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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: ade the blade on 18 May 2012, 05:32:26 pm
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ok fellas, i fully understand your reluctance to `loan` me your pride and joys for a little trial and error session, so maybe a few of you would be kind enough to do a quick running test on your machines (fzs600 gen 1 ) and give me some feedback if you could. ok, all i need you to do is start up the bike and let it just idle. now place hand (or whatever :D ) on the fuel pump and count approx how many `pulses` per count of five seconds there are. next, increase and hold revs at approx 5000 rpm and count `pulses` again for another count of 5. This may sound a bit silly but it will help me calculate a more accurate fuel flow reading. please help us on this one fellas. I really do appreciate your help. cheers Ade.
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Good luck mate, if it wasn't for the nasty pollen allergy I have these days, I would help you.
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Good luck mate, if it wasn't for the nasty pollen allergy I have these days, I would help you.
hey, thanks for the offer matey but you`ve obviously got your hands full battling with that shit :\ . keep sneeezing ;)
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ile give it a go for you tomorrow ade, got tank off so ile set it up to run!!! get back to you bt....1pm just balanced me carbs so mine should be spot on!! only done 6500 miles!!. clive.
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im happy to give it a go too tomorrow, is a 2002 foxeye comparable to the gen 1????
im guessing in terms of fuel pumps n stuff they are the same.
will post tomoz.
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ile give it a go for you tomorrow ade, got tank off so ile set it up to run!!! get back to you bt....1pm just balanced me carbs so mine should be spot on!! only done 6500 miles!!. clive.
thats brilliant mate............thanks for finding the time to help out ;)
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im happy to give it a go too tomorrow, is a 2002 foxeye comparable to the gen 1????
im guessing in terms of fuel pumps n stuff they are the same.
will post tomoz.
hey mate, fox eye. eagle eye........what the hell its worth a crack. chances are you`re correct and same pump is used on both gen 1 and 2. thanks for helping out. appreciate it ;)
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good thinking ade ;) ....ive done the test on my bike :rolleyes ...you know what i`ve done with mine so please bear this in mind when you compare firures...not test riden yet so may still have the stutter
idle...2.5 pulses.................5000rpm....7 pulses
if anyones else is thinking of doing the test its easy and takes a couple of minutes.....theres no need to remove the tank,you will find the fuel pump just underneath the right hand side of the tank,above carb number four,easy to get your fingers on the pump to count the pulses.
good luck ade and dont forget to let us know how you get on ;)
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happy to be of service,
i was well impressed of the pics of ya misses bike! i was shocked when you said it was sold.
glad you got it back......... its in the arms of someone that appreciates it ;)
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happy to be of service,
i was well impressed of the pics of ya misses bike! i was shocked when you said it was sold.
glad you got it back......... its in the arms of someone that appreciates it ;)
or a mug, only kidding. yep lots of late evenings went into it. desperate to get it running as it was before. i know it can really shift.
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good thinking ade ;) ....ive done the test on my bike :rolleyes ...you know what i`ve done with mine so please bear this in mind when you compare firures...not test riden yet so may still have the stutter
idle...2.5 pulses.................5000rpm....7 pulses
if anyones else is thinking of doing the test its easy and takes a couple of minutes.....theres no need to remove the tank,you will find the fuel pump just underneath the right hand side of the tank,above carb number four,easy to get your fingers on the pump to count the pulses.
good luck ade and dont forget to let us know how you get on ;)
what a mate, what a mate !!!!!!!!!! cheers for the free plug and precise instructions. your figures already have got me thinking as my poxy pump at that rate only puts out 1 `pulse` every count of 5 when idling, so thats p&ss poor to start with :rolleyes and approx 3 when revved up. i`m really hoping matey that some of all this testing etc will pay off for you with your bike too.......after all, you are my stuttering `twin` :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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nowt on tele! so ?....here are the results from the derbyshire jury? .....after idling for the count of ...5. the result was....2...@ 5000rpm the result was?.....9... and that completes the results from the heart of derbyshire!! hope this helps? clive.
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nowt on tele! so ?....here are the results from the derbyshire jury? .....after idling for the count of ...5. the result was....2...@ 5000rpm the result was?.....9... and that completes the results from the heart of derbyshire!! hope this helps? clive.
clive in derbyshire, i thank you kindly sir for testing so quick for me. 9 when revving eh? its creeping up slowly. feel free to give your views etc guys as we go along. clive your a gent. thanks again ! :kiss
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stuttering twin :rollin :rollin :rollin
derbyshire jury :rollin :rollin :rollin
you lot are not bike nuts , your a bunch of comedians :lol made me laugh after a hard week...cheers
just remembered ive bypassed the fuel filter with a straight peice of tube so might affect the figures
clives 5000 figure ,2 more than mine is interesting .............
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stuttering twin :rollin :rollin :rollin
derbyshire jury :rollin :rollin :rollin
you lot are not bike nuts , your a bunch of comedians :lol made me laugh after a hard week...cheers
just remembered ive bypassed the fuel filter with a straight peice of tube so might affect the figures
clives 5000 figure ,2 more than mine is interesting .............
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww now you say you big tart. oh well, i`ll ignore your readings then. ;) shouldn`t think that would have any effect mate, luckily for you. 100 lines now saying` i must connect fuel lines correctly for testing` :lol :lol :lol
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years and years ago i ran a cb 750 f1 honda bought it brand new!!!£1100 on the road!!!now ile try and get this over to you before i croak thru old age!!at approx 33000 miles i got the same prob as you,.....and after alot of money exchanged hands with the stealer" it was fialy down to ...weak diaphrams 2 where very pappy !! no holes just weak?.... i replaced the lott anyway and it ran mint after that?......but i will warn you they not cheap?.....going bk to 1976....yes that old :'( cost me over £100 then!!!! so in a way i do hope its not them?.....but you never know???????? clive
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ok.....i would have thought without a fuel filter the pulse would have inproved...but clive has a higher count than me !!!..........fuel pump pulses iam on about before you say anything :rolleyes
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could be drugs i take red???????????????????????????????????????? :lol
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years and years ago i ran a cb 750 f1 honda bought it brand new!!!£1100 on the road!!!now ile try and get this over to you before i croak thru old age!!at approx 33000 miles i got the same prob as you,.....and after alot of money exchanged hands with the stealer" it was fialy down to ...weak diaphrams 2 where very pappy !! no holes just weak?.... i replaced the lott anyway and it ran mint after that?......but i will warn you they not cheap?.....going bk to 1976....yes that old :'( cost me over £100 then!!!! so in a way i do hope its not them?.....but you never know???????? clive
thats got me thinking about my bike now...didnt replace the diaphrams as the ones in the secondhand carbs felt a bit stiff and were a little mis-shaped,my origanal ones very very flexable :rolleyes ....cheers clive ;)
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could be drugs i take red???????????????????????????????????????? :lol
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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years and years ago i ran a cb 750 f1 honda bought it brand new!!!£1100 on the road!!!now ile try and get this over to you before i croak thru old age!!at approx 33000 miles i got the same prob as you,.....and after alot of money exchanged hands with the stealer" it was fialy down to ...weak diaphrams 2 where very pappy !! no holes just weak?.... i replaced the lott anyway and it ran mint after that?......but i will warn you they not cheap?.....going bk to 1976....yes that old :'( cost me over £100 then!!!! so in a way i do hope its not them?.....but you never know???????? clive
cheers clive, will take that on board.....hopefully not, but food for thought nonetheless. 1976? i think my old nan told me about that drought year a little while back ;) :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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years and years ago i ran a cb 750 f1 honda bought it brand new!!!£1100 on the road!!!now ile try and get this over to you before i croak thru old age!!at approx 33000 miles i got the same prob as you,.....and after alot of money exchanged hands with the stealer" it was fialy down to ...weak diaphrams 2 where very pappy !! no holes just weak?.... i replaced the lott anyway and it ran mint after that?......but i will warn you they not cheap?.....going bk to 1976....yes that old :'( cost me over £100 then!!!! so in a way i do hope its not them?.....but you never know???????? clive
thats got me thinking about my bike now...didnt replace the diaphrams as the ones in the secondhand carbs felt a bit stiff and were a little mis-shaped,my origanal ones very very flexable :rolleyes ....cheers clive ;)
access....your flexible friend !! sorry i started this thread now, it`s getting a bit pervy now. wheres my grotty old mac? :lol :lol :lol
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she didnt visit malock bath did she????? :rolleyes ...remember me to her if she did????? :D
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she didnt visit malock bath did she????? :rolleyes ...remember me to her if she did????? :D
hello granddad :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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:rolleyes ....i der BLOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin bedtime !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ok!! good luck with it? .....why dont you try pipe strait from tank to carbs??? no fuel pumps in my era!!!!
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ok!! good luck with it? .....why dont you try pipe strait from tank to carbs??? no fuel pumps in my era!!!!
tried that matey. bit hit and miss. seemed to get a load of airlocks constantly in the fuel line. yep give me gravity feed anyday ;) . see what tomorrow brings. thanks all. Ade
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ok, just checked what my fuel pump does;
at idle = 1 pulse every 5 secs (depending on how you timed it it could be considered 2 pulses in 5-6 sec duration)?
at 5K = 6 pulses (counted 3 times, counted 7 pulses twice)
not sure if that's gonna help with the comparisons you are trying to do?
good luck mate
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At idle mine pumps once every 4.3 seconds taken as an average from 1 minute of counting.
If I held it at 5000rpm for one minute my next door neighbour would most probably come around and stick a kitchen knife up my arse.
I doubt my results would be affected by the fact that my downpipes are riddled with holes again (which does affect the performance of the engine but probably not the fuel filter timings) but thought I would mention it in the interests of fair science.
I'm guessing for a true experiment you would have needed the results a 5000rpm as well so I'm not sure how helpful I've been - although if you lived in London I would be more than willing to lend you my carbs for an afternoon.
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ade, did you have a look at your diaphrams ? spoke to a motorcycle mech i know? and that was the second thing that come to his head!! the first being?....inlet rubbers/ perished/ loose.? clive.
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ade, did you have a look at your diaphrams ? spoke to a motorcycle mech i know? and that was the second thing that come to his head!! the first being?....inlet rubbers/ perished/ loose.? clive.
mate its been a right old weekend what with this and that. aint been near the bike at all. but will be re-checking everything again at some point during this week. cheers for asking ;)
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ok, if you do find you,v got problem with any of the diaphrams? ive got 1 that you can have if needed? clive.
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swoping the ecu and removing the filter made no difference to my bike so i put filter and ecu back on and tryed the pulsing test again,sane results as before.......idle....2.5 pulses...........5000....7 pulses.
have you had chance to spend so time on the fazer ?
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any progress ade ;)
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well i`ve been prescribed anusol by the quack and told to stop scratching and to make an appointment in a fortnight.........so fingers crossed eh !! :D :D
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ade, did you get chance to look at yours today?
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look in for sale and wanted ade?...braking a fazer?...you wanted a fuel pump didnt you?