i'd buy it £6,66 lol
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Why don't you "WATCH" similar bikes on eBay and see if they sell and for what price. Then analyse their adverts. See how they differ from yours - particularly in the description. I also think that Classified Adverts perform far less well than auctions. Start with a VERY attractive opening offer, and put a reserve on it if need be. Personally, I'd start the auction at the absolute least that you'd accept for the bike.
Just my opinion.
Tom
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Thanks guys for the input. Glad to see I'm not totally out with my approach to selling. Hard to know where to start with your responses but here goes.....
Have you tried phoning round a few dealers
Did that prior to advertising, to try for a no-nonsense sale..... The £1800 best offer by a bike dealer for a straight purchase is looking more attractive by the day :'(
oh, and you have let chancers know you have to get shot of it.
I have put that I'm only selling because I really need a car.
Didn't stop one clown asking if I'd take his 1998 VFR 800 plus £500!?
me i'd buy it £6,66 lol
Thought I recognised the ebay name Luke. I take it you received my auto decline for your offer :lol
If I'd accepted your £6.66 for a whole bike, that would have made the belly pan you bought off me, the most expensive piece of plastic ever :eek
I also think that Classified Adverts perform far less well than auctions.
In my experience, Classifieds with best offer on Ebay always get me what I want and make the best sense cost and timewise.
£16 one-off fee for 28 days, no final value fee, plus you can weed out the nonsense automatically with your offer acceptance parameters.
AND you don't have to wait til the end of an auction only to be told lots of BS excuses for why the winning bidder can't proceed. :rolleyes
I'm gonna stick to my guns for now. My previous bikes have taken about 3 weeks to sell for what I wanted. It's just that I normally have a LOT more (reasonably) decent offers to consider before the right one comes along.
I'll put it down to the Olympics... for now ;)
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You wanted honest opinions so I'd make the following points
1) Get rid of the colour and formatting of the advert, it's not necessary. A clean, straight forward advert will help sell the bike.
2) Your price is ok for a dealer but too high for a private sale. I paid a lot less for a great 03 plate 13k mile FZS600 a few months back
3) You say new tyres but you also say they have done 2500 miles, choose one line and drop the other
4) No service history, some may be wary. Got any receipts or anything that might back up the servicing?
5) Drop the bit about the matrimonial issues, you need a car - end of.
6) Slim the whole advert down, if folk are initially interested they will ask about the detail
7) "When I say totally reliable I MEAN it. I would go anywhere on this bike tomorrow without hesitation." again drop this, it's unnecessary and smacks of desperation
Hope you take the above as constructive and good luck with the sale, she looks in great condition. Let the pics speak for themselves except for the cam cover pic that shows corrosion, drop it.
Bob
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You wanted honest opinions so I'd make the following points
1) Get rid of the colour and formatting of the advert, it's not necessary. A clean, straight forward advert will help sell the bike.
2) Your price is ok for a dealer but too high for a private sale. I paid a lot less for a great 03 plate 13k mile FZS600 a few months back
3) You say new tyres but you also say they have done 2500 miles, choose one line and drop the other
4) No service history, some may be wary. Got any receipts or anything that might back up the servicing?
5) Drop the bit about the matrimonial issues, you need a car - end of.
6) Slim the whole advert down, if folk are initially interested they will ask about the detail
7) "When I say totally reliable I MEAN it. I would go anywhere on this bike tomorrow without hesitation." again drop this, it's unnecessary and smacks of desperation
Hope you take the above as constructive and good luck with the sale, she looks in great condition. Let the pics speak for themselves except for the cam cover pic that shows corrosion, drop it.
Bob
Cheers Bob!
Some of your points actioned immediately.
Left the price as there's a Make Offer button if anyone disagrees.
Left in the corrosion pic. The bike isn't mint and saves time with nasty surprises.
Left the general size and detail of the ad. Can't be ar5ed answering simple questions plus it annoys the hell out of me when sellers omit basic details.
Thanks for your input! (When I say that, I MEAN it!) :lol
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That's better. Good luck. :thumbup
Bob
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oh, and you have let chancers know you have to get shot of it.
reasons for sale are
a) too much bike for me
b) change of job means it won't be used
c) selling it for a dead mates wife (won't work if V5 is in your name)
d) only allowed 2/3/4 bikes at home, last in first out!
Best bet is take a picture with wife/gf half naked astride the bike that will do the job, seems to work for others.
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On a serious note take a look of the 2001 blue (the best colour) bike a couple places from yours on eBay bike is in Maidstone kent 30k on the clock, nice reg plate evo ! has genuine belly pan, twin high level cans, genuine yam touring screen the expensive one and many other extras new c/s and fresh mot he offered me the bike for £1800 and said its very tidy, taking that into account if a dealer offered you £1800 I'd take it.
All the best.
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Most of the feedback given here is great, especially from pickle about the ad itself.
I generally change my bikes every year and it is becoming more difficult to sell each year. Your bike has to stand out somehow and ultimately in an Ad this means price. Pitch your price based on similar bikes in your "local" area and your target audience. Local area to me normally means 100 mile radius.
Is £2400 a fair price for your bike.........yes. Will you get it....doubt it.
I have just missed out 2 Gen 1's, both with under 14k miles (04 and 05 models) and both were under £2200.
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On a serious note take a look of the 2001 blue (the best colour) bike a couple places from yours on eBay bike is in Maidstone kent 30k on the clock, nice reg plate evo ! has genuine belly pan, twin high level cans, genuine yam touring screen the expensive one and many other extras new c/s and fresh mot he offered me the bike for £1800 and said its very tidy, taking that into account if a dealer offered you £1800 I'd take it.
All the best.
Cheers for the message CT.
Had a look at that bike but tbh, there's nothing about it that makes me think I should accept £1800 for my '02 reg. His is an X-reg for a start.
Colour is totally subjective and plays no part. If you like it, you like it..... and the blue, I don't. On the subject (if you will) of subjectivity, those exhausts imho are gopping. Also not convinced on the number plate either. Pretty sure DVLA still don't allow transfers of reg's between different classes of vehicle, so unless Mitsubishi make an Evo bike, or the buyer has an Evo obsession, it's pointless. Been a while since I did a cherished transfer, so I'll stand to be corrected.
Don't get me wrong, it looks like it's been well cared for, but a bit too personalised for me.
I think that letting mine go for around £2150, wouldn't be such a bad deal for someone...
It's an interesting debate this, as it's really showing the range of what people find to be ideal in their new purchase and how they can be turned on, or off by something relatively minor.
Thanks again.
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Best bet is take a picture with wife/gf half naked astride the bike that will do the job, seems to work for others.
On that, I saw a cracking listing a few months back for a ZZR1400 and the seller's missus was in most of the pics on the bike,wearing a SUPER TIGHT full leather suit. No idea if he sold the bike but she was fit as!
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Due to a number of factors I think there's no better time to buy a bike for cash than right now, unfortunately for those same reasons it means there's no worse time to sell one.
It's holiday season and many are away, while those that aren't are likely skint having just come back. The Olympics are to some degree keeping a few people occupied and away from their computer, and the spectre of Christmas looms as the next 'big spend' on the horizon after the holiday season. Add to that the general economic (and literal) climate and what you have are some very savvy buyers out there wanting the most for their cash - and with plenty bikes to choose from.
People who would normally splash out on a whim for a bike in the 2- 4k bracket (as those tend to be the bikes bought for cash) are dwindling. Over that figure your usually talking finance deals or bank loans. So in short those with cash are holding on to it, and those without are managing with what they have rather than take on more debt. If you sell now you must be prepared to take a hit, and a bike you rightly value at £2150 is likely to sell for just £1850.
Sell it next March when everyone is optimistically dreaming of the great summer rides to come (yeah right!) and you'll get your £2150
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Mate, I'm one of your 'watchers'. Nice bike, it is older and more miles on it than I wanted in a Fazer but it looks in good nick. I have watched a load of bikes and they're just not selling al least 90% + auctions have resulted in the bike not selling, the trouble with selling bikes (and I've taken a few hits over the years) is not what you think it's worth but how much someone is willing to pay (bit of a cliche I know)
If it is as good as the pics and video and I could get a train I would buy the bike tomorrow for £1800, I know you said you wouldn't accept that though. If I'm honest, I'm not sure I'd go to £2000 with no s/h.
I'm waiting for the 'bargain' as I guess everyone is. I did notice you have a few offers now, got to say I don't like the whole offers thing. To expand that, as I don't know what offers you already have I just won't bother putting one in, may sound silly but I like things nice and easy.
[size=78%]I'll definately be keeping an eye on the sale though.[/size]
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KYL, reason I pointed out that bike was due to the extras as the owner said he has all originals, so you pays £1800 for it ! Take all the extras off and sell these would make that bike a real bargain, the plate is worth a couple £££ and is transferable I have plates on vehicles and bikes and transfer between vehicles or put it on retention is very easy to do.
The (R1) blue just does it for me fella.
Mine. (http://img.tapatalk.com/500095a6-1c89-6531.jpg)
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You've gotta love those silver engined models. 8)
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I'll definately be keeping an eye on the sale though.
TBH. There won't be anything to keep an eye on. It will either sell for at least £2100 or I'll keep it.
As each week passes I'm saving more towards buying the car I need without selling up. Not ideal but the bike won't be given away.
I am prepared to sell but I don't HAVE to.
If I can manage to be nice enough with the ex for the next month, I know she'll let me use her car. So for 30 days of tongue biting I don't have to take a big hit on the Fazer.
Given what I've heard and experienced so far, having two vehicles is looking the likeliest.
There's quite a large part of me that will be, happy with that.... ;)
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6) Slim the whole advert down, if folk are initially interested they will ask about the detail
Bob, I thought you'd appreciate this ad for one of the cars I'm looking to replace my bike with.
I know you said MY original ad was effectively a bit wordy but this is something else..... :z
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140820353487?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_11067wt_1186 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140820353487?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_11067wt_1186)
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LOL :lol
I think i will have it then.
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well I have just read your ad, and it still sounds " needy" to me. I like the lots of detail,its essential to properly list any motor vehicle, but you are listing a price which you then invite offers on ! So you wont ever get the full price. I think you should have auctioned it.
A black bike always can look a little dull, and the background for the photos dont help.It dont appeal to me tbh...it most likely is such a good bike as you say , but to a non fazerite , it looks expensive for a 35k miler 10 yr old bike , a tad dull and then it looks like you yourself have listed it too high !
Its a critical appraisal of the advert , not you , so dont get upset by what I say.I am just looking at it from the punters eyes.By contrast I saw an ad for a mint sprint 1050 in the bright caspian blue, piccie taken in sunshine, and it looked a cracker. I wanted to own it as soon as I saw it.
Your ad will work if a punter comes along , who wants a black fazer( or color is irrelevant) for the best money he can beat you down for.I wish you well, but doubt you will get top dollar.
I would relist the bike with better photos, on an auction with your minimum price set as areserve and see what happens.Before I list any item I want good money for, I always watch the market for a week or two beforehand, as demand fluctuates. The shit weather dont help at all...august is like june and july ...totally un biking weather...so I dont predict strong prices for what is effectively very late in the season...
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i think you ads fine....ok a bit personal but were all different....ive only just bought mine but if i was still looking yours would defo be on my "worth a look" list........good luck with your sale,iam sure its only a matter of time :)
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6) Slim the whole advert down, if folk are initially interested they will ask about the detail
Bob, I thought you'd appreciate this ad for one of the cars I'm looking to replace my bike with.
I know you said MY original ad was effectively a bit wordy but this is something else..... :z
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140820353487?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_11067wt_1186[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140820353487?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_11067wt_1186[/url])
Mate, I take it all back. She takes the Olympic Gold for that one!!!
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I would weather the storm and keep the bike.
I put mine up for sale a little over a week ago, it's similar one to yours a 34k black 2001 and in the same excellent condition. I sold it (provisionally) easily enough but wondered what else I could buy to replace it? When I looked at what little cash I was actually selling for it bought out there I realised that I was better off keeping it.
That was the purely monetary consideration over, with. I then began to wonder what other bike does everything so well and in such comfort? And where would I find one for £2k? I'd end up buying another Fazer 1000! :lol
I know for you needs must, but if it's at all possible find another way of raising the cash/getting by for the time being because unless the price is very attractive people just won't bite, and if you lower it until they do you'll just feel like you gave it away.
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unless the price is very attractive people just won't bite, and if you lower it until they do you'll just feel like you gave it away.
Right there, is my whole experience crystalised into one sentence. Time for plan B I reckon. Keep it for now and....... TAXI!
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I saw this fazer advertised at a dealer...04 reg with similar miles....£2795. Yup the market aint great is it ...if a dealer is offering them at this price ?No doubt he would take less for cash etc...hence why I say an older bike may not seem great value private sale at just £395 less without any warranty... I didnt have to look long to find this either...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230836138315&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230836138315&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123)
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Well after 2 weeks of nothing, 880(!!!) :eek page views, and 32 watchers, it sold tonight for £2000. Nice bloke (aren't they all when they buy :lol ) came up all the way from Basingstoke to Crewe and rode off my drive around quarter to midnight!
AND just after his first call, another guy who's parents live just yards away, was up for £2000 as well.
Seems the ad was alright after all. There's ALWAYS someone out there but there's a shed load of pi55 taking chancers at the moment.
Now for the cage hunt... :'(
ALL comments were gratefully received :D
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there you go....just a matter of time...shane you had to sell it though....good luck with the cage hunt :)
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I've noticed time and again that the amount of watchers on an item bears no correlation to the amount of potential buyers. Most are just rubber neckers looking to see what it sells for. Human nature I'm afraid.
Glad you sold it in the end anyway.
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Now heres an advert !
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZ1S-Fazer-2008-57-11K-FSH-1-Start-UK-Delivery-99-VAT-/180958437915?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2a21f6a21b (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZ1S-Fazer-2008-57-11K-FSH-1-Start-UK-Delivery-99-VAT-/180958437915?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2a21f6a21b)
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Now heres an advert !
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZ1S-Fazer-2008-57-11K-FSH-1-Start-UK-Delivery-99-VAT-/180958437915?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2a21f6a21b[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZ1S-Fazer-2008-57-11K-FSH-1-Start-UK-Delivery-99-VAT-/180958437915?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2a21f6a21b[/url])
but i want a blue one!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'd lost the will to live before I got down to the pictures.
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Anyone else notice on the 13th picture down all the paint has come off the bottom of the frame.. I would be worried how good the paint is on the rest of the bike.
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Several things struck me about this ad: There is definite " overkill" in use of words & pictures. The two bodywork blemishes are probably the least to worry about-I was more concerned with the corrosion issues on the frame adjacent to centre stand and on items such as rear calliper slider pins, exup cover screws/bolts,rear brake master cylinder adjuster rod-in fact on most steel components to some degree or other. Looks like a classic case of wash it and store it. If it was my bike I would sort these issues before selling-it all helps to instil confidence & trust in potential buyers. I am a great believer in preventive maintenance & a little time with ACF50 and coppergrease would have avoided all of these issues EXCEPT on brake discs of course!. As it stands there is quite a bit of stripping & treatment required to turn this bike into a "minter. If I was looking to buy this bike Id be asking for substantial reduction from asking price & would strip off all bodywork & treat every fastener & electrical connector & examine frame for any further corrosion and rectify. Nothing wrong with winter riding but so important to clean & treat properly-all these issues avoidable-if id paid nigh on 10 grand for a bike from new id want to keep it looking right. Beauty is more than skin deep! :eek
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You made it to the bottom of the listing Dave?
You need to get out more :lol
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Its stopped raining so going out today! :lol
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Call me stupid but I desperately wanted an FZS and looked everywhere for a decent one around £2,000. Eventually, on the internet, found a 2002 FZS with only 12K on the clock, 2 previous owners, fitted with double bubble screen, fender extender, brand new SP carbon fibre handmade exhaust, Fazer colour matched belly pan, hugger and K&N air filter. With new tyres, pads and chain it looked like it had just come out of it's crate and certainly never used in bad weather. Paid £2,500 for it plus £100 to have it delivered from Darlington to North London and I consider it to be an absolute bargain. If I had seen yours I would have snapped it up despite the mileage! Better value than anything else I saw in a months looking. Glad I found my dream bike eventually though! Glad to see you've sold yours ow though, hope you got the price you wanted.
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Now heres an advert !
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZ1S-Fazer-2008-57-11K-FSH-1-Start-UK-Delivery-99-VAT-/180958437915?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2a21f6a21b[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZ1S-Fazer-2008-57-11K-FSH-1-Start-UK-Delivery-99-VAT-/180958437915?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2a21f6a21b[/url])
but i want a blue one!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've just bought a blue one, but the dealer at Crowthorne had had it for over 6 months and advertised on E Bay (where I saw it) and other places without success.
[/size][/color]Others about the same I looked at on E Bay are still for sale, I think it is just the economic climate and time of year[/font] :(