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General => General => Topic started by: DryRob on 17 March 2012, 01:34:53 pm
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I've been having an interesting discussion with someone on facebook regarding St. Patrick's day and it got me thinking about nationality. As there is a large geographic spread on here I was wondering what people from each of the respective nations think,
If you are born in England/Scotland/Wales are you English/Scottish/Welsh or British?
This thread isn't intended to be a platform for the type of racism it could easily degenerate into, I was just wondering how the home nations view their relationship with British nationality.
I personally see myself as English before British but in the same respect I see myself a Yorkshireman before an Englishman.
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Although I now live in England, I would consider myself a Cornishman, The cornish language is being revived and they are now celebrating St Pirans day but this revival has come about in the last 10/15 years. There are very few proper cornish people in the county now as most are outbred with englanders (myself included) and a lot of scots.
in this modern world is nationalism still important ?
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I'm Britsh/Uk, then English if they want more detail!
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I'm a Geordie and the UK should be renamed Geordieland IMO ;)
I have lived in Scotland for past 25 years and, although born and raised in the North East, I consider myself Scottish. The British identity does not even come into the equation for me.
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I consider myself from London and therefore a citizen of the world, but "Englishness" and "Britishness" - I cannot identify with them.
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Im a yam yam,
i usually just say British as I have a very P.C. job and cant be seen as discriminitive in any way...
but then with Irish and English blood in me then the fact that i spend 50% of my time in Wales and my great great grandparents being from Scotland......
Im proud to be English for the History of it but with the mix up i have.... i cant be anything but a Yamma!
(black country :lol )
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English but have Irish, Welsh and scandinavian through the ages so really a mix. However I am and always will be English but far too often I have to declare myself British for the pc brigade.
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Lancastrian :)
PC brigade can pucker up and kiss my pasty English arse :b ( with a little bit of Irish in the mix)
Phil
Bolton
LANCASHIRE.
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'I consider myself from London and therefore a citizen of the world, '
Typical Laaandaner - thinks it's the whole of the UK :lol
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Born and bread Welsh and always will be Welsh if asked I am Welsh and from the UK. On official forms when it gives you the option of nationality with no Welsh option I use "other" and write Welsh in the box.
Too much is made of "British" it is used by the PC brigade and the media for their own reasons and when it suits them. One glaring obvious one was the curling team from Scotland in the Olympics they were called the Scottish team until it looked like they had a chance of winning then it turns into the British team.
BTW another grand slam for the Welsh rugby squad well done boys :D
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I always say UK or English - British and Great Britain always sounded a little too colonial to me. Having said that I'd be sorry to see Scotland leave the union, not sure why tho...
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BTW another grand slam for the Welsh rugby squad well done boys :D
eerrr you mean the British rugby team?
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Another astonishing performance for the Scots and I think we have nearly enough wooden spoons to start rebuilding the wall out of them
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Southern English from, the Great Kingdom of Wessex. 8)
I've found that your nationality is something that others place on you more times than not.
I've been called an English B@rest@rd more times than I care to remember :rollin
The English are the most mongrelised people in Europe, and Nationality is a matter of birth, or choice by applying for a passport and right of residency in another country.
If we've all going to dig back in our Ancestry until we find a country we would like to be from.
I got and Aunty Eve that lived in Africa a long time ago, she had a facial hair problem and walked with a stoop.
I most definitely ain't from London :moon
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Yorkshireman! (with alittle bit of Lancs and Spain in there as well, but I try to keep the Lancs bit quiet!)
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If you are born in England/Scotland/Wales are you English/Scottish/Welsh or British?
British by birth, English by the Grace of God ;)
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You have a cruel God then
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This was one of the questions in the census last year, what do you consider yourself to be, English, British, Welsh, Scottish, etc. I suspect the Welsh and Scottish would consider themselves as Welsh and Scottish but it won't be as simple for the Engilsh. I refer to myself as English but if I am asked my nationality, I'll say British as I hold a British passport.
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I'm from Birmingham :) and very proud of it.
However .. I've never really been quite sure what nationality that is .. but at least it's North of Watford :lol
Oh Well.
Polar Bear (Spain)
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I'm English - and proud of it. I was born in England of an English father and a Scottish mother.
So hang on, perhaps I'm half English, half Scottish.
My English father's parents were both English; but my Scottish mother's parents were both Irish.
So perhaps I'm half English, half Irish.
My wife is English.
She was born in England of Scottish parents.
So perhaps she's Scottish.
Our children are English. They were born in England of English parents; but their Grandparents were one English, three Scottish.
So perhaps they're quarter English, three quarters Scottish.
But their great-grandparents were four Scottish, two English and two Irish.
So perhaps my children are half Scottish, quarter English, quarter Irish.
My father was schooled in Wales at a Welsh language school from the age of 5 to 14; but we have no Welsh blood in the family.
I've changed my mind. I'm British - and proud of it.
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English all the way.
I don't agree with the idea that being pro-something (i.e my nationality) is in any way racist or bigoted towards anyone else, them's weasel words from Politicians and think tank manipulators of the New World Order.
Although I do have some issues with my missus constantly calling me a Northerner when I've never even lived there (both my parents were from Hull)
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I was born in Northern Ireland, my father was born in Glasgow, I'm living in Kent...
Makes it great when the rugby's on! Lots of choices.
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:rollin
Another astonishing performance for the Scots and I think we have nearly enough wooden spoons to start rebuilding the wall out of them
:lol
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How many people actually know the difference between Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, the United Kingdom and England.
For example the internationally recognised country our passports are from is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". But the nationality printed inside is "British" (unless you have chosen your sub-tribe). It is a complex mix of history and vested interests that is interesting, but the hatred that some people foist upon their fairly arbitrary tagging seems a it extreme!
For my part I'm English and a citizen of the UK. I'm in the habit of saying I am British when asked, but don't get worried when foreigners think that English is the normal term for people from the UK. I'm against devolution - primarily because it just seems to be an excise in getting more civil servants jobs. I do think the mess of the English not having a parliament whilst every other country in the UK does need sorting out. I like the idea that Wales is keeping the language alive but don't think it should be revived above the common language (not just of our country but the world). Cornwall spending money on dual language roadsigns seems a bit pretentious to me, especially for one of the poorest counties in the country. Couldn't the money be spent on better things?
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British and a Lancastrian
I joined the military at 17 so all my mates hailed from all over the UK so always felt part of a greater union
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I'm Scottish. I object to be called British. Scotland is currently part of the UK.
I'm against devolution - primarily because it just seems to be an excise in getting more civil servants jobs.
Devolution has been good for Scotland. We've always had our own education and legal system. Devolution means that we are now responsible for a whole host of areas that effect the daily running of our country. eg, Health, local government, social work, housing, planning, transport, police and fire services, the environment, agriculture, forestry, fishing, sport etc etc.
This is definitely softening the blow of having a Tory government at Westminster. Our roads and hospitals ain't gonna be privatised for example. No prescription charges, free eye tests etc.
But what Scotland needs to do is move on. We can't raise taxes, we can't run our economy, we have no say on foreign policy. We have a government in Westminster that hardly anybody voted for up here. We've got more Pandas in the zoo than Tory MPs.
I'm hoping for and will be voting for full Independence. Scotland and England are now politically on different paths, we don't fit together any more.
Whether we do become Independent by 2015 remains to be seen. That the Scottish Parliament will become more powerful goes without saying, that's inevitable. We may become economically independent but still part of the UK, I think that's silly, but I'll still take it over Tories running our economy.
So my nationalism is political, it's not about rose tinted specs and jumping up in down wearing a stupid kilt, it's about where we are going as a nation, taking responsibility and having accountability.
As for nationality. It's probably the culture in which you grew up in. Or for some, it's not where you come from, it's where you are going. In that respect I'm optimistic that lots of English people in Scotland will also vote for Independence.
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If people ask me I say I'm English, but I don't mind being called British.
I don't think Scottish people should duck being called British, especially since their country benefitted so much from the riches of the empire of the same name.
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And Scotland is part of Great Britain, whether you like it or not.
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What's so Great about it?
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These days Trev, not so much :\
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to me ya can have scotland (as long as you dont want our british tax money :lol ) cant stand the place,
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Made in Wales
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If we ever sell this dump and get to actually move to Wales, I'll be voting for independance as long as Wales get's it's share of North Sea Gas :P
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Wales's North sea coast will be awash with gas rigs..
And those who think the uk supports Scotland ...can't count or believe the eyewash from the ConDems. Labour terrified as they would never get back in if their Scottish vote walked aint much better. Scotland has about 5.1 million population - England and Wales who have enjoyed Scottish oil propping up thier spendthrift councils...54million...do the sums people...England and Wales would be gubbed without Scotland and its about time you realised it. What Scottish Banks couldn't achieve in ruining your economy...Scottish independence absolutely would.
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to me ya can have scotland (as long as you dont want our british tax money :lol ) cant stand the place,
:moon :finger :nana :2fingers :2guns :grumble :fish (when words fail )
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Aurelio Russell Cano and proud to be Scottish ( Spanish roots only come in when it comes to International football )
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- England and Wales who have enjoyed Scottish oil propping up thier spendthrift councils...54million...do the sums people...England and Wales would be gubbed without Scotland
As I inferred in an earlier post, modern Scotland was founded on empire money. If the English hadn't allowed you Scots unfettered indulgence in the fruits of that domain you woukdn't be half the nation you are. I think the North Sea Oil is a fair return for that bountiful privilege.
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And if the impoverished Scots hadn't spent a large part of their time 'going over the top' and being mowed down in order to create your British Empire then there wouldn't have been one...much the same as the tobacco barons were Scots, The Chinese Markets and Hong Kong opened up by the Scots, Australia and New Zealand colonised by Scots (along with English Crims), Television, Steam power, metallised roads, The pneumatic tyre...The ships that allowed the 'British Navy' to rule the seas for years...let's say as a minority partner Scotland has punched way above it's weight for years. Oil revenue invested in Scotland will see England buying water and Hydro power from Scotland long after the oil has gone....because you dont like building nuclear power staions in your own backyard..then again maybe the welsh would like some...I am sure any nation who has been lucky enough to receive nuclear waste from BNFL will be happy to repatriate it to its point of origin.
I am not sure that Scotland has much to thank the UK for...our forebears being chased of their crofts to allow English or Anglicised gentry to run sheep for the Northern English Mills....Once upon a time Glasgow was the workshop of the world...not now...failure to commit to the cause has seen car manufacture, aluminium smelting, paper milling, mining, steel manufacture and heavy industry go down the toilet. As an inconvenient 5.1 million out there in the hinterlands until it suits political ends...maybe the double standard chickens are coming home to roost.
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And if the impoverished Scots hadn't spent a large part of their time 'going over the top' and being mowed down in order to create your British Empire
Ha Ha, don't pretend that the Scots weren't in it for the profit and greed as much as the nasty old English were.
Impoverished my arse.
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to me ya can have scotland (as long as you dont want our british tax money ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/file:///C:/Users/GARETH%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/url])) cant stand the place,
Oh dear I feared this might happen as soon as I mentioned Scottish Independence. Why is it that English people go in such a huff when a Scotsman states his desire to run his own affairs.
As for having Scotland, it's not up to you ddtwelve, it's up to the people of Scotland to decide.
And help ma boab I find myself agreeing with Big Mac! Good posts Mr Mac.
If the English hadn't allowed you Scots unfettered indulgence in the fruits of that domain you woukdn't be half the nation you are. I think the North Sea Oil is a fair return for that bountiful privilege.
Now lets not forget that the Scottish people were never asked if they wanted to be part of 'Great Britain' We were sold out for a few pieces of silver by a parcel of rouges. It is only right that the people of Scotland are being asked for the first time in the history of the UK if they actually want to be part of the UK.
Scotland's biggest problem is of course is self confidence. We are our own worst enemy, and England has done a impressive job of exploiting us. Scots don't tend to believe in themselves and for far too long have listened and believed England's lies. Without Scotland there would have been no British Empire, or at least it would have been a very much smaller affair, neither of which would have been a bad thing. The British Empire? Good riddance!
Scotland as a country needs to look back at her achievements and realise, that having practicably created the modern industrial world, that we are more than capable of running our own affairs (oil or no oil) and hopefully creating a much more equalitarian society than we currently have, and perhaps help change the direction of the corrupt neoliberal capitalism currently sweeping the globe.
Meanwhile both the Government and Labour party have shat their pants at the thought of us subsidy and welfare junkie Scots leaving the union. Strange eh? I wonder why!
I think the North Sea Oil is a fair return for that bountiful privilege.
Yes indeed, it is our oil.
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Phil Raises a valid point...yes there were greedy Scots 'Landowners' also involved in the Highland clearances and greedy Scots 'Industrialists' also. However their interests were in doing business with and for the English. An England intent on looking after Scottish interests would not be needing a 'Hammer of the Scots' or dodgy Dutch imports either. Scarily I am near to agreeing with VNA that this is a question of democracy and self determination. I have no vested interest (I live in England) however I think it only right that if Scotland wishes Independence that it should be put to the vote and English scaremongering aside the people of Scotland should decide. I am fascinated why people get so steamed up about it...particularly the English...do you think England 'Owns' Scotland or something or shit scared that in one's heart of hearts one realises that a UK without Scotland is a much poorer one south of the border?
If as we are led to believe Scotland is the scurvy knave of the Union which costs English tax payers dear....get rid of it ....see how much better off you are.
And in the final summation were it not for the Panama canal and Scots punching well above their weight there....There wouldn't have been a Union.
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do you think England 'Owns' Scotland or something or shit scared that in one's heart of hearts one realises that a UK without Scotland is a much poorer one south of the border?
In a word ...No. I think Scotland enriches Britain massively. I'll be sorry to see you all leave.
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No Probs Phil we will simply start www.foc-u.co.scot (http://www.foc-u.co.scot)
:pokefun
We will give all the old bollix - but in Doric!
And as for life as usual, little will change...I don't think they will close the borders anytime soon ASDA still needs to ship those pies and Lidl garden implements never to be used as that would involve excercise and a mid June thaw
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No Probs Phil we will simply start [url=http://www.foc-u.co.scot]www.foc-u.co.scot[/url] ([url]http://www.foc-u.co.scot/[/url])
:pokefun
We will give all the old bollix - but in Doric!
And as for life as usual, little will change...I don't think they will close the borders anytime soon ASDA still needs to ship those pies and Lidl garden implements never to be used as that would involve excercise and a mid June thaw
Sadly and ironically, I think you'll eventually become part of federal europe. When you've had enough of being bullied by Brussells and find you miss being bullied by us instead, you'll be back.
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Nah we may become part of Europe but they can keep their Euro...we might let the English use our poond though even although for years the uninitiated have claimed 'It's not leegil tendah moite' as you will all know the English Banknote is now a promisory note excatly the same as a Scottish one. So we willnae be having any of yur monopoly munny up here......
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In a word ...No. I think Scotland enriches Britain massively. I'll be sorry to see you all leave.
Time for a foc-u group hug?
We have to wait and see what happens. The likely date for the referendum is some time autumn 2014. A lot can happen in that time. And of course we need to know how David Cameron and chums see devolution evolving if Scotland decides to stay in the union. And vague promises and suggestions won't do.
And again I agree with Big Mac, not a lot will change. If we go Independent we'll all wake up and wonder what the fuss was about. However in the longer term we'll both start to see changes and real noticeable differences.
Here's a thought, if a Tory government increases the possibility of an Independent Scotland, then at the same time, a Tory government may make it so much more difficult for Scotland, if and when, she chooses to go. We already seen a lot of nasty childishness from English Tories.
But if we can have an amicable separation, and if, and that is if, Scotland makes a success of it, then I have a feeling that will have a beneficial political and economic knock on effect for England. If we make a hash of it (and nasty scum bag Tories could play their role here) it's gonna hit the former UK as a whole.
Nah we may become part of Europe but they can keep their Euro...
Being part of Europe is inevitable. The pound is preferable today, but it might be the Euro tomorrow. Europe has a lot of lessons to learn. And if Europe is going to continue it's neoliberal capitalist love affair, then Scottish economic experts and politicians better make sure their rose tinted specs have been well and truly binned, as Scotland will have to fight for concession after concession and in completely the opposite direction from which England is doing so.
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What gets me is the practicality of separation (if that is the outcome). Although Scotland has quite a lot of independence today (e.g. Legal systems, a lot of government), there are things that are not separate that will be costly, and largely ineffective to separate that will leave a messy situation.
Examples are:
Border control is the obvious one - with different Governments it will become an issue.
Armed forces,
air traffic control,
utilities and infrastructure (national rail? The separation committee would draw lots to see who gets encumbered!),
Sea boundaries,
international territory boundaries,
all the organisations across the world that will need to change their systems to recognise a new country.
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Border control...we have a welcome to Scotland sign...our welfare state will put up another sign which says 'I wouldn't bother' in a number of non English languages.
No need for armed forces we will emulate the national guard / gendarmerie. If someone invades us for our Irn Bru we will set big Maggie from Easterhoose on them.
Air traffic control...'Money in' - 'Mugs out' simples...
Rail is largely privatised...Eurostar will simply run all the way up and we will likely pay England rent.
Scotland is already pretty much 'power independent' and grid useage tends to be propped up by France overnight...hey we can run an extension lead over to Norway
Sea Boundaries..if its got oil under ours....if its got jobbies and three eyed fish under....yours
International territory boundaries remain..we just join the dots on the route of Hadrians wall
International organisations...dunno we would be too interested... NATO is an anagram of NO TA ...nah we would likely want to keep heads low and cash registers ringing...
:pokefun
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Don't want to be inflammatory here but how many other countries do you think will want to trade with an independent Scotland that only has self interests at heart and won't help with international peace keeping?
As for Scottish independence, if the Scots want it then give it to them. The UK has said the Falklands have the right to self determination, why not Scotland?
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Most of them....the object is trade and profit...they superpowers dont give a monkeys who the money belongs too so long as they get some...My view on international peace...don't interupt....there's plenty whop want to be the World's Policeman and Scotland with a population of 5.1 million has a smaller population than Singapore whereas England Wales and NI have about the same as Italy!
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Examples are:
Border control is the obvious one - with different Governments it will become an issue.
Armed forces,
air traffic control,
utilities and infrastructure (national rail? The separation committee would draw lots to see who gets encumbered!),
Sea boundaries,
international territory boundaries,
all the organisations across the world that will need to change their systems to recognise a new country.
There's some detail to work out, but there's no real big issues there. It's the same right across Europe.
Don't want to be inflammatory here but how many other countries do you think will want to trade with an independent Scotland that only has self interests at heart and won't help with international peace keeping?
By International Peace Keeping, do you mean Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya? Such opportunistic , unrealistic and immoral imperialist intervention projects are not things I could see Scotland being involved with in in the future. Help with UN peace keeping duties, I'm sure we would. And I'd imagine most of the world will be more than happy to to business with Scotland. They might not be so keen to do business with us in the future if they see us hesitate and lack self confidence come autumn 2014. Many countries round the globe are expecting Scottish Independence. They won't understand if we don't grasp that opportunity.
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Fair do's. I honestly think it will take 15-20 years to become completely independent in which time concessions will likely be made to simplify the process. I've heard the reason the EU dictates so much in Britain is that ministers can't be bothered/have the time/money to legislate our own laws that the EU have similar laws for. Would be interesting to see if Scotland went down this route and just swapped UK for the EU.
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Border control...we have a welcome to Scotland sign...our welfare state will put up another sign which says 'I wouldn't bother' in a number of non English languages.
Scotland has a proud tradition of welcoming immigrants and treating them fairly. I don't see that changing. Westminster control of Scottish asylum issues was one of a number of issues that seriously damaged Jack McCronic and the last Labour administration in Scotland.
Scotland is already pretty much 'power independent' and grid useage tends to be propped up by France overnight...hey we can run an extension lead over to Norway
Scotland is energy rich, not just in minerals but has a massive and growing electrical over capacity. England is short of generation, it's an export market for us.
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Scotland is energy rich, not just in minerals but has a massive and growing electrical over capacity. England is short of generation, it's an export market for us.
Would you take free BBC programming in exchange? :lol
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As an Englishman living in Scotland I really couldn't give a toss which way Scotland goes.
Overlords and vested interests are the same everywhere, and borders and proud claims of nationality are sooo 19th century.
Just wonder what would have happened if Scotland was independent when Alex was banging on a few years back, how England was holding Scotland back, and he wanted to follow the Celtic tiger economies of Ireland and Iceland.
If Scotland does split, I Definitely think they need to sort their own currency out.
Don't want Scotland becoming to the pound, what Greece is to the Euro.
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Would you take free BBC programming in exchange? (http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif)
Umm let me think about that..................err...................No. :rolleyes
As an Englishman living in Scotland I really couldn't give a toss which way Scotland goes.
But you have a say. You are part of 'the people of Scotland'.
If Scotland does split, I Definitely think they need to sort their own currency out.
I'm no expert on currency, but I can't help but think that using an established currency makes the transition to Independence easy. And lets face it if we end of with some form of 'devo max' or fiscal autonomy within the UK then the pound it will be. So does it really make that much difference if it's the pound for independence?
Don't want Scotland becoming to the pound, what Greece is to the Euro.
I think it's more likely to be the opposite problem. Nor does it look that we would have the issues that led Greece into a mess. If we had our own currency it could easily become to strong. Frankly - pound first choice - but Euro will do if England wants to be difficult. And frankly I think it's probably desirable for England to have Scotland in the pound.
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But you have a say. You are part of 'the people of Scotland'.
I haven't had a vote for about 8 years ;)
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the question should be....just what will the miltant scots moan aboot when they do get independance.? :rolleyes
tbh to my mind your constant diatribe remind me of woolfy in citizen smith....make a life out of protesting ...what would yer life be like if ye had noothing ta moan aboot ! :eek
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I should imagine we would moan about the speed of service from our truculent neighbours.
VNA has picked up on my point re immigration which while light hearted does make the point that I don't think a Scottish Welfare state would be as open for abuse as the current UK one (and that includes Scottish Nationals) There are many Eastern Europeans settled happily in Scotland and paying their way. I am not so sure we would be as supportive of policies which allow 4 unemployed generations of a family to exist on the back of the state, this as much as anything is to do with the latent Scottish work ethic I guess.
It occurs to me that a Scotland able to invest its own wealth in itself would almost inevitably start to invest in England and England in turn would be hungry for that investment...consequently this becomes an issue of balance of power and how ridiculously skewed it is at the moment.
There was mention of 'an English Parliament'...once the Scots leave you may find other parties follow suit leaving an English Parliament behind. Maybe then that English Parliament would concentrate on looking after the English....it's a crazy idea..but it may work
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There was mention of 'an English Parliament'...once the Scots leave you may find other parties follow suit leaving an English Parliament behind. Maybe then that English Parliament would concentrate on looking after the English....it's a crazy idea..but it may work
I think this is the main problem, British governance is seen as English oppression. Being as it is there's no way people who spend most of their time in London can understand the needs of people north of the Watford gap, let alone another country, and it's safe to say lots of people lose out under the current arrangements due. The current order of importance seems to be London>Europe>Everybody else in the UK.
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the question should be....just what will the miltant scots moan aboot when they do get independance.? ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/url])
tbh to my mind your constant diatribe remind me of woolfy in citizen smith....make a life out of protesting ...what would yer life be like if ye had noothing ta moan aboot ! ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/shocked.gif[/url])
Miltant scots, diatribe, woolfy?
Nevermind. But yes, isn't it about time that Scots grew up, stopped blaming the English for our woes and actually did something about it?
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Scottish Welfare state would be as open for abuse as the current UK one
I don't think welfare is an issue. It's a side issue.
It's not welfare claimants that are crippling the UK, it's greedy bankers, the bonus culture, tax evasion etc.
Welfare always needs careful management, but you deal with the pennies once you have the pounds sorted out. In the UK we have a government in power who don't want to tackle the big issues.
The Tories are prepared to put our economy on hold, stifle economic recovery, get us fighting amongst ourselves, so they can keep their hands, and their buddies hands on their big fat untaxed stacks of cash.
17 years of Tory rule led to devolution. Scotland needs to wake up quick, lets not wait for another 10-15 years, or more, of Tory rule to realise finally that we have little politically in common with England and that once again we've been focced over by a government we never wanted.. We gotta get out now.
Oh, will Osborne cut the 50p rate?
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Lets see and rough figures as I don't know the current rates exactly. A £180 per week person now wont pay tax? 52 x £180 = £9360 less already tax free is it still 567? so - £5,670 leaving £3,690 taxable at 22%? That is a whole £811.80 the country loses.
A person on £300,000 and ignoring their numerous fiddles which there will likely be many same £5670 then up to £38k @ 22% £38k to £150k @ 40% then 150+ @ 50% That persons tax burden if the proposed 45% is correct would drop by £7,500 although a big sum...not enough to be leaving the country over when you are left with a pre-fiddle salary of £179,340
Many of us are in the 40% bracket for part of our salaries, a straight 40% of that £300,000 would reduce it to £180,000.00....smoke and mirrors ...the rich get richer, the country gets poorer....theres a sop to the very few people who are such low earners as a popularist move.
The Con Dems fooling no-one
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George Osborne "NORTH SEA OIL FIELD ALLOWANCE
"We are also introducing new allowances including a 3 billion pounds new field allowance for large and deep fields to open up West of Shetland, the last area of the basin left to be developed. A huge boost for investment in the North Sea"
You're all right George it's not yours to flog
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You're all right George it's not yours to flog
Nor is the Argentin..er I mean Falklands oil.
But we're having it anyway :b
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I think you will find there are eager beavers currently writing very clever 'licences' for mineral extraction which would be 'tendered and sold' just before independence became reality.
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Don't forget Mr Mac, as if you need me to tell you, that the 45% tax bracket is only a stepping stone to 40%.
Not sure what is happening with the 40% tax bracket, but it was lowered the other year catching more than ever.
The rise in personal allowance to 9205 is welcome, but realistically just means a drop in benefit payments for most.
The real issue at the lower end of the earnings scale is that too many big wealthy companies take the minimum wage as a standard or living wage. It was never supposed to be that. So that leaves those on better to mid earnings forking out benefits for those on minimum or near minimum wages. So this means tax payer subsides the biggest richest companies in the land, and their rich shareholders.
But of course we are all in it together.
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But 300,000 more people will be drawn into the higher rate - 40% - tax band from 2013/14 as the threshold is reduced from £42,475 to £41,450.
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For those 'celebrating' paying £339 less income tax this year....using VNAs figs a difference of £1,025.00 which taxed at 40% = £410 ...welcome to the world of ConDem slipperiness
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And that's the second time they have lowered the 40% rate.
Of course those who got us into this mess get away Scot free.
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I loved Trainspotting, though,,,,, :lol
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So I make it that a bank boss, on say a million a year (not including bonuses) is now 42,500 quid a year better off.
And according to Osborne, if he didn't the big bosses their big tax cut they would up sticks and move abroad. 1. Aye right and 2. Who cares.
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45% of something is better than 100% of nothing
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50% of something reduces the national debt and if they don't like it they can foc off because someone else will be happy of their stratospheric salary. All the spool about 'Attracting the talent' ...the senior managers often do SFA other than make sure middle managers keep them out of the sh1t. the middle managers put up with this hoping one day they will be senior managers....Banking made simple..
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All the spool about 'Attracting the talent' ...the senior managers often do SFA other than make sure middle managers keep them out of the sh1t.
And it was exactly the same shit we used to hear about the people - the talent - that bankrupted us.
Oh why oh why do people put up with this!
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What choice do we have apart from tyring to drag ourselves up the greasy pole?
As for tax laws, I haven't and probably won't ever see propper figures to make my own mind up so can only listen to the lies politicians (on both sides) spread. Unfortunately the people who earn enough to pay the larger proportion of taxes can also afford accountants to get them off paying.