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General => General => Topic started by: Bitfik on 28 March 2012, 06:01:10 pm
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Is there going to be a fuel strike? I just heard that David Cameron has advised people to fill their tanks. Does he not know that, thanks to his and previous governments taxes, we can't feckin afford to shell out a hundred quid to fill our tanks???
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Well then, there'll be no panic buying, no shortage, and no problem. Simples :angel
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Brilliant! Never thought of it like that! Can't afford petrol anymore, therefore won't contribute to any fuel rush :)
Big society in action
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I filled up both cars. £140.... and they weren't that empty! I think I'll leave the Fazer half full for a bit :lol
Plus the £25 to fill the LPG tank... Could do £200 filling the lot up from nearly empty :eek
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I have a plan. I need a full tank before Easter and another full tank over easter. If things get dodgy next week, I will fill the tank up once and work from home blaming fuel shortages for not going to Huntingdon! That gives me a full tank to play with over easter. I am off the following week but have a full tank on the bike and will get the eldest to fill his car up too just in case I need to go somewhere.
I am not panic buying, just filling up as normal. His car is "in the red" now and mine will be by the time I get home tomorrow.
Last time there was a fuel strike I tried the "I dont have enough to get there and back" and the feccin company found me a hire car with enough derv to get to the warehouse we had that had its own derv tank. Bastids.
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IIRC, The government are looking to panic the public into filling their tanks, then they will drop the prices thus filling their coffers of duty from the more expensive fuel, personally I will not be filling up and use it an excuse to stay at home.
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The world will soon be full of nurses in blue uniforms claiming to be 'essential health workers' - just like last time.
There's a bright side to every crisis! :b
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Robby - the gov. don't set the price on a day to day basis! And the extra tax from one panic buy is pretty insignificant.
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I just heard that David Cameron has advised people to fill their tanks. Does he not know that, thanks to his and previous governments taxes, we can't feckin afford to shell out a hundred quid to fill our tanks???
IMO the idiot is trying to provoke a crisis so everyone will look badly on the tanker drivers.
I was on a ride out with a couple of other guys today, one pump at my local station had already run out and Wickham Service station was completely out of unleaded even though there isn't even a *date* for a strike yet!
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So, the government have been getting a lot of stick about rising fuel prices and need a way to shift public focus.
SIMPLES! Start a rumour that fuel may be in short supply so that all the people who have been moaning about the price rush out and fill their tanks. So now they have an immediate boost to tax revenues and stopped criticism because as the saying goes..................... "You never miss the water till the well runs dry"
BTW All the peeps with full tanks will need to panic buy again in a week or so IF the strike goes ahead.
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As already said,
Panic buying = huge injection of fuel tax cash into the Government.
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8.20 my local asda tail back out the garage and half way down road pertol price risen from yesterday 136,7 to 137,7 profitering gits
anyway i'd love to buy one litre and see them try to give me .3 change Rip off britian again there NO great in this country any more
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'As already said,
Panic buying = huge injection of fuel tax cash into the Government.'
As already said,
NO IT DOESN'T - nobodys using more fuel, just shifting when they buy it :wall
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Negotiations continue, no strike date has been announced. 7 days notice must be given by law.
I think the message is clear, Cameron wants a strike. And he's desperate to move the media on from the budget.
Job done.
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Tanker drivers must have unlimited overtime this week :lol
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He's drawing attention to strike action to divide the public and get support for when he takes on the unions, see also: general and teaching strikes last year.
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'As already said,
Panic buying = huge injection of fuel tax cash into the Government.'
As already said,
NO IT DOESN'T - nobodys using more fuel, just shifting when they buy it :wall
But it does, although limited it puts a huge amount of revenue in the pot short term, more people buy more fuel than they normally would and a lot will use their vehicle more instead of thinking not to do something because they are short of fuel.
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'more people buy more fuel than they normally would'
Yes, but it means they won't need to buy it next week instead :wall
'and a lot will use their vehicle more instead of thinking not to do something because they are short of fuel.' So they'll use the vehicle as normal then , not more!
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The world will soon be full of nurses in blue uniforms claiming to be 'essential health workers' - just like last time.
There's a bright side to every crisis! :b
Hey I might try that one seeing as I work in a hospital lol.
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He's drawing attention to strike action to divide the public and get support for when he takes on the unions, see also: general and teaching strikes last year.
:agree
yep and my understanding of why they are striking is because of the delivery companies pushing down the drivers wages and conditions.
With the Tories plan for regional pay negs for public service workers , because it makes in more difficult for private industry to hire, which I don't get because I damned sure as I'm an unemployed worker I ain't going to stay unemployed when offered a job by private industry just because public workers get paid more for doing the same job :\
It's looking more and more like they have a plan to totally demonise the Unions and introduce more legislation, so when they finally get rid of that obstacle ( that is the minimum wage ) to getting unemployment figures down there will be no real opposition.
You know things are bad when the Police plan to take a vote on whether they should be able to strike or not (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-to-vote-on-right-to-strike-7582623.html)
This lot are totally clueless crashing about trying to be Thatcher. :\
Fuel strike won't affect me, haven't been able to afford to run a vehicle for the last 3 years :D :'( :rolleyes
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But thats norm Sunny these days for companies to try to reduce wages im in the same boat with the NHS everyone wants a great company but not willing to take wage cuts , ive just received a letter this week that parking fees at the hospital is going up again :eek im not happy spending £500 a year to park at work
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Not wanting to add fuel to the fire :rollin but is it the end of the tax year? The Gooberment could be pulling out all the stops to get what little cash they can gleam from the sheeple into their coffers prior to the 5th April? I'm probably wrong there, but hey ho. Smear campaign on the unions could be the added bonus.... or it could be the other way round.
I'm all for 'everyone (who can) walk/cycle to work month' :b
Gooberment.... Where words speak louder than actions! :tape
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The lorry drivers would get a better effect if they blockaded all roads into london Let a few lorries into the capital to snarl up buses & taxies see if Cameron likes that on his own doorstep. Think it would have more of an impact & not disrupt the rest of the country because after all north of the watford gap does,nt exsist in parliment. :car
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price risen from yesterday 136,7 to 137,7 profitering gits
Count yourself lucky! Down here in Portsmouth, even before the stupid comments by Cameron and Mause, we were paying 139.9
Now, because I have to go to London tomorrow, I've just had to pay 146.9 at a BP station!
Foccing rip-off merchants :2guns
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For those thinking the panic buy thing is a government conspiracy to up tax income,
Here's another theory on it :)
Did Tories spur petrol panic to avoid recession?
by Sunny Hundal
Some people on Twitter believe almost every government action is a conspiracy to hide something else. I don’t always buy that, but the latest theory doing the rounds has some merit.
At midnight tonight, the First Quarter of the year ends. The UK is already in danger of falling into recession and the OECD is predicting it.
UK GDP fell by 0.3% in the fourth quarter of last year. Technically, two quarters of contraction in a row means a recession.
We already know the UK economy is stagnant and sick. We know that Osborne’s “most pro-growth budget ever” didn’t work. So a technical recession will make little material difference. But the political implications will be huge.
So could the government prevent a recession in such a way? I suppose that will require finding out how much extra money people have spent in panic-buying, and determining whether it will be significant enough to make a significant difference.
Full article here
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/03/29/did-tories-spur-petrol-panic-to-avoid-recession/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+liberalconspiracy+%28Liberal+Conspiracy%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher (http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/03/29/did-tories-spur-petrol-panic-to-avoid-recession/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+liberalconspiracy+%28Liberal+Conspiracy%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher)
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Went to my local BP garage yesterday, no busier than normal, drove straight in filled up and was gone in about 5Min's but it did cost £60 for just over 40 litres of Unleaded :eek
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i'm fed up with been accused of Panic buying!
I fill up twice a week for my Cage & my Bike when I need it , and as the sun has been out that was on red too!
I travel over 1000 miles a week to and from work and travel home to Cornwall to my family at weekends.
Morrisons queue last night they had to have security directing traffic around the car park and this morning the queue was nearly completly round the car park!
as its been stated on here the drivers have to give 7 days notice!
and the reason for a strike is Health & safety issues not pay or anything not serious!
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Just had to buy some petrol to get to work (could have cycled, but hey I recently got the moto back on the road). Expensive and the place was out of diesel.
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'the reason for a strike is Health & safety issues not pay or anything not serious!'
Allegedly...
And the irony is that the Gov have just announced the drivers can do an extra 2hrs on the road to keep the pumps topped up, so a bit of an own goal by the drivers :lol
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Not an own goal GF, a win. For them, it's not about hours it is more about elf and safety and pay/perks. Doing an extra few hours of OT wont do them (or us) any harm as they are limited on the hours they can drive normally. also, if there is a strike, they will get the same gain after they have had a few days off so they cover their losses. Bastids.
On top of all that, they have said there will be no strike over Easter. Why? Becasue if they did they would lose all the time & half and double time payments for working. They win all round.
Now, £45K per year for a relatively (compared to my job) stress free job working restricted hours. Think I might have to go and do my C+E and ADR course!
Alternatively, I hear they are runnning out of train and Tube drivers, another easy job :pokefun
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Just been to my local asda to fill up, as I have to go to Edinburgh tmw. Its all pay at pump, so normally no staff present - today there's security wallers there, and queues - never have queues (well beyond 1 car waiting). No problem actually getting fuel though, what is wrong with these tossers? :wall
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Not sure I agree Bobster - part of the Elf and safety was the number of hours they had to work which they said was too high. Well they're now allowed to do 2 more per day!
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On top of all that, they have said there will be no strike over Easter. Why? Becasue if they did they would lose all the time & half and double time payments for working. They win all round.
No becuase UNITE is sitting down with ACASS on Monday. In other words negotiations are ongoing. As such it's no longer legally possible to call an official strike over Easter due to the 7 days notice legal requirement.
Well they're now allowed to do 2 more per day!
Because otherwise the country would grind to a halt thanks to the governments rather silly advice. But I still think the crazy Tories would rather look like goons over this than discuss their budget.
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VNA, they could still have announced a strike to start in 7 days and do the negotiations in teh interveneing time :pokefun
It's all about overtime!
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a bit of an own goal by the drivers
Nope, the own goal was on the Government's side (or, rather, the Tories, I don't doubt). They tried to make the unions look bad, created a phoney crisis, created a whole bunch of unnecessary hassle for everyone and the drivers are now saying "Well we want to be reasonable, so we're willing to go back to the negotiating table" leaving Cameron and co looking really stupid for causing a situation they could have avoided.
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That's one way of looking at it Grahamm, a load of my mates reckon its not an own goal by the Tories at all, but a deliberate ploy to get people attention away from the budget.
I dunno which it is, but if my mates are right, its worked pretty well...
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VNA, they could still have announced a strike to start in 7 days and do the negotiations in teh interveneing time ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/pokefun.gif[/url])
It's all about overtime!
Strike action is not called until negotiations have failed. Strike action is a last resort, and frankly nobody wants to go out on strike. But sure, if Monday's negotiations break down with no hope of a settlement , then yes a strike will be called, but that means due to anti-union strike laws that there is still time left for employers to come back to the table (or 7 days to put in place contingency plans).
Trust me, the last thing you want to do is strike, if you do strike you certainly don't want to have to give 7 days notice of doing so.
As for OT, yes the government is doing an absolutely brilliant job of creating overtime for the drivers.
a load of my mates reckon its not an own goal by the Tories at all, but a deliberate ploy to get people attention away from the budget.
You could be right. Even making a total James Hunt of yourself is preferable to talking about that budget. However I'm not sure how long the Tories will want to play this one out for. Play with petrol and well, lets not go there just now, but a settlement sometime next week and some new news stories would be perfect for the Tories. I'm sure Tory spin doctors will doing even more OT than the drivers.