Fazer Owners Club - Unofficial
General => General => Topic started by: ogri48 on 22 January 2019, 09:30:46 pm
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went into Fowlers in Bristol today...biggest bike shop ive ever been in in my life! 1000 new bikes on three floors and another honda specific showroom next door. Fell in love with the lightest helmet I've ever tried (carbon fibre premier trophy nx vintage full face...stunning looking retro too)
Had a look at the cb1000r VNA has mentiond in another thread and as he says, photos don't do it justice...it is indeed absolutely stunning in the flesh. They've somehow built a bike with retro café culture cool thats also ultra modern looking and looks proper built. Think the black version edged it for me, but I could never own one, the missus used to moan about the FZ1 seat... :lol :lol :lol :lol
seriously pukka looking bike though (and I bloody hate the look of most new bikes). If honda are doing deals, thats gonna be a popular bike for 2019
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Looks sweeter again once it's got a nice end can and a tail tidy.Usually not a fan of tail tidys but the OE license holder is a mess.
Did you have a wee sit on it? Nice, compact and reasonably light feeling I thought.
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yup. feels more like 600 than a thou. Im guessing with triumphs 765 being such a brilliant tool thats the way to go. has to be seen in the flesh though, its definitely got summat about it
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Yeah they've done a great job. Sweet looking bike.And to think it's predecessor was a mess.
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Oh shit!
That looks mean, and looks like it means business.
Loving the look, but hating to think about the price tag. :eek
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CB1000R - £11499CB1000R+ - £12599
0% PCP available till end of march :D
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Can and tail tidy. Mmmmmmm.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CCcAAOSwviFbwPfU/s-l1600.jpg)
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very tasty innit...
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It is, it is.
I like that kind of grey colour.
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me too. aint seen that before, the two in fowlers were black and that honda dark red colour. be nicer still with a full system so you could lose that bluddy grut cat, but that would be even more wonga
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Would be too bloody loud too.
Annoyingly the downpipes and cat are one piece too. So it’s difficult to mod that cat.
It increasingly seems that today you have a choice of sewing machine quiet or anti-social loud.
Fella at work has a de-catted MT10 (de cat link pipe), to me it’s just nasty loud. I couldn’t bring myself to start a thing like that at 7 in the morning outside ma hoose. I’d just wake the whole darn street up. So many bikes now with aftermarket systems or de-cats are just nob end loud.
Don’t understand why the aftermarket parts industry doesn’t offer decent in-between options.
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Nob end loud Arrow system
(https://admin.arrow.it/img/craft/gallery/1596/580f2e0c-52fe-499e-be2c-5f5afcf7a958_Honda_CB1000R_18_Full_Pro-Race_PRN_1a.jpg?w=1600&h=700&mode=crop&quality=60)
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(https://d1sfhav1wboke3.cloudfront.net/ImageServer/Apim2media/Images/20529/6336b366-fff8-479d-913f-f7844312d67e.png?width=1056&height=594)
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Now what about a nice top box?
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that is one spartan motorbike...even a tank bag would make it look overloaded!
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Givi does a top plate fae a box. :)
I'm thinking a nice big 56l box would be handy.
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Here we go. Off fae a week or twa;
(https://media.givi.it/XN-Moto/foto/HONDA%20CB%201000%20R%20(18)_V47NT.jpg)
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You must have borrowed Kitcrazy's ultra small tent.
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I'm no camper.The top box would do me.If nothing else I love parking up and shoving my hat in the box.Looking at that snap I'm begining to think it might not look as stupid as I thought with a box.
Oh read on one forum some fella has already fitted Arrow downpipes and the twin end can option.But they are coming off to be sold, and the OE stuff going back on. Annoyingly loud even with the bungs in :eek
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You must have borrowed Kitcrazy's ultra small tent.
Every opportunity and that... :lol
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Umm, nice tent.
But what about the bike Dazza?
Whatdayathink?
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I'm all for Honda..... But not this model I'm afraid.
My brothers got a CRF 450 which is the nuts, I've had CR250's and 500's, both are epic motocross bikes.
I've never ridden a late Honda road bike bike so my opinion doesn't really count for anything but I just don't like the styling.
The exhaust looks shite and I don't like the headlamp design.
The proof is always in the riding and obviously having never ridden one I can't really comment.
It just doesn't float my boat.
0% finance packages are always a winner but give me an MT10 cross plane, short wheel base , hooligan machine over this all day long.
I heard a rumour that the 2020 model is up on power and torque and a few other little tweaks like auto blipper and TFT colour dash as standard. Don't know how true this is but.....
Nah.....Yamaha win top trumps for me I'm afraid.
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Fair enougth.
Love naked bikes with a good old roond headlight myself.
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If it's of any interest, the March edition of Ride magazine has a back to back article on the MT10 v CB1000R.
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Here we go. Off fae a week or twa;
(https://media.givi.it/XN-Moto/foto/HONDA%20CB%201000%20R%20(18)_V47NT.jpg)
that actually looks pretty good..
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If it's of any interest, the March edition of Ride magazine has a back to back article on the MT10 v CB1000R.
I might need to have a look at that.
that actually looks pretty good..
The panniers look fine. Can't find a picture of it with just the box. Also wonder if a tail tidy works with the Givi racks fitted. I'm not a fan of tail tidies but that number plate holder is dreadful.
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you seriously thinking of getting one mate?
Thats a lot of Wonga. Or perhaps its not...in 1996 at the NEC I was seduced by the latest incarnation of the blade (rr-t with the new 918 lump). I bught a new one for (ulp) £9250. By next summer they had been reduced to just over seven grand because of the impact of paralell imports.. :'( :'( :'(
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Yeah I remember buying a mint low mileage one year old CBR600F in, I think, 1995. I think I paid about 5k for it. Rode it for best part of two years, stuck 15k on it and sold it 4.6k The yen kept rising in value driving the prices up. That was when I tried to give up bikes. I was finished. No more of tht nonsense :\ Yeah I remember the prices going through the roof, can’t remember but I think the Japanese economy overheated, crashed and the yen tumbled. The dealers didn’t want to drop the prices cos the value of their used stock would be wiped out which would in turn wipe them out – so they kept the prices up and the grey importers moved in and wiped em out anyway.
I lasted a summer or two without a bike, then bought a 600 Fazer :lol
But yeah trying to persuade myself to get out there and test drive a couple of bikes – probably MT10 and CB1000R. Haven’t bought a bike since I bought the thou new in 2004. (cost 6k pre reg) If it wasn’t for you know what, both theses bikes would be retailing for list price about 10k, not 12k. But what can you do? Need some half decent weather.
I could be tempted by a used or ex-demo CB1000R neo. But I start laughing when I see the ticket prices dealers are putting on used MT10’s. So I suspect an MT10 would probably have to be new.
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howsabout a hardly dangerous...… ;) ;) its a blatant mt01 copy mind..
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I thought you was posting the same bike with another for a minute,what a rip off!!
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You know I’m looking at that HD thinking that looks OK. Not something that often happens with me. Apparently, it’s 975cc and water-cooled, not due out to 2020.
I struggle to find any modern bike I fancy and ticks the boxes for me. MT10 and CB1000R are all I can come up with at the mo. The Katana that’s due out very shortly looks interesting, but comes with a 13ltr fuel tank. So that won’t be any use.
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If it's of any interest, the March edition of Ride magazine has a back to back article on the MT10 v CB1000R.
Cheers, checked it out. Basically, they preferred the CB1000R. They described the MT10 as always wanting a scrap, a bit intimidating, not for the faint hearted. Whereas the Honda was sure footed and confidence inspiring, whilst obviously still being a quick bike, if not as quick as the MT10.
However, they are testing in winter, and admitted they might be fighting over the keys to the MT10 come the summer.
Makes me wonder how much of a bleedin beast is this MT10 thing.
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Makes me wonder how much of a bleedin beast is this MT10 thing.
To be honest I don't personally get all the whoo harr about it. Me and 2 friends took some MT-10s out at Motorcycle live last year and none of us were particularly impressed.
Between us we ride a Fz1, Gsxr-750 & Bandit 1200 and it was only the guy with the bandit that thought ithe MT was a fast bike.
I can honestly say it didn't feel any more aggressive than my Fz1.
That's not to say it was a bad bike or anything but I wouldn't bother selling mine to buy one.
And it may be just me but I think it's a hell of an ugly s.o.b. I much prefer the honda looks wise. I even prefer the old cb1000r to the MT
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Cheers Dude. Interesting comments.
Looks wise I hated the MT10 when I first saw it, just another modern mess, but then you notice after a while that a lot of thought has gone into the styling, it does have a theme and it flows from front to back. But then there are so many nooks and crannies, how the heck would you keep it clean(ish). Also, on the down side, a lot of bits seems to have just been stuck on at the last minute.
That CB1000R you have posted, to me, is just mingin. It’s a cracking example of taking a good concept, powerful compact engine mounted in a light spine frame with a single sided swing arm. Off to a great start, but then they start making it look as silly and ugly as possible. I mean what is that thing on it’s nose about, the lightening plastic and the god awful colour scheme. Buy hey each to their own.
But the latest CB1000R – same basic theme – looks so good!
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I suppose with that Harley it depends if they price it like they do the "big twins", or much more realistically like the entry level ones the purist look down their noses at. For now, I reckon your bang on with the new cb.
Honda quality still outweighs the rest imho, and having read that same comparison test, if I was after summat of that ilk, that would be the one id go for. The clincher was seeing it in the flesh mate...photos really don't do it justice
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Aye it does look lovely. Timeless good looks;
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/HBYAAOSwPR9bwPfV/s-l1600.jpg)
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Apparently the downpipes are single skin and turn black though.
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ah thats a shame. Honda must be compromising a bit nowadays. :rolleyes
Remember when super nakeds that used superbike engines had lumps that looked like the back of a washing machine..all functional pipework etc that looked utter shite without a fairing to cover it up lol.
They've certainly got it sussed now...that motah looks the mutts
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Makes me wonder how much of a bleedin beast is this MT10 thing.
To be honest I don't personally get all the whoo harr about it. Me and 2 friends took some MT-10s out at Motorcycle live last year and none of us were particularly impressed.
Between us we ride a Fz1, Gsxr-750 & Bandit 1200 and it was only the guy with the bandit that thought ithe MT was a fast bike.
I can honestly say it didn't feel any more aggressive than my Fz1.
That's not to say it was a bad bike or anything but I wouldn't bother selling mine to buy one.
And it may be just me but I think it's a hell of an ugly s.o.b. I much prefer the honda looks wise. I even prefer the old cb1000r to the MT
was that in full power mode ?
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Apparently the downpipes are single skin and turn black though.
with the prices they're charging I would have thought stainless steel should be the norm, "turning black" whaaaat!?
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Makes me wonder how much of a bleedin beast is this MT10 thing.
To be honest I don't personally get all the whoo harr about it. Me and 2 friends took some MT-10s out at Motorcycle live last year and none of us were particularly impressed.
Between us we ride a Fz1, Gsxr-750 & Bandit 1200 and it was only the guy with the bandit that thought ithe MT was a fast bike.
I can honestly say it didn't feel any more aggressive than my Fz1.
That's not to say it was a bad bike or anything but I wouldn't bother selling mine to buy one.
And it may be just me but I think it's a hell of an ugly s.o.b. I much prefer the honda looks wise. I even prefer the old cb1000r to the MT
was that in full power mode ?
Yes I had it in full power mode haha it's only makes about 10bhp more than my fz1 so not an overly noticeable amount anyway. I'm sure compared to a bone stock FZ the MT would seem a bit more "beastly"
It was the second time I'd taken one out. This time had been to try the SP edition. I wasn't much fussed on it either time. Although I did like the electronics, quick shifter, rider modes etc but I think I'd miss the charm of being the only thing in control of my bike
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with the prices they're charging I would have thought stainless steel should be the norm, "turning black" whaaaat!?
Aye it's stainless but it's single skin not double skin like say the gen1 Fazer thou. So it will discolour. If you look at the two pictures of the LINGS bike I posted you can see the exhaust looks a bit shitty. It's done just over 1000 miles Some people like the cooked metal look though.
It does seem a shame on such a classy looking bike, with single sided swing arm, to then cut costs on the exhuast. Presumably the aftermarket arrow and Akra downpipes are double skin, but then they are silly loud too.
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Yes I had it in full power mode haha it's only makes about 10bhp more than my fz1 so not an overly noticeable amount anyway.
So what about that massive mid range punch they talk about. And it's tendency to lift it's front wheel all the time.
Need some better weather to go and try one.
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I took the missus out on the cb today for coffee and cake in Monmouth(eight frigging quid!) ive decided its not gonna be a pampered summer toy, its gonna be used as god intended....
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Foc! You've dropped both of em :eek
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:lol :lol :lol
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Yes I had it in full power mode haha it's only makes about 10bhp more than my fz1 so not an overly noticeable amount anyway.
So what about that massive mid range punch they talk about. And it's tendency to lift it's front wheel all the time.
Need some better weather to go and try one.
It's there but it's no twin. It's all still too high up to be actually useful unless your playing silly bugger. As with most inline 4s the power just starts kicking in the same time the speed limit does.
As for the front wheel, if your a gear too low out of a bend then it gets a bit flighty but I never found it a problem in the straights. Then again I weigh 100kg myself so not a lot of bikes tend to lift too much unless I make them.
Even the superduke 1290r kept its feet on the ground when I was riding it haha
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I took the missus out on the cb today for coffee and cake in Monmouth(eight frigging quid!) ive decided its not gonna be a pampered summer toy, its gonna be used as god intended....
The missus or the bike :lol
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It's there but it's no twin. It's all still too high up to be actually useful unless your playing silly bugger. As with most inline 4s the power just starts kicking in the same time the speed limit does.
As for the front wheel, if your a gear too low out of a bend then it gets a bit flighty but I never found it a problem in the straights. Then again I weigh 100kg myself so not a lot of bikes tend to lift too much unless I make them.
Even the superduke 1290r kept its feet on the ground when I was riding it haha
Maybe I need to eat mare pies so I can handle these superbikes.
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Test rode an MT10 today - FFS!It is foccing nuts. I pulled more wheelies in 1hr than I've pulled in the last few years.It has serious mid range punch. If you try horsing the thing, it's like being in a boxing match.
So left Kilmarnock and headed to Ayr expecting the Honda dealer there to have a demo.Umm nope.
80% of our bikes sales are without a demo the sales rep told me. Sure, but not to me bud. I'm your 20% - bye bye.
I could have headed to Glasgow, but by the time I would have got there and out on a demo, if they had one, well I'd be out in the rush hour.
Anyway phoned Victor Devine (Honda Glasgow) when I got home and they do indeed have a demo. So..........
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:thumbup
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Not really sure what to make of the MT10.
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So I’ve lined up a test ride of the R1250R for Sunday.
So this morning I popped up to see Victor Devine Honda in Glasgow.
So you wanna shot of the CB1000R – no problem.
1 grand excess. And I get 1hr.
Unfortunately, Victor has run out of gas, but no worries I stop for juice whilst working my way out of Glasgow. Which is a thing, I spend quite a bit of my test ride getting out of the city centre and then back into it. The CB gets plenty of attention from cagers at the traffics lights.
So here’s my impressions. You sit on it, not in it – there’s no feeling of having a big petrol tank in front of you. It is totally naked, you feel as if there is nothing in front of your head at all.
It’s quick, though not ferocious like the MT10. If you wind it up it gives you good warning of getting flighty. I felt perfectly comfortable bumbling along at 80-85, above the ton you feel the wind blast and by 130 it’s dragging you off the back.
The engine is very Fazer like in it’s power delivery, quick but civilised. But it feels busy and a little buzzy. There are no deep growly tones from the exhaust or air box – the note is tinny and annoying.
It’s fantastic around town and through the city. It feels super light. I struggled with the clutch a bit pulling away, I had the lever out quite some way before it bit and then it felt a bit rough – maybe this demo bike had had some abuse. But the box is sweet. No quick shifter, but clutch-less changes were sweet and smooth. Personally, I see little point in quick shifters anyway.
The LCD panel, which clearly Honda have put a lot of thought into, tells you how fast you are going. That’s about all I can see with ease. Everything else is too small.
Oh, another thing, every time I went to indicate the horn went off. Why? Cos Honda have decided to swap the usual indictor/horn positions round. I had to keep looking down to find the indicators.
The seat is really firm and didn’t cause me any discomfort – but I suspect it might be torture after a couple of hours. The suspension is firm too but seems to do what it needs to do. It’s easy to throw and around and change direction mid corner – it feels super light. The brakes – what is all the fuss about these fancy radial callipers? They work, power and feed back feels better than on the MT10, but good old blue spots are as good as anything I think.
So I dunno. MT10 v CB100r ?
MT10 is a nicer place to sit, you feel part of the bike as apposed to plonked on top of it. The lights and instrument panel on the MT10 are out front and deflect a little air. I think the MT10 would be a better place to sit all day, but then you won’t be sitting there for long before you need to stop for fuel. The old fireblade engine in the CB1000r is quick, easy going but sounds annoying with the standard can. While the CB wants to be your friend and tend to your every need, the MT10, if you open the taps wants to take you outside for a square go, but don’t worry it’ll soon run out of fuel.
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Excellent real world write up mate, nicely done! I still get mcn every week and read their comparison tests and it always intrigues me as to how much I would benefit (or be able to read nowadays) with their LCD screens. The thing I remember most about my FZ1 was how much I loved the big digi speedo. Be interesting to see how the bimmer compares...
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So today I popped up to Douglas Park BMW in East Kilbride.
I took out their R1250R Sport. £250 quid excess – nice – nothing to worry about there.
They had to first explain to me the keyless ignition. They dialled in standard settings and left me to it. Got my hat and gloves on, then after 2- or 3-minutes fiddling with the ignition I got it to fire up. I then shut it down, checked I could open the fuel cap, closed it and fired it up again. I didn’t want to get a few miles down the road and find I could neither start it or get fuel in it. What the foc is wrong with a bleedin key.
Straight off there is a lovely boxer thrum. Also the best part of 1300cc and two big pots. It swings the bike from side to side as you blip the throttle at a standstill – lovely.
The clutch is fine, just as always takes a little care and getting used to as is the case anytime you switch bikes.
So first I had to get out of East Kilbride, which is no mean feat, but at least the endless roundabouts were fun.
She’s softly sprung and soaks up all the bumps. It’s a different feel to the Japanese bikes, much softer, the bike moves about under you but at no time does she feel out of shape.
The engine is just incredible. It picks up like an MT10, but without the shit yourself wheelies all the time. It is a seriously rapid motorcycle. It piles on torque from low revs and keeps on going. It sounds good too, even on the standard can the sound track is infectious.
She weighs in at a portly 240kg but is easy to pick up off the side stand and at no time do you feel she’s a big heavy bike.
The riding position is lovely, and you have a nice big tank to wrap yer legs round. The bars are just where you want em, the pegs feel relatively low. It’s all day comfortable.
The TFT dash for once is really sweet, everything I want is there at a glance, speed, rpm, time, gear selection, fuel – all for once easy to read. Just don’t press any buttons or you’ll find yourself lost in endless, and as far as VNA is concerned pointless menus.
I had her for the best part of 2hrs and I grinned the whole time.
Fuel consumption. The book says it has a range of 230 miles – ho ho ho. I gave her plenty of stick, probably did the best part of 100 miles and no she didn’t seem to use a heck of a lot of juice. I’m guessing it should a wee bit more economical than the fazer and give similar range (18ltr tank).
So, so far MT10, CB1000R and R1250R.
The MT10 is nuts. Great riding position. It’s great fun. But it’s way more than most half sane people will ever need. If you are a mentalist and you don’t mind spending half your day on filling station forecourts, have no fear of running out of fuel and you like a scrap with your bike now and again – it’s the one to get. If you feel the need to tune it then you probably need a little psychological therapy, or some anger management. :eek
The CB1000R is a lovely looking thing. But you sit on top of it. The TFT thing is hopeless. It would make the perfect big bore city bike or short distance commute. But I’m not sure I’d want to spend all day on or even think about touring. And I hate to say it, it just didn’t gel with me – what is it everybody says about Hondas. And I wanted so much to like it.
The R1250R makes me lauch wi oot me huvin tae soil ma troosers. That boxer engine has character. It’s a boxer that is fast as foc, you can throw it about about, it looks good in its own BMW weird sort of way and yeah it’s day after day comfortable.
Foccin ell, I must be getting old, I fear I’m about to become a BMW wank.
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Excellent real world write up mate, nicely done! I still get mcn every week and read their comparison tests and it always intrigues me as to how much I would benefit (or be able to read nowadays) with their LCD screens. The thing I remember most about my FZ1 was how much I loved the big digi speedo. Be interesting to see how the bimmer compares...
The BMW TFT dash is spot on. The previous R1200R dash (non TFT) probably has the worst dash I've ever seen on a bike. I can't fault the new un.
Talking of psychological help, maybe it's me. Am I ill? I think I've just fallen for a BMW. It was my left field alternative, suck it and see option.
Assuming I'm not ill, it just shows that, even as sort as some of them are, a wee test ride is important.
Now the bit I hate - the deal. Do BMW even do deals?
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I know I dont know you but from what I've gathered reading your comments I would say the BMW would be your best choice.
The Mt-10 seems to scare you a little and let's be honest it is just a hooligan bike, and it's by far the ugliest one of the 3
The Honda is just a pretty bike but I dont think its shines against the other two in any other department
The BMW has the looks, the engine' the character and enough power to keep you happy. It's something different (for now) and it's got a bit of class to it compared to the others. I dont think I read a negative note in your review so I think that's the one you liked the most
I think you've just got to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and realise, at heart.... your a BMW wanker 😜🤣
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I know I dont know you but from what I've gathered reading your comments I would say the BMW would be your best choice.
Are you saying I’m a complete and utter wanker? >:
I think you've just got to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and realise, at heart.... your a BMW wanker 😜🤣
Well that makes it abundantly clear. >: Foccin comedian. :lol
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You know there's often the odd wanker in a bike shop - but the BMW shop had more than their fair share.
I mean I popped to the bog for a pee and to clean my visor. There's some posh lookin git in normal clothes sitting at a desk waiting for the sales assitant to get back to him. I'm dressed in my well worn leathers - ie not dressed like a BMW wank - I say Hi - how ya doin as I pass. He just looked at me as if I wasn't there. Wanker.
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I know I dont know you but from what I've gathered reading your comments I would say the BMW would be your best choice.
Are you saying I’m a complete and utter wanker? >:
I think you've just got to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and realise, at heart.... your a BMW wanker 😜🤣
Well that makes it abundantly clear. >: Foccin comedian. :lol
I'm sure you've been called worse 🤣
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I'm sure you've been called worse 🤣
Foc you too :lol
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I get it completely. having ridden that r9t I think the new boxer twins are the perfect bike engine. The old ones were so shite too...
seriously, anybody who aint tried one should. BMW have really got their shit together now; if they are putting them new lumps in the GS range I'd be amazed anyone would consider similar priced adventure bikes from other manufacturers.
As for the BMW wanker thing, Ive got the HD wanker t shirt. I dont give a fuck. On the right day that old 1340 evolution engine and fatboy riding position at 45 mph around the forest roads is just the best feeling. Same as fast sticky black tarmacked welsh mountain roads flat stick on the fazer are. I'll never run with the Harley good old boys anymore than I would with Squids. I love the fattie for my own reasons, same as I do the fazer and the cb. If that bimmer had you grinning for the whole ride, that counts for everything imho.
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If that bimmer had you grinning for the whole ride, that counts for everything imho.
It did. It’s bonkers quick too. The 1250 engine is just incredible. Down side is are there are no used uns available as it’s just out. And I wouldn’t want anything else than the naked version.
Now I have to figure out BMW options.
Oh quick shifters? I have no idea why anybody would want one. I found when you used it on full pelt, if you want a truly smooth change you need to back the throttle off just a tad – so what’s the point? But if you roll, or snap it off and back on like an ordinary bike it confuses the foc out of the thing.
The one extra that puzzles me is Dynamic ESA which is electronic suspension. The bike I rode had it. The fella was showing me all the options, the different ways it could be set up and asking me how I wanted it set up. So we ended up on auto mode whatever that is.
I’m inclined to think it’s bollocks like a quick shifter – just a gimmick. Or is it? Was that bike so good because of it’s ESA, or would I not be able to tell the difference?
Oh dear. BMW options lists. :\