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General => General => Topic started by: phil on a fazer on 17 May 2012, 05:31:56 pm
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Hay
If you were to use a gas trangia in a Travel lodge hotel room...do you think you would set the alarm off? i don't know if there heat or smoke sensors, there normally located near the door.
i would explain......but its a long (dull) story :z
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You would probably be in the papers the next day - "Biker dies of carbon monoxide poisoning - Hotel denies liability"
Cheers
Harry
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go to the chippy!
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You would probably be in the papers the next day - "Biker dies of carbon monoxide poisoning - Hotel denies liability"
Cheers
Harry
watch this space. ;)
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Try it out with a match and some paper, or set fire to the curtains if they're not to nice :evil
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Detectors in sleeping accommodation will be recommended to be smoke detectors as per bs 5839. They react quicker and alert occupant to enable quicker escape. Even if it was a heat detector it would only actuate upwards of 40 degrees or more. The chances of you heating to that would be slim. Even a rate of rise unit would stay dormant.
Some may even be carbon dioxide or monoxide combined units to detect products of combustion.
If there's shower facilities In the room or near the detector, it may be and Ionisation type to help prevent false calls from the shower. If its an optical unit, there might be a chance that cooking fumes could set it off.
So now that I've bored the its off you, what should you do.
As a fire enforcement guy,I say don't. If theres a call out, that's a pump that could be elsewhere. Brigades generally don't like unwanted signals and the hotel will take the rap and be very unchuffed.
If you are gonna do it anyway, my advice is open a window and cook near it, away from the detector. Fan out any fumes, fresh air in ad have an extinguisher nearby.
But do it outside might be easier. Seeing as that's what's Its intended for
Screwdrivers aren't chisels
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Additionally, if a fire happens, you'll be in the dock, the hotel would plead ignorance and likely get off. It's never expected to have someone cook indoors so it wonct be a risk assessment failure. However due to the clientele, their risk assessment might have provision for unusual events like indoors cooking, doubtful tho.
Take it outside. You'd never forgive youself if you copped a charge because of a roll and egg and some burnt beans. Lest someone gets hurt. Then its heavy business. They would hammer you for that big time.
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Wow....you know your stuff about fires ;)
You did miss one out though, you could just cover up the sensor/alarm. :D We have to do that at work if we making a lot if dust.
Cheers fellas.
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One of my sons works for the West Mids Fire Service..In his own words.."But why would he want to do that?" Why not go the whole hog and have a bonfire! :lol
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When I lived in a second floor flat, the guy on the first floor fancied having a barbecue but only the ground floor flats had gardens. So he got one of those disposable ones in a foil tray and lit it in his kitchen. That set the fire alarms off.......
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Wow....you know your stuff about fires ;)
You did miss one out though, you could just cover up the sensor/alarm. :D We have to do that at work if we making a lot if dust.
Cheers fellas.
I should, i work in enforcement for the authority
I didn't miss it, but i would never suggest it to a duty holder or employer so i won't suggest it to anyone else.
The reason being, even if you decide to cook and the worst happens, if the detector is covered you put others at risk because the head is out of commission with the cover. In that case, how does the alarm get raised. If you at least open the window, then should fire break out, the dtector will be there as a back up, hopefully before the fire is too large and breaches the door and its left to the unit in the escape route to raise the alarm.
You could of course, do it outside, eat out, buy crisps and sandwiches.
In reality, the risk is pretty minor, but a lone match can burn a house down.
If i was carrying out an audit and discovered this going on, i'd be having stern words with the manager
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And mind if i ask what yer job is?
If you are having to cover the detector, and often, then yer gaffer might be as well getting a different type of detector. The way see it is if you have the facilities, you want to have it working as it should. A covered detector head may as well not be there, but you can get types that work in dusty (and potentially explosive) atmospheres
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Ahh the pld latex glove that fits like errrr a glove...on the smokeheads
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And mind if i ask what yer job is?
If you are having to cover the detector, and often, then yer gaffer might be as well getting a different type of detector. The way see it is if you have the facilities, you want to have it working as it should. A covered detector head may as well not be there, but you can get types that work in dusty (and potentially explosive) atmospheres
yeah, i do maintanence. Only briefly cover the sensors, and not very often at all. We have these plastic covers that you clip over them.
Last time the fridge engineer was doing some work on top of the large fridges he used an airline to blow the dust away....one little squirt on the air line and 600 people were then stood outside at the firepoints waiting for the alarm to stop. :D