I thought it was April 1st so wizzed over to BBC News - wow!I got my finger on the political pulse.
Mrs May has had enough of the sniping from the remainders in labour and lib dems and the lords on brexit so she has called for a general election to ask for a mandate on the Governments current brexit path...... is her view on the matter.
General Election on the 8th June looks like a second EU referendum by any other name.
Mrs May has had enough of the sniping from the remainders in labour and lib dems and the lords on brexit so she has called for a general election to ask for a mandate on the Governments current brexit path
Another few months of tossers from every political persuasion spouting manipulated statistics, lies and bollocks and when they don't win tell us that we are the problem as we didn't vote the right way i.e. for them.I agree 100%-The media is bad enough without all these incompetents spouting forth their nonsense!
Looks like I won't be watching any news channel until st least September.
At least one good thing will come out of it. The Labour party will get hammered and THEN they CAN get rid of that fecking ejit Corbyn.
Sadly I believe that in this election if the Tories get a landslide it WILL be the death knell of the United Kingdom.
Corbyn is here to stay.
May only has one line - 'Corbyn is no leader', like a stuck record.
Until at least 9th June
I never said it was up to me, you are reading what you want to, - read again I said until June 9th, meaning that he by himself will go after loosing massively .QuoteUntil at least 9th June
Fazersharp - it's not up to you who leads the labour party.
What I'm telling you is that if the MP's don't support their leader in this campaign and the election is lost as a result. If they then hold a vote of no confidence in their leader, then the membership will re-elect Corbyn. The MP’s will have to learn to respect the membership. There’s no going back to the Blairite days.
The Labour MPs will rally round Corbyn, there won't be any dissent until after the electionWhether or not the Labour MP’s can behave themselves for the next 7 weeks or not is immaterial – the damage has already been done.
Blair and Brown should both be in prison.I don’t disagree. But Blair and Brown are Tories. Thatcher’s biggest achievement was Tony Blair and the Tory infiltration of the Labour Party.
I think the next labour leader will be David Miliband:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
don't vote for any of the B******s, you only encourage them to think they know it all--when they friggin don't.
Meanwhile Theresa May electoral campaign start sees the love of the people of Bolton. And a cab driver shows her the two fingers. Can't stop laughing...
Meanwhile Theresa May electoral campaign start sees the love of the people of Bolton. And a cab driver shows her the two fingers. Can't stop laughing...
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2017/04/19/bolton-voters-show-theresa-may-in-no-uncertain-terms-what-they-think-of-her/ (https://tompride.wordpress.com/2017/04/19/bolton-voters-show-theresa-may-in-no-uncertain-terms-what-they-think-of-her/)
https://www.facebook.com/socialistsense/videos/1955620331391732/ (https://www.facebook.com/socialistsense/videos/1955620331391732/)
Lets have more referendums that's what i say. And another thing, apparently Prince Philip is to retire from public duties due to his long service and old age. I think he should have an ATOS work capability assessment, I think he's fit to work. He can walk, talk and use his hands, that's a hell of alot more than the scrounging malingerers they approve, Otherwise he should have his benefits stopped.
Given a choice I would rather have Blair back in power than Corbyn or that bimbo May, one condition though he puts a gag on that fucking twat he is married to. ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/smile.gif[/url])
So VNA will you be voting Labour then in Scotland instead of SNP? well I never.
Tony Blair was one of the best Prime Ministers the UK have had since Adam was a lad. His biggest mistake was he stayed to long.
Labour party is unelectable with Corbyn or even without him the British public are sick of the same old socialist crap, that was why new Labour was invented.
If Corbyn is unelectable, it's because the Daily Mail and Express are (again) telling people how to think, and they are too stupid to notice.
If Corbyn is unelectable, it's because the Daily Mail and Express are (again) telling people how to think, and they are too stupid to notice.
Indeed, they are too busy reading The Sun. ;)
Tony Blair was one of the best Prime Ministers the UK have had since Adam was a lad. His biggest mistake was he stayed to long.
The Labour party is unelectable with Corbyn or even without him the British public are sick of the same old socialist crap, that was why new Labour was invented.
Nothing wrong with Corbyn.
I mean seriously he is by far too extreme.
Fazersharp is right, whatever you think about Brexit, if you vote Tory you are voting for a worse NHS, worse schools, more cuts, and god help you if you become unemployed.
You are not voting for a leader, you are voting for a party.Persoanlly I vote for the candidate first, the party second. Sadly today people seem to vote as if this is a presidential election.
Then tell me it's not brainwashing.
I got outFazersharp;
Mrs May with a strong UK backing will be able to get the best brexit possible
I know that -- you know what I meant :rolleyes you don't have to pick an argument with every single comment people make -- like this I am going to doQuoteI got outFazersharp;
The UK is still today a fully paid up member of the EU. It has triggered article 50, which is a means to negotiate ‘our’ way out of our contractual membership of the EU.
Yup, you are voting for zero hours contractsYou know a lot of people actually like zero hours contracts as it suits them. Has Mc Donalds just offered to change from zero hours to contracted but there was not a massive take up
You know a lot of people actually like zero hours contracts as it suits them.Yes, but a lot don't and have no choice, as it's all they can get. What is wrong is where a zero hours contract includes compulsory 24/7 availability, and disallows taking other employment. Employers having their cake and eating it, and disassembly of all employees' rights. But that of course is Conservative policy.
Yes, but a lot don't and have no choice, as it's all they can get. What is wrong is where a zero hours contract includes compulsory 24/7 availability, and disallows taking other employment. Employers having their cake and eating it, and disassembly of all employees' rights. But that of course is Conservative policy.
I know that -- you know what I meant ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/url]) you don't have to pick an argument with every single comment people make
I know that -- you know what I meant :rolleyes you don't have to pick an argument with every single comment people make -- like this I am going to doQuoteI got outFazersharp;
The UK is still today a fully paid up member of the EU. It has triggered article 50, which is a means to negotiate ‘our’ way out of our contractual membership of the EU.
QuoteYup, you are voting for zero hours contractsYou know a lot of people actually like zero hours contracts as it suits them. Has Mc Donalds just offered to change from zero hours to contracted but there was not a massive take up
If you want to pick out 3 words from a whole post and quote them out of context then that's up to you but when read all together anyone can see what I was pointing out, let me remind you
Pay bedroom tax, wtf!! she does not even pay the repairs for her gaff, what is it £390 million for Buck house.
QuoteIf you want to pick out 3 words from a whole post and quote them out of context then that's up to you but when read all together anyone can see what I was pointing out, let me remind you
I didn't quote them out of context. But hey, instead of just saying - whoops sorry what I really mean't to say was.... - if you wanna blame me for what you said, well fire away :rollin
Meanwhile guaranteed rights to holiday pay, maternity and paternal leave, equal treatment for part time and agency workers, along with EU consumer protection, travel protections, the working time directive and many other benefits written into EU law will be torn up by the Tories.
And of course my country Scotland voted to stay in. Yet people in English bought into a xenophobic campaign
But hey, instead of just saying - whoops sorry what I really mean't to say was.And
How can I know what you meant when you said something entirely different from what you actually now tell us you meant? ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/crazy.gif[/url])
Meanwhile guaranteed rights to holiday pay, maternity and paternal leave, equal treatment for part time and agency workers, along with EU consumer protection, travel protections, the working time directive and many other benefits written into EU law will be torn up by the Tories.
and thats the point WE CAN boot them out - unlike the Eurocrats who are making our laws for us.
So the statement by the government about funding for repairs to Buck house is just bullshit then is it. Crown estates contributions to Government revenue? do you mean like income tax? so they pay that the same as anyone else then? I pay income tax but I still have to pay for a new roof when I will need one. No one is giving me a free lunch in actual fact had £200 winter fuel allowance taken of me because I no longer live in the UK, never mind that I paid into the system all my working life and never once have I ever received any form of Social welfare benefit. I live in France and from mid October until Mid March there was hardly a day the temperature went above zero!!! Not often do I agree with VNA but sadly Joe public in the UK is going to get well and truly shafted on June the 8th. PM May was a remainer but now she like fecking Boudica and jumped on the Brexit brigade leading the charge into economic ruin.Pay bedroom tax, wtf!! she does not even pay the repairs for her gaff, what is it £390 million for Buck house.
“The Crown Estate has already paid for the renovation [of Buckingham Palace] many times over by way of their contributions to Government revenue. In fact, they’ve already paid for it six times over in the last ten years alone having paid £2.4 billion to the Treasury over that period”
Huffington Post, 21 November 2016
https://fullfact.org/economy/paying-buckingham-palace-cost-refurbishment/ (https://fullfact.org/economy/paying-buckingham-palace-cost-refurbishment/)
I have said it before but Tony Blair was the best PM the labour party and the UK have had in decades.Bollocks Tony Bliar should be locked up and the key thrown away.
Hmmmm. I could have stayed in and read all this and contemplated politics for the day.
But foc it, it's all totally irrelevant anyway, so I went out in the warm spring sunshine for a ride in the Lake District instead:
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JWhy won't TM face JC in a TV debate?.....coz he'd rip her up for arse paper. Make no mistake, they're running scared of JC.I think the reason is that She ( May ) doesent want to give any legitimisation by being in a tv debate with him. I think the plan was not to join any debate and let it be a "runners up debate" with labour - greens and lib dem.
I voted for Brexit, I am not stupid, xenophobic , selfish or any other insult you want to throw and neither are most of the other people I know who voted Brexit.
The remainers are just pissed off because we did not vote how the so called experts and liberal elite told us how we should vote.
How can anyone contemplate voting for Mr. Corbyn
his IRA links outweigh any brilliance
I may be biased after 26 years in the Armed Forces but some things cannot be forgiven.
I think the reason is that She ( May ) doesn’t want to give any legitimisation by being in a tv debate with him.
Yes go figure -- I figure May is a smart cookie and Corbin less of a smart cookie and more of a ginger nut shortbread.QuoteI think the reason is that She ( May ) doesn’t want to give any legitimisation by being in a tv debate with him.
She has a massive lead. Why risk it in a debate? She won’t score points in such debate. Instead she’ll focus on stuff like ‘The One Show’ and talk about who puts the bins out in the May household. Go figure.
You are doing it again, stating the bleedin obvious, of course people know that, but every vote for a Labour MP is a step closer to Corbin becoming the prime minster.QuoteHow can anyone contemplate voting for Mr. CorbynWell first they would have to reside in the right constituency. This is not a presidential election.
Yes go figure -- I figure May is a smart cookie and Corbin less of a smart cookie and more of a ginger nut shortbread.
You are doing it again, stating the bleedin obvious, of course people know that
Quotehis IRA links outweigh any brilliance
Mr Corbyn was not and is not a member of the IRA.
my issue with him, on the IRA matter, is that he rubbed shoulders with McGuinness and killer Adams, at the height of the troubles, long before they ceased fire, started a dialogue or decommission.
I can't see any valid defence of this.
Quotemy issue with him, on the IRA matter, is that he rubbed shoulders with McGuinness and killer Adams, at the height of the troubles, long before they ceased fire, started a dialogue or decommission.
You don’t make peace with your friends.
I don’t see what the issue is. It wasn’t long before it was government policy to speak to terrorists, and indeed that’s exactly what Mo Mowlam did. Eventually through dialogue a cease fire and a peace agreement followed.
Mr Corbyn has always unequivocally condemned IRA violence, but he has (rightly I say) insisted on acknowledging the role of atrocities like Bloody Sunday and the treatment of IRA prisoners in precipitating radicalisation.QuoteI can't see any valid defence of this.
The Thatcher government’s policy was an absolute utter failure. And it cost a heck of a lot of lives. Only when others adopted Mr Corbyn’s approach was progress made.
Mr Corbyn’s approach to the IRA is all the more reason to vote for him.
The government of John Major told the IRA via the back channels that no formal, open dialogue was possible until a ceasefire.
I have no problem with those who met with IRA-Sinn Fein after the first ceasefire of the early 90s
Blairs solution to getting his name down for getting the peace solution resolved was, amongst other things, giving 95 ira suspects responsible for at least 300 murders anonymity, and freedom from prosecution. It was a surrender, nothing less. To ordinary people like myself, this contrast with the way the Labour Party betrayed us and protected terrorists compared to the way the liberal left still want to demonise and prosecute soldiers who served in conflicts from the troubles in NI to the Iraq war is repellant.I hear what you are saying Ogri48. But what is most disturbing of all is that nobody has been brought to task for our illegal war in Iraq. And let us not forget David Cameron involved us in a bloody and failed conflict in Libya.
Feel free to buy into the lies of the right-wing press
QuoteThe government of John Major told the IRA via the back channels that no formal, open dialogue was possible until a ceasefire.
Informal talks in other words. They had accepted that their policy over the last decade had failed.
I'd hardly call an absolute expectationg of a ceasefire prior to talks 'splitting hairs'
I suspect the likes of Corbyn would have happily 'given' NI to the Republic without one second of thought to the unionist and protestant community and their human rights or wishes.
How can anyone contemplate voting for Mr. Corbyn, his IRA links outweigh any brilliance (though I think he is an ideological idiot) he may have. I may be biased after 26 years in the Armed Forces but some things cannot be forgiven. I'd lock him up.Not going to get into a keyboard warrior discussion about my views so have quoted myself along with a screenshot (of which there are a number) of a little light reading from the press. Please don't misquote me.
Labour have no chance, they are not trusted or trustworthy and screwed up so many things last time. I'm not a 'Dyed in the wool' Tory voter, never went to University (got some O levels), come from a line of Joiners and Miners and am from County Durham, a labour stronghold, but wouldn't vote labour ever, I wouldn't let them run my bath, let alone a country. Imagine having Diane Abbot in charge of stuff, she's one of their top politicians, scary.
I have a question for VNA. Why does Nicola Sturgeon want to be in on Brexit negotiations when as far as the SNP is concerned, Scotland is going to be independent in the not-too-distant future, and will remain a part of the EU? I'm puzzled as to why she wants to be in on deciding the rest of the UK's fate. It doesn't seem right to me.Also she bangs on about being ruled by Westminster 200 miles away and yet is happy to be ruled by Brussels 500 miles away.
Not going to get into a keyboard warrior discussion about my views so have quoted myself along with a screenshot (of which there are a number) of a little light reading from the press. Please don't misquote me.
I see Corbyn has said a Labour government will now build new Nuclear powered Submarines to replace Trident.
…Quite.
So what do you do if you don't trust Labour on defence or the economy, but you don't trust the Tories for a fair society? And you think UKIP are now irrelevant? And you think the Greens are a joke? And you're concerned about how Brexit goes, but you never quite trusted the direction the EU is going in? Sometimes, I'm just so confused
I'll never vote corbyn as long as he got an hole up his ass.
he has to go before labour get my vote.
especially after other recent gaffs by, and divisions between, Labour members.
So what do you do if you don't trust Labour on defence or the economy, but you don't trust the Tories for a fair society?
especially after other recent gaffs by, and divisions between, Labour members.
Oh yes, like Diane Abbot saying new Police Officers costing £300,000 instead of £3,000,000 and that being all over the news for a whole day.
By the way, did you hear about Philip Hammond get the price of the HS2 rail link wrong by 20 *BILLION* pounds ([url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-hammond-hs2-cost-wrong-20bn-radio-interview-highspeed-railway-4-today-programme-election-2017-a7742006.html[/url])? No? I wonder why not...?QuoteSo what do you do if you don't trust Labour on defence or the economy, but you don't trust the Tories for a fair society?
As I said in the post above: Vote Tactically ([url]http://tactical2017.com/[/url]) to stop Kim Jong May getting an elected dictatorship.
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I have read & considered every post on this thread. Like many of my age I have seen so many changes politically,economically,socially in my 69 years.
I believe my country no longer has a clear sense of its role in the global economy. Our political institutions appear outdated & ineffectual. We , the ordinary citizens, are told to economise,tighten our belts,work harder with less job security,worse conditions of employment, & an uncertain old age(financially & health care provision). I have never known such a wide differential between the wealthy & the rest.
In my lifetime I can only think of one politician who made a lasting impact on the well being of the nation: Aneurin Bevan who formulated & implemented the NHS postwar.
I found myself watching the national news becoming increasingly angry, outraged, disillusioned by what i saw & heard.
Most daily newspapers are a joke but many seem to lap it all up & believe everything they read simply because its the printed word.
i was very fortunate to be born into postwar Britain & have the advantage of a good upbringing,education through the state system,& free healthcare all at a time of more or less full employment.
Now I SHOULD exercise my democratic right & vote on June 8th-but who for & for what? I, like Hedgetrimmer, am confused. I am deliberately keeping my personal views on Ireland, & other shameful involvements in other countries affairs out of this debate but I have little or no faith in any of the present crop of politicians making any beneficial changes let alone keeping any so-called election promises! :eek
Now I SHOULD exercise my democratic right & vote on June 8th-but who for & for what?
Really pissed about the tuition fee saga....if they are now ended then there is a band of about four years of students that carry debts of around £50k that students either side do not have....how can that be fair?£50 k student debt how are they managing to run up those debts. Most likely because they are on the piss and partying , designer clothes. Funny how my lad did a 4 year course, a year of which was spent in France and came out of Uni with absolutely no debts what so ever. Let me see now did he live at home while at Uni? no he shared a rented house with 5 mates he met at Uni. Did the bank of mum & dad fund him all the way through Uni, no not entirely, we paid 50% of his tuition fees. Did he miss out on his social life while at Uni ? , no, because if it had tits he shagged it. Did he go hungry and have a crap diet?no, as he always was interested in cooking and was a foodie.
That's one hell of a burden to go into adulthood with....and they wonder why home ownership is slowing!!
every time May is on TV she comes across a right thick twat and like the milk snatcher, gets the hump if anyone dares question her. Then we have Corbyn who comes across as articulate and caring......all the things she isn't. I know where my vote's goingWhy is it that corbin always talks with his head twisted to one side, is it just me who has notices that.
every time May is on TV she comes across a right thick twat and like the milk snatcher, gets the hump if anyone dares question her. Then we have Corbyn who comes across as articulate and caring......all the things she isn't. I know where my vote's going
And now we have the U turn on the dementia issue
Now I SHOULD exercise my democratic right & vote on June 8th-but who for & for what?
If you can't decide who to vote *for*, then figure out who you want to vote *against*.
Does your local MP represent your views? Look at [url]http://www.theyworkforyou.com[/url] ([url]http://www.theyworkforyou.com[/url]) and see what their voting record is on the issues that matter to you. If you disagree with what they stand for, vote for the candidate that has the best chance of beating them.
Really pissed about the tuition fee saga....if they are now ended then there is a band of about four years of students that carry debts of around £50k that students either side do not have....how can that be fair?£50 k student debt how are they managing to run up those debts. Most likely because they are on the piss and partying , designer clothes. Funny how my lad did a 4 year course, a year of which was spent in France and came out of Uni with absolutely no debts what so ever. Let me see now did he live at home while at Uni? no he shared a rented house with 5 mates he met at Uni. Did the bank of mum & dad fund him all the way through Uni, no not entirely, we paid 50% of his tuition fees. Did he miss out on his social life while at Uni ? , no, because if it had tits he shagged it. Did he go hungry and have a crap diet?no, as he always was interested in cooking and was a foodie.
That's one hell of a burden to go into adulthood with....and they wonder why home ownership is slowing!!
So you may ask how did he come out debt free. Simple before he even left school he had a Part time job in Sainsbury's and banked everything he earned, also while at Uni he worked two part time jobs. Most students spend on average 12.5>14.5 hours a week in class so wtf are they doing the rest of the time, okay they will be doing home studies as well for a couple of hours after finishing Uni for the day. If my lad wanted clothes he went to Tescos or Asda , the designer gear was binned as he reckoned a £6.00 pair of Tescos own brand jeans covered his arse just as well as a £30 pair of Wranglers or Levi's, as he explained to me, you see dad the £24 I saved on the jeans is my beer money or groceries etc! He did have one mate who came out with £37k debt and he was doing the same course. My lad got a Double 1st in French & European Business studies from Liverpool University. He then wanted to do his Master degree which he did at Bordeaux University, they paid him €1500 a month while he studied there, he was being paid as he was teaching the French English as a foreign language for 6 hours a week. His mate who ran up£37k debt passed his degree gaining I think the term is a Desmond as in 2.2. So as far as I am concerned running up£50k in debt is only achievable if one is a party animal and also a lazy fecker.
Really pissed about the tuition fee saga....if they are now ended then there is a band of about four years of students that carry debts of around £50k that students either side do not have....how can that be fair?£50 k student debt how are they managing to run up those debts. Most likely because they are on the piss and partying , designer clothes. Funny how my lad did a 4 year course, a year of which was spent in France and came out of Uni with absolutely no debts what so ever. Let me see now did he live at home while at Uni? no he shared a rented house with 5 mates he met at Uni. Did the bank of mum & dad fund him all the way through Uni, no not entirely, we paid 50% of his tuition fees. Did he miss out on his social life while at Uni ? , no, because if it had tits he shagged it. Did he go hungry and have a crap diet?no, as he always was interested in cooking and was a foodie.
That's one hell of a burden to go into adulthood with....and they wonder why home ownership is slowing!!
So you may ask how did he come out debt free. Simple before he even left school he had a Part time job in Sainsbury's and banked everything he earned, also while at Uni he worked two part time jobs. Most students spend on average 12.5>14.5 hours a week in class so wtf are they doing the rest of the time, okay they will be doing home studies as well for a couple of hours after finishing Uni for the day. If my lad wanted clothes he went to Tescos or Asda , the designer gear was binned as he reckoned a £6.00 pair of Tescos own brand jeans covered his arse just as well as a £30 pair of Wranglers or Levi's, as he explained to me, you see dad the £24 I saved on the jeans is my beer money or groceries etc! He did have one mate who came out with £37k debt and he was doing the same course. My lad got a Double 1st in French & European Business studies from Liverpool University. He then wanted to do his Master degree which he did at Bordeaux University, they paid him €1500 a month while he studied there, he was being paid as he was teaching the French English as a foreign language for 6 hours a week. His mate who ran up£37k debt passed his degree gaining I think the term is a Desmond as in 2.2. So as far as I am concerned running up£50k in debt is only achievable if one is a party animal and also a lazy fecker.
Explain to me what part of my post is NOT true I am describing what my son achieved and how he came out of UNI debt free. Why go to a London UNI then as surely you know living cost are through the roof down there. Yes that was 8 years since my lad was at UNI but he had sense enough to look in an area that would still be fun to study in and housing was not the rip off prices of London , he went to Liverpool Uni not John Moores by the way. Has the individual you mention got a part time Job, or are they fully relying on bank of mum & dad.Really pissed about the tuition fee saga....if they are now ended then there is a band of about four years of students that carry debts of around £50k that students either side do not have....how can that be fair?£50 k student debt how are they managing to run up those debts. Most likely because they are on the piss and partying , designer clothes. Funny how my lad did a 4 year course, a year of which was spent in France and came out of Uni with absolutely no debts what so ever. Let me see now did he live at home while at Uni? no he shared a rented house with 5 mates he met at Uni. Did the bank of mum & dad fund him all the way through Uni, no not entirely, we paid 50% of his tuition fees. Did he miss out on his social life while at Uni ? , no, because if it had tits he shagged it. Did he go hungry and have a crap diet?no, as he always was interested in cooking and was a foodie.
That's one hell of a burden to go into adulthood with....and they wonder why home ownership is slowing!!
So you may ask how did he come out debt free. Simple before he even left school he had a Part time job in Sainsbury's and banked everything he earned, also while at Uni he worked two part time jobs. Most students spend on average 12.5>14.5 hours a week in class so wtf are they doing the rest of the time, okay they will be doing home studies as well for a couple of hours after finishing Uni for the day. If my lad wanted clothes he went to Tescos or Asda , the designer gear was binned as he reckoned a £6.00 pair of Tescos own brand jeans covered his arse just as well as a £30 pair of Wranglers or Levi's, as he explained to me, you see dad the £24 I saved on the jeans is my beer money or groceries etc! He did have one mate who came out with £37k debt and he was doing the same course. My lad got a Double 1st in French & European Business studies from Liverpool University. He then wanted to do his Master degree which he did at Bordeaux University, they paid him €1500 a month while he studied there, he was being paid as he was teaching the French English as a foreign language for 6 hours a week. His mate who ran up£37k debt passed his degree gaining I think the term is a Desmond as in 2.2. So as far as I am concerned running up£50k in debt is only achievable if one is a party animal and also a lazy fecker.
Unfortunately not true Lew
Someone close to me in this situation...not a party animal at all. 3 years in London with no student accommodation and £9k annual tuition fees plus accommodation plus living costs and occasional travel home puts them into this situation.
I think that figure is relating to 7 years to train as a doctor in London.
Sorry but there is no way any student should be racking up £50k in debt going through Uni.
Dumb , dumber or dumbest , where to put my X .
Dumb , dumber or dumbest , where to put my X .
Greedy self serving wanker, greedier self serving wanker, greediest self serving wanker is more like it.
Dumb , dumber or dumbest , where to put my X .
Greedy self serving wanker, greedier self serving wanker, greediest self serving wanker is more like it.
But surely this is the problem? We all know none of them are fit for the job yet we have no choice but to pick one? Why haven't we all stood up and said fuck off? A democracy is no good if all you get to decide is which pile of shit your gonna land in.
| Newspaper(s) | Combined print and online readership (In brackets print alone) | Effective owner/s | Information about effective owner/s | Political orientation of newspaper/s | % of combined print and online (Print alone) |
| The Sun/The Sun on Sunday | 13,674,000 (12,765,000) | Rupert Murdoch | Billionaire. Lives in US. Alleged tax avoider (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/02/99/e-cyclopedia/302366.stm). | Supported Tories in 2010 | 18.6% (20.7%) |
| The Mail/ Mail on Sunday | 12,188,000 (9,534,000) | Lord Rothermere | Billionaire. Lives in France. Non-domiciled for UK tax (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-viscount-of-middle-england-lord-rothermere-is-the-last-of-the-grandee-press-barons-a-product-of-old-money-and-social-privilege-living-in-maverick-style-but-his-empire-has-at-its-heart-the-newmonied-aspirational-conservatism-of-the-daily-mail-1491370.html) | Supported Tories in 2010 | 16.5% (15.5%) |
| Metro | 7,986,000 (7,597,000) | Lord Rothermere | Billionaire. Lives in France. Non-domiciled for UK tax | Supported Tories in 2010 | 10.8% (12.3%) |
| Mirror/Sunday Mirror/ People | 7,874,000 (7,063,000) | Trinity Mirror plc | Public Limited Company | Supported Labour in 2010 | 10.7% (11.4%) |
| The Guardian/The Observer | 5,342,000 (2,898,000) | Scott Trust Ltd | A company with purpose “to secure Guardian’s independence” (http://www.gmgplc.co.uk/the-scott-trust/) | Supported Lib Dems in 2010 | 7.3% (4.7%) |
| Telegraph/ Sunday Telegraph | 4,998,000 (3,128,000) | David and Frederick Barclay | Billionaires. Live on private island near Sark. Alleged tax avoiders. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2012/dec/17/barclay-brothers-bbc) | Supported Tories in 2010 | 6.8% (5.1%) |
| The Times/ Sunday Times | 4,608,000 (4,418,000) | Rupert Murdoch | Billionaire. Lives in US. Alleged tax avoider. | Supported Tories in 2010 | 6.3% (7.2%) |
| The Independent/ i/Independent on Sunday | 4,002,000 (2,770,000) | Alexander (father)and Evgeny (son) Lebedev | Alexander is a billionaire, ex-KGB and lives in Russia. Evgeny lives in the UK | Supported anti-Tory tactical voting in 2010 | 5.4% (4.5%) |
| London Evening Standard | 3,850,000 (3,443,000) | Alexander and Evgeny Lebedev | Alexander is billionaire, ex-KGB and lives in Russia. Evgeny lives in UK | Supported Tories in 2010 | 5.2% (5.6%) |
| Daily Express/Sunday Express | 3,118,000 (2,756,000) | Richard Desmond | Billionaire pornographer (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8827987/Porn-baron-Richard-Desmond-is-David-Camerons-guest-at-Chequers.html). Alleged tax avoider (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/panorama-truth-about-tax.html). | Supported Tories in 2010 | 4.2% (4.5%) |
| Daily Star/Daily Star Sunday | 2,972,000 (2,873,000) | Richard Desmond | Billionaire pornographer. Alleged tax avoider. | Supported Tories in 2010 | 4.0% (4.7%) |
| Daily Record/ Sunday Mail | 1,719,000 (1,527,000) | Trinity Mirror plc | Public limited company | Supported Labour in 2010 | 2.3% (2.5%) |
| Financial Times | 1,339,000 (928,000) | Pearson plc | Public limited company | Supported Tories in 2010 | 1.8% (1.5%) |
| TOTALS | 73,670,000 (61,700,000) |
| Effective owner(s) | % of combined print and online (print alone) |
| Lord Rothermere | 27.3 (27.8) |
| Rupert Murdoch | 24.9 (27.9) |
| Trinity Mirror plc | 13.0 (13.9) |
| Alexander and Evgeny Lebedev | 10.6 (10.1) |
| Richard Desmond | 8.2 (9.2) |
| Scott Trust | 7.3 (4.7) |
| David and Frederick Barclay | 6.8 (5.1) |
| Pearson plc | 1.8 (1.5) |
Does he or she have a part time job??simple question. and as I said my lad was happy to wear Tescos own clothing brands and save a few quid. He also only had hand me done mobile phones not state of the art. Sorry but there is no way any student should be racking up £50k in debt going through Uni.
When my lad was thinking about getting married he mentioned how Liz was talking about how they would have to pull together to help clear her student debts £28k , my advice was to tell her they are her debts not theirs , thankfully he took that on board and went their separate ways.
Call me what you want but todays youth want everything on a plate , I see it with my Grand daughter and nieces & nephews children. get things far to easy in life and want mum & dad to pay for it.
Jesus, what're Labour gonna do if they win, make Monopoly money legal currency?!
I’ve never in my life voted Tory and I never will.Likewise will NEVER EVER vote Tory,and theres no shortage of lunatics out there :eek
And, of course, we now know that it was Theresa May that resided over an open door policy for Libyan UK residents with known terrorists links to travel between Libya and the UK in 2011.
Why on earth would anybody want this lunatic as their Prime Minister.
Almost everything corbin does makes him look like a blundering fool.
Just seen him on tv saying everyone loves football just like I do and then trys to kick a ball - stands on it and almost falls over, like he has never kicked a ball in his life
I remember the 1970s and the last of the Corbyn type labour politicians in power, mortgage rate around 11/12%
no coal
power cuts
and the country was run by militant union leaders not the government
Don't fall for the same s**t they peddled then else your kids and grand kids will pay for it like I and my kids did.
I remember the 1970s and the last of the Corbyn type labour politicians in power, mortgage rate around 11/12%, no coal, power cuts, 3 day working week so short wages, rubbish piling up in the streets, and the country was run by militant union leaders not the government.They tried the same policies then and they didn't work borrowed billions just to keep our country afloat. Don't fall for the same s**t they peddled then else your kids and grand kids will pay for it like I and my kids did.I remember the 1990s when a certain May type tory politician in power, mortgage rate hit 15%, we joined then had to quickly leave the Euro (then the ERM). The country was run by a mad woman under a personality cult whose ideology was to provoke the unions and bring them to submission. They also sold all of the council houses, so nobody now has anywhere to live. Don't fall for the same austerity s**t this one is peddling otherwise they'll be no NHS, no public services and we'll all be on zero hours contracts. Meanwhile the rich will just get richer.
Who to ?QuoteThey also sold all of the council houses,
Who to ?QuoteThey also sold all of the council houses,
Who to ?QuoteThey also sold all of the council houses,
A lot of them have ended up in the hands of rich bastards like this one ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/buy-to-let/12127666/Buy-to-let-Ive-doubled-my-yield-through-letting-ex-counci-houses.html[/url]) who are now letting them out to the same people who would have been living in a Council House, if such things existed any more.
But now the tenants are paying jacked up rents (which are more than a mortgage would cost on that property) and will never have anything to show for it because they can't afford to save enough to get a deposit.
So all they're doing is paying *someone else's* mortgage!
Let me move you a little to the centre away from the left tainted view.
They were sold to people actually living in them at the time, not only that but they were sold at a massive discount to the tenant depending on how long they had been renting.
I've got a week to go though and I suspect I won't have fully made up my mind until that tick goes in the box.
I always vote because if you don't vote you can't moan, IMO. But I'm really struggling this time round.:agree I feel that I have to do my citizens duty to vote but In past years I have carried out my duty and spoilt the ballot paper by writing "none of the above"
I've got a week to go though and I suspect I won't have fully made up my mind until that tick goes in the box.
I like to vote because there is a bar in the town hall where the polling station is ;)
labour wont be getting my vote thats for sure:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Just watched Andrew Neal questioning Tim Farron on BBC. How anybody can even contemplate voting for this idiot is beyond belief.
Andrew Neal is a legend.
Let me move you a little to the centre away from the left tainted view.They were sold to people actually living in them at the time, not only that but they were sold at a massive discount to the tenant depending on how long they had been renting.at well below market value, who then sold them on to private landlords and pocketed the cash. O and the local authorities were not even allowed to use the money from the sales to build more council homes to replace them. Just moving you away from your right tainted view. :lol [/font][/quote]
Fantastic. How nice and kind hearted of you Lew to let that lady stay rent free until the end of her days. So which one of the below best describes your selfless act.
When you bought your own council house the price you paid depended on how long you had lived in it. When you did buy it you were not allowed to sell it for 5 years.
I bought my mum her council house,the same house she raised my brother and me in. I paid £12,000 for it. My mum passed away within 12 months of me buying it. I had hell on with the council as they said I either had to live in it or sell it back to the council. The council offered me £7500 for it I told them to fuck off . I moved in for a couple weeks and when the dust settled my mums next door neighbour who had lived beside us for 40years gave up her council house and moved into ours. She lived there rent free until she died 8 years after my mum. I sold the house for £22,000 and gave my brother £5,000 as he could not afford to chip in with buying mums house.
private landlord and pocketing the cash
DSS property empire
low-quality housing provided by DSS landlords at eye watering rip off price
tax dodging bastards
filthy rich DSS landlord.
May says she is the best for the EU negotiations, but will she turn up on the negotiations? :lol
I get the feeling she isn't doing these interviews as she's arrogantly confident of winning the electionIndeed I agree arrogance is part of the equation.
Fantastic. How nice and kind hearted of you Lew to let that lady stay rent free until the end of her days. So which one of the below best describes your selfless act.
When you bought your own council house the price you paid depended on how long you had lived in it. When you did buy it you were not allowed to sell it for 5 years.
I bought my mum her council house,the same house she raised my brother and me in. I paid £12,000 for it. My mum passed away within 12 months of me buying it. I had hell on with the council as they said I either had to live in it or sell it back to the council. The council offered me £7500 for it I told them to fuck off . I moved in for a couple weeks and when the dust settled my mums next door neighbour who had lived beside us for 40years gave up her council house and moved into ours. She lived there rent free until she died 8 years after my mum. I sold the house for £22,000 and gave my brother £5,000 as he could not afford to chip in with buying mums house.Quoteprivate landlord and pocketing the cashQuoteDSS property empireQuotelow-quality housing provided by DSS landlords at eye watering rip off priceQuotetax dodging bastardsQuotefilthy rich DSS landlord.
And thanks for clarifying and debunking the spin that says people sold straight away at a profit. After 5 years the value would of gone up anyway and if people sold then that is where the profits would of come from.
Labour is closing the gap - Thank foc.I think its all fluff and hype -it feels like he is surrounded by a group of over zealous fanatics that whoop and cheer when he turns up, they probably get shipped around the country on the same bus.
Will Theresa May stand down if there is a hung parliament or if she is returned with a reduced majority?
Could it even be Prime Minister Corbyn ;)
I think its all fluff and hype -it feels like he is surrounded by a group of over zealous fanatics that whoop and cheer when he turns up, they probably get shipped around the country on the same bus.
The thing is it really annoys me is (all of them ) think we are so stupid we wouldn't notice.
VNA with your ramblings you are typical of the reason I will never vote labour, I would sooner vote for the devil himself than support a party with people like you supporting them.
After the sad events in London the Conservatives have suspended campaigning for how long? one would assume the other parties will follow suite.
VNA with your ramblings you are typical of the reason I will never vote labour, I would sooner vote for the devil himself than support a party with people like you supporting them.
Well Steve, if you vote for this Tory Government you be getting your wish!!! as in voting for the devil herself.
It's not about the candidates in my area it's about the whole sorry lot of them. If there was a monster raving looney party candidate I'd vote for them at least they are honest enough to admit the are complete fruit loops, as for the rest of them they couldn't lie straight in bed.
Tactical voting is voting for someone you don' t want to vote for just to try and stop someone who you don't want to vote for even less winning, instead of voting for the person who will serve the constituency and all its constituents the best.
Politician of all parties run off at the mouth when ever terrorist acts take place, but don't have the will or bottle to take the steps to counteract terrorists acts as it might be seen as racist or against there human rights.
Not long tae go now.
Go Jezza go!
Yeah, go and don't come back.
At least the Scott's have put that sturgeon woman back in her place, there will be no second referendum now.
All the Scott's we come into contact with are tradesmen in the construction industry, privateers and employed, they are out in the many small towns spread around Scotland and felt they had no hope of stopping it, now the election has come good for them.
So now if the politicians can work together we can get a more central school of thought to policies and keep everyone happy
Did the exit polls predict the SNP doing so badly ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/pokefun.gif[/url])
At least the Scott's have put that sturgeon woman back in her place, there will be no second referendum now.
The SNP lose 21 seats, a drop of 13% of the votes since 2015 and you say it is a resounding victory, foc knows what you would call a bloody loss.The SNP won 56 out of a possible 59 seats in 2015. That’s incredible. Labour had 1 seat, The Tories 1 seat and the Lid Dems 1 seat.
VNA be man enough to admit this election was a fucking disaster for the SNP they lost 21 seats ffs, and only hung onto one by 2 votesLew, I’m not a member of the SNP and I’m not an SNP supporter.
I don't agree with most of what you say VNA but your spot on Mays days are very much numbered.Nope we don’t often agree with each other, but on May, oh yes, agreed, her days are numbered.
now all we have is 650 gob s**ts that will spend who knows how many months until the next election scoring points of each other rather than governing this country and getting the best deal for us all on brexit.
Theresa May if she genuinely has the best interests of the whole of the UK at heart should resign and call another election, the EU and Brexit and the Euro 27 nations will just have to wait until we have sorted this shite out
(Ian Paisley with tits)
The Tory party spent £1.2 million claiming that Corbyn was dealing with the IRA, he never denied it he said he held talks trying to broker a peace.
Mrs May is just about to jump into bed with another pack of terrorists as in the DUP they all have blood on their hands are well known to be a corrupt bunch of tossers.
General Election on the 8th June looks like a second EU referendum by any other name.
Mrs May has had enough of the sniping from the remainders in labour and lib dems and the lords on brexit so she has called for a general election to ask for a mandate on the Governments current brexit path
Mrs May with a strong UK backing will be able to get the best brexit possible, you can not go into negations weak and divided as the euros will sh#t all over us.
Almost everything corbin does makes him look like a blundering fool.
Perhaps now is a good time to review initial post from fazersharp General Election 8th June.
QuoteGeneral Election on the 8th June looks like a second EU referendum by any other name.
Mrs May has had enough of the sniping from the remainders in labour and lib dems and the lords on brexit so she has called for a general election to ask for a mandate on the Governments current brexit pathQuoteMrs May with a strong UK backing will be able to get the best brexit possible, you can not go into negations weak and divided as the euros will sh#t all over us.
So clearly May has not received that mandate. She, and her BREXIT plans, have been rejected.
Mrs May with a strong UK backing will be able to get the best brexit possible, you can not go into negations weak and divided as the euros will sh#t all over us.
Conservatives got more seats and higher percentage of vote than any other party so if they do not have the mandate who does?
Ms May went to the country asking for a landslide majority in order that she have the strongest possible mandate for negotiation with the 27 countries of the EU.
Ms May who had a working majority, no longer has a majority. Ms May who repeatedly slandered Mr Corbyn for alleged links to the IRA is asking for the support of the political wing of the loyalist paramilitaries - The DUP.
And as fazersharp put it;QuoteMrs May with a strong UK backing will be able to get the best brexit possible, you can not go into negations weak and divided as the euros will sh#t all over us.
So my point to fazersharp is slappy;
Clearly May has not received that mandate. She, and her BREXIT plans, have been rejected.
Personally I think she has made a bit of a James Hunt of herself.
My question was who has the mandate if the Conservatives don't ?
you can not go into negations weak and divided as the euros will sh#t all over us.
so she has called for a general election to ask for a mandate on the Governments current brexit path
A poll carried out today has put Labour 6 points clear of the Conservatives.
And your point is what.QuoteMy question was who has the mandate if the Conservatives don't ?
According to Fazesharp;Quoteyou can not go into negations weak and divided as the euros will sh#t all over us.Quoteso she has called for a general election to ask for a mandate on the Governments current brexit path
Clearly the public have rejected her request.
A poll carried out today has put Labour 6 points clear of the Conservatives.
Bit late now haha
So what happens if May cannot get her queens speech through Parliament? I may be wrong but she will have to call another election.
What aboot Iris Robinson's teenage affair? That was interesting.
Then the whole green energy scheme thing. Apparently businesses have empty uninsulated sheds heated by biomass burning stoves and boilers on any spare bit of ground they have. You more you burn the more cash you make! What the foc!
They are not just nasty, hypocritical and corrupt, but uttery incompetant too.
Which makes you wonder, why on earth does anybdy vote for these fools - over to you Lew - cos I really dunno.
VNA sorry but you cannot completely lay the blame for the Bio mass cock upon the DUP. That has to be laid fairly at the feet of Arlene Foster as she was the minister in charge of the Department of Energy? the scheme at the time. this fuck up has cost the good folk of N Ireland £500 million and the bill is still going up day on day.