Fazer Owners Club - Unofficial
General => General => Topic started by: Graham53 on 19 February 2017, 11:45:45 pm
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Took myself to Excel today , much fun had until I reach the Yamaha stand and there I spy the new R1 , now I've never really desired a superbike but I like the new R1 or did until I tried to try it for size and 10 seconds later my hips and knees cried enough :'( and I realised I'm old and arthritic and it's only downhill from here
That said though I did manage to slip my old fat arse onto the MT 10 admittedly kitted out with the £250 comfort seat extra and decided I want one.
Maybe being old and arthritic isn't as bad as I first thought especially if could get my hands on an MT10SP
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I gave up on sports bikes on the road years ago and I'm still nowhere near arthritic or old! Sports bikes are brilliant on track and I have a 2006 CBR600RR for track duties, but my road bike has been a 2001 ZRX1200R since 2002 and I love it. So comfortable.
MT10 a bit fuggly for my liking, but very capable bike. Go for it I say! :evil
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Fuggly ??? WTF is fuggly :lol
I was however also tempted by the new Triumph 765 Striple , can't believe for the first time ever I said that I like a Triumph
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Doesn't really matter what bike you sit on or ride, if it's different to what you're used to then different muscles come into play for a few months which can cause leg cramps, aches & pains, etc, for a few months if you're not generally physically fit.
Thing that put me off the sports bike riding position was the restriction of head movement once you look up ahead of you. The crash helmet would just sit on the collar of my jacket making it very difficult to look around properly, which is even more undesirable when it's pissing down with rain.
Add to that the extra strain on the wrists and i found myself looking for something in a more upright position.
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I haven't been able to ride sports bikes since 1991, when I smashed myself up good and proper riding the last one that I owned; an FZR1000 EXUP. Smashed my shoulder and elbow really badly, and I haven't been able to comfortably reach for sports bike bars since, so I missed out on R1s, Blades etc. But I don't really miss them, as upright style bikes have improved so much in the intervening years. It also seems to me that sports bikes have become too focussed for Britain's potholed roads, so I wouldn't be interested in going back to them again now anyway.
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Graham
FUGGLY = foccin ugly
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Never had one but I have ridden one and did not like it suspension was rock hard - great for a track but not on our roads, I felt that the bike was trying to bounce me off
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Never had one but I have ridden one and did not like it suspension was rock hard - great for a track but not on our roads, I felt that the bike was trying to bounce me off
:agree and the fact that you have to crane your neck up to see the lights change, weight on wrists etc. As said. uprights are way more practical and there are lots of blokes on here who've destroyed Plastic Fantastics on Fazers around twisties.
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When I first started riding properly I was always into Sports bikes, I absolutly loved them and found them so much easier and more comfortable to ride, but it can all depend on the bike as my FZR600 just felt so nice and I had no problems with viewing my surroundings but when I had a blast on my mates GSXR600 it just felt horrible (on the road but I'm sure on a track it's different).
Having said all that, since giving uprighters a proper go I can't say I will be going back to a sports bike, plus since having metal pins in my shoulder I can't ride a sports bike for long any way.
I'm looking at getting an MT-10 for my next bike either that or a Fazer Thousand, leaning more towards the MT-10 as I love the FUGGLY Decepticon look but I'm a bit put off with all the electronics.
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Graham
FUGGLY = foccin ugly
Yup , laid in bed last night and it came to me :rolleyes it appears it's not just my bones are worn out the mind is going too :lol
The MT10 that was at the show had a touring screen on and it didn't have that fuggly look about it , unlike the new Striple 765 which from looks a great bike apart from that afterthought of a headlight/ fairing thingy , I agree the MT has similar but it's not as bad as the trumpet
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Agree with all the above, but sportsbikes are awesome :rollin
Im 47 and rapidly going downhill, but there is something about having a sportsbike under you with firm suspension kicking over poor roadsurfaces, and then rewarding you when you pin it and get 'on it' feeling exactly what the front and rear tyre are doing.
I went from a gen1 fazer thou, to a R6, to a GSXR1000, to the pinnacle for me (although not the fastest), a Ducati 899 Panigale.
Just dont mention the valve clearance costs :o .
Bikes rock :)
RBW.
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I'm still in love with sport bikes, I do find comfort varies between brands. I tend to find kawak zx-- very cramped but gsxrs very comfy.
My fz1 is the first upright bike I've had and it took some getting used to but I do enjoy it. I bought it over a fireblade (I'm still not 100% sure I chose correctly) down to the fact it was more comfortable with the high bars etc for everyday riding.
The only thing I do find is that an upright bike is not as fun to ride faster as a tucked in bike. There's just something about being laid on the top of the tank that makes you feel like your flying (inner child lol)
Being upright just improves your grip, arm and neck strength haha
There also seems to be a certain stigma with riding a crotch rocket. You can almost feel people staring at you and just thinking 'dickhead'.
People seem to assume that just because your on a sportbike that your an idiot that speeds everywhere and has to overtake everything. Where as on my naked bike I've found people are more willing to move over etc and I don't seem to get as many shitty looks (even though I still ride like a dick and overtake everything 😆)
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I was at the Excel on Sunday too. Found myself hovering around the Yamaha stand staring at the MT10's and wishing I was at home getting ready to go out on mine.
Riding an MT 10 will take you to a whole new level of riding like a dick.............Apparently :D
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To be honest I think the manufacturers are missing a trick in not making an comfortable R1 esque bike that's more upright than sportsbike as well as the R1 sportsbike , I'm sure there are lots of bikers around the globe who've reached a certain point in their life (me) where their arthritic hips /back / wrists just won't allow that foetal riding position for more than 20 seconds, who may have the capital/ means to buy an R1 or similar but feel like we are now past it and second best and have to accept a bike with a "detuned " for increased torque motor. What if I don't want that , what if I want the sphincter clenching ripsnorting full fat version of that motor, it's depressing I think it's ageist and wrong :'( my human rights have been violated Yamaha ,it's time to stop making me feel old and give me an R1 upright and while you're at it bring back 2 strokes. :)
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my human rights have been violated Yamaha ,it's time to stop making me feel old and give me an R1 upright and while you're at it bring back 2 strokes. :)
Er, I think that's what you have in the MT-10! ;)
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my human rights have been violated Yamaha ,it's time to stop making me feel old and give me an R1 upright and while you're at it bring back 2 strokes. :)
Er, I think that's what you have in the MT-10! ;)
Yes the MT-10 is basically an upright R1 but it's 'detuned'
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my human rights have been violated Yamaha ,it's time to stop making me feel old and give me an R1 upright and while you're at it bring back 2 strokes. :)
Er, I think that's what you have in the MT-10! ;)
Yes the MT-10 is basically an upright R1 but it's 'detuned'
Yeah and it produces a lot less power (about 140 rwbhp)
You've got to think that it's basically a modern fazer1000.
Just like when our bikes came out they were touted as naked R1s but we all know that if you actually raced an R1 (stock vs stock) it would demolish you in speed and power terms anyway.
I agree with what Graham says, why can't they either stick straight bars on a superbike or stick the proper engine in an upright chassis without 'detuning' it? I don't understand why they think it's fine as it is with clip ons but the moment you sit up yoy automatically want more torque and less power? If I wanted that I'd buy a twin haha
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Yes the MT-10 is basically an upright R1 but it's 'detuned'
I know, however from the tests it appears to be less detuned than most and very close in performance to the Tuono, which is the least castrated of the nakeds.
Try one, I'm sure you won't find it lacking.
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Yes the MT-10 is basically an upright R1 but it's 'detuned'
I know, however from the tests it appears to be less detuned than most and very close in performance to the Tuono, which is the least castrated of the nakeds.
Try one, I'm sure you won't find it lacking.
I would try one, but I know that I will have to buy it there and then and I don't have the funds to do that :lol yet! :lol
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Yamaha are doing the MT 10 in an SP version why not do that with the full beans R1 engine ?? It looks like Triumph are getting the idea with the new 765 striple 3 versions of the same bike with 3 states of engine tune with the full fat version RS putting out 128bhp and ohlins suspension and brembo brakes, it's not cheap at 12.5K.
But I'm sure it'll sell even though it fugglier than the MT so come on Yamaha get the idea and do the same with the MT 10, I might be advancing in years and my bones as strong and as porous as Andrex bog roll but there is still a young man in there somewhere begging to be unleashed next time an R1/GSXR/ZX/etc pulls alongside me who would love to show the cocky sod riding it ( not all R1 owners are BTW just the odd few ) that just because I'm riding a Fazer/MT/ whatever that I'm not past it and had to settle for second best, trouble is as it stands to my knowledge there isn't a standard bike that will do that
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Yamaha are doing the MT 10 in an SP version why not do that with the full beans R1 engine ?? It looks like Triumph are getting the idea with the new 765 striple 3 versions of the same bike with 3 states of engine tune with the full fat version RS putting out 128bhp and ohlins suspension and brembo brakes, it's not cheap at 12.5K.
But then the new Triple is not a detuned Daytona, it's a model in it's own right. Or is it? ;)
What's the betting a Daytona 765 is on the cards?
You could always do what I did and build your own full fat naked. Behold my Daytona Street:
(http://www.rubyracing.com/DaytonaStreet675.jpg)
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I would love to build one , however I lack workshop , probable large sums of ££ but most of all the mechanical knowledge/talent/confidence in my own abilities not to foc it up and it fall apart at warp speed :rolleyes
However I'm impressed at yours and prefer it to the RS looks wise due to its fuggly afterthought of a headlight/ fairing thingy...... behold £12500 128bhp trumpet that I think is a new bike but the Daytona will be exactly the same but with fairing and clip ons , which begs the question if sales are better than the Daytona how long before there's a sit up Version of all sports bikes which after all is where this thread started.
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However I'm impressed at yours and prefer it to the RS looks wise
Thank you. :D
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Makes you wonder how large the "sports" bike sector is nowadays. So many of us have become older(or prone to the afflictions of ageing), many migrated to the "adventure" experience in the years following Charlie & Ewans much publicised trips. The younger element in motorcycling is much smaller than a few years ago & there is a distinct "fashion" aspect to such as the "yard built" creations-Im not knocking it but as a community we are getting older & there are many obstacles for new riders to overcome on their way to a full licence-many simply dont bother.
Sat in a bikers cafe on Saturday morning I was looking at some "old fella"(possibly younger than me!) as he struggled to dismount & then later mount his Fireblade-frankly he looked very uncomfortable.
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Makes you wonder how large the "sports" bike sector is nowadays.
It's going down hill, but more nakeds are selling.
The 600 sports bikes sales have dropped through the floor. Honda have stopped selling the CBR600RR in Europe as it's not Euro 4 compliant and I'm pretty sure Kawasaki has stopped selling the ZX-6R too. Not sure about the Suzuki. Only Yamaha brought out a new R6 last year. Although there was a report in one of the mags that a couple of years ago Yamaha had sold a couple of thousand R6's in a year, but in 2016 it was in the low hundreds.
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The only "Sports bikes" that seem to be selling are the lower CC ie CBR125, R-125, Ninja 300 and R3 as they are being bought by the younger generation as a cool 8) looking bike to impress their mates or attract a shagg interest :sex because they either only have a CBT or restricted licence, then they either go and buy a car or if they do continue and get a full bike licence they get a proper bike they can't afford the full on Sports bike like the R1.
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The only "Sports bikes" that seem to be selling are the lower CC ie CBR125, R-125, Ninja 300 and R3 as they are being bought by the younger generation as a cool 8) looking bike to impress their mates or attract a shagg interest :sex because they either only have a CBT or restricted licence, then they either go and buy a car or if they do continue and get a full bike licence they get a proper bike they can't afford the full on Sports bike like the R1.
I suppose in many ways it's becoming like the car industry, the young and inexperienced are being forced onto slower more sensible machines. After all you wouldn't pass your car test then buy a Ferrari
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The only "Sports bikes" that seem to be selling are the lower CC ie CBR125, R-125, Ninja 300 and R3 as they are being bought by the younger generation as a cool 8) looking bike to impress their mates or attract a shagg interest :sex because they either only have a CBT or restricted licence, then they either go and buy a car or if they do continue and get a full bike licence they get a proper bike they can't afford the full on Sports bike like the R1.
Has anyone noticed that there are WSS 300 series now running with WSB that clearly shows the popularity of the above mentioned ninja and R3
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i was thinking about getting my raleigh chopper out, thats my sports bike. :D
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I'm both old and arthritic, but what the Foc, just get on and do it.
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i was thinking about getting my raleigh chopper out, thats my sports bike. :D
FOC those things are lethal - I still have the scars to prove it, tiny front wheel - gravel on path - sharp corner. I am pretty sure that there is still some of the 70s gravel in my forearm
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Not to mention the possibility of the gear lever in the bollocks. :eek
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And then there's, across the MK2 seat
WARNING THIS BICYCLE IS NOT DESIGNED TO CARRY PASSENGERS
Like FOC it ain't
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MT10 looks interesting. But, it's thirsty and has a silly small tank. why?
Anyway not sure I want all that power anymore. I'd like something that looks good, is fun and relaxing to ride.
Love the look of Triumph's Street Twin, but where's the full power 1200 engine? Thruxton looks nice, but I don't want low bars.
Tempted by a R Nine T or R Nine T pure to be honest. They look fab, upright bars and 110bhp should be enougth for buzzing about.
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MT10 looks interesting. But, it's thirsty and has a silly small tank. why?
Anyway not sure I want all that power anymore. I'd like something that looks good, is fun and relaxing to ride.
Love the look of Triumph's Street Twin, but where's the full power 1200 engine? Thruxton looks nice, but I don't want low bars.
Tempted by a R Nine T or R Nine T pure to be honest. They look fab, upright bars and 110bhp should be enougth for buzzing about.
See that a lot with bigger bikes, they put a daft sized tank on them, i've never understood the reasoning behind it?
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MT10 looks interesting. But, it's thirsty and has a silly small tank. why?
Anyway not sure I want all that power anymore. I'd like something that looks good, is fun and relaxing to ride.
Love the look of Triumph's Street Twin, but where's the full power 1200 engine? Thruxton looks nice, but I don't want low bars.
Tempted by a R Nine T or R Nine T pure to be honest. They look fab, upright bars and 110bhp should be enougth for buzzing about.
I blagged a go on a mates r nine t last summer, couldn't believe how good it was. The looks don't do it for me but, but that engine was incredible, you'd never believe it was a flat twin. I've had four days off uni so jumped back on the trowel and got my corners up on the workshop along with some stonework on the back walls. I can't believe how knackered I am. Definitely getting too old to be a builder. Doing the 360 mile round trip to see the kids and grandkids in peterborough today and I was gonna give the zzr a run, but I'll stick with the fazer ..back is still killing me even after a good nights sleep
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Hey Ogri!,
Why not use profiles instead of racking up corners? it's so much easier.
When building up to DPC leave purps out 1.5 X 2 bricks out either side of corners, profiles up and your away.
we found them much better than racking corners, firstly your on the line straight away, much faster, plus when running the line in between the corners you only have to have a slight difference in the gauge, different batch of sand or cement even and you can see where the corner was racked up for ever.
That aside bloody nice looking workshop, I'm not green with envy :look
Would liked to have seen a picture of the stone work, that is what I used to love doing, random sand stone with strap pointing, it looks so bloody cool and classy, but expensive to do.
That would have been my ideal home, a cottage built in random sandstone, but I would have wanted to have built it myself.
I'm going past a stonework job today that I did, must be 38 years ago, I might stop and grab a photo.
A few hire company's hire out profiles sets around here,
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That's a great idea mate. Much like the two you can see leaning on the back wall?;-) I couldn't build without them in truth..I just ran up some big corners to get everything level and because I'm on me Todd so it's some big runs...and your right, it does show up if the mortar slightly off or bricks not mixed in but it's for me brother in law so I'm being proper careful with gauging and mixing the Ibstocks up. I love stonework too, there's loads of it here, the whole place is built on top of clear well caves and there's an old vertical mineshaft that the yanks filled up with munitions and stuff when ww2 ended. If your close to me I could do with another trowel next week on them long flanks...;-)
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I blagged a go on a mates r nine t last summer, couldn't believe how good it was. The looks don't do it for me but, but that engine was incredible, you'd never believe it was a flat twin. I've had four days off uni so jumped back on the trowel and got my corners up on the workshop along with some stonework on the back walls.
Workshop? Looks like you are building a foccing factory ogri
Have you seen the new Nine T Pure? Not yet seen either of them in the flesh, but I like the photos I’ve seen. Seat looks a bit small and thin. Wonder what’s it’s like on a long day oot. Will need to see if I can get a wee blast on one. Like the way the pared doon bikes show off that mad boxer engine.
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Just get a re map and ecu flash and you are up there or nearly with the MT10 A lad does re flash for the MT09 they have achieved 175mph on the dyno. So I suppose on the road with a rider what 160/165 mph.
How many actually use the top end anyway, just gear the bike accordingly for what you really want. Either top end or mid range.
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Well I admire the grip and upper body strength of those saying they want 200bhp naked bikes, I needed to put some money into maintaining my poor old SL Mercedes so I had to sell my Aprilia Tuono V4 which was only a paltry 167 bhp, the newer 1100 is 175 bhp. I'm only 5' 11" and with the stock, ie non existent, screen you needed to be like Arnie to hang on to the thing for any length of time at speed. An MRA screen made it much more usable at high speed and on trunk roads for any distance, not sure how it would have been with another 35 bhp pushing it along though. In real world everyday riding I never felt that I needed that extra power but each to their own as they say. :)
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Popped along to the Scottish Bike Show last weekend.
So looked at and sat on a few bikes as you do.
The MT10's still a mystery to me. When I first saw photos of it I thought what a foccing mess. But I’m kinda warming to it now – the transformer look is growing on me. But another thought is how the foc do you keep such a thing clean (ish).
Sitting on it – well it fits like a glove. Feels just right. But I dunno where my feet fall due to raised up show stands. But stats state same seat height as FZS1000.
Looked at the R1. Just managed to get on it – seriously it was an effort. Christ it’s uncomfortable even just to sit on. Did think the new fireblade was a bit more accommodating in that respect.
One bit of good news for central belt west coasters is that there is now a Yamaha dealer in Kilmarnock. They tell me they are hoping to get an MT10 demo on the go.
Disappointing BMW were not at the show.
And where were Altberg? The clubman boots I bought from them in 2000 are falling apart. So was hoping to get a new pair at the show.
Got a pair of KNOX jeans in the hope of some decent summer weather. Hopefully these jeans will be much better than the pretty rubbish RST ones I’ve already got.
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And where were Altberg? The clubman boots I bought from them in 2000 are falling apart. So was hoping to get a new pair at the show.
Got a pair of KNOX jeans in the hope of some decent summer weather. Hopefully these jeans will be much better than the pretty rubbish RST ones I’ve already got.
17 years for a pair of boots! I thought making my Sidis last 7 years was good going.
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My Sidi Couriers are just coming to their 12th birthday :lol
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A re-sole and some new velcro and they'd go for a good few more years.
But I figure after 17 years I'd be as well getting a new pair.
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A re-sole and some new velcro and they'd go for a good few more years.
But I figure after 17 years I'd be as well getting a new pair.
So they have lasted like Triggers broom from Only fool's and Horses :lol :lol :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUl6PooveJE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUl6PooveJE)